I Tried KEYSI (close combat)

I Tried the Keysi Fighting Method and it was BRUTAL.
Big thanks to Alan Baker for showing me the ropes!
www.sifualanbaker.com and ‪@KevinLeeVlog‬ for being a great camera man!
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[@SenseiSeth]

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[@spookyninja4098]

Lee Morrison fighting method Urban Combatives is very similar but better than Keysi I think

[@mircow.]

At the end, @SenseiSeth, you said you kind of liked especially the guard: maybe then try „Crazy Monkey Defense“ by Coach Rodney King, which is great for stand up punch protection, too, even bareknuckle! Also there you have kind of a „ram“ and cover, too , the 3-point Cover for example (there are plenty of that covers for cover, crash, counter to clinch or to ride the storm of some punches to then engage to clinch, or to disengage, depending on styles, systems and instructors: Craig Douglas: default cover, ISR Matrix: Helmet/ Cover, Gracie Jiu Jitsu „rhino block“ to headcover to getting to clinch safely, etc, etc….

[@lyts-mz4tq]

can you make a video of you taking a judo class again or tournament because I enjoyed it and everyone I showed it to liked it

[@frankignatius2507]

​@@spookyninja4098Urban Combatives is awesome. Michiel Mulder is a fantastic teacher. Combining both systems would be very interesting. Whatcha think?

[@Xeme.]

Hi sensei Seth. I love your videos but i feel like you forgot a big martial art that started in France. I'm talking about parkour! I was always curious if learning and mastering parkour was good for self defense as it teaches you to get out of bad situations much more better than the average, allowing you to take even the most unlikely of scenarios and make them seem survivable. Thanks for reading, big fan ❤

[@hard2hurt]

"Give me a good bump." I took a deep breath and did as I was told, crashing forward into Alan's barrel shaped chest, albeit as gently and politely as I could. Alan was patient and measured, coaxing me to hit him, "Yeah... a little more." I increased the pace, driving myself into Alan's body several more times, until finally he was forced back a few steps. I felt like I was on top of the world, "Whoa..." "Right! That's the ram attack." "I like that..." We continued... colliding with one another again and again. With my cheeks aching from the wide grin on my face and my hair a disheveled mess, I reveled in the moment. Alan expertly timed his breathing and balance to coincide with mine. I was free to give him everything I had. There were no expectations... so there could be no mistakes. No matter how hard I went, I couldn't hurt him. I felt free. I felt safe. I felt like I could do anything. I felt like I could say anything. "You're very sturdy..."

[@defaultoandores626]

That's coming out of fucking left field

[@pcport2698]

Reading homoerotic smut written by Icy Mike in the comments section of a video was not on my 2024 bingo card.

[@tristram0073]

You have too much time on your hands 🤣

[@topis6987]

That's something straight out of some anime :D

[@drizzypuffs523]

This Chat GPT text is getting out hand

[@TheElbowMerchant]

Is this the martial art they used as the base for Batman's fighting style in Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy? Either way, you have my undivided attention.

[@MatthewSedgley]

It is indeed

[@TheElbowMerchant]

​@MatthewSedgley I always forget its name, but I immediately recognized the "hair combing" blocks and elbow series.

[@MaxMordecai-qg5rd]

Yeah

[@sirseigan]

Quite a few systems have adopted that very block though. I can name three just on top of my head and I have seen a few more I do not remember the name of.

[@MatthewSedgley]

@@TheElbowMerchant I remember it by the Batman punch to the hamstring in the penthouse fight

[@CoolToMe_]

Seth, you fill me with all the random martial arts knowledge that i can tell my friends about, who don't care about martial arts. Keep up the excellent work.

[@TheElbowMerchant]

Cool to see an MMA on Point contributer in Sensei Seth's comment section 👌

[@CoolToMe_]

@@TheElbowMerchant Love me some Sensei seth!

[@RainDelay]

Max, good to see you here!

[@archangel98632]

Shout out to the Casey Jones reference 😊 If we ever see him again in a TMNT live-action movie, he BETTER use Keysi. With hockey stick, golf club, and baseball bats 🏒

[@vipe650r]

This is the way.

