I Spectated a Bronze Kiriko Who ONLY HEALED in Overwatch 2

This Spectating Bronze was a little bit more educational than the others so I hope you enjoyed this longer video. Next up we spectated someone's legitimate first competitive game ever in Overwatch 2
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[@XNSever]

I mean, Kiriko is only holding one kunai, so clearly she was trying to save her one kunai for when it is really needed 👌

[@thomasschwietert2680]

Thats gold lol

[@legoman2274]

everything went downhill from the first spawn room fight...

[@trashyboiyeee9149]

@@thomasschwietert2680 No it's bronze.

[@Moshie107]

@@trashyboiyeee9149 Can't tell if you're trolling but if you ain't then this is gold

[@trashyboiyeee9149]

@@Moshie107 check the title of the video.

[@TheAstrobiologistOW]

One of the best pieces of advice I've ever heard for support players: "you can't heal stupid"

[@MasterGibz]

Good old Ron White

[@gmanz5]

Watching some nonesense happen”Yea I can’t heal that”

[@SophiaAstatine]

I say that a whole lot. But it's starting to evolve into something far more demeaning as my frustration grows.

[@Bioshyn]

The other one is, dead people can't hurt you.

[@miceatah9359]

tbf wdf is his hog supposed to do yes his positioning was complete shit game sense shit aim shit but like nobody else does dmg lol

[@ottolees7208]

Saddest part is that low elo dps/tank players will tell you that you should only heal. And then flame you if you dont. And you cant explain them than no amount of healing can make them better at the game. Support is probably the worst role to play in low elos, if you only heal you get called a heal bot, and if you dare to do damage they will say you are throwing and threaten to report you and will flame you for not heal botting.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

You can have the highest healing numbers in the game well balanced with decent damage numbers, and it'd somehow still be your fault because obviously all that damage done was you not healing them at a critical moment.* If the player in question hasn't latched onto the stats of the tank or one of the DPS instead to blame at any rate. *That, of course, being you not hopping onto their pocket and not keeping them alive indefinitely as they repeatedly try to face tank five people at once.

[@ultimateblaze23]

report for 'trolling' won't do anything anyway

[@ashwinbhat4267]

Just play zen and do dps. You'll get out of bronze pretty quickly.

[@Novenae_CCG]

​@@philtkaswahl2124 *Or such as when they would suffer basically an instakill, like a DVA bomb. 'Cause we all know that being healed also makes you take less damage. Somehow. I've seen more than one DPS complain about not getting heals when they got headshot from full health by a Widowmaker.

[@Htiy]

@@ashwinbhat4267 or bap to do it even faster

[@KidKudos]

Bad Kirikos treat Suzu like a health potion in an rpg. "I'm saving it for an emergency." *emergency happens* "I'm saving it for a BIGGER emergency!!!"

[@MyouKyuubi]

Well, in my case, i rarely if ever need it, so i tend to just sell my health potions... I use them so rarely, they just clog my inventory, so i sell them instead and just go "fck it, if i git gud, i wont ever NEED potions.". xD

[@takayasoul]

I'm on the other end of this I throw it too often and it's always on cooldown when I actually need it

[@WrektSK]

I feel like I've reached a decent balance of using my Suzu. At first I spammed it too much, especially to guarantee that my own self healing kicks in. Then for a short period I was doing it too little and I'd usually have myself or a teammate down with my Suzu available. After around 12 hours on Kiriko, I think I have a decent grasp of how to Suzu properly without overusing or underusing it.

[@arkadia3288]

I tend to forget it exists. Even though I just started playing the game like 2 weeks ago I see many mistakes in my own gameplay. Not completely make use of the kit on most characters. In the case with Kiriko I forget to cleanse my teammates often. But atleast I’m not a heal bot

[@Jawnin]

In my case I look what the enemy has and how they're playing and decide if I should save it for specific things. Like if their Cassidy player keeps sticking people I'll save it for those or if I think they have ults like DVA bomb or Reaper ult cuz for some reason my teams always get killed by even the obvious ones

[@whisperingcrown591]

The hardest part of playing flex support is when your team just has no self preservation instinct at all, so instead of properly contributing towards damage you end up having to do nothing but heal most of the time just to make sure you don't immediately become the only one alive

[@marsthedude1]

Kiriko isn't a flex support

[@whisperingcrown591]

@@marsthedude1 sorta is. She has insanely good single target healing options along with general utility, but her damage is insanely good if you can hit your kunai. She can play main healer, but her best utility is being a flex who deals damage and supports the team.

[@mordecaiissad8529]

Tbh this is why I tend to gravitate more to zen and Lucio, because you can do both fairly comfortably. Kiriko tho is very strong so it feels like I should play her more. But when you're stuck with feeders you're kinda not gonna get much done, especially if it's your tank, cause in my experience unless you have a super higher skill DPS you ain't gonna win that without a tank.

