I Tried Amazon Flex UK As A Side Hustle (worth it?)

[@the_old_dirty_b]

The real side hustle for deliveries in the evening in uk is, take out business insurance and do Chinese or Indian deliveries a couple nights a week..Cash in hand pay no tax, tips plus an evening meal.. If you can't pay your own business insurance sign up to dominios and use their insurance as it covers you everyday of the week

[@RyanA-q2e]

wait so because dominos insures you that means when you want an evening shift for amazon you wouldnt need to take out 3rd party insurance for yourself?

[@the_old_dirty_b]

@@RyanA-q2e no parcel and food delivery are different types of insurance.. if you re-read my first comment I don't mention Amazon at all

[@paulj5080]

Dominoes insurance only covers you for the shifts you work; it doesn't cover you for other business use.

[@RyanA-q2e]

@@paulj5080 cheers mate

[@him050]

I don’t think you understand how business insurance works

[@Premofandabbadozy]

I did Amazon flex for 18 months during Covid and loved every second of it. A little tip to get more money for your block…Have another person register for your region (ideally your other half or someone you live with) and get them to grab a block. Leaving yourself enough time to get to your depot, have them forfeit the block as close to the start time as possible whilst you continuously refresh the new blocks available. Their block will drop back in, but because it is so close to the start time, Amazon will be offering a much higher rate. I would rarely do a 3 hr block for less than £60. And the block would usually take closer to 2 hrs. I only stopped doing Flex because of the lack of blocks available. Great fun (In Norfolk at least), and easiest money I’ve ever made.

[@mld8]

Surely the person can only cancel so many before their account gets suspended

[@Premofandabbadozy]

@@mld8 nope

[@paullord3549]

Here is a reasonable calculation..... 3 hour shift pays £45 and you do 50 miles, deduct £8 for fuel, £1.80 for insurance and £1.50 for wear and tear. That leaves £33.70 so hourly pay is approx £11.24 before tax and NI.

[@tommywills]

A good calculation, and a perfect example why people shouldn’t accept base rate

[@paullord3549]

@@tommywills I do logistics for Amazon and I actually think the mileage I have used is too much. I regularly do a route that is about 140 residential stops and I travel 26 miles there and back and my total mileage including my stops is only 50. For flex I think using 50 miles as an example is way too much so the rate/hour is likely to be quite a bit more than I stated.

[@tommywills]

@@paullord3549 from my experience i think you’re pretty spot on. My average mileage across 7 months has been about 47 miles per shift

[@paullord3549]

@@tommywills that really surprises me. Maybe you have further to go to your delivery areas? I’m doing a mixture of rural and semi rural right now but still only clicking up about 80 miles and that is for about 120 stops and my areas are at least 25 miles from the depot. Big difference for logistics drivers is we get paid for fuel and our allowance is generous. The overpayment for fuel contributes towards my average £6k/year insurance and van maintenance costs.

[@tommywills]

@@paullord3549 yea to be fair i was accepting the 3.5 hour blocks more regularly at the start, and i’ve found the depot tend to send you quite far on those particular blocks. That’s why I opt for 3 hours now as its usually around 30 miles per shift and i’m done in 2 hours max

[@LfKoda]

Letters on a front seat, middle size in the boot, big boxes on the rear seats. Never use flex navigation and use waze :) did it for a year, working 4-6 hours a day, made approx £16k in a year. Not much money, expect to do around 20k miles in a year, that's 2 full services on the car. I loved it, still have an app and account :)

[@jonjohnson2844]

I do Flex occasionally so good to see from another perspective - I had no idea there were numbers indicating the order of the deliveries, I usually just stack them up based on whether they're envelopes, boxes etc...don't forget with your tax you can claim 45p per mile after collection so in most cases this will more than cover it, HMRC will probably owe you money.

[@dwilliams6346]

A good indicator for me whether I should do this, was a guy who works for another similar courier, who's had 4 different vehicles in 3 years. A BMW touring, a Fiat combo, a Ford Transit Connect and now a LWB VW. Every car got absolutely ragged. Unless you know how to do work and servicing on your own car/van to save yourself money, it can soon end up costing a packet.

[@kafu0916]

I do flex but only 2 or 3 times a month. I find it pretty easy, it works well for me as my depot is 4 mins from my house, I have an ev which I can charge for free at my main job so I have no fuel costs. I’ve been lucky that the routes I have had have been close to the depot so mileage & wear & tear minimal & my husband is a mechanic! I think it really depends on the type of car you have & the running costs associated and how far you are from the depot. I tend to take the shorter blocks these are usually the less mileage the time they stipulate is correct I have never gone over in fact I usually finish before the end time. It will not work for everyone but if you need a bit of extra cash every now and then it can be good way to earn some cash.

[@SeaJayBelfast]

Mate, people are giving you too much shit. Excellent video that gives a real view of Amazon Flex. It's not groundbreaking money but it's flexible money. People are stupidly comparing it to a 9-5, rigid schedule job which just isn't a fair comparison

[@tommywills]

Yea I don’t quite get it 😂😅 Appreciate it man 👊🏻

[@fayaazbin-ali5084]

Continue and accomplish your goals. Posting this is also good and your story will motivate others looking for a side hustle. Great work.

[@rob19632]

The cost of using your car isn't just the fuel, more miles means more depreciation, plus you will have more servicing, more tyre wear etc.

[@tommywills]

Of course, but it’s not like if you didn’t do amazon flex you’d never have to pay for those things anyway. It’s not a massive amount more. I’ve been doing it for 7 months and only done an extra 2000 miles on my usual car usage. It’s not that big of a deal

[@utube1818]

I think your underestimating the wear and tear factor of all the stopping and starting, especially on the battery, starter motor and to an extent brakes. You have certainly shortened the life span of these components compared to 2500 thousand miles of ‘normal’ journeys.