[@Sarara14]

A José Canseco bat!?! Tell me you didn't pay money for this!

[@caseyneal1277]

As a Casey of the two Casey Jones I know of the TMNT one was always my favorite.

[@johnlloyddy7016]

Unfortunately, Casey Jones from TMNT live action died in prison after years working as an undercover cop in Chicago P.D. and getting arrested for the murder of the man who killed his friend's son.

[@smashingtheadam]

I trained with Alan in Atlanta briefly before I moved away. That man is a MONSTER. I mean that as the highest possible compliment.

[@OldBadger1]

That is the type of guy that can make ANY martial art work.

[@spiritualtaurus7942]

That must have been awesome. These are the types of guys you wanna train with. I myself have trained with Amit Himelstein from Israel, Very good at his craft of Krav maga.

[@primarch40K]

Tom Cruise uses this in his first Reacher movie. Very cool. Thanks for the video.

[@lordspork]

He also uses it in Mission Impossible 3.

[@Deadpoolinho]

Reacher talked about this in the tv show too when he ran into the venezualian hitmen.

[@damianwayne8229]

also Christian Bale in The Dark Knight Trilogy

[@mixedmartialnutrition1746]

so muay thai

[@cdcolquitt]

Having known Alan for many years, he is what we commonly refer to as “the man”

[@KevinLeeVlog]

💯💯💯💯

[@palisage]

Invite this guy to the next self defense showdown

[@JimmySaint43]

I can see the value of the system in certain limited applications, such as fighting in confined spaces, however if I can avoid letting my attacker get close to me to begin with (teeps/push kicks, leg kicks, footwork etc.) I'll take that option. I think KFM would be great to incorporate into other training methods i.e. Muay Thai, MMA etc. as it gives you good tools to use in a space where you don't have room for kicks or grappling. Another great vid Seth! Oos!

[@bounce510]

Conceptually that makes sense but it leaves out two specific things, if you are striking to keep the person at distance it means you likely haven't been attacked yet and should be looking to deescalate/escape or that you are purposefully choosing to engage in a fight. Not every instance will fall into one of those two but most will. Legally striking first is a mixed bag, some states and countries will recognize it as legitimate but many will require you to have been attacked before you can claim self defense.

[@suhdoekin8998]

Why not just always practice both equally? Most Fighters that prefer range, lack close combat, and vice versa. Just absorb everything, and use the tools when they're required. That's the mentality of a Martial artist.

[@bigh6109]

This isn’t for ring cage or agreed upon fights. This is when you have unintentionally being cornered or surrounded.

[@bigh6109]

@@suhdoekin8998There is a statement a response or a condition which the name escapes me just now but it is when people have too many options due to their extensive knowledge through training. It states the brain can actually be overwhelmed by choice and it causes a delay and a kinda reset because it can’t act on one definitive outcome to approve. If i remember i’ll call a meeting (keep your pagers on) 😂

[@Jamoni1]

Run some drills where a decent grappler tries to close distance and you try to maintain it with only striking.

[@lemmycetay9632]

Seth learning the basics of cqc

[@help_27]

what a thrill

[@hansuri401]

CONSECUTIVE C! Q! C!

[@onerider808]

Lol, as if

[@thewhistlehasbeenblown]

@@help_27 When silence meets darknessssss through the nightttttttt

[@olvolv71]

the thing is that you cant tell if his system is effective since there is no sparring. A few things he showed will probably work because you see similar stuff in Muay Thai/MMA 4oz gloves. Blocking with forearms is not a new concept and elbow strikes arent either.

[@swaroopks9710]

What if they punch u in the stomach?

[@ElDrHouse2010]

I heard their arguments there is a way to defend by crouching down on your guard but it's risky. They are right that protecting the head is the most important thing, problem is irl (without boxing gloves) it's hard to protect both the head & the torso simultaneously. You gotta give up one. I rather prioritize head defense thats where my wrinkly flesh computer is at 🧠.

[@naturelife418]

muay thai?

[@cdngravy844]

Get stronger core 🤷

[@ElDrHouse2010]

@@cdngravy844 This. You can train your abs to become sort of an armor but you cannot train your face, so its obvious what is more important when defending, its the BRAIN.