[@whisperingcrown591]

@@mordecaiissad8529 I've gotten way better since then with her as I've been no lifeing her and my opinion has changed somewhat. It's difficult when your team is ass, but there have now been several matches that with just a quick flank I've been able to assassinate their supports which let my team through the choke since they could just bully. Really just gotta be able to change your game plan on the fly whether you need to be with the team and heal/poke or when you need to finish off an opponent. And always always tell your team that you're leaving them for a second

[@sirthursday6159]

Copium. Every support has other abilities other than healing, there are always situations when you can do something else, being a heal bot is never the play. For example, if all you're teammates are full health, you should be doing something else. Another example, if youre bap or kiriko, you can throw two Kunais or shoot one burst in between each healing shot for no cost in HP/S at all

[@momomichael2262]

"they're called supports, not healers" nailed it Flats

[@Fluxeau]

ML7 was the one to make that statement and he puts it in his stream titles daily now lol. But its so true haha

[@omrizubary]

Your supporting the team by giving dmg buffs,invincibility (suzu and field), debuffs enemies while doing damage and healing. Healer is like just healing

[@Real_MisterSir]

Support players play to win Healers play to not lose bronze players need to learn the difference

[@The_Azure_]

I used to agree with that idea, but then Blizz removed support Symmetra... And removed/nerfed support CC.

[@dizzyheads]

People need to start calling them supports rather than healers especially in these games Heck there's a reason why they called snipers supports

[@XavierShade]

It's great when other players volunteer to get roasted and I just get good info.

[@defaultdan7923]

8 months late but so true. i know flats says often that he just flames and doesn’t say anything, but often times he sneaks in a lot of good info like that breakdown of the hog ult, explaining why flex is good, telling people that you just need to play more to aim better, etc.

[@cosmic-espeon6358]

@@defaultdan7923 I agree, without him I wouldn't even know about the setting that would allow you to stop throwing the healing cards.

[@MatheusVenti]

You can see that is a confidence issue, because when he sees that the game is lost, he stop playing too safe because it is done and easily solo the Pharah.

[@Real_MisterSir]

its the same type of players crying on forums that supports have it rough now, because they don't realize the actual strenghts of the characters they're playing because they're used to sitting comfortably far in the backline not having to worry about duels or being proactively seeking value like kills and poke dmg etc. Most of these players have never truly experienced what a support hero is capable of in the hands of someone playing to win, rather than playing to not lose

[@Jawnin]

@@Real_MisterSir I agree. Played comp yesterday, Nobody was dying and my team couldn't really push out of the door so I go through a different door, flank around (right side was completely clear) and proceed to kill both their supports and both their dps. My team then used the momentum to push up and I just healed them after I was done fighting since nobody was low enough that they would die

[@iainkilcar7463]

I feel bad for these people who are actually bronze being forced to play against people at higher levels and getting absolutely outclassed in some games.

[@endersalasa3396]

Story of my life

[@Upsetkiller456]

Happens in virtually every game genre. Just the nature of multiplayer.

[@Ravnesss]

Who cares? Lose and move on.

[@magnico1101]

i honestly dont know if that is happening to me or maybe i am just trash at the game

[@switchblade6]

@@Ravnesss Or what if we just improved the matchmaking

[@cuirinedubh397]

I have a theory that when low elo Kirikos look around like they are lost they are actually looking for teammates to teleport to, even when they don't need to teleport and they could just walk forward or wall climb etc.

[@MothSalesman]

I have this issue - I notice I keep forgetting that Kiriko can wall climb especially when getting solo’d and die looking for a teammate to TP to

[@Zekegedd]

@@MothSalesman That just means you need to play her more. Wall climb is essential to her kit, you'd be amazed how much longer you can survive.

[@burningtoasts]

You are correct in this case ^^

[@TobiasKryze]

@@burningtoasts lol nice name, I know it from somewhere but can't think of where.

[@SophiaAstatine]

My best bronze moment playing kiriko was outclimbing a reaper repeatedly while nailing kunai into their pocket mercy till she died. Would've been highlight worthy, had I only survived after that. But it makes me wonder, bronze players often seem unprepared for vertical movement, but does that stop beyond bronze?

[@shadei1142]

It really sucks that this is how this game was going, because this Kiriko definitely had good intentions, but the team was just so bad at keeping themselves up. And you KNOW that they would have yelled at Kiriko if they didn’t get enough heals because it’s bronze and that’s how it is.

[@WhatisaLee]

I find that the more you baby your team, the more risks they'll take. They won't realize how far they've thrown themselves into the enemy frontline until they get deleted because their pocket heals stop for one reason or another. Setting the expectation that they won't be pocketed sometimes means that they'll play smarter.

[@shadei1142]

@@WhatisaLee key word being “sometimes” this is bronze, not silver lol

[@ArcNine9Angel]

A game last night: Zarya: "Kiriko there is a DPS role, btw" Me with 50% more healing than the Lucio with a grouped team, and 3k+ dmg plus some sniper snipes: "You know there's this thing called walls that can block damage for you, just saying."

[@ArcNine9Angel]

Honestly I wouldn't bat an eye at the tank in this game still saying the healers are bad.

[@curse4384]

@@ArcNine9Angel i mean… she was bad

[@TinyGiiant]

I love how different your tone is between a player who genuinely ints vs a player like this who is trying but lacks confidence and decision making. this felt super constructive, hope this kiriko can improve their aim and get some confidence.

[@abursh]

100%. The roasting is fun, but made all the better when useful advice is being given too.

[@Swanlord1]

He’s definitely accurate, but he’s not the greatest teacher. There’s a difference between firm and an Asshole, and he sores off like an Asshole more often being just firm. You can point out blunders while not being rude. Not many people respond well to what he’s doing. Some well for sure, but most would like either get pissed or just shutdown.

[@Swanlord1]

He seems to be very frustrated even just watching this.

[@TeifitV]

@@Swanlord1 I mean yeah, he is frustrated about their gameplay. The series is about roasting viewer submitted replays, being educational isn't the primary objective here just an extra if he feels like it.