[@tommywills]

@@utube1818 even so, i would rather earn £500-£600 a month than sit at home with my car on the drive. Just personal preference. You have a choice to not do amazon 😅 if your car is important to you, then make a decision

[@utube1818]

@@tommywills No need to get defensive mate.

[@tommywills]

@@utube1818 all good man, appreciate your input. Will be helpful to others who come across the video 🤝🏼

[@pintopunteruksmallford1035]

I do it for a bit of extra money in between my day job. Some blocks in the inner cities are a pain in the back side. GPS won’t work properly and you’ll get parking fines galore. I live in a rural area and you do more miles but usually easier block. Best blocks are suburban runs 3.5-4.0 hours 35-45 parcels in that time easy if you’re not dragging your feet.

[@mirandahall162]

Can someone help.. I know this is old video but I’m trying to sign up but says I need commercial insurance. Went to go with inshur but they said I needed to be fully onboarded with Amazon. Catch 22 please can I get help

[@PCG2022]

Top man. I work for Amazon. Been here 7 months and love it! Easiest job I've had for sure for the amount I get paid! and I don't understand why more people are not doing it. Yes it can be stressful with traffic etc at times but what job don't bring stress at times. I start at 11ish finish at 8ish and get paid very well for it :) Whats not to like? I rent my Van for £210 a week with no worries about it! If it breaks then they either send out someone to repair it or simply replace it. :) My insurance etc is covered with in that price as well and If I want to leave I'm not committed to a van on finance etc and can leave when I want.

[@KingKhan20000]

Which specific amazon job is this? Whats it called?

[@PCG2022]

​@@KingKhan20000 I work for a company that covers routes for Amazon. Amazon Flex is the App everyone uses.

[@PCG2022]

@ThePrivateMan3301 Yes Bro £840 pcm and it's nothing to worry about :) It's only 200 a week :) I've considered getting my own van but don't want to get rid of my z14 or my V6 SLK350. I work 5 days and use the van the other 2 if I need it :) Id be on about 1200 a week with my own van! haha :)

[@utube1818]

How much did it cost to go from ‘social, domestic & pleasure’ to full business use insurance?

[@tommywills]

£30 extra for the year personally

[@paulbailey5210]

Hi, I was going through your spreadsheet and I don’t understand where you are getting your mileage expense number from, according to HMRC mileage expense is 45p per mile but yours is working out less than half that.

[@tommywills]

@@paulbailey5210 i dont work out 45p per mile on the spreadsheet. I’m just working out how much the journey cost me. For that, i use an online journey price calculator. When the time comes to do a tax return, that is when i work out how much i get back with the miles i’ve done. Basically, i overpay into the tax pot.

[@lukesmith5201]

I'm looking into doing amazon flex , who is the best insurance for hire and reward insurance as I don't understand it ?

[@aaronwilson8624]

You also need to factor in wear and tear of the car - so mileage + consumables like tyres.

[@nattybizzle]

Hi mate, like just eat etc do they allocate shifts for the following week like a rota aswell as you can pick up offered shifts or is it all about just picking up whatever is available on any given day?

[@tommywills]

It’s just picking whatever is available. They do offer shifts a few days in advance so you can schedule your week, but its usually at base rate which isnt the best

[@MayorSom]

It's great if you have a caddy or similar mini van.

[@tommywills]

How much you making in one of them?

[@fire_stick]

A note on tax, you can earn £1000 without declaring it, when you go over this then you will have to pay the tax and do a tax return.

[@ridlasab]

But when fo you have to pay the tax , is it in one lump sum at the end of the year or fo you pay monthly

[@OM1CH43L]

@@ridlasabI’m not an accountant but I think you pay tax at the end of the following tax year. So you can invest/save it til then.

[@ck866]

@@OM1CH43L You got to register as self employed and you have to pay an estimate called "payment on account" in two installments with the deadline of 31 of july and 31st of january. Then off course once your tax return is done and filed and you still owe some money you will have to pay that one and if you haven't closed your business the "payment on account" carries on

[@me5969]

​@@ridlasabusually in a lump some. Admittedly the return should be done by tomorrow but you can pay as you earn or lump sum. You can request to pay in installments but I think there needs to be a reason as in you can't afford to pay. I'm not sure. I usually pay it off in one go. I'm not sure how the pay as you earn thing works as I've never clicked on that option but there're a lot of apps you can use.

[@dha12oks]

If I recall, you can earn X amount, depending on what tax code you're given.

[@CaptainGG1]

I would assume and wear and tear can be used as tax deductibles ?

[@tommywills]

@@CaptainGG1 yes i’ll be filing receipts from tyre changes and services etc

[@johnjock8252]

Would I still need to register as self employed even with only a couple blocks a week ?

[@CamperVan-K]

Thank you so much for this! Very helpful - especially that download. Much appreciated.

[@tommywills]

thank you for the kind comment, glad you like the spreadsheet!

[@Happytruth]

The moneys shit like most of these jobs and that’s why they get people because of cost of living in the uk.

[@jimbob2826]

This was very interesting. Thanks mate 🎉

[@tommywills]

Cheers jim!

[@SkillMasteryPro]

hi @tommy I have my first amazon flex today. I am nervous. What do i need to take with me, will they give me a reflective jacket etc

[@tommywills]

Just take your driving licence. You dont need a hi viz (well in my depot you dont anyway). So yea just licence and your phone

[@robertbarlow6359]

What about fuel consumption? Just wondered how much of that you learnt in two evenings goes towards fuel. I was laid off over a month ago, so looking for something flexi hour like this.

[@tommywills]

After 7 months of doing it, i’ve averaged about 50 miles per block (thats from my driveway to my driveway). Depends then on how economical your car is. I have a 1 litre Astra

[@udithnadesh7357]

What type of car can I use?

