I Spent Two Weeks Grinding Furina: My Final Review

[@markistador5491]

everyone when mtashed states his opinion - "MADGE" everyone when zajef has nearly the same opinion the very next day - "sounds about right"

[@crowing3886]

It's crazy how he shits on characters an people let it fly then bitch at any other cc for the same opinions 😂

[@markstar0069]

been saying mtashed is correct on most of his takes he was 100% correct on day one furina

[@purplerainPR]

that is indeed correct, we are affirming our accusation of racism against the entire community

[@deffhin]

You are right in a way but still Zajef knows how to use numbers properly

[@Accountthatexists]

That video on his THOUGHTS about furina, was an embarsement to the genshin community, i thought after 3 years these genshit kids grew up, but nope, nope there awful STILL,3 almost 4 YEARS LATER, they insulted this guy's WELLBEING AS A PERSON, cause he said there fav char was overhyped a little, and those genshits still are basement dwelers, shitting on him as much they can and at this point i think most of his subs are still here, just READY to shit on him whenever they can.........that video shocked me, and i haven't been more embarrassed in this community in my life (outside the scaramouche shit, that was disgusting)

[@vonnblagaming984]

People: "Healers are useless in the game" *Hoyoverse creates a character that maximizes your team if you use a healer People: "Why does Hoyoverse forces me to play a healer"

[@ddiatta24]

Yep and that’s exactly what’s going on now. The whole point of the game is to play the story and build characters. How are people now complaining that some of their characters are not build in general. What have you been all this time playing the game?.?.?.??.😅

[@LeKoliasl]

Because healers are still useless . That's exactly the problem with Furina . She forces you to use a useless role for her to even function

[@vonnblagaming984]

@@LeKoliasl this is exactly what my comment is lol perfect example haha

[@LeKoliasl]

@@vonnblagaming984 yeah but you are missing the point. The fact that a good unit needs a bad unit to function , does not make the bad unit better , it only hinders your resources

[@vonnblagaming984]

@@dr.strange1300 like I said now that a character enhances your team if you add a healer isnt that a bad thing? Bruh if you dont like her dont get her. I got her because of Archon collection but after getting her I neve would’ve thought that I can use Barbara and Jean again. It opened so much team comps like Itto, Gorou, Furina and Barbara. My Barbara is level 60 and 4* artifacts I didnt build her and today still didnt build her whatever her artifacts it I stayed with it

[@nemoCapt]

I think that's the point of Furina - she allows you to bring forgotten characters in meta and build new fun teams. I always thought that the process of building new characters from scratch is also an interesting part of gameplay: you get bigger and bigger numbers after each investment - that's pleasing to observe, isn't it?

[@kchill2305]

She even works with old meta and makes it even better … melt team omg my ayaka got so buffed, even national team instead of xingqiu my xiangling jumped from 60k to 85k and my raiden ult jumped from 140k to 200k insane… abd with her it doesnt matter who vaps you ll do insane dmg with her or the pyro character ….

[@pajeetsingh]

Then increase resins to 500 per 24 hours.

[@weindesu3511]

i kinda agree, Furina gives so much value to your account given that you have the right kits to make her work. it should not be a problem for old players. but for new ones just like Focalors said, "you may have to suffer somewhat" 😂

[@AnitaGGG-oy1vy]

If u have to have the right kits where is the value lol.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Like you don't get Barbara and Noelle for free garunteed.

[@episode4882]

@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mnand they are trash without cons or 5* weapons Barbara barely generate particles for Furina, large burst energy cost Noelle is straight dogshit without cons or Itto’s BiS How do you expect new players to use these 2 units

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

@@episode4882 By building ER with Furina, hardly dificult. Barbaras best weapon would be the Tjriling tales anyway which last I saw was a 3 star. Noelle wants fav weapon and the damage Bonus from Furina more than makes up for the lack of damage Noelle does. None of them needs 5 stars to clear abyss, their main job is to support Furina who even at C0 does more off field damage than any other unit in the game includijg Yae, Albedo and Yelan. She is the damage dealer of this team and seeing how this is a theoretical newbie team they won't have any 5 stars that do more damage than them and she does more than any 4 star.

[@episode4882]

@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn or u can simply pull for Neuvillette whos 1 man army

[@nerio1227]

I on the other hand am so glad she forced me to built units I haven't for years since genshin arrived. At this point I'm stacked with thousands of resources and a ton of unbuilt healers I didn't have use for. It was so refreshing finally building something.

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

She's truly for endgame players that have more than 2 years accounts...

[@nerio1227]

​@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Not really. You can easly build her considering you not only get free Barbara at just 20 AR, who can fast heal the entire team, you can just teleport to Fontaine and get all the materials for her without even doing the story. As an "Endgame" player I find her extra fun because finally I have to build my damn healers, who were useless in the game when its so freaking easy to dodge everything. Like no shit, it's been months since I used exp materials.

[@Heatranoveryou]

Wtf do you mean? You already have to build furina...

[@huvyij]

​@@nerio1227 how many er does barbara need lol

[@nerio1227]

@@huvyij i didn't fully build her personally because I didn't use healers much until now but I'm guessing around 130 -150 should be enough. You don't need much since you will be using double hydro. It will be easy to achieve aswell. Just go 3 times HP and your most important stats should be HP and ER. You don't even have to farm much. Just use the strongbox on maiden set and you should be set.

[@IbbyMelbourne]

Honestly, props to him for actually building other characters. He normally never does that

[@f.b.l.9813]

🤣

[@Towhomitmayconcern9293]

He's the type of guy who would definitely like being a Childe main but just doesn't for whatever reason.

[@IbbyMelbourne]

@Towhomitmayconcern9293 it's cus he's got Ayato, so he thinks he has no reason to experiment

[@Towhomitmayconcern9293]

@@IbbyMelbourne Dude would absolutely love Childe but is too pussy to even try.

[@TheSickening1]

I play Genshin since the first week, and it is always nice to get value for characters that didn't use before. That's how I got my first 36* abyss in the beginning, by having to lvl up some characters just for the team comps. Furina being here makes my c1 Jean and c6 Qiqi more useful than before, and I will lvl them up, it's something different to do in the game.

[@yepnope2927]

Im so sorry for ur c6 qiqi

[@vikramkrishnan526]

You have my sympathy for your C6 Qiqi

[@Osorio-tv6wq]

A character that opens new teams makes you build never used characters, shocking

[@merst899]

The teams that not everyone wants to build: shocking!!

[@IbbyMelbourne]

@@merst899 Then why'd he even get the character?

[@dankmemer6576]

​​@@merst899Then don't get the fucking character. It's that simple.

[@merst899]

@@dankmemer6576 We can get whoever the fk we want stop policing people's genshin fking takes/pulls, ret@rd, it's that simple

[@merst899]

@@IbbyMelbourne For making content? Are you stupid? People might not wanna build some useless crap but she also works with charas that are actually good.

[@madara5458]

So basically, how good she is depends entirely on your account. In some cases, she is a godly addition to the team and in others, not so much. She is a high investment unit since she requires a healer. However, her damage output breaks the ceiling when she works where she needs to work. Also, it's fair to state that she needs specific team mates to work. However, there are other characters in the game like itto and arguably hu tao who require well invested supports. So I would gauge her value similar or even higher than these other units

[@mordakie3805]

She ain’t godly at c0

[@zankoushadow]

@@mordakie3805 kinda is, shes bis in so many teams

[@ulrikruby]

I don’t think your argument that Furina isn’t amazing, because you have to build other units is very valid. That’s like saying Xianling isn’t worth building because then you should also build a Bennet. The whole point of resin is to get materials and artifacts to build characters. It’s not a downside for the character that they work well with units that you have ignored up till now. Furina allows for very different team comps, which makes it much easier to build a second team for the abyss.

[@omg241]

It depends if your account has the right characters build already, if you don't then the process of unleash her potential will take a while, and that is solid reason for skiping a character or not.

[@ulrikruby]

@@omg241 Indeed. But MTashed makes it sound like this is a new problem that only Furina has, but in reality that’s just how the game works and how it is for every character.

[@AJ_._._]

Yes, but time is money. People would rather commit less time and effort for the reward. With yelan and kazuha you can just build them and boom they can be used anywhere

[@haru2966]

@@AJ_._._ huh? then thats the same as furina, you need to build characters to make them work.

[@AJ_._._]

@@haru2966 Not specific ones

[@arisenpai]

I have a C6 crowned Jean and enjoy using her. But I still rather use a Bloom team that doesn't involve Furina... I'll keep trying, but she didn't blow my mind like Kazuha, Nahida and Yelan did.

[@kevatchiralzin3495]

What did it take Ari Senpai? Because I gave up on Mondstadt Characters long ago only Bennet is my go to-run to... I don't even know the books for Mond characters.

[@bluecircle06]

Oh my god a sane opinion whaaattt

[@shadismith4549]

i think most people are just butt hurt because they dont build their healers because all they care about is ungga bungga damage numbers having furina in their accounts actually show the lack of diversity in their accounts by having pulled no healers, and not building the healers that they actually have so they cannot appreciate the value that furina brings because they dont have the resources to actually bring out her potential, and thats what makes them seethe! imagine bragging about having a an almost perfect account with all built dps'es all for you to start to square one because you failed to consider building healers, ofcourse its gonna chip their fragile egos

[@Eumakun]

For me at C0, she only excels with hp manipulation characters like neuvi, wrio, and lyney with always having a healer. Only average on my bloom teams, but surprisingly good at some taser teams. If u a have a neuvi, she mostly a must have for him, my god, neuvi,furina,baizhu,kazuha are so broken, it so easy to max the fanfare stacks even at full hp at the start during the first rotation on this team.