[@spencerw2994]

@@Swanlord1 I don't disagree with your points on how he comes off, but I think it's important to remember that a) these reviews are very much opt-in by the person playing in the footage, so these aren't surprises; b) the people are presumably already aware of Flats' tone, content, and prior vids in this series; and c) it's purposefully stressed that these vids *aren't intended* to be educational but are first and foremost meant as an educational "lmao look how bad this person is" type of roast. They often end up being educational, but they're not designed to be and if a person is looking for just very valuable educational feedback, from someone who's a good teacher, they're presumably going to look for someone doing vod reviews who fits those criteria.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Haven't watched yet, but based on title alone I had a guy recently say "Kiriko doesn't do any damage, so Mercy is better." I felt my brain leaking out my ears after that one.

[@mekacrab]

the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

Oh nah what 💀💀💀

[@Strap89]

That's true on wood rank, probably

[@GriseWeisshark]

And that Mercy just healbots the entire game which is worse.

[@sbeve_helied]

@@Strap89 wet paper towel 1

[@y2cq]

I love how they don't even use suzu to save people thinking saving suzu Is better

[@legoman2274]

i think a lot of ppl arent aware of the invincibility effect of suzu (btw it only heals for 50 lol)

[@KidKudos]

@@legoman2274 I've seen too many people use it to heal like bro what are you doing!? It's not an Ana nade!!!

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

@@KidKudos as an emergency heal its fairly strong, but yeah ideally you keep and save it for cleansing/invuln frames at the right time.

[@omrizubary]

If you don't have anything to cleanse use it to save yourself or teammates

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

@@KidKudos I mean, using it to heal is fine on critical teammates.

[@H3lios227]

Burning toast: hmm I wonder why kiriko is holding a kunai

[@nickel7o740]

To butter the toast of course!

[@thediodoin1000]

@@nickel7o740 butter kunai

[@hamfistsman6267]

Her Tank was feeding like crazy.

[@JJBeauregard1]

I love Flats for picking up small things like the person's name "BurningToast" and incorporating it into his jokes when he said they can't make a decision and that's the origin of the name :'D

[@holaiamdevil]

that shit had me rolling 😂

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

It's what we call being a comedian.

[@jamminninja8924]

yeah not it bud . a guy who looks more like a boulder then a human shouldnt be making fun of ANYONE

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

@@jamminninja8924 you aware that it's his job in these?

[@excme22]

@@jamminninja8924 Dude that's so mean

[@Zekaria_Vanwood]

Hearing the "at least you tried" when he was throwing kunai honestly started me gaining more confidence and trying to hit more shots. Never being a good shot I just never tried a whole lot, after hearing that little comment I just try now, and who cares if I miss, and through just sheer practice I got better. Thanks flats

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

"You miss a 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky

[@itisnottaken4444]

It’s not that low elo players don’t want to utilize resources beyond healing, it’s the fact that their respective tanks and dps will absolutely have a conniption if they do anything else BUT heal. Then they’re almost forced to oblige or else people just start throwing left and right.

[@deijix]

And sometimes your team mates are the type that need to be constantly babysat. I’ve been in games where I can’t even get a kunai out because I have to hold right click like my life depends on it for every second to keep my teammates alive. If I stop healing or look away for a second I’ll look back and they’re critical or dead. And it’s all my fault for “not healing”.

[@itisnottaken4444]

@@deijix I have to hold my breathe every time I play an off support because I know if we lose one team fight ima have to click over to Baptist or Moira.

[@larzanthony2275]

Lots of supports can deal damage while healing is off cooldown/done automatically. Baptiste has the shoot heal combo Kiriko can throw 1-2 blades before healing is back up Lucio only needs to stay by his team Brig heals by doing damage Zen just needs to use his orbs Moira has good enough burst heal to keep damage up. If you don’t want to be a healbot, don’t play mercy/ana

[@strangejune]

I played a quickplay open queue as Rein attacking the hill/control point, I noticed there was a ball just sitting behind my shield shooting everything. When I walked forward to attack the point, gatling ball died and went "REIN SHIELD" in chat. I have to imagine these are some of the same people that yell at supports for not pocketing enough.

[@larzanthony2275]

@@strangejune You mean wrecking ball killing your team while you watched the opposite way? If I interpreted it correctly, you left your team to die.

[@darksolus_1]

The reason bronze supports (and dps) look like they have short attention span and no object permanence is simple: they look at a pharah, they futilely try to hit her, realize that all they are doing is stand there and look stupid, and then they turn away and say "not my problem, let the dps deal with it". And with Kiriko that's just ramped up threefold, because unless you're hitting heads, you are better off healing and cleansing teammates rather than trying to poke.

[@Du1e]

but why would you play Kiriko then ? If you know you can't use her kit because you don't have the mechanics, play something else. It's like playing Widow, but you know you don't have the aim to use her sniper and you end up playing Widow 76, shouldn't you just play Soldier ?

[@TheB34st021]

@@Du1e cuz its pretty ez for pharah to dodge kiriko shots. I mean im bronze. So I can't entirely aim. It's not to common for me to hit a flying pharah.

[@Du1e]

@@TheB34st021 I'm talking generally, not only about Pharah and still, if Pharah is a problem and you can't hit her with Kiriko, why play Kiriko ? Just go Baptiste

[@darksolus_1]

@@Du1e you do realize that if nobody plays kiriko in bronze, nobody would learn her, right? Same argument as you just said, if I can't play her, why play her at all. The longer you play a character, the more you get used to it, duh.