[@tommywills]

Any

[@gs2365]

Thanks for the great video Just couple of question 1. Can you deduct your petrol cost/insurance costs from what you earn when doing the tax return for amazon flex? 2. Do you keep a record of all the every single delivery for the purpose of tax return? This can add up to 1000s of items, how is the best to track and keep a record ? Many thanks If also anyone want to comment on this please feel free to do so. Thanks

[@tommywills]

Hi, thanks for watching! 1. Currently i am yet to file my first tax return on this, however I think your accountant can argue the deduction of these petrol costs with a detailed spreadsheet and a petrol/diesel receipt. I could be wrong so someone please correct me 😂 As for insurance, i’ll be filing that as an expense as i get an invoice each time it renews, so that shouldnt be an issue. 2. I don’t track each individual parcel journey, no. And I think there is no need to do this. That’s just making things difficult for yourself. I just track the entire block, so if i did 60 miles, i track that along with my mpg to give my fuel cost. Have I misunderstood you here? As I don’t know why you have mentioned the amount of parcels? The amount you deliver will have no impact when filing your taxes. It will just be your petrol costs, insurance fees etc

[@gs2365]

@tommywills hi there Many thanks for taking the time to reply to me. That is very much appreciated. Your answers are perfect. You understood me correctly, you are right, I meant number of blocks, not parcels, but even number of blocks can be tricky once they add up unless you put thos on spread sheet every week. So petrol costs can be claimed you think? My petrol receipts will be for my weekly use will be hard to link it to Amazon flex deliveries. I am thinking of doing this part-time just like you. Just completed the onboarding yesterday and am hoping to start this weekend. Seems the price changes with the time of delivery. As with insurance, I am with Insure, pay-per hour, or as you use. Do you think there is any better or cheaper way to cover the insurance ? Considering I wouldn't be doing more than 30 hours a week. If you have any other suggestions for the first starter, please also share Keep up your video. You are very good. Have a nice evening 😊 🙏

[@leejames7964]

Dont forget you can claim running coat back against your tax if your self employed ie car insurance fuel wear and tear on the vehicle aswell as its being used for work. If your washing uniform clam for that aswell. So basicly any out goings you run up while doing self employed work you can use to claim against your tax

[@tommywills]

I’ve heard you can also claim for any food/drink bought whilst on shift. Is this true?

[@benmcglynn123]

@@tommywills Yes it is, keep receipts from absolutely everything you buy related to that work you’ll pay minimum tax if anything when it comes to the end of the year if you have a decent accountant

[@OM1CH43L]

Worth noting that if you have to use your own vehicle at your cost which you do, you can claim 45p per mile against the tax. Means you don’t have to work out the mpg and you’ll most likely get more back… unless you’re using a Ferrari?? Great video though thank you, got my first shift tomorrow!

[@tommywills]

Interesting, thats good to know. Will see what my accountant says when its time to sort the tax return out. Good luck! I hope you didn’t take base rate 👀

[@OM1CH43L]

@@tommywills thank you!! Afraid I did.. there doesn’t seem to be much down in the south west. When do you find is the best time to look for blocks? I’m hoping to do another tomorrow (if it goes well today), but haven’t seen any at all yet

[@tommywills]

@@OM1CH43L i’ve found that between 3pm and 3:45pm are the times for blocks to pop up for that evening, however unless a 3.5 hour block is over £63 and a 3 hour is over £55.50 i usually wait and see if the rates change. Just got to keep refreshing and be quick. Then for the next day, i find blocks come available at around 6pm-7pm the evening before, but again don’t accept base rate. Hold out for as long as possible

[@KareemK-jl3sj]

Update? Hows thingz?​@@OM1CH43L

[@KareemK-jl3sj]

​@tommywills how far do you find yourself travelling?

[@SM0KE_0RIG1NAL]

You’re not factoring in wear and tear, which will far exceed fuel costs, insurance, etc.

[@ishtaiqshahid1289]

Mate i have questions how to change area on Amazon flex

[@tommywills]

If you contact amazon support they can help you with that

[@lexfi8ness]

Hi mate Did you actually asked your insurer to add a business cover to your policy rather than add hire and reward to your existing policy?

[@tommywills]

@@lexfi8ness you got to check if your insurance accepts top up insurance. There aren’t many that do sadly. Its a bit of a non starter with some people as the price for insurance goes way up. One of the big issues at the moment with a lot of flex drivers

[@lexfi8ness]

⁠@@tommywillsthanks mate. My insurance company said they could add a business cover to my existing policy though

[@ashtonwright2038]

Hi mate do I need to complete the accurate background checks first buddy ? Only last time I tried to do it it never said anything about these, thanks

[@tommywills]

Yes you must pass these before accessing blocks

[@ghena2701]

Hi mate,so how much you spend for diesel or petrol per shift?

[@tommywills]

@@ghena2701 depends how far i’m sent. Typically between £7-£14

[@jrobin4708]

Thought about doing this myself but my car does about 20mpg 🙈

[@CosmicPrawny]

Don't forget wear and tear on tyres, brakes, etc. and the fact that I think you drive a Fiesta. Which probably has an Ecoboost engine. And that will be around £1500 for a cambelt

[@tommywills]

Astra

[@CosmicPrawny]

​@@tommywillsmay still have a wetbelt system. Either way the same applies. More than fuel to run a car fella.

[@tommywills]

@lifebydrone thank you mate

[@AliHussein-io4py]

Thank you Tommy for the video

[@sammychan19]

Hi Tommy, how many miles roughly were you doing each shift? Thank you!

[@tommywills]

Average around 50-60 miles, but can be as low as 20 or as high as 90. Always good to keep a record so you know your average

[@ravisharma9683]

How much extra is your car insurance to cover you for this type of business use plz?

[@tommywills]

Not that much but can vary with each provider

[@grimekitty3381]

I would do this, but my current car is not very economical. Maybe when I change cars.

[@tommywills]

You could give it a go still?