[@Adan.2005]

You're surprised that she doesn't work with teams that its damage scales with elemental mastery like bloom? It should've been a bid surprise 😮, now being serious she's is supposed to boost your teams damage based on their own damage not anything else, of course she's not nahida, she's not supposed to work on those teams, if you're going to complain about that then lest complain about why I can't use nahida outside of dendro, it's stupid, right? Well it's the same thing.

[@Eumakun]

@@Adan.2005 who said I was complaining? :) , I merely stated on what's my experience on her being C0 on testing my available teams. but all in all IMO her as C0 shines mostly with hp manipulation characters to get most of her buff, other teams though, she's mostly meh even with her good sub dps. Would still prefer to use Xingqiu and Yelan on most of my teams that need hydro application and sub-dps. Also when did I said that she doesn't work on bloom teams on my comment above? I just said she was just average on bloom teams and surprisingly works well with taser teams which scales Elemental Mastery BTW. Idk where you found those words that I didn't said lmao, are u high or something?. FYI she does work with bloom teams albeit not better than with either yelan or xingqiu but still usable.

[@loreyxillumina]

She's great at burgeon teams

[@malificajones7674]

Neuvillette/Furina/Kazuha/Baizhu is by far the most cracked team I've ever played. They obliterate everything so fast, I often don't even get to Neuvillette in the rotation, before everything is already dead.

[@dplayer2693]

I've got this team as my absolute favorite rn, I pulled baizhu on his first run and got c1 with him. I've been playing that team nonstop and it's literally ridiculous how fast everything dies.

[@malificajones7674]

@@dplayer2693 I skipped Baizhu before, thinking he was pointless when I already had several other good healers. Then I rolled on the weapon banner for Furina's sword and got his signature orb. After several minutes of profanity, I decided I might as well pull for him too. Wow! I freely admit I was totally wrong about Baizhu. He's an exceptional healer, and instantly became my favourite in the game. The synergy between Baizhu, Furina, and Neuvillette is amazing.

[@dplayer2693]

@@malificajones7674 I'm currently running c1 baizhu with a sac frag. He's fills furinas stacks instantly, I love using him, I'm honestly so glad he works in this team, I wanted to go for the sword too but I decided to try my luck on furinas c1 instead, it's kinda crazy.

[@carlosleite7011]

@@malificajones7674 If you liked Baizhu that much, try to get Nilou. If you see Baizhu's kit, he seems to be made for Nilou teams. Neuvillette or Xingqiu/Nilou/Nahida/Baizhu are the most cracked Nilou teams ever. I don't have Alhaithan but him together with Baizhu and Xingqiu shound be cracked too in Nilou teams.

[@Shiwayari]

Hmm, only tried Neuvi Furina Kazuha with Charlotte so far. Neuvi destroys everything anyway, but my last attempt the rotation of that team felt very jank. I basically had to swirl hydro after Furina, since everything is frozen after Charlotte. Problem being that Kazu buffs run out by the time Neuvi gets properly started. I'll try sometime to see if Baizhu leaves enough hydro aura to swirl right before swapping to Neuvi. Could even use him as an only-E bot but maaaaan that sounds more miserable than ignoring Raiden's enitre kit just to make her proc hyperblooms. Really not a fan of that kind of power by working around problems, rather than by utilizing synergies. A lot of Baizhu's kit already does nothing in that team unless you somehow like raw blooms created by HP scaling characters .. If I have to skip his burst too to swirl hydro, ugh.

[@K-dis_Boher]

I still feel like he's underselling her, she just brings so much value that it's hard to comprehend she opens up tons of teamcomps, yes, but she also opens up tons of different build styles for teams; now you can build characters with main-stat goblets(as opposed to elemental dmg) to get more value whilst teamed with her; you can build DPSes with the hunter set for easy Crit rate(obviously giving DPSes their BIS artifacts will be better, but since it's already a good domain to farm, it's like the DPS equivalent of farming the EOSF or noblesse domains, where you can easily just slot in the set to get easy value), she even opens up the use of the Vourukasha's Glow set on ANY character, and while Dehya might be the only one currently who can really make use of it(maybe Cyno?), getting a free 50% dmg bonus on skill AND burst for ANY character is insane ON TOP of Furina's already great buff from her burst and the fact that she bumps up other characters is great IMO, yes it's a bit irksome if you don't have them built or don't even have them, but Barbara is a free character that synergizes well with her, so there's kinda no excuse for anyone to not have a good time with Furina; and since she buffs "niche" healers, it means you can more-freely use the "meta healers" in other teams and gives healers a whole new aspect of them beyond pure healing I don't know how anyone could've misinterpreted what he said before to think he called her bad, but I definitely think he's still underselling her since her value is so broad it's hard to comprehend

[@episode4882]

Opens up tons of teamcomps as in those teamcomps are all mid Who actually uses Klee or Noelle as main carry anyway, and who even has their Noelle built anyway She can’t fit into any of the meta teams like hyperbloom or freeze or Nilou bloom Sure she works well with Neuvillette, but some people mislead lots of players during Neuvillette’s banner saying he’s sidegrade Ayato leading to so many not pulling him and idk how many players actually have Neuvillette Kokomi mono hydro is niche as fk as you don’t have any form of interruption resistance and Kokomi’s NA is wack, ur most of the timing getting kicked around like a football, meaning less Yelan projectiles are fired, overall not a good team for stable dmg output Furina’s hydro application is dogshit, so she can’t really into teams that rely heavily on hydro application like hyperbloom or Nilou bloom, bcs less seeds are generated, overall less dmg, and keep in mind Furina’s personal dmg won’t outweigh the loss from the bloom dmg. Furina also has ER issue meaning u either want ER sand or ER weapon and an extra hydro as battery, meaning ur mostly going to run double hydro, plus a teamwide healer, that’s 3 slots of a team gone, where is the versatility in that. As of current, she only buff quickenbloom, which is worse then hyperbloom if both are f2p investment, Neuvillette and mono hydro teams, and out of the 3, only Neuvillette can be somewhat meta with the other 2 being quite uncomfortable to play without cons and 5* weapons

[@miaace26]

@@episode4882 tell me you lost your 50/50 without telling me you lost your 50/50

[@episode4882]

@@miaace26 I have her C2, she’s just not good at C0, didn’t mean to break the truth to you simps

[@miaace26]

@@episode4882 yeah sure you C2-ed a unit that you think is mid. Believable.

[@Dubstep_Gun]

​@@miaace265Head C2 it cuz she is mid at C0 Literally just Raiden situation right here.

[@tactician3023]

Another aspect which you have to consider is , mihoyo may realise more 5 star limited healers that may synergies with furina . *cough Cloud retainer *cough

[@RaghvendraSingh-nw5dw]

Already saving for Cloud retainer. Delaying building my Jean because I have the same suspicion lmao!

[@newagesoup]

WAIT she's gonna be a healer?? nooooooooooo

[@lordeternity-cr7nf]

​@@newagesoupan anemo one infact

[@arandomguy8363]

​@@newagesoupits still not confirmed yet but there are leaks saying she is gonna be a dps with a buffing effect and a little healing effect too

[@RaghvendraSingh-nw5dw]

@@newagesoup She's an asian demi god with spectacles . . . And she can fly. What else can you need XD

[@mohamedsupreme4190]

As someone who just got her yesterday i got to say u right unless u have a good healer she losses alot of potential, i was so lucky to have had a team ready for her but man my kuki needs alot of refinment to be usable

[@raweriio3306]

Even with a healer she is the best character damage wise for almost every team

[@Adan.2005]

Unfortunately kuki is not the best option with her, she works fine but the fact that she only heals on field characters makes her bad with c0 furina I'm saying c0 beacouse at C2 she might be enough still not the best one but it's a big deference.

[@KingJerbear]

I enjoyed the video. I'm recently revisiting Genshin after a 6month+ break, and I was also lucky enough to pull Furina. For me, I think the fun is just that you can play combat in a new way and switch it up. And it's fun to kind of focus farm to level up new characters and dump all your resources into it for a while. I've never been a fan of Spiral Abyss, I've attempted and completed it maybe twice, but just giving me a short term goal to work towards is always what made this game fun to me.

[@Giloudu27]

To be fair, you get a guaranteed Noelle at the start of the game which is insanely good for a C0 Furina. So you at least get this good f2p option for a Furina team. And the part about getting talents material, artifact and everything... well I think that's most of the fun. I love the fact that I have a good reason to build a character I ignored until now.

[@theloadedbrush3152]

The game prompting you to build new characters besides the same old tired teams is surely a good thing. Luckily, my Noelle and Jean and such were already built and wrecking since before Sumeru so I haven't really suffered. Any character that boosts older ones is a win in my book and I think she is one of the best characters added so far

[@locutos8397]

Not even joking, having Furina on my friendship team, she is quite the healer! I think even new players who really liked her, will have some use for her until they get her full value. And yes, she is already in my Neuvi and Noelle team, she is rly cool.

[@Tehblood]

her on exploration/world quest team is fantastic just leaving her on heals

[@siliconhawk]

Exactly, it's a weird argument that new players can't use her because of her drain. she is godly to new players they can build 1 character that can heal and deal damage that's fuking broken as a new player. And new players don't play optimal either. They just play. Ar55+ people have corrupted their brains with artifact RNG to the level of a zombie that can't play anything that is not optimal.

[@loreyxillumina]

​@@siliconhawkthere's also a 3star artifact set that works great with her

[@Fresh-Spence]

To your point of maybe not having characters built to play with her, thats also whats fun getting her. Now going back and grinding for those artifact sets, leveling up different weapons, using those stacked up open world materials etc. Its something to do allows more experimental options in general.