[@dakotamerriman872]

Take it like a man lmao

[@Hunter12365]

Batman's fighting style ❤😋😋

[@gregory4154]

Yeah I love those fictional concepts. So real.

[@Hunter12365]

@@gregory4154 jeje, no. I meant that in the cristopher nolan batman trilogy, the fighting style of batman in those movies is keysi 🤪

[@nostalji93]

@@Hunter12365 Is it? I guess its just messy fighting sometimes, but Batman rarely gets cornered like this or uses a guard like this. He literally just takes blows and let his suit absorb most of the force. What we saw here from Keysi is basicly a boxing guard to protect your head. In reality it would not prevent any attacks to the body or below. Even a single trained boxer would give you a liver punch of doom if you keep a guard like that. Most martial artist would just destroy your leg with a single kick while your focus is somewhere else. If three people attack a man like that no chance in hell his angry staring will help him to win that fight. You simply cannot fight of 3 man attacking you at the same time. I like the instructor and his attitude and I do think its effective, but I think there are better techniques for self defense. All revolve around avoiding to get in a situation like this and give you enough time to RUN.

[@ikapatino3214]

That's why he looks so goofy.

[@ComeAlongKay]

@@nostalji93I don’t know, maybe you can.

[@bw5020]

I think concepts could be good as a good augmentation to what you already have

[@renanselmo8664]

never heard of this martial art until now, hope to see more of this.

[@MatthewSedgley]

that pfp caught me off guard lmao

[@Hyde0991]

I remember it was used in the Dark Knight trilogy and the Tom Cruise Jack Reacher movie but it looks like it’s coming back.

[@onerider808]

It’s made up. If you practice boxing or any legitimate fighting style, your learn the (few) parts that are real and work. No sane fighter (or any fighter for that matter) gives up his ribs and abdomen like this. This is Dillman-quality bullshido

[@darrellwilliams1714]

It's like the style from the dark knight movies

[@naif555]

@@Hyde0991actually, in jack reacher, they use defence lab, a method created by Andy Norman, co-creator of KFM

[@enoughofyourkoicarp]

I don't know about wig but it's definitely manga protagonist hair.

[@DesiRush1]

Only in a "school delinquents" manga . . .

[@ajclmt]

Casey Jones 🏑👺 (There's no hockey mask emoji...) RIP

[@bocahcebol2815]

Didn't his mask kinda look like skull? I think that woul do 🏒💀

[@ajclmt]

@@bocahcebol2815 NOICE! Yes 100% 🐢 Cowabunga!

[@MichaelAres]

Muay Thai guys just eyeballing that open liver for a sweet juicy kick 😂

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Or just a teep or leg kick in most situations If you wanna do any of this, then you gotta get REAL close to your opponennt for these things to not happen. But now you'll get them clinch you, throwing knees, taking you dowm. So you'l have to learn all that as well

[@adamwhite3811]

Or any good striker / boxer. It's the first thing I thought when seeing it, that's a really exposed body

[@bocahcebol2815]

That's what I'd like to know. Because those fighter who focused on their kick (either Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Taido, Capoeira, and co) when they see that juicy rib cage was unguarded would be like.... Yumm~

[@Ilethsamael]

he does say though at the beginning that they explicitly did not train for body shots during the video. Looking how the guy moves, his basic stance is more bent forward kinda like a shrimp while varying height with the guard and head. So it would be harder to find a specific spot. Granted, this looks like a good martial art for brawls more than a good one for competition. I guess it has potential though.

[@mattb8412]

Yeah but it’s clearly leaning toward self defence in a scrap rather than competitive combat. We tend to revert to our discipline, spot the openings we know and overlook what isn’t familiar. I can’t say any of this blows me away either but that guard is fascinating none the less.

[@AC57001]

it's honestly kind of goofy. no pressure testing either. it's kind of funny to hear seth act like alan is scary when as a very competent striker he could likely beat him up easily

[@CyberSecureCitizen]

I had a friend of mine from highschool that practiced Keysi, my boxing background was just unbelievably useless when doing drills with him

[@watamutha]

It's hard to punch through that elbow shell defense.