[@grimekitty3381]

I have a very impractical car - 24 year old 4 litre sports car lol. Want to upgrade to something more practical soon@@tommywills

[@Neverfiredanyone]

I am having issues uploading the app, any advise?

[@tommywills]

what do you mean?

[@Neverfiredanyone]

@@tommywills the Amazon Flex application on my phone. I can not download it on my phone , getting stuck at the end.

[@rossmcdonald6668]

For one you shouldn't need to have a side hustle to live, this is just a rip off, paying your own insurance and fuel and all the wear and tear on your car you will be working for nothingm

[@tommywills]

Of course no one ‘needs’ to. Depends on your circumstances. I’m earning an extra £500-£600 a month doing this. That’s after i take off expenses. Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it

[@80skid83]

Wrong attitude

[@flintjackson7772]

​@tommywills .. OK so you earn £500-600 a month if: -you have a ecomical car -pretty fast driver -live NEXT to a flex depot So much BS, you are on the pay roll off Amazon it seems, you can already see the stressed out normal amazon drivers making peanuts, now we have mushrooms like you getting amazon even more slaves... pathetic really. Why not mention how many hours you work to make the £500-600 a month? Could someone really earn something worthwhile... no... are you a lonely sado sitting at home alone in the evenings... then Yes.. this is something for you, you get to socialize a bit and add to the clogged up traffic and be a slave for amazon... 👏 👏

[@LoneHorizons]

True, our parents generation didn’t need side hustles just to afford living expenses. They were able to support a family on one salary, go on holiday once or twice a year. Now we’re being sold this idea that working full time isn’t enough and we all have to be doing extra work just to survive. Meanwhile the super rich are taking our money, avoiding taxes and laughing at us.

[@iainansell5930]

as me mate once said 'expenses on £500, is better than expenses on nothing...'

[@icemanjondoe]

i’ve got a 4L v8 amg petrol on the driveway..sadly a shift wouldn’t even cover the fuel bill

[@vladimirgoldman4341]

How did you calculate the tax? f.ex. 49 milesx0.45=22.05/ £46.50-22.05=24.45x0.2= £4.89 /tax, and in your first line Tax Sheet £7.46 how?

[@tommywills]

I’m guessing its the figure after the mileage gets deducted is taxed. Something i’m hoping to get clarity on when i speak to my accountant

[@TheVeyron81]

id enjoy this but the pay is way too low

[@tommywills]

Fair enough

[@jamesparry151]

So, are you paid based on the amount you take? Or the shift you work? Because 30 packets wouldn't take anyone 3.5 hours to deliver, unless the area you're covering is huge (I used to be a Postman for 5 years so I'm just curious)

[@tommywills]

You get paid based on the price of the block you accept. Usually they put the right amount of parcels in so it takes you the timeframe or less. Sometimes they barely put any in and you’re done in under an hour during a 3 hour block. You still get paid the amount you accepted the block for

[@jamesparry151]

@tommywills Ah ok, thanks for replying mate. Cheers

[@alexkapinga2024]

So the flex app is asking me: 1. "Are you taxable for VAT purposes?" 2. "Provide your EU VAT number only. Do not provide the 2 letter country code prefix" What do i do about these? I have no idea what the answer to the first one is... And if it should be yes, i have no idea what my "EU VAT nunber is 😮‍💨.... I'm in the uk and I have a normal job but would like some extra cash 😭

[@tommywills]

I can’t remember how I answered these sorry. There are some really helpful threads on reddit though that may give you what you are looking for 🤞🏼

[@NoHeartAnthony]

Are you a VAT registered business? I’m guessing the answer is no

[@tommywills]

@@NoHeartAnthony no

[@kavishmaster7605]

Nice video and informative description appreciate it

[@figure4customs11]

I was thinking of doing about 5 hours a week doing this.. is that allowed or is that enough?

[@mohammadpanjshiri694]

Business insurance will cover it or a different insurance

[@tommywills]

Nah i thought it would but it doesn’t. Need hire & reward insurance as you’ll be delivering 3rd party goods (parcels) to various locations

[@82NeXus]

@@tommywills Other delivery companies and load finding apps like DeliveryApp and maybe Shiply require you to have GIT insurance (goods in transit) as well. Don't know about Amazon Flex.

[@bobbob-dt2bg]

Hi, im not working at all and have zero income. If i did this would i have to inform the tax man? Great video

[@tommywills]

I’m not fully clued up on this, all i know is you have to pay tax if you’ve earned over £1k

[@james-ted-garland]

You have to inform them and provide a tax return if its over 1k but you won't pay tax until you earn over your tax allowance which is around 12k

[@erich4830]

hi i have questions i have change a insurance car if i i want to work for Amazon Flex?

[@tommywills]

Hi Eric, short answer is no. You use ‘top up insurance’ such as INSHUR. Google them and have a read

[@anant69]

@@tommywills quoted me GBP 5000 a year

[@jamesfell9191]

Inshur insurance is basically worthless with most insurance companies as they don't accept top up insurance. Make sure to check with your existing insurance company.

[@tommywills]

@@jamesfell9191 isn’t a crash or accident when delivering covered under inshur? So you won’t need to go through your personal insurance company? That’s my take on it

[@sprinterdriver4757]

What insurance have you got on a car. You need hire and reward dont you

[@tommywills]

I use INSHUR which is incorporated with Flex, so you only get charged for the hours you work. I pay 62p per hour worked. Just got to check your car insurance accepts top up insurance alongside your policy

[@GFDiablos1984]

Most if not all of them don't on top of that it invalidates Your insurance if You have a top up one.

[@xxnonstopdancingxx]

How long was his working time?

[@raymondbrailey3459]

would they let someone help you or would they have to register as well?