[@herrscheroftheabyss7218]

Just wanna say that Charolette is actually really good with Furina, especially if you get her to C1/C2. Sure, it ain't gonna be instant like Jean, but it's still really solid. Plus, she's a catalyst user, so she can run Prototype Amber for more healing. Edit: She actually hits max fanfare extremely easily, even with a half-baked build.

[@Shiwayari]

In my experience on C3, she stacks Fanfare just as fast as Jean. Easily full heals instantly. The follow up heals run out much faster but by the time they do you're on max Fanfare anyway. Thankfully she works good with Furina, cause otherwise her kit would be the most useless thing in the game. Hope she can use the upcoming healer set to gain a bit more value. I run Oathsworm on her so I don't have to move my Favge around (man swapping gear is annoying) it's pretty perfect for her. ATK% substat for ATK% scaling heals, and 48% energy for some time which she gets a lot of value from due to all her particle being generated immediately by her skill. But F if you didn't play during that event.

[@carlosleite7011]

I do not recommend spending resourses on Charlotte if you don't like her. Even c6 she just sucks. Most 4* of this game are like this, there's always something that make the character bad. Charllote got three main problems: 1 - Her energy generation was nerfed during beta; 2 - A catalyst healer that scales with atk. If you see the catalyst options for her, there's no good option that fits with her kit. If Charllote scales with hp, Protoype Amber and TTDS are two potent options for her (omg, i'm seeing guides and this two weapons are actually her best options even with hp% being wasted); 3 - The Qiqi dilema, she doesn't doo too much besides healing, little cryo particles and the TTDS buff. I prefer waiting for a 5* cryo healer than wasting resourses leveling her, because limited 5* healer kits always do more than just healing (like Kokomi and Baizhu).

[@sanadye1861]

@@carlosleite7011for what charlotte is, id argue she’s one of the better 4 stars as of recent. The only problem i have with her is energy. With c6 and running her on freeze, that problem no longer exists. Sure she might be more niche, but she’s still good where she can fit in.

[@warbalde98h53]

you are the only one that say furina is not enough value. so fun

[@phase1254]

Totally agree. You're making this vidoes while you considering every circumstances showing you actually care. Personally I actually glad that I kinda have half-build Jean because i can make here, but its only her that i build lol. So yeah if i didnt build any healer before, it will be a problem to make Furina work

[@viralm06]

Furina is my first 5 star and i am glad i pulled her... Just for water walking

[@shenvega6688]

Furina replaced Mona on my main team. It was a hard swap, tbh, but the team is a Pokemon/bloom/Burgeon team. I like the walking on water, but Mona's sprint is far more useful, in the overworld AND in battle. I also think that it was easier to boost my team's dmg with Mona, but Furina does FAR FAR FAR more personal DMG than my Mona. Furina does require a bit more skill to use. There are qwerks about her. For instance, I regularly finish battles with her skill left onfield. If I'm in the overworld, I have to remember to switch back to her healing skill. The reason being, her atk skill will auto-attack inanimate objects, which will drain my health. If they are attacking hydro beast, which are immune to hydro DMG, they will continue to atk and drain my HP. Mona's taunt works wonders to group the enemies. I really miss that feature too, but again, Furina's skill just kills everyone so quickly. I imagine Furina will be give and take on any experienced account. If not for the fact that my team is specifically a Pokemon team, I'm not sure that I would have gone for her. Still, I am very happy that I have her. I also got Neuvilette with R1 signature, but I like furina much better.

[@savageaf1943]

very good for noobs.. healer walking in water damage support

[@chaltrs]

Playing her with neuvillette is so fun

[@mormegil84]

Yup. And they destroy the abyss together currently.

[@mordakie3805]

For a c0 furina he is amazing

[@robinj4286]

The thing is Furina is so good is not just because of the buff or the value she gives to underplayed characters but the fact that most on fielders can use the Hunter set making farming efficient and also give crit more value than people stacking em all the time due to Dendro.

[@shaozhetan7552]

The banner also has a really really good healer in Charlotte who has good synergy with furina Furina allows the healer cast of characters to finally have a place in the game

[@ryoumaru1206]

If you're still new and/or F2P, you can use her with Noelle, Barbara and geo traveler. If you're somehow lucky enough to pull Charlotte as well, you can use Furina - Charlotte - Barbara - anemo traveler. Furina's team choice is really vast, so personally I enjoyed her playstyle a lot to the point of spending 9 team slots for her. For older players I doubt most people would not have at least 1 or 2 healers half built, so you can focus on building those half built ones instead doing it from the beginning. It would take less time and commitment.

[@degenxayah]

as someone who has always used healers regardless of what the shield players say, she fit into the comps i was already using perfectly and just made everything better. idk i think shes the best support in the game. i will never use bennet or xinque but now i know what its like if i did plus she is super cute

[@davidgramacho9666]

this is why I like u man, great review!

[@SleepyKurisu]

She's basically late game/niche, She requires a healer that works with her because not every healer does and os best used with a dps that can reduce their own hp consistently So that's good for older players Meanwhile anyone can pull Yelan, get very similar value compared to Furina with her and practically use her in any team

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Except energy recharge issue mostly use burst only after cast skill low er needs just single cast one hydro party.

[@TerraTheWise]

Late game? Yes. Niche? No. You can’t call a character that can slot into as many teams as she can niche. Sure she almost forces you to bring a proper healer but that is not the detriment people like to make it out to be. People don’t call Yelan niche because she forces you to bring Xingqiu if you want enough hydro for vape teams. Yelan also slots into even less teams than Furina does because if your dps doesn’t use NA’s she’s basically doing nothing. Practically every team in this game can slot a healer of some kind into it without much fuss and so furina will work there as well. I’ve found far more teams I can fit furina into than ones I can fit yelan.

[@SleepyKurisu]

@@TerraTheWise Furina is niche because you won't be getting alot of fanfare with just her in a team, you need someone to consistently reduce their own hp other than Furina to fully make use of her and so far that's only Nilou, Xiao, and Fontaine dps's unless you count the odd triple hyro hu tao teams And Yelan doesn't have hydro app problems double hydro exists because of the amount of extra dmg it gives

[@devallen2942]

niche isnt really a good term. The word niches is best used on Gorou, Faruzan. Furina on other other hand isn't niche, technically an all rounder/flexi slot. She can still deal a good dmg while buffing unlike the other niches that can only buff a specific archetype, and the most disregarded on her kit is that she can still heal.

[@shi-chan5779]

​@@SleepyKurisuBro what are you on about. You dont get how Fanfare works right? You dont need to max the buff, it already gives more Buff than someonelike kazuha with a good healer. You dont need fountain dps nor a dps that reduces their health its more buff and faster but its not the end of the world.

[@KingofBlah37]

I think it needs to be emphasized that, rather than 'needing' a healer, Furina is about empowering healers. She's all about bringing those big heals into the meta, when they had previously been superfluous. She gives those characters purpose, makes it so that their healing isn't a compromise on team damage output. Having Furina has encouraged me to build my Jean, encouraged me to pull and build Baizhu. I'm thinking about building Mika and possibly Charlotte as well. She's encouraged me to change up my team compositions, when even the vast majority of Abyss line-ups did not. As you say, she's definitely not for new players. She is to team-wide healers what Shenhe is to Cryo carries. If you don't have Ayaka or Ganyu, you probably shouldn't bother with Shenhe, and if you don't have one of the stronger team-wide healers, you probably don't want to pull for Furina. Yes, Barbara can work, but she's already a compromise compared to the other team-wide healers. Mika brings ATK speed and Physical bonuses. Charlotte brings off-field Cryo application, and I guess some damage? Baizhu and Kokomi bring their respective elemental application, which is already more valuable due to Dendro and Hydro being incredibly strong, as well as more flexible uses and rotations. For new players, Ayato, Kokomi, Neuvillette, and Yelan would all be more useful Hydro units to pull. Quite a few other 5-stars as well. I would definitely not recommend her to a player that's only been playing for a few months, especially if they're F2P and need to be careful about how they spend their wishes.

[@tuiterish4055]

One of my favourite aspects of genshin is building up units, so I agree that Furina has reignited my interest in building healers. So far, I built up Mika alongside my Furina, and he's actually really fun and viable to use. I've got my Mika at lvl 74, talents 1,5,7 in my wanderer/furina team, and it's already VERY satisfying to play. I'd love to get a Jean to play with since I have good artifacts for her too. The only thing keeping me from pulling for Baizhu (he looks so fun) is that I want to pull for future fontaine characters 😮‍💨

[@aaronyogurt8723]

i build Jean and Mika just for her, they sit at level 1 all this time.. and now im trying to pull Baizhu for diff team comps.. its fun

[@noxtrath8758]

I think shes good but i dont think shes as "broken" as she may seem unless she has the right teammates or with cons

[@kdawgtb]

Wow, almost like that's how 90% of all characters work

[@rayzorlim7390]

At just c1, she grants like 80% dmg bonus with max fanfare stacks

[@TairoKa]

@@kdawgtbI mean if you want elemental buffs or mono, think of Kazuha, if you want Dendro teamcomps, think of Nahida. They are most likely irreplaceable

[@malificajones7674]

@@TairoKa The trick is to use Furina *AND* Kazuha, then watch Neuvillette break the game.