[@Lakita2880]

@@darksolus_1 I mean you could also practice in QP

[@bbqenjoyer]

bro out here cleansing corpses so they can move on into the afterlife

[@heyfell4301]

One thing I learned playing D&d that I absolutely think applies to Overwatch is: you can't outheal some things, and that's when you put some damage of your own into the mix. I like playing Ana because of that.

[@raquelortiz6077]

one of the hardest lessons I learned from high rank players was not committing. I have loved support since the games release but finally realized my biggest fault was committing to situations and teammates that were impossible for me to save. I held myself to a bar way too high and thought I could do it all and if I let them die- I was a bad player. It's actually the opposite. Letting myself die to an impossible situation put my team out of one more player and worse than that- support. You accomplish and help your team more by self preserving rather than basically feeding. Thanks Flats and ML7 for teaching me sooo much.

[@Casedilla73]

I usually have the same mindset and it’s hard to know when a teammate is beyond saving

[@cyphy2110]

This is probably the best representation of how new player/low rank players perceive support roles(pocket heal). Thats why playing in open queue most of the time no one wants to play support usually theres only one when i play which is me and i hate that i rarely play other roles because i have to adjust for the team.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

That's when you play what you want. F the team, especially one that guilt trips you into a role.

[@jpap967]

"You don't have to heal if all the enemies are dead." -Flats 2022

[@Lunar_Valkyrie]

Flanking DPS Moira's mentality.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Death is the best CC.

[@corbentimms9443]

For anyone who prefers the toggle, you can still toggle it off by clicking again

[@karamei]

Why would you prefer that though...

[@corbentimms9443]

@@karamei I do for now because it's what I'm used to, the only healer I actually hold heals down on is Moira but there's no reload, holding to reload on that animation feels strange to me

[@corbentimms9443]

But I'll probably change and adjust, just got those who currently prefer it, even if it's not better option, can toggle off without using all of them

[@N3cr0S0ulja]

@@corbentimms9443 OH... I LIKE RELISED... and never really suggested this Idea to my self. (For PC)Moira Key binding: So make Biotic Grasp healing [e] and the Biotic Orb [R] B G: Damage Left Mouse Button. This way, you can make the Melee button more easy access and less stress. Set to Right Mouse Button... Yes, with gaming mouse, you can use MB4 or 5. Some people do prefer the RMB for better comfort.

[@Veridiano02]

As a main support player, one thing that helped me a lot is, I came from other MMOs, not shooters. Even in those, with a class called specifically "healer", you have damage skills. FFXIV is a great example. Healer can, and must do like 10-15% of the total DMG of the dungeon. Even if the role must be focused on healing, you must do damage, because that's why your class has damaging skills too. If you're not using them, you are wasting them. Even if you manage to do 1% of the total damage, it's worth. Coming with that mentality helped me a lot. The bad side, I'm always tented to play Moira.

[@lonzopaul-_-123]

“Thats not trolling, that’s mistakenly overextending” “No, that’s what separates a dogshit player and a good player” 😂😂😂 I WAS LITERALLY IN TEARS

[@spadeLoK]

i know this series is about roasting bronze but i’ve been plucking pieces of knowledge and fixing things within my own play because of this series!

[@agranite9776]

Kiriko is a flex support like Moria and Baptise in that if the team doesn't have enough healing, they can focus more on healing. If the team has enough healing and/or self-sustains, you become more of a damage dealer. It is always based on the situations. Sometimes you need to give up healing to kill key players on the enemy team if you have the opportunity and trust your other support to keep the party alive. Kiriko should always be looking for offensive plays whenever possible, especially if your team struggles to get any kills.

[@Jawnin]

I agree. that 120 headshot damage is no joke, Sometimes I just spam a few shots through a window or doorway and score a couple kills. It's also really fun to play around Sombra/Genji/reaper/tracer players cuz they tend to be in the enemy backline. Just know that Sombra players will leave you for dead as soon as they take 20 damage and Genji players are always low for some reason in my lobbies.

[@JMotion]

Yo Flats, in these recent Kiriko spectate videos you tell people that the 'toggle healing ofuda' setting being left on will animation lock you into throwing all 5 ofuda. That's not the case. By leaving that setting on, the ofuda fire is an on-off toggle. That means you press fire once to start throwing ofuda, and you press fire a second time to stop firing. You do not get locked into throwing all 5, you can cancel the throw at any time. That said, turning it off is still the better option for most people. I played most of day 1 with the toggle setting on and it gets super chaotic in fights. Just wanted to point out the misinformation.

[@BossBoos697]

A lot of players don't know this, so when he says "stun lock," its still accurate because a lot of players won't press the button again to cancel it.

[@ReizokoRyu]

I personally dont like having to hold it to heal. As OP said you can cancel it manually, if you really want. And I'd rather fire off a kunai if no more healings needed.

[@karamei]

needing only 1 user input is better than needing multiple. Holding down, then releasing, a mouse button is less time+effort than clicking once and then clicking again when you want to be done.

[@BossBoos697]

@@ReizokoRyu Well for me, I rather hold it because when you stop pressing it, you stop healing. If you use toggle and then press to toggle on heals, and then press it again to toggle off, there is a delay and it makes her feel clunky to me. I tested this too. When I hold down the button to heal and then release it immediately, I only release 1 paper (2 talismans), but when I use the toggle function and go on and off as fast as I can, I released 3 papers (6 talismans) so that is why I prefer to hold it.