[@nicholascalin5396]

​@@watamuthabody shots

[@excaliburturkey8208]

how did he do against body shots?

[@nicholascalin5396]

@@excaliburturkey8208 they probably didn't do body shots because they were doing their "drills" instead of sparring.

[@excaliburturkey8208]

@@nicholascalin5396 oh yeah I read it as sparring, but still, if you're doing drills you do drills for the torso too, it's the most important thing after your head

[@LiquidAnomaly]

i wanted to be a hater, but i love it

[@projectrain2254]

Seth, if you liked Keysi then you'd love a style called 52 Blocks🔥

[@Sarara14]

Was thinking the same. Tho I imagine 52 would be more versatile, since it has more guard positions and attacks

[@horiturk333]

52 blocks is just prison BS that’s been mixed with other stuff and the founder is a dbag

[@alricmetalheart4125]

The original 52 blocks from filipino Panantukan is more or less the parent art of Keysi.

[@catsandswords]

I was looking for someone to mention 52. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it. I'd love to see a video with Diallo Frazier or Lyte Burly

[@Carnerd101]

I can imagine if you're being jumped into a gang, some of this would come in handy.

[@Vazlist]

Keysi is pretty interesting, but why are you so concerned about your hair?

[@anthonychandler9205]

I really enjoy seeing the fighting system in actual fighting situations. Very effective fighting system for sure from what I see so far. However, It looks like it has some blocking styles from silat, wing chun, boxing blocks and muay thai. To be brutally honest, it's a another form of the 52 blocks fighting system. Expect that your constantly moving your arms, elbows, shoulders to block and throw someone off of you and wrist to block, strike and lock all in one application and / or technique if you really know what your doing with the 52 blocks fighting system. Especially if you are in a bind for real for real.

[@vadic06]

The constant moving of the hands on the head going back and forth looks like if barbers had a secret martial arts against angry customers

[@BlackFolioStudios]

The guard is very similar to what we do in Modo Mitis with our closed offensive stance. It isn't exactly the same but about 90% similar.

[@brianmoore203]

A solid defense that can quickly convert to the offensive I can see with further training and experience you can create and control situations like the instructor said a will to survive but also a willingness to fight is imperative

[@excaliburturkey8208]

I'm interested to see how this style deals with body shots and knees as Alan implies at 11:57 "we haven't trained the whole body" , I reckon kicks probably wouldn't be used because of the range, but the body is so open in the guard he taught, even if body punches would open the head knees are still a viable option, and despite the sturdiness of the stance if you push the attacker back, counter-attacking getting hit with a knee is still getting hit with a knee

[@RealChickenNuggie]

Keysi is a self-defence martial art and most untrained fighters only throw punches to the head, nothing else

[@excaliburturkey8208]

@@RealChickenNuggie I'm aware, just how much of an oversight would it be if the entire martial art style had no techniques for body defence, even if 99 people out of 100 throw punches to head, that gut punch will still be a real gut punch, and once they realise you're only blocking your head someone's gonna for the body

[@wrathful1633]

im seeing a lot of punches to the head area but how do they answer for body shots, kicks, or grappling

[@DavidMedic447]

They don’t. It’s useful for super close and narrow fighting. Not great for range fighting.

[@v.nd.tt.s8943]

I could definitely see a liver shot landing there if it's in the open. There's a reason you're not supposed to use only one guard all the time, lol.

[@meicc398]

It's made for street fighting,you don't see a lot of body shots in street fights

[@blaga19]

When are you gonna do Pencak Silat

[@stevoz748]

Great to add to your kit! every martial arts has its strengths and weaknesses, learn all the strengths for yourself, andall the weaknesses against your opponent!

[@laz001]

Man - i've been big on Keysi for YEARS! It has a huge amount of hype a couple of decades ago, and then seemed to disappear! Glad to see it's still a thing, because it seems totally great

[@TheKaneVision]

Great video Seth. Had no idea Keysi was actually still going as it kinda died off after the first couple Nolan Batman films and the Reacher films. So you found it a logical art? Did you ask him about how the system works towards body shots? Eg (teeps, liver hits, body kicks). I'm curious just because their hads are always placed on the head I'm just curious myself how they react to closing those openings.