[@ddiatta24]

@@kdawgtb lol yep I know right. The whole point is to create the best team. How is somebody complaining about that?.? SMH

[@Luneo_Moon]

My problem with furina is yes "she buffs ur whole team dmg" but remember that one of them is gonna always be a healer so buffing their dmg is kinda useless in most cases. I feel like other buffers like bennet,mona etc.. are better for buffing ur team dmg without forcing you to go through a lot of trouble especially if u do ur rotation right. Even having bennet as a healer and support for example, can give u an option to have 3 more characters in the party that are dps/support which in my opinion is way better. Ur overall dps of ur party is gonna be highers than having furina + support. but if most of ur characters are hp based then in that case getting furina will definitely be usefull. Edit: pls correct me if im wrong, im not even into all that meta stuff so i might not be correct on some points, but i wanted to get furina and i felt like i will probably never use her since she doesnt fit my playstyle which makes me a little sad.

[@bad3ip2k10]

Nah you're right. Furina is meta in specific limited teams and the rest are basically sidegrades. She's still great but not broken or must pulls except for Neuv or Wrio teams. Her requiring 2 slots to perform at max caoacity is a huge limitation that's why she's considered a sidegrade to a lot of teams. At least her existence opens up other ways to play.

[@MrQuiritto]

Think about it, in teams with Bennett one slot is for bennett, but him himself doesn't do much dmg, and he can only buff the on-fielder (he can buff more than one character if the character snapshots like xiangling or beidou) so, in most teams, bennett will buff one to two characters at max, mona will debuff the enemy but only for a really short time (she's mostly good in dmg per screenshot or freeze teams). Now furina will require a slot for a strong healer, so no dmg from that unity(in most cases), but furina herself do a lot of dmg, and if your other 2 character also do a lot of dmg then 3 characters will be taking advantage of her massive dmg boost. there's also 2 teams where the whole team will use her buff, teams where noelle is a carry with off-fielder dmg dealers, like Noelle, Albedo,Yelan and Furina, albedo can be swapped to xq, and you can also use dps kokomi, which will work really nice with furina's buff and off fielders doing dmg along side her, so you can do teams like Kokomi, Furina, Yelan and Xq, and you can add idk a a fischl in there if you want, and I assure you these teams do so much dmg.

[@uwu.-.5873]

Yes u hit the nail and its basically what the video is also saying. Taking up 2 slots = 1 less subdps and alot less damage The fact that kazuha/bennett only require one slot to buff up your team even higher than furina can is wild. Not to mention how easy their ER and building is since they dont have a weird inbuild subdps alongside their support utility Furina is kind of all over the place. You have to build crit on her while maintaining her ER, and also HP although she scales with it iirc. Reminds me of hutao and building her was a mess for me

[@dawensci7134]

​@@uwu.-.5873 what a load of bullshit

[@Perkydance416]

People saying she’s the best character are definitely lying to themselves but she’s still good nonetheless

[@Pingpong009]

yeah nahida is probably much better pull value if u dont have much chars

[@demonhunter5061]

Nahh with kazuha and Benit my raiden used to do 120000 but now with Benit and firina she does 170000. My yelan used to do 10k*3 with kazuha now with furina she does 18k*3 per ult . If u don't call that op then I don't know what op really is

[@mare-1342]

Nah everyone knows Nahida and Kazuha are still better nobody who have a bit of genshin knowledge wont say she is the best (she is really really good but not as those two)

[@pudinichigo91]

My C0 Yelan can deal 20k per tick with her burst now, no other character can buff Yelan like this other than furina

[@Adan.2005]

​@@Pingpong009nahida in terms of F2P is the best option, now outside of hyperbloom or reaction related teams she not even close to the buff that furina gives on every team if you can maximize her potential.

[@pauljoseph3081]

As an F2P with 2 accounts, good thing my other account is so lucky having Neu + Signature WP and Furina with Nilou Sword, now I only need to build Jean. So, my team would be Neuv, Furina, Zhongli, Jean I can say, Furina isn't friendly for newer players, better get Kazuha, XQ, Yelan, Zhongli, basically supports are tested and proven to be cracked

[@iamchrollo425]

Furina is good but def not a must pull or beginner friendly. She is more suited for end game players who want to push their dmg even more

[@Joemama-pt2ye]

If she pushes damage even more why kazuha is more valuable with less damage boost ? 😂

[@ahmadraif9989]

​@@Joemama-pt2yeEndgame mate. Push dmg further mate. Kazuha is already established.

[@devilsadvocate22289]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Joemama-pt2yeBecause like Yelan, XQ, or other top tier units, I don’t have to build other units just to get his full utility. Furina’s big weakness is that she needs a well-built full-party healer just to take advantage of her S-Tier damage boost. She’s endgame friendly, not beginner game friendly.

[@Joemama-pt2ye]

@@devilsadvocate22289 no that’s not true my lvl 60 jean max the stacks easily unlike kazuha and other buffing units she does not need build only to level up her ultimate and stack your jean with attack or your other healer with hp Also the less hp your characters have the faster you will max the stacks you just don’t understand how easily you can abuse this stacking mechanic and it’s fine

[@mordakie3805]

I agree

[@vinny8589]

Barbara and Qiqi both utilize a revive mechanic which oddly will trigger full to near full Stacks of Fanfare. The catch is it can only be triggered once per revive. So treat that knowledge with care.

[@TheRealIronMan]

I fully built Jean, she is the perfect fit for Furina, honestly - even prob a must have for Furina teams - until Cloud Retainer releases. Furina is in a sense kinda future proof, Hoyo is going to release more and more non-ATK scale characters, increases all damage team wide (no need for snapshot) is only going to become more and more OP

[@PurelyPistachio]

I don't know man, that's a very silly criticism IMO. Yeah you have to build new characters to maximize Furina if you didn't have them built already...but that applies to so many characters if not all of them. That's not a real criticism, that's just you saying you don't want to build new characters lol. Which is fine but like, if that's your attitude then you were bound to run into this eventually with some future character if it wasn't Furina. This isn't exclusive to her. There are so many characters in this game and viable comps that this can apply to older characters as well. I know a girl that doesn't have Bennett built because she's never needed him for anything because of the characters and comps she rolled. Well, one day if there's an ATK scaling character she likes then she'll probably have to build Bennett to maximize them. You see how silly that argument is? Anyway to overcome this, I highly suggest newer players use their Fragile Resin to build new characters quickly rather than gamble on artifacts. I built my Furina in like 3 days because of Fragile Resin.

[@ddiatta24]

I agree with what you said. So true. Not every character in the game is worth building but if you have the time, well why not.

[@wits_end.]

Rewatch the video again because you missed the main points. He does build other characters FOR Furina. Even Barabara because everyone has barbara but there is still downsides. What are they? Rewatch the video.

[@PurelyPistachio]

@@wits_end. ...that is still his argument though. Yes, I watched the video and yes he did build some characters but he is still putting that idea forward as a negative over Furina even in spite of that. Looks like YOU missed the point.

[@IbbyMelbourne]

@monhungod the problem is that this his his "job", and he's barely built any characters since day 1. He just farms the same artifacts over and over until he gets bored of the game and complains. This is the only time I've seen him actually try to build a new team.

[@wits_end.]

@@PurelyPistachio The main points are.. to maximise her potential you need certain characters. New players won't have those characters. There are better characters that will boost your teams more than Furina if you don't have those certain healers, like Kazuha. New players can't build around Furina because they actually can't build around her. This is a gacha game, good luck getting the right favonious weapons. Furina is better for endgame players that have alot of characters. Are you sure you watched it? She has many downsides you will have to deal with before you can abuse her kit. A new player has limited resources and limited options. Mtashed is thinking in the perspective of a player that doesn't have it all yet. Here are better characters that will make your game experience better overall because they work well without downsides: Nahida, Kazuha, Zhongli, Xinqiu, Yelan, Kokomi, and Fischl. You don't have to build around them. You can throw them with any character you HAVE and they will work well.

[@Apollo_91]

I can see your perspective on why Furina doesn't feel as impactful as Kazhua or Raiden, but she actually does end up being in the same tier. For starters, she has more team slots that can be slotted in compared to her rivals, XQ and Yelan, due to not being NA-restricted. Secondly, she massively boosts older carries, so people like Xiao, Wanda-literally anyone who likes DMG% will like her, and the only requirement is to run a healer. But that is both a plus and a negative. The good news is that you're running a healer on the team anyway, so you met the one requirement she has. The bad news is that other questions and issues begin to pop up. Things like "do you specifically need hydro application", and "what does that DPS you're supporting also need?" Using Wanda as an example, you're usually running Bennett, Faruzan, and Flex. The flex usually being Mika, Yunjin, or Yelan, in which case the new condrumon becomes: does this healer heal enough to get a good amount of stacks? Which leads to the other problem and not having Mika, Charlotte Yao Yao, Baizhu, Kokomi, Jean (there's a case for dori C6), Noelle (if onfeild), and Sayu severely hinders what you can do with her, which, imo, is fair; it should be like that as she would be too strong if team building was easier than it already is. When it comes to Kazhua, he inherently isn't as flexible as Furina due to his buff only working on PECH and not Anemo, Geo, or Dendro. While there are no particular obvious caveats to using him besides situations that would prefer Sucrose or Venti, you could simply slot Furina with Sucrose and end up getting the best of both worlds, which somewhat devalues Kazhua less. Yes, you lose out on grouping, but you gain access to a HB trigger and VV while increasing DMG% for that team should you slot a DPS that can utilize it. When it comes to Raiden, if she's not C2, her DMG is alright but not worth purely investing in unless she's hyper-invested in terms of her artifacts. She ends up being better off as a hyperbloom bot where she competes with Kuki, who provides healing, which Tighnari/Alhaitham teams like especially moreso with Furina, or as an energy bot where she competes with Fischl, who does everything Raiden would do in that position but off-feild. So I don't see how she's not the same tier as the former mentioned characters when these characters also have caveats worth mentioning that seem to get glossed over in the community as a whole, which ends up leading to an overrated assessment at c0. Either way, I enjoyed the video. Sorry you got hate for an understandably reasonable take, and if you celebrate Thanksgiving, happy turkey day.