[@andrewcampbell9277]

13:55 "How do you die to Bastion ult?" I tried to parry it once to see if I could, I could not.

[@GibsonGaming]

Parry it? What are you a medieval sword fighter?

[@ZenJestr]

@@GibsonGaming genji deflect

[@mekacrab]

did you also try to deflect doomfist's ult ?

[@mikkeluno]

Turns out you can... if you're straight in the middle of the hit-zone

[@fraydizs7302]

@@mekacrab yes. It made him shoot back into the sky and back to the lobby

[@danielswift5615]

I love flats content, because he can be harsh but he is giving out the best info to help people get better.

[@XavoMedia]

Imo Kiriko is the perfect support. She has such an insane high skill ceiling, almost the same as Zen. EVERYTHING in her kit screams skill, the kunais crit is clutch af (gotta love the 1HS/melee combo to take out a pesky Tracer 😍), her suzu is the ultimate fuck you to almost any ult, and even her teleport immune frames to save your ass mid fight from a dva bomb,junk tire, rein slam, hell almost everything. I love her.

[@-kstyle]

yeah kiriko is busted on high sr right now, not even that hard to land kunais if you have decent mechanical skills

[@jrm371]

Zen is much easier to use than Kiriko

[@Splaffy-0-]

@@-kstyle console players would like to differ ples

[@busydarthnooox8290]

@@jrm371 if you have good aim Kiriko is the way

[@silcoxjakob]

@@busydarthnooox8290 zen is mid support

[@ParticularSky413]

I’m convinced lower ranks don’t actually go back and look at their own footage from games. I’m constantly going back and recognizing little tidbits where i should’ve done something different and it’s improved my gameplay.

[@DMinor64]

Flats low key a great teacher, really pointing when and where you need work and also telling you where your strengths are, straight to the point

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

Day 9 asking for a bronze meta tierlist. We need a tierlist for such a competitive rank afterall haha

[@WildYGO]

Check out Mr. Fruit, he did a low elo tier list

[@ItsBingus69]

try not being shit at the game first, that matters far more than what characters are considered meta.

[@dr.downvote]

@@ItsBingus69 it’s like telling top 500 to stop being so good at game because it’s ruining the game for bronzes lol

[@ItsBingus69]

@@dr.downvote if you are physically incapable of landing shots, what good will saying "play ana" do?

[@dr.downvote]

@@ItsBingus69 seeing a tierlist is not at all related to maining the S tier heroes. People, including myself watch tier lists just for fun and when we go back to game, we’re gonna play what we’re good at obviously. Just because flats says that rein is S tier, doesn’t mean his follower is gonna main rein.

[@dreaddead4023]

did anyone noticed that hog rarely uses hook...? ngl i want hog POV gameplay

[@theepictheory2219]

I’d argue that in low elo, it’s difficult to not mainly focus on healing because I don’t trust my tank or DPS to stay alive for 2 seconds XD

[@Jawnin]

that's fair but if you kill the source of the damage they'll be fine. Not a reason to go off doing dps and not healing your team at all like Moira players though

[@Plethiros]

this vid review, was magnificent. i learned so much and flats is actually funny asf. explains why its bad and what you can/should do in certain situations to do better.

[@DasOmen02]

I just realised I think... I think the Kiriko was always saving her ult to combine with Roadhog,,,

[@daminmaley1813]

I often win support games by doing more damage than the other team's supports and less healing. But if we lose that game cause the tank was feeding or there was a dps diff the supports immediately get blamed, no matter how many sweet nades or suzu's I threw.

[@lavitz3045]

Love your videos flats, and the aim point is so important. My first 2 years of playing OW I played pretty much exclusively reinhardt because it was my first PC fps game and I didn't want to make my friends lose. Eventually got over that and my aim got better, tho not immediately. Just gotta have confidence in yourself and try

[@jayday545]

You are absolutely right, even at Plat people tell me to heal more. 90% of the time I tell them fine and start focusing on only healing. In all but a very few we lose. I typically have the same damage as heals. Like 10k in each and will switch off to concentrate more on one based on how well the DPS actually do.

[@sarah_thestargazer2]

i know this is an older video, but thank you so much for all the help you gave this person!! I'm a newish player who's recently hit 15k heals and am about to start comp as a Kiri main. this helped me so much already. sadly my aim with her is kinda bad, but i'll def work harder to improve that now! :D

[@neondead2.0.15]

Tip from newbie: change your crosshair in settings so you can see more precisely were you shooting.

[@DerekS-lg6nt]

I played with a Sigma who had 0 dmg mitigation at the end of a round. You can't underestimate how bad some gamers are or their lack of awareness and understanding.

[@Sargothien]

I love watching Flats roast people for doing the same stupid shit I always do

[@BabyMandingo]

Me: sits down to have a laugh but just gets absolutely enthralled with the fact he NEVER throws his knives and my rage was building so incredibly fast!

[@thenerdyotaku7583]

I lowk loved this video cause it’s a nice change when you see Flats giving advice like this. He seemed less flamey in this video compared to other Spectating Bronzes. Idk what it is, but it feels wholesome

[@t_64]

Imo it’s a lot less annoying when he actually gives advice. Gives this series an actual end goal, rather than shitting on lower levels.