[@turbomanmechachrist]

Something I noticed while training this was that it tends to keep your body tense, you can't really relax when your arms are in tight guard. At the same time the guard has a really sturdy basis, best used imo. mixed with other martial arts.

[@xavierthomas5835]

I believe the whole intention is in and out quickly and concisely. Which is why tension is important. It makes you consider your best option more quickly and leaves room for you to always be ready to move in any direction.

[@xavierthomas5835]

Relaxation is a commodity you only have when you know there is a time limit or help on the way or when you can confidently defend yourself from any threat.

[@CaPnBaLlBaG]

I really don’t like that guard. You’re heavily obstructing your vision and arm mobility. You’re also DOOMED if someone wants to take you down. Good luck downblocking or getting an underhook if someone shoots in on you. It feels like inventing an oval-shaped wheel. Needless and ultimately less effective.

[@Encai.]

You should try shuai jiao next!!!

[@fenzelian]

I was really hoping this was going to be about self defense where you hold your keys between your knuckles and try to poke the other guy in the eye.

[@sndspderbytes]

I have a little trick to shake and grip a set of keys so one or two keys always poke out in a dagger grip. If you just let the lose and then squeeze there will always be at least one key coming out of a dagger grip. One time I had a big old drunk crazy person attack me as I was walking with my keys and I did the shake and drag and stared the guy in the face with a pretty light blow and the guy just wilted and collapsed He was looking around but seemed unable to move around. I just walked the rest of the way to my car and left. There was no blood I cold see it was just a poke. I don't recommend using keys to beat attackers but the one lesson is that a weapon of any sort amplifies your ability to incapacitate an attacker. The advantage that any kind of object can give you is huge. May not work against a pro but in this case it worked against a big drunk crazy dude and took little effort. I didn-t expect it would have such an effect as to end the situation. When it comes to knives in the old days during trench warfare and using knives in confined areas with heavily dressed or armored enemies stabs to the face would incapacitate not kill but would take all the fight out of someone. Not slashing but stabbing. It is a lost technique most people don't consider. It does not leave a huge scar and is not fatal and it stops your opponent immediately. It can be effective on the bony surfaces you don't have to be precise.

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

The four-man box is the most realistic real-world training I've ever seen.

[@billbill6094]

Suddenly demonstrating a technique with speed ramping when in casual conversation to show off his _uber cool_ skillz, making loud noises to sound intimidating rather than actual breath control (crazy eyes +1 "intimidation"), use of the phrase "body mechanics" and use of it as a lead in to junk training "to get you comfortable in xyz position", resorting to the alleged specialness of the instructor as an excuse for why you can't make it work the way he said it works because you don't have his special quality ("most people aren't xyz instructor") instead of an actual mechanistic or tactical reason the move isn't working. IDK, on first sniff it has strong bullshido whiffs, above fake ninjutsu but below George Dillman's scent. Pummeling, clinching, body shots, low kicks, teeps, and knees have entered the chat. Not just vulnerabilities, some things shown here would actively make those worse for you. And I've yet to see a 4 man drill where the pensador user _isn't_ clearly losing the hypothetical exchange and would be left beaten bloody, they can't even choreograph it to look effective in the one situation they claim it's most effective for. KFM seems to be the art of excusing why it's not very good at fighting singular opponents and justifying that's why it's super effective at fighting that one person +3 of his friends.

[@BMO_Creative]

So... Seth wears a wig? LOL Man, this is Icy Mike's style all the way!!!

[@spiritualtaurus7942]

Alan Baker is a unit. His Training and methods are incredible! Would love to master this style, mix it with my krav Maga & Muay Thai. This stuff looks amazing.💯💪🏻🇬🇧

[@pv_hobbying]

My old Muay Thai coach was dabbling with this 15 or so years ago. He was an absolute monster in certain situations. I genuinely thought and still think elements of it will work so well in MMA, I think the element that only holds it back from working is using it in a sparring environment to hone it and get it up to speed for competition. Still use the thinking man when on the ground occasionally, really catches people off when I start shrimping and throw a strike as opposed to hunting for control or submissions.

[@skyereave9454]

Supplemental art perhaps?