[@tommywills]

Loads of people turn up to the depot with their mate in the passenger seat. Some even have their kids in the back 😂 And no as long as you’re there, anyone can help you out

[@raymondbrailey3459]

@@tommywills Thanks Tommy

[@ace8671]

did i hear that right you work 3 hours ish takeing waiting and driving to depo and delivers and you get £60 to £80 for 2 shifts so 6 hours if thats the case youll be on lesst then min wage so top end 80 / 6 hours is £13.33 then you said its was 20 miles home im going asume you did roughly 50 miles a night useing your calculator and saying your car dose 40mpg a 50 mile trip cost £9.80 so * that by 2 is £19.60 so now we have to update your hourly pay £19.60 / 6 = £3.23 so new hourly rate is £13.33 - £3.23 = £10.01 and where not taking into account tax here that could be £10 plus so £10 / 6 = £1.66 taking that £10.01 - £1.66 leaves you with £8.35. then you have your car to look after. just dont look like its worth it

[@tommywills]

Wrong. My take home is £80ish after tax and expenses are deducted. Not before.

[@ace8671]

@tommywills ah wasn't clear in tye video. how much do you get for a 3 hour shift before all that?

[@tommywills]

@@ace8671 i don’t accept anything less than £60 for 3 hour block. Usually is £63.50 and i am all done in 2 hours (from picking up parcels to driving back to my house)

[@russellstanford4584]

Am I missing something here. If ur doing 3hr slots and u said u earned 70-80 pounds for two slots ur not earning minimum wage when u take just ur fuel off?

[@tommywills]

£80 is after tax and expenses(fuel) is taken off. So 2x 3 hour shifts (where i usually finish an hour earlier) a week for £80 take home isn’t bad personally

[@russellstanford4584]

£80 profit is cool. How much are they paying for the 3hr shift?

[@tommywills]

@@russellstanford4584 it varies. I tend to accept nothing less than £60 for 3 hours and £65 for 3.5 hours. Annoyingly though other drivers accept less than £50 for 3 hour blocks which means Amazon don’t offer as many surge prices at £60 at times

[@craigmbandsoul]

Do you need a minimum amount of time you need to have had your license. I’ve just passed my test about 4 months ago ? Thanks mate

[@tommywills]

I’m not too sure mate, best thing to do is email amazon support and ask them

[@philp7844]

£88 for 6-8 hours works doesn't sound appealing to me. That's pretty much minimum wage. Then you have to factor in using your own vehicle (wear & tear, depreciation, insurance costs, etc). Surely there are better and easier side hustles out there.

[@tommywills]

How many people are going to get this wrong 😂 £88 is AFTER tax and expenses (fuel insurance etc).

[@philp7844]

@@tommywills Still doesn't seem worth it IMO. I know this is just a side hustle but you're still only making £11-£14 per hour. Your also doing this outside the usual 9-5 working hours. Most would expect higher rates for working those sorts of times of the day. I live in the North East and the window cleaners up here charge £8 per house. Our window cleaner gets through the 20 houses, on my street, in 90 minutes. Given this is unskilled work and requires minimal materials, he must make £300-£400 a day. And lets face it, its all cash in-hand so i doubt he pays tax like the rest of us mugs.

[@tommywills]

@@philp7844 £88 over 6 hours (2x3 hour blocks) is £14.67. I almost always finish an hour earlier, which if we are going off hours actually worked (4 hours), it brings my hourly (take home) rate to £22 an hour. Again, that is take home, so thats after tax, fuel, insurance etc is all deducted. It’s easy work. I can tell it’s not for you. And that’s ok 👌🏼

[@dumptonpark]

Thanks for sharing this video.

[@whatsmining9917]

I've been on the list 6 months still nothing

[@tommywills]

Send amazon support an email. I was the same. They told me to reapply as there was a ‘glitch’ with my application. I was registered in 3 weeks

[@me5969]

I used to drive the vans for them and it was incredibly easy to get on. You just do a quick D&A test and tell them how many days you want to work and what days you want to work and give them your usual right to work stuff ect and then go in another day for a class room thing and then do a ride along another day and then you're good. At least that's what happens at the Warrington depot. Don't know if it's like that everywhere but it might be better off doing that? I used to just do two days while I was starting my business so I knew I had income. Plus you use their vans. Just pray you don't get the Merc ones. They're awful.

[@johnmattock1]

After a while the wear and tear on your motor is a massive dent in your income, unless your earning 5 to 600 a week its a dodgy game.

[@tommywills]

Cars depreciate anyway (i’ll admit slightly faster when doing this), may as well earn a bit while you go

[@reeceholden5217]

Is it same day payments?

[@tommywills]

Weekly payments every Wednesday

[@reeceholden5217]

@@tommywills Happy Days, thanks! Just signed up, do you do your own self assessments or do you use an accountant?

[@tommywills]

@@reeceholden5217 I use my accountant personally as they do the rest of my books but I’ve heard it’s fairly easy to do a self assessment if it’s just Amazon Flex. Definitely see if it’s something you can do yourself before paying someone else to do it. Make sure you keep a record of every mileage driven for each block on a spreadsheet as that will help you claim back 45p per mile at the end of the tax year

[@reeceholden5217]

@@tommywills brilliant, thank you!

[@paullord3549]

19 drops in 3 hours? You could do that in less than 1 hour!!

[@tommywills]

30 mins to first drop off, all done in an hour, 30 mins home. 2 hours total, job done ✅

[@ronychowdhury7458]

Hi good to see you’re videos.btw are you from cardiff ?? And i have question its been 2 years am waiting for amazon flex account to make it but still saying we are not looking for new driver is there any way or idea that i can make my account?? Thank you and all the best.