[@san-tbandit1807]

I mean the series is literally called Spectating Bronzes and they fully expect to be roasted, he says “If you learn anything from this video that is a bonus”

[@t_64]

@@san-tbandit1807 Flats and all his fans say the same damn thing because he says it. Regardless if they’re willingly letting themselves get roasted, him getting unrealistically mad at lower skill players, is not roasting. The entire series as a whole has practically no use besides him using his game knowledge to be frustrated with new players, instead of actually providing criticism.

[@imdva]

@@t_64 low skill players don’t equal new players. some of them are dog shit stupid and make idiotic plays that they should know are wrong. i’ve seen plenty of diamond borders in gold so time played doesn’t always equal skill

[@Alpharioss]

"Every game you're gonna sit there and you're gonna whine because your tanks didn't win for you" This 100%

[@MegaInsaneMC]

i notice this a lot with tanks in ow2. They tend to throw themselves into the enemy. Just last night I was having major issues as ana trying to heal a winston and reindhart that massively overextended, forcing me to use my grenade only on them to keep them up instead of saving it for other team mates or to shutdown the enemy healing.

[@adambombzify]

FYI flats, the toggle healing option doesn't animation lock you. You just need to press the healing button again to cancel it. It's your classic toggle vs. hold.

[@broken1boness]

Oooo love the Pokémon Gale of Darkness music for the background at the start

[@kiraphobia222]

Imma be honest, I think switching your heal and dmg buttons would help a lot of these new players be more aware of when they damage and when they heal, cuz even when I was new, I did that same thing because I used to play Paladins and it definitely helped a lot and something I've noticed is that people just hold left click mindlessly even with Dmg and tank

[@krystal8462]

I feel like this kiriko was flamed so much that they only strictly heal when playing support now 💀

[@GraviticFlux0530]

A sad truth of low elo

[@Moluminati]

i have met sooooo many kiriko healing bots in comp games, it's insane. it's as if they are afraid of throwing even one kunai ever

[@YourKingSkeletor]

To be fair people flame you all game if you stop healing once as any support... then flame you for not outhealing a 1 shot from Widow.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

@@YourKingSkeletor then I tell them "Show some athleticism, stop face tanking."

[@MatheusVenti]

And she can shot 1 kunai for free, everytime she is recharging the ofudas.

[@larzanthony2275]

@@YourKingSkeletor You can literally throw a kunai in the time it takes for the heal to recharge.

[@YourKingSkeletor]

@@larzanthony2275 True but you still get flamed. I shot one kunai to scare a Tracer away from our spawn and instatly have a guy go into details on exactly how he would find me and kill me and those I know... because I shot one fucking kunai. I just shrug it off but it does deter people from doing anything but heal when the community acts like that.

[@bowjack66]

24:16 the reaper responded on getting hit by pharah in a very comical way like "ohh shit" and turned around 🤣🤣

[@thejeffreymann5240]

I actually prefer the toggle healing on for kiriko. You just need to click the button again to stop it. Thus for a little healing you click a second time soon after the first. It works for me because, in order to heal a lot, I just click once every time they recharge.

[@TheStylishSpy]

Fun kiriko fact for low elo players: Even if you feel the desire to JUST heal, you can actually output your healing, and throw a single kunai before your healing comes back up, get used to this, try to flick shot kunais at heads inbetween your heals, weave your abilities and you'll instantly be better than anyone who uses her JUST for healing, arguments can be made that ana, mercy and moira are all main healers, but all the low elo mercy players sit there and don't damage boost properly, to get better with ana, help with dps where you can, use your sleep dart and grenade offensively where you can to help with kills, and moira players believe it or not, are more useful when they can pick off low health targets, then heal you where needed.

[@obiwanshinobi87]

Kiriko can give dps characters a run for their money

[@ShakinMilk]

Bro you just blew my mind with the ofuda setting 🙏🙏 this is gonna make my kiriko so much better

[@dragonhitman1071]

I really miss the after match stats.

[@SpicySharp]

I think the hardest this for people to grasp about overwatch is the give and take of the objective. People worry so much about losing progress that they just run to cart and feed.

[@CnfuD-Choticstreaming]

I don't think hog is trolling... I think he is a legit bronze, scared for his life, so he is like , "Imma gonna use this payload for cover"

[@MyouKyuubi]

... he didn't use the payload for cover though, lol.

[@CnfuD-Choticstreaming]

@@MyouKyuubi well, in his bronze mind he did :P

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@CnfuD-Choticstreaming Well played, sir! xD

[@CnfuD-Choticstreaming]

@@MyouKyuubi ahahahahahah ty ty

[@FireflyArc]

*takes notes* the trying and use healing through the wall hurts me. though if 9:20 to 10:42 explaining how hog messed up and what to look out for, was it's own segment for each hero i would watch the *heck* out of that. learning what rotations and cooldowns and all those mean. i really appreciate the calm teaching here. i really really do. it' letting me understand a lot more. 17:50 and afterwards. thank you! 19:18 onwards made me see the real potential of what's going on. it wasn't just insults. it was constructive! \0/ thank you!

[@brayzaroo]

I genuinely feel bad for all the support mains starting in lower elos. Just hang in there king I promise it gets better

[@Sergmanny46]

No, it never does. Not only support is a thankless role, but it's also without a shred of doubt the most unappreciated, undermined and flamed role in the entire game.

[@javerious24]

@@Sergmanny46 cope

[@Mr.Reality]

@@Sergmanny46 idk why but i always get 1-2 endorsements every match as a support and never get blamed. Looks like the dps always flame each other and sometimes the tank. Either way it does not matter because it's impossible to rank up in this game especially as a support. You are too dependant on your teams performance in order to win.