[@newagesoup]

i think you have a well balanced take on Furina. She's excellent. But she's not the best character in the game. I'd save that for Kazuha or Nahida

[@ConstantineReal]

Def not kazuha haha. I think the only actual contender is best 4 star : xin And 5 star: nahida I understand where you are coming from but I don't see it..

[@TheUnholyToast1]

Kazuha is good but there's a lot of situations where he's straight up useless especially if the enemy has a static element applied to them like slimes, Thunder manifestation, etc. Furina on the other hand always has at least SOME use, whether it be dmg or buffs. It can be hard to maximize her potential but even with a weak healer your still getting like 30 to 40% dmg bonus, so I'd say she's generally better than Kazuha. As for Nahida, idk I don't have her.

[@loriyagami8463]

furina is a A tier unit not S tier no more no less in my opinion S tier are must pull because of team-friendly, f2p and amazing utility

[@TheUnholyToast1]

@@loriyagami8463 Going off your description of S tier, no unit is. Not a single unit on the game is both universally applicable and or f2p friendly.

[@Vergil-uq5kg]

​@@ConstantineReal ngl but man kazuha is best character indeed no matter u are a early game player or end game best character help you in every situation when it's come for cc and budding capability with grouping kazuha is best but still nahida is best 5 star

[@Kevin-ys3ho]

I think the best thing about having furina is that she allows you to realistically build whoever you want. She buffs everyone hard, so people who have a fun kit but don't have great number %s in their skills are still ok to use. I understand she carries the team in that sense but got damn it feels good to build freminet for phys and 12 star abyss w him and furina. She's bringing back the fun by levelling the playing field a bit. That's where her real value is for me, she's giving a spotlight to any character you wanna build. Sure my fremmy team isn't anything much compared to my raiden or ayaka but at least I get to have fun playing as a scuba diver who's putting out 40k hits.

[@alterego6493]

This is what happens when you only play META characters or only stick to the several characters: 1. Faster Recurring Burnout due to more repetition 2. When a new character needs a non META characters or makes a new character more viable : "Why do I have to build this? Why do I have to build that." Genshin is a very laid back easy game. No need to scale vertically, just scale horizontally for fun. On Furina, yup she isn't as impactful as her hype but it's great that we can now utilize other characters specially healers.

[@Towhomitmayconcern9293]

Brother, you have a great account for Furina dude, you have festering desire, Jean, and Kokomi, you have the makings of actually bringing out her full potential. I don't have festering desire, no Kokomi, but luckily I do have a non built jean. The Only reason I got Furina is because generally archons are supposed to be a great character, there is no way they would make them bad, and simply because I'm collecting all the archons. I also got her because she validates those HP draining artifacts you get when farming for the other artifacts on several domains, that reason alone makes her a great character, Ill be a little salty if that add another team wide HP drain character though, especially if it is a 4 star.

[@chipperdrewski]

I mean, I agree with what he’s saying for newer players. But if you’ve been playing for three years… Like, I have a busted Jean, and my Noelle and Kokomi are very well-built. So… I didn’t have to raise/build anyone new. Furina was an absolute win for me. And I’m sure a significant proportion of the playerbase is having a similar experience.

[@acseed]

i started an ACC on Taiwan's server, got Furina & she carried me early on... her skill helps a lot

[@Rika-sensei]

Venti- Best CC (as long as he can suck them in) Zhongli- Best shield Shogun- best battery Nahida- best elemental reaction Furina- best Fontainian supports I feel like there's not enough Fontaine characters for us to really judge Furina's full potential. Yes she didn't have the same impact on the game compared to Nahida or Shogun, but I think this is only because there's not enough Fontaine characters. Though I shouldn't categorize them as Fontaine characters, more so constant HP drain characters.

[@luvylu1]

It’s a problem because they’re obviously trying to sell Fontaine units this way through furina and compared to the other archons universality, she falls short because of the need of a full team burst healer. I don’t think she’s the best hydro personally, because HoYo messed up when they created xingqiu and they tried to create a new xingqiu with yelan but people just pair them together. As a hydro, she’s jack of all, master of none. They even tried to add a healing mechanic which is useless in actual combat and only for overworld safety healing.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

She isnt best fontanian support. She is best damage buffer. No other unit gives as much of a damage bonus as she does. "But you need a healer." Im sure Nahida does a lot for a Xiao and Mono geo comp. Its not like she needs reactions to function. Its nol like Venti doesn't work on half the enemies im the game or make melee DPS struggle to hit enemies he pulls. Its not like Zhongli is a universal DPS loss garunteed for added comfort. Everyone has their best teams, pretending that just Fontanians benefit from damage bonus makes no sense.

[@prinnyDooD.]

fontainian support??? bruh she buffs almost everyone, not just fontain chars lol

[@KazeSenseii]

I have Jean and I’m excited to try her with Furina but your take is honestly spot on. I’ve been playing since Itto released like 2 years ago and I still do not have Keqing. I’ve wanted Dehya since she came out and I haven’t been able to get her even losing many 50/50s. Jean is by far the best & most flexible healer to use with Furina in any team, but it’s even harder now to get Jean than it was 2 years ago with more characters being added to Standard

[@haru2966]

jean is not a requirement. You can have charlotte and other healers like Barbara.

[@Borovski213]

I agree with your points regarding character commitments. I've been saying this in the channels that Furina is strong but needs specific units to maximize her dmg bonus. People then be like, oh just use this and that then you can max out the fanfare points. Im like ok but what if I dont have that character or I dont like using them, am I fucked? what's the point of her opening new team options when you need her to be locked with a specific healer?

[@Sun.ce.214]

Agree. It's like genshin players completely forgot about the gacha aspects of genshin. You could play the game for literally 2+ years and not get a single jean. I've been playing genshin since albedo had his first quest in dragonspine but I still don't have a single wolf's gravestone or any diluc constellations. I like furina and she definitely has her place as a strong damage dealer/booster but having a character that forces you into certain teams is kinda trash to me ESPECIALLY when your an archon.

[@raweriio3306]

Charolette is on furinas bannee

[@avokonkwo]

There are so many four star healers and limited ones you can use if you have none of them then you aren’t playing the game right

[@Borovski213]

@@avokonkwo I have more than enough healers. I have a triple crowned Kokomi, Jean, Qiqi, Barbara, Kuki, Charlotte, Yaoyao - all built and ready to use. Not to mention that I have C2 Furina so even rainswords from a full HP Xingqui meme build could top my fanfare points My point is, not everyone has access to these characters nor would they want to go out of their way to build them just to make 1 character work to their potential

[@GrantGunther]

Isn't this the same for everyone? If you're a new player you don't have anyone. It's just that people haven't prioritized the units that work best with her, but Charlotte is on her banner and at C0/C1 she's very usable and pretty good

[@curly_bill]

Bro’s entire argument breaks down to he just doesn’t like healers

[@princessochka3690]

Her value heavily depends on what you have/use on your account. She might look like a good flex for (mobile/mechanically weak) players who need to bring healers anyways (say hello to oneshots tho). But for oldies, who know they can sustain their team simply by slapping "Prototype Amber" on any catalyst - she is rather a downgrade. Dont forget, that Furinas "big" numbers have to cover 2 team slots (herself and healer that she needs to function). Her burst dmg increase is quite "so-so", as it actually increases final numbers by no more than 30%. It doesn't buff transformative reactions, and in "onfield hypercarry" comps you don't really care about buffing your supports. Not to mention, that on C0 you will get max Fanfares only in last 5-6 seconds of rotation (if at all). Lets take freeze comps for example. To accommodate Furinas healer you need to sucrifice either Shenhe or Kazuha, which is a huge loss. But why would you want to do that in the frist place, when using Shenhe/Kazuha/Mona (with "Prototype Amber") will anyways result in bigger Q numbers for your Ayaka, and wouldn't put your team in low health? etc. Furina is quite overhyped, and she wouldn'tt suit for everyone. Personally, i struggle to find uses for her on my main acc (considering she is C2), and on my second account i use her pretty much in Nevillettes comps only (C0).

[@Livtha]

You said that Furina has to make up for damage in 2 slots. But, for the characters you mentioned as examples Kazhua, Mona, Shenhe do they contribute very much damage? I'm just curious personally I pulled Furina for my Ayaka just because her hydro follows you around and I didn't want my Ayaka to be as much of a hypercarry, because I would rather my team damage be a bit more spread out than rely on a single burst even if that means less damage.

[@huvyij]

Bro be careful they gonna kill you

[@princessochka3690]

​@@Livtha Ive made a small comparisson for you. Check the last vid. But keep in mind, that my Furina is C2 (bigger buff, MUCH easier to max Fanfare stacks, bigger personal damage) and Charlotte isn't built. Also, bosses can't be frozen, so Monas Omen buff dropped quite fast. Ayaka/Furina/Shenhe/Jean comp has nice damage, but it has to drop Kazuha/Venti grouping capabilities, which is a MUST on any floor with adds. Ayaka/Furina/Charlotte/Kazuha comp dropped quite a bit of damage in comparisson to comps with Shenhe.

[@Livtha]

@@princessochka3690 It really is very close(with c2). Thanks for the visual explanation!