[@tommywills]

Hi. Best to contact amazon support to see if theres a problem. I was waiting ages aswell and turns out there was an issue with their system on their end and they asked me to reapply. Few weeks later i was in

[@Tonyluvsyouu]

just subscribed, how long was each block,, what time do the blocks start and can you do more then one block a day?? great video mate

[@tommywills]

Hi mate thanks for the sub! You can do more than one block a day yes. I’ve been tempted to do a 2:30-5:30 then a 6:30-9:30 but i was busy in the evening 😂 Blocks can vary, but it says when you get offered the block how long its meant to be. I usually stick to 3 hour blocks and aim to secure at least £55, then on the occasions where 3.5 hour blocks are offered then anything over £65. I answer all my questions in this comment section, so have a read down and you’ll see more questions and answers. If not, ask me some more and i’ll get back to you! 👌🏼

[@82NeXus]

@@tommywills Great info on pay rates, thanks 👍

[@martinhunt6004]

I think that by the time you add up all the costs you will find that you are working for far less than if you decided to flip burgers or clean office toilets part time. Most self employed driving gigs are not value!

[@tommywills]

7 months in and averaging about £19 an hour (£13.50 minus tax and expenses). Its enjoyable to be fair 👌🏼

[@martinhunt6004]

@@tommywills I see. Could you fully break this down showing all expenses and earnings/ if it pays that well I might start.

[@tommywills]

@@martinhunt6004 I’ve done a video recently explaining all my earnings so far, give it a watch and let me know what you think 👌🏼

[@juslearnin730]

Do u have to be over 21 or older for Amazon flex? I wana get into it I’m 19 yrs old

[@tommywills]

It says online 18 or older

[@JoshKing-i2u]

88.90 across 2 4 hour shifts.................thats less than minimum wage

[@tommywills]

It was 2x3 hour shifts, and i finished an hour early on both. That’s also after tax and expenses. It’s definitely above minimum wage 👍🏼

[@bulltraderpt]

Wear and tear on your vehicle, I wonder what that is like?

[@Addmepliz]

Do you turn your car on and off each time you deliver or just leave it on? Just asking as some areas I feel it is unsafe to leave your car unattended even for 2 mins to drop off the parcel, does this add to the wear and tear switching your engine on and off constantly? Also, what app do you use to track mileage and how do you track your petrol costs?

[@tommywills]

I always turn my car off, take my keys and lock my car. Just got into the habit. Better safe than sorry. It may ever so slightly/barely increase the wear and tear, but its better than your car getting nicked altogether in my opinion. I don’t use an app. Haven’t actually looked to be fair. I use a google spreadsheet. Ive linked it in the description. If you want to use it, make a copy of it and rename. Please don’t request access! 😅

[@Addmepliz]

@@tommywills excellent thanks for your response, very useful video as well, keep it up!

[@iainansell5930]

@@tommywills a hybrid would be pretty good for this, if the engine is warm, when you start up and go, it would always run in battery mode to start with, and hybrids are designed for the engine to turn on and off with traffic and battery levels...

[@Viewer-discretion-is-advised7]

Sounds pretty crap to me! 30 odd parcels will be like 20-30 drops which is a lot of stopping and starting, pay for your own fuel, have to have business insurance for deliveries which is expensive, the wear and tear on your car with like the tyres, brakes etc alone would make it not worth while as most car replacements and repairs are expensive and cost you like all your disposable income nowadays. After all your expenses the time it would take you to complete all the drops would take most of the day so you get less then £100 for a full days. I worked for a third party that had a contract with Amazon it was the worst job I’ve ever had I lasted 3 months once you factor in the hours your working the expenses it works out to minimum wage or less. You might aswell sit at home if your not earning above 20k it’s simply not worth it the stress, the BS of a mondane boring job I don’t believe you should be paying any taxes below 20k earnings it’s modern day slavery in my opinion.

[@tommywills]

Hello, Insurance is 60p per hour, so a 3 hour block would cost £1.80. Hardly breaking the bank. Of course your car will be used more than normal. It’s a trade off to earn money at the end of the day. However i would prefer that as the trade off than a part time job where i am contractually obligated to fulfill hours of work with no freedom. As for car parts and repairs, depends on your car. I see some really expensive cars rock up at the depot. Couldn’t be me. I have an Astra. Easy to fix. After expenses and fuel costs you’re looking at roughly £13-£14 per hour take home, providing you wait for the surge prices. Base rates aren’t worth it. The blocks are pretty spot on with how long it takes. I usually finish a 3 hour block in 2-2.5 hours and a 3.5 hour block in 3 hours… thats including driving back home. It’s easy work and it’s a way to earn a bit of extra money. If it’s not for you, then fair enough

[@jukingabout]

If you can claim 45p per mile for expenses as per gov.uk, it's supposed to be "a flat rate for mileage instead of the actual costs of buying and running your vehicle, for example insurance, repairs, servicing, fuel."

[@iainansell5930]

@@tommywills ... and if you have a hybrid, its designed for stop start stuff, once the engine is warm enough, you'll only ever start in battery electric mode

[@Viewer-discretion-is-advised7]

@RandomShart Work doesn’t pay at a certain wage and amount with how the current taxation system works that’s the problem. Im pointing out how for some people staying a home may be a better option rather then work a job they hate that doesn’t pay more then they would get for being at home. if you earn below average salary you should not be taxed on it the threshold should be 20k anything over tax starts. This makes work pay all the money your earning doing those crappy jobs your able to keep to cover all your basics and actually be able to enjoy life that’s something worth working for and makes people Want to contribute however working all the hours in that crappy job and then having to give away a chuck of it to the government to waste on BS leaving you to struggle to cover the basics and not be able to enjoy life then that doesn’t really Motivate people to work and want to contribute society has to benefit and work for everyone in order to function.

[@Viewer-discretion-is-advised7]

@RandomShart The government imports 1000s of them every year it’s a reality you’re paying for. I work by the way but resent it with the way things are. Even people who don’t work still spend money so it does just get put back into the economy by them consuming, rich people tend to horde wealth which in a way is taking money and resources out of the economy making as less to go round.

[@erich4830]

how much you make a week?