[@demon3203]

@@Mr.Reality Every role depends on team... DPS need tank to get space for them to get picks and damage on enemy DPS and healers. Tanks need healers to get the space and healers need dps and tank to create a safe space for them to do their thing. Its a team game, if you feel your impact is low on support, its because you suck as support which is fine. Not everyone can be good at everything if you do better on tank or DPS then just play tank or DPS and stop publicly shitty on a role causing this weird stigma around something that isn't true. Their a loads of people in the highest rank right now as a support. They did it by playing good and putting in the time. Its not impossible.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

@@demon3203 honestly, best way to climb is by playing every role. If you've only mained tank, you wont know what its like to be support/dps and what they need from you, and this just goes for about every role you can be. Playing support to understand what you need to do so when you're dps/tank you wont be spamming I need healing as much cause you'll be paying attention to healthpacks, your positioning and how likely you're not gonna die.

[@ريّان-ذ4ت]

You don’t even have to kill as kiriko, even missing or doing minor dmg with the kunai is actually fine because you’re at least taking focus away from your teammate and your tank.

[@benlancaster2171]

I'm sitting here watching this and realized the background music is in an old game I used to play hahaha, very nice. Also good advice flats

[@joshuabrooks9759]

I love the roast videos, but the more educational videos are great on occasion, keep it up Flats

[@AmalgamJiena]

Mice actually know how to fight back. It's usually a pathetic attempt but at LEAST they try

[@xyanow8720]

Not sure if Flats reads these but you can fix the audio bug by changing the sound system (from dolby to system and back to dolby in the sound settings) rather than restarting the whole review

[@13enwarner]

They're callled burning toast because watching their gameplay makes you feel like you're having a stroke.

[@levirder843]

I play mostly Lucio and Ana. If I have teammates demand that I heal more we usually loose, but when I try to get some more value (Reddit Lucio-style) I often manage to get a frag which swings the outcome of the fight. It is very important to squeeze that extra value out of your character. Support diff really is a huge thing in OW2.

[@deijix]

I love Reddit Lucios. Nothing funnier as a widow than being scoped in and seeing a little frog man zooming towards me at Mach 11 and then the next thing I know I’m back in spawn 😂

[@levirder843]

@@deijix Haha. Love targeting Widows, until they hit the most insane headshot one me while being super sonic.

[@ipacklunches]

@@levirder843 Targeting(and killing) the Widow is what sets the difference between a decent Lucio and a good one. Especially when your team doesn't want to.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

@@ipacklunches dont even need to kill them half the time, just pressure them enough times they'll fucking back the fuck up and play so safe they dont get picks. Nothing like mentally terrorising a person to the point the enemy team says their widow is throwing

[@michaelmills8257]

25:00 Soldier being on the ground and Reaper being up top legitimately angered to the point of yelling.

[@1mmy]

theyre called supports for a reason!! i love this video because its exactly what i say, if im coming in, healing your health and doing damage on 1 person while youre 1v2ing, and you cant manage to kill while getting healed AND while theyre taking more damage, then whos the issue here? they just blame it on the fact that we dont pocket them

[@curse4384]

Unless they have a pocket, in which pocket the dps/tank

[@1mmy]

@@curse4384 depends on the situation

[@curse4384]

@@1mmy not really, if mercy is damage boosting a soldier or if a lucio is sticking to his flankers, don’t just say “cmon dps just do more damage than them”

[@curse4384]

@@1mmy if u refuse to pocket vs a pocket ur actively throwing

[@1mmy]

@@curse4384 this is literally why i said it depends on the situation . if im playing kiriko i can easily heal my teammate while doing damage to the other pocket ? hence i wouldnt be pocketing but i'd be a lot more of a help to my team .. dont get mad when you expect to be pocketed but ur not

[@JustStopOkay]

It's weird how when faced with death she wouldn't even melee, just full on acceptance of death.

[@keatonwastaken]

Flats, I see you telling people the Ofuda hold option is mandatory to stop healing anim half-way but that's not true, you can use the default toggle setting and click once again to stop your healing animation to keep all of the Ofuda from being thrown out. It's still probably better for people to use hold button to heal, but just incase someone likes the toggle but wants to know how to stop it.

[@MrSonictheOtter]

Thanks for the toggle tip Flats! I was always mad that I got locked into healing but now hopefully I can throw more kunai now!

[@Jammy-James2]

You can cancel it with kunai anyway

[@camerongrondzki2716]

When flats is making the rant about low skill players thinking supports are supposed to be heal bots, it reminded me of a Overwatch 2 slander video I saw where it made fun of Lucios that only stay on speed. I was just sitting there thinking, has this person ever seen a high elo or professional game with a Lucio player. He is picked solely because of his utility to speed his team in

[@mekacrab]

yes but pro players don't always stay on speed.

[@Lakita2880]

@@mekacrab And not everyone is a professional lol

[@edb36mar]

I do love this combination of like roast and education, I do like the roast more because Im just like that, but the educational stuff genuinely dosen't get in the way at all for me.

[@deadhelix]

to be fair, if you can’t land consistent headshots as kiriko healing is just more effective. her kunai tickle people with body shots taking into account her firerate.

[@oogabooga9293]

Yes but actually using it with crosshair placement will at least do something more than just healing people who walk into their death

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

If you can't land consistent headshots with her, play Baptiste. Otherwise, learn to headshot.