[@ennvy8]

Hey man, respectfully the argument you stated with furina needing characters that are well built (jean, noelle, kokomi etc.) for her to work can be said to the other characters. Nahida was a powerful unit yet you still needed the characters for her to function well (em kuki, em raiden, etc.). I don't think it is right to undervalue the kit of a character just because of how it makes you feel the need to farm and build other characters for that character to function optimally because that's just how teambuilding works bro. If anything, I think it's much more healthier for the game this way because now we don't have to keep on using national, hyperbloom, vape etc. but instead we can have a plethora of teams that furina singlehandedly brings and offers to the table like mono hydro or even the freeze and taser which might be better than the current comps we have. So yea she is rightfully broken and is healthy for the game regardless if you are starting genshin or have been playing for the couple of years, she will make you value the units you have.

[@warbalde98h53]

if you have kazuha? do you think that you should not farm her ascention and ect.? lol your so fun

[@GreenerBlazer]

Whether she’s good or not for combat, I got her when I found out she can walk on water. She was the perfect addition to my travel team! Furina for crossing great lengths of water. Sayu for simply rolling through areas quickly. Kirara for climbing mountains. And Traveler for his flying. My alternates are Yelan for her speedy traveling and Dehya for her survivability in the cold.

[@Livtha]

"Traveler for his flying"? You mean Wanderer or did the Traveler get their wings back and I really need to catch up in the Archon quests to get them?

[@Red-ln3ur]

She's like Dhil in hsr, She needs specific requirements for the team to perform her best.

[@Marz333]

Or like Jingliu that drains her allies hp for dmg buffs, she’s like a destruction harmony character

[@Cudeus]

⁠@@Marz333+abundance

[@ziebus904]

Wow a healer..... Tell this to nahida raiden benett xiangling nilou ayaka scara itto kokomi cyno yae fischl neuvilett lyney DID I MISSED FUCJING SOMEONE?

[@Marz333]

@@Cudeustruee

[@enrber1]

Mashed- I have Furina paired with built-up Barbara… works amazing! The double-hydro adds to their HP. And Barbara easily brings the whole team’s HP to 100%. (Team: Raiden, Furina, YaoYao, Barbara)

[@Marz333]

I think Furina needing healers is no different than Nahida needing electro/hydro in her best teams and what they give the team completely makes up for it, she shines a new light on healers and I don’t see how that’s a downside

[@Malcommind]

yeah but nahida isn't ehh when you don't use electro like a c0 furina would feel without a healer

[@dawensci7134]

​@@Malcommind its not like almost all team use healers what a dumb point of yours

[@Malcommind]

@@dawensci7134 definitely not the case unless you're just forcing it

[@enutrofdude]

I've tried quite a few Furina teams, and one of my favorites is Furina + Yae + Yaoyao + flex (Kokomi, Sucrose, Kazuha, Xiangling, Kirara, Sayu, whoever). Three Furina pets + three Yae turrets + Yaoyao's Yuegui is utter chaos and I love it. Aside from that: Agreeable analysis in the video. She's worth pulling for and worth investing in, but additional investments and wise team-building are likely additional requirements.

[@shaliniuike6451]

She's not the "meta changing unit", since some old characters already can do much better things in the game ,like do better dmg. They only wanted to brought something new to the game that wasn't needed but Fontaine did gave some value to the healers which were not needed before ( acc to certain players) . For me , i Just pulled her bcs she seems fun and i tried mono comp in Abyss for the first time . Kokomi is so fun now

[@oyfum2638]

This might be a giga hot take, but imo ppl think she’d be better Xinqiu, when in reality she is literally better Yelan. Think about it, Furina has better buffing, better dmg, better hydro app since it isn’t tied to NA, and less er issues. I don’t think there’s a single team where Yelan is better than Furina (as solo hydro) with the exception of some vape teams, even then Furina is still pretty competitive. So imo, if you’re calling Furina mid, than ur also calling Yelan mid by extension. Also, I’d like to clarify, no I do not think Yelan is trash, nor do I think she got “powercrept” by Furina, since in some teams u can just run both. If anything, Yelan also got more teams now because of Furina. I’m just saying, in some teams where your given to choose between the 2, Furina usually comes out on top.

[@princessochka3690]

But Yelan actually is quite mediocre? Her main value always was in using her in double hydro together with XQ, but as a solo hydro applicator she isnt really better than XQ. Certainly not a "must pull" as many in the community picture her.

[@oyfum2638]

@@princessochka3690 that’s quite true. But the ppl I’ve met that think Furina is mid, also think that Yelan is better so it’s kinda……

[@santiagopinto1857]

Something amazing about Furina is that she is viable with pretty much all full-party healers, including four stars. Charlotte in her banner is one of her best choices in a freeze team and in neuvi teams, Mika and Yao Yao are also viable. I love that just because of furina we have a completely new way to play (also with proper payback w that big dmg bonus 😉)

[@carlosleite7011]

I do not recommend spending resourses on Charlotte if you don't like her. Even c6 she just sucks. Most 4* of this game are like this, there's always something that make the character bad. Charllote got three main problems: 1 - Her energy generation was nerfed during beta; 2 - A catalyst healer that scales with atk. If you see the catalyst options for her, there's no good option that fits with her kit. If Charllote scales with hp, Protoype Amber and TTDS are two potent options for her (omg, i'm seeing guides and this two weapons are actually her best options even with hp% being wasted); 3 - The Qiqi dilema, she doesn't doo too much besides healing, little cryo particles and the TTDS buff. I prefer waiting for a 5* cryo healer than wasting resourses leveling her, because limited 5* healer kits always do more than just healing (like Kokomi and Baizhu).

[@nmplayer6674]

its so hard to be a content creator and want to say your opinion thats why i like tectone he is always honest and doesnt care about what community says about him....tbh i myself got furina but i dont enjoy playing her so i changed back to my old team

[@haru2966]

it just means you have huge skill issue.

[@nmplayer6674]

@@haru2966 i like tomato and potato and i hate onion and garlic...i see many people like onion and garlic and see some people mught not like tomate or potato

[@haru2966]

@@nmplayer6674 u have mental skill issue as well.

[@nmplayer6674]

@@haru2966 😐

[@avrilfetana5037]

Why do you hate onion and garlic - the foundation of many tasty dishes 😢. Anyways, furina to you is like a keyboard in alphabetical order, you're not just used to it so you changed back to QWERTY pattern. Maybe in the future you'll like her play style more with the release of upcoming characters maybe in 4.5 - 4.7?

[@muhammadfaiq9266]

honestly im really looking forward to cloud retainer now. Obv some sus leaks so far but seems like she has GREAT synergy with furina also, i believe that most future fontaine units will likely rely on the hp fluctuation mechanic and improve her value, but take this with a grain of salt. Definitely gonna be a unit whose value increases by an insane amount if you have the right units to use with her. At a baseline, if you dont have those specified units, shes still pretty damn decent, but not kazuha or nahida level

[@ColinNguyen]

i made a nw account to pull for furina because i'm saving for nahida on my main account but she is pretty good with new players too. her walking on water ability is so useful and her pets make me almost afk through all the fight lol if you get her as a new player just remember to prioritize lv the hp artifacts for her and she's good to use (doesn't even need high lv wp because she doesn't scale from atk), and forget her ult if you don't have a good team yet, just spam the e.

[@OnFirewall]

I just can't with Tashman. She's opening door to a new type of teams. Of course you'll need to build new characters and even get characters that you never though you'll find usefull. I think its valuable when a character makes unusual characters their bis teammates.

[@glazedgooch4546]

She isn't worth building unless ur building her as a healer for a nilou comp ong facts.

[@kuvrut7747]

Long before Furina's debut there were leaks that she would drain health. It was confirmed for me with later leaks (and strong push for healers) in banners that were about health manipulation so I pulled on Baizhu and Kokomi on a bet that leaks were true. For new players it is tough. I remember playing phys Kaeya for a long time,. But Furina can work with Noelle and nNoelle is on beginner banner, also Charlotte is with Furina. But I think that she shines more on already built accounts that can spare resources to build healers. Not like Nahida or Kazuha or Raiden that you can just plug anywhere if you're low AR

[@Hiro.the.God.]

I lost my 50/50 as usual and got C1 Tighnari. But I’m not mad like I was when I lost for Zhongli. I do have C2 Jean because I always lose my 50/50 😂

[@cumimimi]

same here 😭

[@yepnope2927]

Always get mona xD

[@salehhasan4932]

C6 qiqi here

[@JosiahHalasz]

As a new player who started F2P in 4.0 and pulled Furina, I'm having fun clearing Spiral Abyss level 10 at the moment. I think she's great.

[@Menarique-m6i]

Wow you progress so fast, i need half year to clear the 10 floor (played since released), maybe because of my skill issue tho 😂😂😂

[@Livtha]

​@@Menarique-m6iI had the same problem let's just tell ourselves that floor 10 is easier after 4.0 now that they removed the cicin mages.

[@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji]

An Archon needing another support to work is the same thing as Zhongli before they buffed him, thankfully he was from liyue which is based on we all know which country so they had to buff him. It could have been only Furina drains her hp like Hu Tao and not her team, by I think Furina was made so Hunter set can be used by non Fontaine characters. Normally artifacts are made for a characters, here we have a character made for an artifact set.

[@Fresh2DeathYes]

The Tash man has been looking out for us for years. A primo is a primo is a primo. If you like her great. But if you want a staple for your account, there are a lot of easier options and better staples for your team.