[@tommywills]

It depends really.. i aim to do 2 or 3 shifts per week and aim to only accept blocks of either 3 or 3.5 hours over £60. So if i was to go off a minumum £60 a block, did about 60 miles (my average) at 35mpg (my average), and did that twice in one week, I would earn minumim about £80 after tax and petrol deductions. January is being a bit slow and Amazon are offering pennies, but around Prime day and Xmas is where you earn silly amounts. I did a 3 hour block for £98 in december 😂 so from that shift alone I took home about £76 after tax and petrol deductions. Most I’ve took home in a week was £305 and that was at xmas time and I did 4 shifts

[@82NeXus]

@@tommywills This comment section is gold! Thanks for putting all this info up here, it helps people like me who are thinking of getting into delivery driving! I'm trying to produce a rough estimate of what my monthly earnings would be likely to be and it's quite hard to find recent, realistic pay rates, so thanks for that, and the fuel consumption. I don't really trust the estimated rates given on courier company websites. Your figures might be usable as a basis for what to expect to get from other delivery work I guess? The pay does seem quite decent? Depends on your personal expenses though. If you live on your own and have kids to support for example it might seem pretty low, even if you could do it full time.

[@tommywills]

@@82NeXus yea exactly mate it’s all depending on your situation. I think personally I wouldn’t try and do it full time as you’d be going day by as to how much you’d actually earn. It’s probably perfect if you need a little side thing for the evenings. It really boosts your money/savings each week

[@kylekerr2935]

Nice to see a KZbinr actually giving useful information like how much your bing paid for the work etc @@tommywills

[@southcoastairsports]

you WILL NOT get £20 an hour I have done flex and the most you will get is £17

[@tommywills]

In some cases you do if you get lucky with a very good surge rate, especially around Christmas. Definitely not all the time though

[@s2rboytc472]

I do Amazon it was fun because I have a friend working at Amazon and giving me the nearest rote

[@tommywills]

Thats so handy

[@carcatalog]

What is the app called

[@tommywills]

It’s the amazon flex app

[@starfootball6478]

Bro can i work full time in Amazon flex? If i work is it worth? Please let me know

[@tommywills]

I’m pretty sure theres a 24 hour a week rolling cap, so you can’t do no more than 24 hours every 7 days. However if you do a 3 hour block every evening, you are only doing 21 hours which is good. You might be better off doing this and maybe get another part time job alongside

[@Realworldnews247]

It’s actually not bad money if you don’t pay tax 😂

[@tommywills]

init hahah

[@hungrywolf4454]

😮 £80 a week doesn't seem a lot really for 2 shifts a day of 3 hours a day. And to use your vehicle which is more wear and tear of the miles and to use diesel and petrol doesn't for the journey. To me it doesn't seem worth it. 😢

[@tommywills]

Its 2 shifts a week at 3 hours per shift, so 6 hours a week. The £80 is AFTER tax, petrol and expense is deducted. You got it all completely wrong 😂😅

[@hungrywolf4454]

@@tommywills that's what I meant a shift for 3 hours. 2 shifts times 3 is 6. And you think that's a lot money. Not even worth to step in your car for that amount 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tommywills]

@@hungrywolf4454 £80 for 6 hours work after tax is pretty good. I usually finish 1 hour early so if you really want to be particular it's £80 for 4 hours. Before tax/expenses, works out about £120 for 4 hours work. Again, it''s all subjective. Not every video on the internet has to apply to you mate. 😆

[@pauljames2407]

I’m confused to why you think it’s worth it. You say you earned £88.00 for two days eg two shifts. That’s £44.00 a shift , Then you have to pay your own tax & Ni out of that. Plus I don’t know how many miles you did in each shift but in the Video you ended up 20 miles from home. So minus the fuel & the wear & tare on the car plus extra insurance. Then your self employed so time & effort to fill out self assessments forms. And as you’re self employed you have no sick pay or holiday pay either. So your prob on what £8 an hour after costs removed & travel plus loading times from start to finish. Your better off doing a part time job anywhere employed as min wage in April is £11.44 ph plus holiday pay & they pay your tax & Ni & there might even be sick pay. No extra insurance out lay or fuel wear & tare or worrying about you tax bill at the end of the year & no paper work. You should also think about your safety or your cars , as any one can see you go off doing deliveries & your car is full of parcels.

[@tommywills]

Hi Paul, you’re wrong. These days never take a shift below £60. I tend to do about 52 miles on average… that’s starting from my home and ending at my home, so all that is taken into account. Tax and mileage taken off that leaves about £42-£45 for 3 hours of work, so I would take home £14ish an hour after tax and expenses. I always end up home half an hour before the block is meant to end aswell, so I technically would earn more than £14ish per hour. 3 shifts a week at that rate and thats £126 extra a week that is yours to spend or save. £500 a month. If it’s not for you, it’s not for you. But I enjoy the flexibility, the job is easy and the earning potential is very good.

[@mohammedmiah2594]

How many hours a week can you work?

[@tommywills]

As many as you want

[@craigbackhouse745]

It's definitely capped mate, I've been doing flex for 4 years, look into it.

[@tommywills]

@@craigbackhouse745 i seen on reddit its about 24 hours. Comfortably under if you do a 3 hour block every evening 👌🏼

[@TheDimz777]

Hi Tommy, thanks for the video. Can you recommend which insurance company offered the best quote? Also what are they charging?

[@tommywills]

Hi mate. Thanks for watching! I went through INSHUR, who are teamed up with Amazon Flex. It’s pretty easy to set up, and you only pay for the hours you work. So i think i pay like 60p an hour or something like that, so a 3 hour shift would be £1.80. They link to your Flex account, so they will see how many hours you work, and then will deduct that amount from your pot (they take about £24-£25 up front to cover 40 hours of work and put it in a pot on your INSHUR account).

[@lukesmith5201]

​@tommywills did you just select which hourly rate you wanted with inshur? I'm not sure how it works ? I have my own vehicle with thiRd party insurance but it says you need hire and reward insurance as well ?