[@adim00lah]

The only guard I use in a fight is the high guard. I have seen a BUNCH of fights caught on cctv and phones, and not once did I see people going for a body punch, I myself have never even been punched in the body in the real fight. In a fight 99.9% of attacks are to the head. Dave LeDuc does a ram attack he calls The Bull, it's brutal af when you do it with your elbows sticking out. You could even doing it in a cross guard style position, ducking under punches, and ramming them in the ribs with your elbows. I had this happen during a sparring match with my buddy, and I heard my ribs pop when I got hit, thank god it wasn't enough for a fracture, but it instantly hurt like a sob, and my ribs were in a lot of pain for days afterward, good times.

[@qb682]

“You’re very sturdy”

[@peterclarke7006]

All together now: "That wouldn't work in the ring!!!" Well, no. Because the ring has a lot of rules, even though you clowns pretend it doesn't.

[@viatorinterra]

Keysi looks a lot like Bajiquan especially with getting up close and personal, breaking past the foe's guard, and taking them down with a decisive strike

[@RenBaiHu]

Please don't insult Bajiquan like that. This stuff is for clowns.

[@jordantaylor260]

Errrrr….. back on ya? I’ve been out the back of an abandoned train station in the middle of the night fighting full contact when it was keysi. Bajiquan is ethereal nonsense with no hooks in reality.

[@rengoodmen2879]

@@RenBaiHu Another similarity between keysi and Bajiquan!

[@RenBaiHu]

@@jordantaylor260 Actually it's one of the few traditional Chinese martial-arts style to be semi realistic in application and approach. It was also tested in real life for quite a while as opposed to this wanna be military self defences systema-esk non sense. It's not everyone's cup of tea because most westerners don't understand the approach behind CMA and now a days they're mostly just dance moves sadly but, they indeed do work and have worked for some time now. Around 300+years in Baji's case I believe.

[@jordantaylor260]

@@RenBaiHu what does “semi” realistic mean? You’re halfway to winning a fight? Now don’t get me wrong. I love the traditional arts. Athletic, interesting, mentally challenging. But don’t tell me they work in a brutal modern setting. They don’t. Why is anyone still having this debate? It’s been proven, decided. You’re happy to insult keysi/dl and say it’s for “clowns”. But you’re upset about a supposed insult in reverse. I know for a fact Baijiquan doesn’t work, I invited several practitioners to spar me. They never landed one shot, and seemed lost and confused in a full contact setting. But I still respect the art. But Your comment is very disrespectful, backed up with zero practical evidence.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

This looks really useful if you are a competent grappler but don't know anything about striking. It will most likely get you through the first 5 seconds of a fight without getting clocked, and you can probably manufacture a setup for a throw or takedown. Inferior but much quicker and easier than training how to box.

[@IceWyte]

Seth Upload = Good Fking Day

[@callumfoxvlogs]

It's very similar to our Krav Maga. We do the same blocking and eblow techniques!

[@seanbrewer1232]

From what I've gathered, kfm is a very flawed system. But I think it would be great for exercise, like tae Bo for guys. Put on your cargo shorts and black T-shirt, play some death metal, and pretend you're Batman or Jack Reacher. At the very least, all that twisting around should be great for the abs

[@cheesedust-n3w]

Looks very odd but then again I already incorporate icy mikes shield bashing elbow guard thing in my drills. And that high guard / elbow blocking defense. This almost seems like a Philly shell type defense but for the streets.

[@Banger267]

You should go into street beefs and try all your techniques out from all these martial arts would be cool to watch

[@TotalWannabe]

He will probably default to muay thai, sumo and karate. Also it's a dumb thing to ask of people. He can get hurt, duh

[@XXNerdzillaXX]

Wait wait wait. Some of the best parties I ever went to had no womens. LAN parties were awesome and good fun. Just no chance for STDs or unwanted pregnacies or regret. Sounds to me like a win win. Just sayin.

[@joostfloot5279]

Phew this man can look intense

[@johndepalm4180]

Looks like a nice study. Something you could pick up really fast. Are there any more videos or training manuals for this?