[@avokonkwo]

There is legit no better support than her

[@Sinisha82]

Good video overall and good point,but we who get Furina know in what we involved haha

[@scaramouche7210]

id agree on c0 furina, building up fanfare takes super long unless you have a great healer, however i fortunetly got her to c4 and shes super broken, no er issues, 3.5 faster at building fanfare, 60 hp , 124% buff im glad her cons are so good for her since i really wanted that c6

[@raymondgara]

I pulled her and I agree with mtashed. It's just not the same felling when I pulled kazuha, raiden, nahida, neuvillete.

[@veloxiraptor9213]

I can't recall: did a lot of people make the exact same "you have to build characters you might not have built already" argument about Nahida? Because...she is a HELL of a lot more narrow and restrictive in her team comps than Furina is.

[@aerohydra3849]

IMO Furina is still one of the most versatile characters in the game. If you look at it, she has more personal damage than either Xingqiu or Yelan, and her teamwide damage buff is unprecedented. Yes, you will need to build healers, but that is simply the price to pay to gain access to a buff that no other unit can match currently, one that is potentially twice as good as Kazuha or Yelan's buff that's also unconditional for the entire team. There's a large amount of healers that work with Furina, not just Jean and Baizhu. Charlotte and Mika are 4 star teamwide off-field healers. The thing about healers is they are extremely easy and cheap to build compared to damage dealers. You don't care about substats when building healers, you don't need to crown your talents, etc.,. You can probably build a dozen healers with the same resin it takes to build a single damage dealer lmao. Also, Furina is IMO leagues above Raiden. I mean, what teams does Raiden even use? Raiden Hyper which is not above other hyper teams, Rational which is not above other single target teams, and Full EM Hyperbloom which can also use Kuki instead? Meanwhile, it's been shown that Furina literally raises the damage ceiling of half of our roster right now. Neuvilette, Hu Tao, Kokomi, even Wanderer, Alhaitham, Cyno, they all have their best damaging teams now as Furina teams. So I really find it difficult to believe that anyone can rate Raiden equal or above Furina. From my perspective Furina must be one of the best 5 stars we've ever gotten if not the best, on par with Kazuha and Nahida and even a cut above Yelan. I feel like conversely, a new player would actually gain even MORE value out of Furina than an existing one. Not only does she have extremely high personal damage but she also diversifies team choices and reduces reliance on older powerhouse buffers like Kazuha, Bennett. Keep in mind that pre-Furina half the roster was shoehorned into using Kazuha and/or Bennett to play optimally. Now with Furina you actually have the possibility of using Jean, Baizhu, Charlotte, Mika, etc., and getting even better results than existing teams.

[@shi-chan5779]

Mtashed has a C2 Raiden so he thinks its the best most insane dps. He doesn know that half of the other dps like alhaitham hu tao neuvilette or lyney do better with the characters Raiden uses. And she is just a dps furina is a support he is just dumb

[@merst899]

@@shi-chan5779 My raiden is C0 and still smashes abyss, but let's just pretend that we'll get extra rewards if we clear with the characters you mentioned!! Actual idiot, what's wrong with thinking raiden is good when she can comfortably clear abyss just like the other units you have in your list.

[@Skewlsout]

Furina is geared towards late-game players. She's decent at C0, but she really starts to get broken at C2. By C6, she utterly destroys everything by freeing up your healer slot and providing insane damage.

[@shi-chan5779]

She not decent at C0 she already is broken. Every team that wants Hdyro or double Hdyro got a damage increase and its huge. She is like the best character in the game easily

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

@@shi-chan5779 Nahida is the best. Furina only boosts de damage of the team and does damage, Nahida makes a lot of dendro teams work and make the team hits like a truck because how bad others dendro units (like all burning teams only work with Nahida) are and buffs your team overall dmg by reactions and have a semi perfect skill to apply dendro and have unique mechanics of the own element that you unlock at C2. You don't need Furina to anything and she doesn't make new things or absolute replace some characters in teamcomps, adn it's not her fault, it's the bad kit of most healers fault, only kokomi and Jean have some good value to the team, but it's not sufficient to solo Nahida value and this is also because Nahida doesn't depend of her teammates to have insane value, she provide insane value (ex: Wide buff of Furina in only a 1 DPS team or healer that only heals and doesn't have anything more special) it's a 2v1 fight and Furina anyway loses.

[@Malcommind]

@@shi-chan5779 not even close

[@shi-chan5779]

@@Malcommind If you want to say kazuha sure. But not even close is stupid, she is top 3 characters easily. What characters would you put above her then?

[@Malcommind]

@@shi-chan5779 nahida easily and it isn't close at all (she Doesn't require you to run any specific sort of units and doesn't actively make you squishier her unique and potent level of dendro is nuts and unrivaled for all dendro teams and the linking is great for focusing the big enemy and accidentally killing off the others she has both high on and off field potential and em buffing and can be slotted into numerous teams with no question and have them still be good....kazuha is arguable he doesn't hurt your teams and has cc and his buff doesn't ramp up over time and require you to hurt yourself and bring a healer.....and their f2p weapon options are pretty good and aren't ehh or ugly looking if you haven't got festering desire like many ppl w furina (though ignore that point thats more a rant) you could also make the argument for sucrose she can also cc can drive onfield vv shred swirls also provide em buffing and to the entire team she can also give elemental damage bonus as well though it takes cons but she is a common 4 star though i wouldn't necessarily say she's "better" but furina definitely isn't top 3 if you put her into a sub category of buffers i wouldn't even put her top 3 there her hydro app is inconsistent and so is her buffing depending on the healer you use which is weird for a character who is supposedly so versatile but requires you run a healer and a team healer at that.......the only arguments ppl make for her over kazuha is her buff being higher even though there's so many hoops you have to jump through to achieve her max buff compared to other characters she has off field presence with her damage but no onfield one unless you get cons her animal targeting is also inconsistent and weird and very single target ftmp raiden is also arguably better w the energy gen and her hyperbloom use cases furina is the only archon that can't do anything significant that nobody else does.....well unless you count hurting your entire team and ig geo buffing but the only time you see that used is in noelle teams you never see her in em otherwise and what geo characters are there to even buff that would make that valuable (noelle albedo...the list ends there) when you really think ab it who runs geo and the ppl that do or will want to in the future will only get a sad shell of one of the main chars being albedo becauss they wont have cinnabar similar to festering for furina....but i lost my point wait a sec....for what he does bennett is better too furina is basically too restrictive to be top 3 anything she is one of the worst archons but its debatable she's very limiting and inconsistent her damage is cool and her buff duration is pretty long but she needs too much to get going the other characters barely need anything to get off their feet id much rather give up furina than several other of my 5 stars but I feel her being so ehh will change as more fontaine chars come out hopefully but rn she's like A+ tier when you actually get all her stuff going for her and arguable s w festering or signature cause then her damage will actually be great she's not unrivaled for what she does like someone like nahida is and isn't as flexible as someone like kazuha or sucrose despite being able to buff more reactions than them due to her limiting nature. But what do you think?

[@banana_1_]

why do you need to abuse her? 75% dmg increase is insane but half of that is 37% and thats also insane

[@chriscrocker3976]

Im so thankful i didn't want any character for the last few months and saved a ton for her. Her power spike at c6 is absolutely insane. The healing she gains from her c6 makes her the most broken character in the game, hands down. It skyrockets her fanfair stacks and gets them maxed super easily so she does insane damage, constantly keeps my whole team topped up, and is the most busted buffer by far. While you can make the argument every character is strong at c6, Furina is easily the largest spike in power cause she becomes an all in one character and let's you free up an entire slot on your team by no longer needing a dedicated healer.

[@flowsky7339]

She's genshin's golden girl - everyone wants her and pulled for her, and when you get her she requires other characters and builds to be functioning. If you think about it genshin is genius for the design of this character - it's just adding play time and money spent for hoyo

[@Cocxy69]

She's not broken, but shes pretty good. She makes healers come back in meta too so thats great

[@lostrefugee]

She's pretty broken with Jean/Baizhu in her team. If she gets what she needs, she gives so much to the team.

[@harryfox3681]

Shes broken, she is a dps increase to so many teams that it redefines what is good dps. lets not pretend being xq/yelan while giving your team up to 75% damage bonus isnt broken when all you have to do to do that is run a healer which teams do anyway

[@Cocxy69]

@@harryfox3681 well that is not true, especially when no healers or better healers were used before. or kazuha or someone, had to be replaced with Jean and all what not. it's balanced enough

[@harryfox3681]

@@Cocxy69 My guy 80k dps teams are a thing now, the previous apex was high 60 to low 70k. A character that does that is rediculous. At worse shes a slight downgrade to the previous best characters in the game and at best shes pushing damage ceilings of teams beyond anything seen before

[@Cocxy69]

@@harryfox3681 I mean obviously, she makes many teams more vulnerable but increases damage a lot. but it's lot like every. she's not broken in any sense then, just really good

[@ZanKisaragi]

8:08 This argument applies to any two character pairing. You have to level up Benny to maximize Xiangling. You have to invest in Xingqiu to maximize Yelan (unless you wanna have her on Fav/Elegy), you have to invest up Fischl to bring Beidou, not to mention hypercarries and reaction drivers that also need their specific units. Building into a healer isn't a Furina/Healer only problem especially if the end result is that you're getting another team core to be used with other characters which is only a few days worth of resin, that you would've used anyways to build another character. Overall, I'm glad a follow up video was made with more testing involve that allowed more insight which was my problem w/ the first video, a conclusion with little to no testing. She isn't a perfect unit but she is really good if you're willing to invest into her and someone to sustain her.