[@michellesheridan3159]

We’ve a campervan.. I’m seriously thinking of doing this. Thanks for the video. 🙌

[@DannyFox1987]

Dont

[@nattybizzle]

@@DannyFox1987why?

[@DannyFox1987]

@@nattybizzle very little work and your car will het absolutely recked and they just dont pay enough.

[@kevh3113]

learn a trade like joinery, £20 per hr half day Friday don't waste your life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mihaiboldor5417]

What time do you usually get the mornings shifts?

[@tommywills]

I’ve only ever seen morrisons deliveries in the mornings, but usually around 8:30am for the 9:30 blocks and then like 10am for the 11:30 blocks

[@bobbob-dt2bg]

What happens if you can't deliver a parcel because the person is not home? Do you have to deliver the parcel the next day?

[@tommywills]

They will give you a few options.. you can either put it in a safe place and take a photo (i’m against this as customers will always just say someone nicked it to get their money back and your driver score goes down), or you leave with a neighbour. If all that fails, you click undeliverable and you take it back to depot at the end of your shift

[@45ounce]

Just signed for the waiting list 🤞

[@tommywills]

Nice one! Took me a while to get through but hopefully they push people quickly as its xmas

[@markharriers4694]

When I do flex I find the shifts can vary so much some can be easy but some can be horrendous especially city centre deliveries!

[@tommywills]

Oh massively. Theres pro’s and cons. You can bang out a 3 hour block in like 1.5 hours in a city centre because every stop is so close. Would take that over a rural route any day. Cannot stand delivering to farms! Worst one I did was a rural route that was 50 miles away, but only 6 packages. Ended up totalling 115 miles for the block. Was fuming

[@markharriers4694]

@@tommywills totally agree! Interesting what you say about looking for slots as in my area you do have to be on the refresh for a very looooong time!

[@tommywills]

@@markharriers4694 I’ve found now having done it for 7 months, evening price surges occur between 4:30-5pm. Usually around 4:50pm. Well, thats my area anyway. Not sure if it’s any different in other areas. It’s been pretty good at the moment, presumably because of the Spring sale on Amazon and also less drivers due to Ramadan with Iftar being around the time the evening blocks start. I never take a block below £60 now, it’s just not worth it. And yeah it’s crazy how quick the blocks appear then disappear 😂

[@markharriers4694]

@@tommywills oh really il have a play today and see if it works like that for my area

[@tommywills]

@@markharriers4694 surge happened at 4:20pm today for me

[@MoondyDavidsonDumont]

This was very interesting

[@piping9153]

Using your own car and insurance to deliver for Amazon. We're fucked

[@tommywills]

It’s a personal choice. Don’t be upset 🙂

[@iainansell5930]

to be fair, you would if you were self employed and a lot of people use their own vehicles to drive to and from work...

[@Kumari_44]

Deliveroo pays the same, if not better. Just build a cheap ebike and enjoy making £50 per four hour shift. No petrol. No tax. No mot. No insurance. No heavy wear & tear.

[@tommywills]

Tried to get on deliveroo but quite difficult in my area. Also i heard unless you’re in a city it’s pointless, which i’m not sadly. Might try it still 👌🏼

[@SeaJayBelfast]

That's awful pay and it's relatively high risk. You're constantly cycling during busy/dark hours in cities.

[@Kumari_44]

@@tommywills yeah, i do it in london so it pays pretty well for a gig job. In more rural areas it deffo won’t be as good.

[@Kumari_44]

@@SeaJayBelfast for a normal job, of course its not great pay. But for a gig job its pretty okay. These are meant to be side jobs. Not full time job replacements. Cycling in the city and at night is only dangerous if youre not a confident cyclist and if you aren’t streetsmart. You dont do this job in dodgy areas. You stay where its safe.

[@johnhawkinshawkins1284]

wear & tear on your car + maintenance all tax deductible. I presume you're single? You'd earn more on the dole....

[@tommywills]

£88 is after tax and expenses deducted from 2x 3 hour blocks.

[@jamesfell9191]

Even on inshur's own terms and conditions it tells you that that your existing insurer needs to accept top up insurance. "No cover will be provided under this policy outside of any Actual Time Driven. It is therefore vital that you have a valid Underlying SD&P Policy which allows You to have supplementary cover for the carriage of goods for hire and reward". Its all a big con be careful. Its all fun and games until you have an accident and neither policy will pay out

[@tommywills]

Good point. My insurance accepts it, but great tip for everyone else 👌🏼

[@practicing1]

no one is paying £20hour, fraudster trying to sell youtube videos

[@tommywills]

😂😂 lighten up mate

[@practicing1]

@@tommywills Light hearted people don't try to scam the public for Amazon's benefit

[@tommywills]

@@practicing1 sorry how am I scamming 😂 can you not see the question mark next to the ‘£20 an hour’ in the thumbnail? Clearly didn’t watch the video. I gain nothing from sharing my experience delivering for Amazon. You do know you can scroll past videos like this if you don’t like them 😂

[@practicing1]

@@tommywills Your defense is also dishonest

[@tommywills]

@@practicing1 ok mate 😂

[@DaveGreen-j8c]

l0l

[@top5tings]

drivers should use the coin app to mine xyo whilst youre driving.

[@janesaroma]

this video should be called "i don't get paid enough to live; nor do i get paid a real living wage for working full time, so to help that i work slave labour twice a week to keep my head above water".

[@tommywills]

Calm down, Jane

[@fredscratchet1355]

Surely it's a personal choice Jane. If you don't want to do it then don't. Simples.😂

[@80skid83]

Still better than him not working at all, plus ppl get their parcels delivered. So both sides are happy, you dig ?

[@Razmatazuk]

I'm thinking of doing it and using the extra income to buy crypto and stocks. I earn good money in my job, but if I want to get to over a million in investments I think and extra £500 p/m income would help nicely 😊