[@MsGhoulz]

The ironic part is that the clip ends with the player killing an opponent with the kunai.

[@mekacrab]

you're not gonna hit heads unless you try shooting them lmao

[@legoman2274]

12:01

[@Juggybeargames]

I wheezed when you said "you're fighting an uphill battle..." -- and the cart was literally on an uphill incline 🤣🤣

[@AximGaming]

this is actually pretty insightful, I definitely notice the same tendency in myself. the second a fight isn't going my way I go panic mode and it feels like my iq drops by about 80. any advice on how to overcome that?

[@Sergmanny46]

Use the tools you've got. You're Kiriko? Either cleanse, try to headshot or literally just teleport back to safety. You're Ana? Sleep them. You're Lucio? *Move* You're Moira? Healing orb then right click them to death. You're Mercy? Fly away or tell your pocket you are being attacked. There's a myriad of things you can do. You're not simply a healing bot that dies the minute an enemy sniffs at you. The game gives you tools to survive, you have self-healing, you have your abilities, USE THEM.

[@fxttr5961]

Honestly, other than learning general hero mechanics, I’d say just to play more aggressive in unranked matches and see how far you can push yourself without dying. Sure you might throw by doing so - but it should teach you more of your own mechanical boundaries and remove the stress of being shot at. It’s like being scared to get hit as a new boxer, until you start sparring

[@scarecrow_301]

Play the game more. Best advice to get good in any game ever.

[@AximGaming]

@@scarecrow_301 I have like 200-300 hours in OW1, probly at least 50h OW2 in the last couple weeks. I do notice improvements in general, I'm learning more heroes, my aim is getting better, I don't take the most god-awful positions at all times anymore, but still all that goes to absolute trash the second I'm attacked and it doesn't feel like I'm improving on that at all.

[@Sergmanny46]

@@scarecrow_301 Hours played does not correlate with player skill. You can pour 1k into a game and still be trash.

[@Spaceghost918]

Zen's rework in Overwatch 2 is the reason I don't mind playing support every game. Don't need high healing if the enemy team is pondering the orbs on their chin

[@zeonos]

Low elo players call support "healers"... they get mad if you out frag/dps them and then mass report. The worst part is when you out dps them while having the highest healing done in game too and they constantly bitch.

[@vanpheonix1276]

The problem with low elo players is that if they have supports that have 0 elims and 0 damage but a lot of healing, they don't flame the support, but the second you try to create an advantage by getting an elim then going back (even when nobody on your team dies) they will flame you.

[@VB-92]

Remember, dealing damage is a crutch, a true support knows they must support their team emotionally as well, not just with heals. And we all know that the only way to do this, is only heal, which actively lets your team know that you trust them to hit their shots and get kills. Also remember that good positioning is a crutch and an insult to your dedicated supports who trust you enough to get those kills that they will only heal, so go out in the middle of open space knowing the heals are going to happen and if you die, it's support diff.

[@KillObtainXp]

Thanks for the vid Flats. I just started my ranked climb and got to gold mainly using kiriko. This vid gave me a good idea of what I need to work on to keep climbing.

[@eldesperado2994]

Lol this's how i play Kiriko

[@ozxofr]

the videos 31 minutes long you didnt even watch it yet?? 💀

[@deadhelix]

@@ozxofr read the title they just assumed

[@eldesperado2994]

@@ozxofr the title said " only healed ". After watching the video I realised how mistaken i was - I attempt to shoot but I can't hit any targets lol -

[@LumpyHippo]

"Youre healing the enemy right now"

[@vincentwygers220]

How dare she only heal, she should be only dealing damage not healing

[@mekacrab]

trying to be sarcastic ?

[@lowrld9716]

Even if this is sarcasm, this is a silver take

[@vincentwygers220]

@@mekacrab yes did it work?

[@vincentwygers220]

@@lowrld9716 :( but yes i am silver xD i am kinda new, i played OW years ago and now i am back with OW 2

[@mekacrab]

@@vincentwygers220 well not really cause it seems you're trying to say that she must only heal ?

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Some how I can just hear that hog at the end of the match saying they got no healing.

[@davesinn]

Just gotta say I didnt even realize it at first but the pyrite town theme is banging, awesome music choice

[@noobpro2293]

6:07 about that: flats is partly correct. Yes flex supports can frag and possibly 2v1 the opponent dps. To do that the skill required is huge. Take kiriko for example yeah she can 2 tap on head but to get consistent heads is hard. Lucio also has similar power with his speed boost and movement techs, but the gun is a F***ING PEASHOOTER

[@carlsagen.4858]

Bro the song that played during the technical difficulties screen gave me a nostalgia trip

[@ninjapuppy1257]

This is why the distinction between healer and support is necessary.

[@andrewkvk1707]

health is a currency you exchange for damage. If someone is near or at full health, throwing heals at them instead of dealing your own damage is like throwing money away.

[@LexonyAble]

So I've been playing supp ranked almost exclusively and I think part of that healbot mentality is that, at least in lower ranks, other roles expect to be healed up, out of any bad play or decision they've made. So when you stop holding that heal button to try do something else you're just waiting for getting called out by someone that just died. It's the healbot PTSD.

[@k_-kq3ch]

3:56 when the anonymous blizzard dev who gave sombra invisa hack becomes not so anonymous

[@Real_MisterSir]

Support player: Plays to win Healer player: Plays to not lose Low rank players need to learn this difference.

[@wasabebo8334]

There isnt Support plays to win Healers stall out the game