[@dmcpuuff9295]

i have played the game since day 1 and i have a c6 QIQI yet still no jean and i really like furina but not having jean really hurts the diversaty of teams i can make

[@lawfulgoodnun1646]

Just use sayu

[@dmcpuuff9295]

@@lawfulgoodnun1646 it's not the same, sayu is a significant downgrade in healing and her skill can't group at all, unlike Jean who is a subpar grouper But at c6 she gets a lot better so maybe when I get that I will use her, currently at c3

[@tactician3023]

Just pray for cloud retainer next patch

[@猫の仕事部屋]

the Mtashed triology has returned and I'm all here for it

[@azureaurelia5381]

I kind of understood you until you tried to say that Raiden was better. That's absolutely cope.

[@avi8183]

I do agree that she can be a bit hard for new players to make use of. However, don't forget that even new players can find a lot of use of just her e skill for the early game(including heals) while also future proofing their account. Furina can be compared to new elements. Remember how the game changed when dendro was released? That's literally just how it is with furina. You had to build dendro characters and all just like how u need to build healers for furina. Furina is that one character who is already pretty solid, but her potential will only increase by time with more characters. Furina in my opinion is one of the best future proof characters in the game that u can't really go wrong with, unless u really hate her play style which is probably the same for every other characters in the game. I'd put furina right besides. Maybe the tier list will be something like nahida>furina>kazuha (only supports).

[@garagemoney9237]

For me Furina feels like a Kazuha that takes up two slots, which is not great because for example you could choose Kazuha and Yelan instead of Furina and Kokomi, which in most cases the first will be stronger for team damage. The only character I have that works well with her is Neuvillette and honestly I would struggle to find another team where she would be the best option and not an alternative option. Maybe later they can release a character that doesnt just do healing, I know we got Baizhu for dendro based teams which is pretty good.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Jean can VV shred, Jean and Furina do more damage than Kazuha and Yelan. Barbara and Kokomi gives Hydro resknance and thriling tales. Yao Yao and Baizou gives Dendro aplication. Even better if you have more off field DPS units since she buffs all of their damage while Kazuha just buffs who you swirl and Yelan just buffs the on field unit. Furina buffs everyone, not only her own insane damage but also your on field DPS and off field DPS like Xinqui, Yelan, Beidou, Albedo and others.

[@garagemoney9237]

@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn Jean and Furina may do more damage in some cases, but I would strongly disagree that it is always the case. With a healer, Furina buffs all respective elements unlike Kazuha who buffs up to two elements at a time. But you have to consider that the maximum party slot is 4, and the significant damage will be from 1 or 2 of the party members if you also require a healer. Then I can try to use an all subdps team to get the most out of Furina's buff, but I highly doubt that it will be stronger than ones centered around a main dealer. I personally don't find Furina's skill damage to be insane (8 10 talent, C0, fleuv cendre, 35-40 cv artifacts), which is why it is difficult for me to swap out two mix & match supports for Furina and a healer. That is, until they release a one that can heal and also act as a sub damage or has additional buffing capabilities. At that point I think the pair will become extremely overpowered.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

@@garagemoney9237 wtf are you even on? What 2 supports? Name any team halfway decently built using 2 supports? Hu Tao? Yelan, Xinqui, Kazuha. Replace Yelan for Furina and Kazuha for Jean more DPS. Raiden national? Raiden, Bennet, Xiangling, Xinqui. Replace Bennet with Jean and Xinqui with Furina. Dps boost. Name 1 single team that has 2 supports? Furina is not a support she is a off field DPS who does more damage than any other off field dps in the game. Then you add a healer who all add other benefits like VV shreding, Thriling tales or elemental aplication. So what other support does any team need? At any point you will have 3 dps units and a healer, never 1 and 2 and if you do only have 1 or 2 you are quite frankly just bad at team building period. Most Teams use 1 on field dps, 1 anemo shredder, 1 sustain and one off field dps. Furinas team is the same, your anemo and sustain is in 1 unit (jeam and Sayu) and you then bave your main Dps, Furina and any other off field DPS. Furina objectively has more damage than any other off field dps, higher than Fischle, Yelan and Xiangling so she counts as a off field DPS. Then your main dps and any other off fielder. What team do you want to make with only 2 damage units? I literally can't think of a single DPS that wants that in a team.

[@garagemoney9237]

@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn Replying to your comments sequentially: I never said anything about two supports whatsoever. There are many teams more than decently built and some top tier that contain two supports. The replacements for the two teams you mentioned do not strictly lead to a damage increase, the second may in fact lead to a significant damage decrease, as you are removing Bennett who essentially doubles Xiangling's output and similarly boosts Raiden's. Childe International, Ayaka Freeze, Ganyu Freeze, Raiden Hyper, etc. Furina is both a support and sub dealer, as she provides both dmg bonus and off field damage. Also I wish you were a bit more respectful. I have said what I think from experience playing the game over a very long time. Being rude won't make others want to consider your thoughts and opinions at all, which is what you are hoping to achieve.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

@@garagemoney9237 Its always a damage increase except with Ayato. Yes bennet buffs both Xiangling and Raiden but so does Furina. More to the point it makes builds easier because you can replace elemental gobkets with ATK which is a lot less rare and easier to get good sub stats on. Bennet buffs just Xiangling and Raiden, Furina buffs Xiangling, Raiden, herself and added damage via VV shred you wouldn't have with bennet which is massive. It also doesn't restrict you to circle impact and 70% HP. She is better for Ayaka and Ganuye aswell even raiden national. The only ones you mentioned where she isn't a tangible bonus is childe international but Xinqui and Yelan would be bad there aswll so kind of a pointless add. I have built raiden national and hyper carry with them and its a dps boost. Raiden national you go Raiden skill, Furina skill + Burst, Jean skill + Bursg, Xiangling skill + Burst, Raiden Burst + skill then just swing to win. For hyoercarry you go Raiden skill, Furina Skill + burst, Jean skill + burst, C6 Kujou skill + burst followed by Raidens burst + skill

[@shadismith4549]

why are most people complaining about bringing a healer when most meta teams already have a healer to begin with? and why do noobs always say that "hurr durr healers are dps loss hurr durr" when furina herself is a SUB-DPS too? think of alhaitham, nahida, yelan, and kuki, a team with 3 damage dealers and a healer, and is indeed a meta team now think of cyno, baizhu, nahida, and furina, a team with also 3 DAMAGE DEALERS and a healer??? where us the dps loss exactly???

[@Malcommind]

in the kuki example kuki isnt a damage loss the main reason ppl use her is hyperbloom which is braindead damage she's more so used for her damage than her healing

[@markstar0069]

Thanks Tash for speaking the truth about Furina she definitely is not for new players. Late game she should slap because late players should have everything needed to make her work aka healers and a good roster of characters. The real question is how much does she improve your account great vid 💯

[@SeenE-kg9nj]

She is actually pretty good either way, because everyone gets free Noelle. So you can go Noelle Furina Kaeya Xiangling. Also walk on water is a must-pull regardless of her combat ability

[@Menarique-m6i]

Still, her other value for exploration is very good for new players

[@Adan.2005]

To be honest she improves your damage by a lot she that type of buffer that it not a specific character like bennet where you can't get out of his zone or you lose the buff, she basically at kazuha's lvl, what's better about her? That she can work with dendro, geo and anemo as well something that kazuha can't do.

[@huvyij]

​@@Adan.2005 she doesn't have cc though

[@ksontseisont]

Here's the thing. I do agree that many people will not have Jean, Kokomi, or anyone other prime healer that will benefit from Furina's kit. However the reverse is also true. There are some people who either drew these characters 'cause they love them or got unlucky, and not have Nahida, Raiden Shogun or Kazuha. Furina will become the foundation for those characters just as Kazuha, Hu Tao, and other top tier characters became foundations for other players. If you bases it on that logic, then Furina is a really amazing character because she manages to revive dead or weak accounts that were plagued by Qiqis or other healers since they played.

[@ALITPUMPA]

I don’t have a single Jean, Diluc or Qiqi because my C6 Mona said NO

[@Hamorich]

How to piss off kids in genshin community: say (insert popular character) is not broken.

[@Fyafli]

Bro your content is peaking rn, I known about you from genshin release but have never been enjoying your content as much as these past couple months, keep doing what you're doing.

[@GabeHowardd]

Honestly, I'm having a blast playing midrina

[@leonardosevilla6708]

He has a point.... she is amazing as long as you have the right units to max and work together with her. I was lucky enough to have a fully built jean and kokomi. I don't use any other healers with her cuz it feels awkward. But once you have the right team she's awesome!

[@mcgcast]

Hope you had fun grinding Furina.

[@arahgeorge3730]

Solution to all Furina cons: Neuvillette

[@tlr3758]

I know someone thats AR 59 and still doesn't have jean..

[@Divine-General-Mahoraga]

Yeah it's a gacha game. I'm ar 59 without a single Sac or fav sword, not a single 5 star weapon, I only have Mona/Jean from standard banner despite playing for 2 years~ across two accounts.

[@dallio900]

I dont have neither jean or mona since march 2021....

[@polychromaa]

@@Divine-General-Mahoragahow??? You can guarantee a 5 star weapon on the standard banner with 270 acquaint fates in the worst case scenario.if you play the game somewhat often, you can easily get one from the standard banner.

[@whitecheeze_rf]

​​​@@polychromaabecause this game is a gacha and he's not lucky enough to get them??? Or maybe he just don't pull on Standard banner often

[@lawfulgoodnun1646]

Im a day 1 player I didnt get a single qiqi until dehya's banner

[@humantacos9800]

I was disinterested in her until her last archon quest, she went from a weak archon, to not even an archon, to an amazing self sacrificing leader who was made almost as strong as an archon