[@AmitKrepel]

‏‪1:36‬‏ I don't know what but something is very goofy about these guy's legs

[@101289teutonicguy]

If only clinch and leg kicks existed we might be able to do something here. Unfortunately those are illegal on "da streets". Im all for trying styles but theres a reason there are no KFM UFC champions

[@ondrasvoboda4512]

6:34 seth just looking like he doing execution 😂

[@bocahcebol2815]

Now i got a question. How do you defend your lower torso especially side rib cage? I just thinking that would be nasty side to receive damage

[@thorgornironfist]

So now... to Kevin's channel! 😂

[@KevinLeeVlog]

😂😂😂😂

[@CJ1776]

hey dude! i came to the conclusion to learn bjj, judo, wrestling and kickboxing. how ever i would like to end the stack with something that deals with real life threats and street violence. something that teaches you to break a limb or knee immediately on the spot so that you can target multiple people at once do you know where i am comming from? something that teaches you standing wrenches and immediate hyperextensions to the knees, ankles and elbows and so forth. is this a part of pekiti tirsia kali or silat, krav maga ?

[@me82sjm]

I think you can fight with most systems if you're a good fighter. But occasionally you get a system that so fundamentally is based off of non functional movement that is becomes a liability Say all you want about karate, wing chun, tkd They have footwork and guards and still work on punching and kicking My example of something thst could fundamentally ruin your fighting abilities is normally aikido but I have to add keysi to my list Not just from this video but I have seen full instructional content videos thst they used to sell This is based on a last minute parry and confined shell which not only leaves you open to simple clinch and grappling but even pummeling from agressive opponents Keysi works from drills and light sparring because its about being more agressive with your defence But defence isn't agressive so you need a passive offender to counter This isn't to say that keysi has nothing of value but what they do have is basics of most combative or aggressive styles Even systema and krav maga which hold their own problems But after the combative concepts and environmental awareness it looks good when you have tough manly guys who could probably defend themselves without martial arts training talking about fighting five guys and hard elbows and for the streets but it's illusion and cool factor not practicality

[@me82sjm]

I don't mean to hate on the system. Obviously good knowledgeable people and as usual seth doing a great job at showing the best of a system and how it can help and be useful. But just seen a lot of keysi recently and this is what I think of it

[@cahallo5964]

​@@me82sjm I do hate this system this is so stupid and 90% of it is easily countered by literally a push kick lol

[@IronLeprecon]

God bless You, good sir! The herald of truth and common sense :)

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

I think if you are a good grappler but an untrained striker then this could benefit you. You overprotect the head to prevent knockouts and invite close-quarters contact, which will be to your advantage as you transition to grappling them. Yes, learning Muay Thai or boxing will be better, but this is much quicker and easier to learn and could at least partially shore up a grappler's weak points.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I agree. Even aikido techniques can work!! (They are part of other arts that DO work, after all) but their training methods and overall mentality is just too much fantasy. I agree, you definitely are a smart person imo

[@letsdothis9063]

I saw Screech adopt this stance in Saved by the Bell. Maybe he would wrecked someone?

[@kananisha]

The Jack Reacher style

[@derekvandenburg6689]

What would prevent an attacker from shooting forward and getting into your hips deep? With both of your arms up holding your hear it seems like it would be really hard to prevent someone from a real easy double leg and immediate ground control?

[@kd2453]

Very disappointed. I misread the title and was expecting to learn defense for the infamous car keys between the fingers mega punch. I`ve been told no can defend.

[@kayr0112]

Same

[@laricktadura]

Never heard the mines story about Justo Dieguez (?). I thought he originated the method after years of being a bouncer; or, at least, that's what I recall from the first documentary/interview he put on youtube.

[@sebastianfrank4295]

Thanks for highlighting Keysi and Sifu Alan. I never understood why people make fun of KFM and tell you it "does not work" just cause it was used in a few movies. I wish I could train KFM nut the next gym that trains KFM is abou 200 miles away

[@adamcosper3308]

Keysi: making ninjitsu look good.

[@batteredwarrior]

Yeah, it's such a terrible style. 😬

[@marsship921]

I think it's just too niche. It's not SMTH you can specialize in and think you're a god, but that never worked anyway

[@Chris-oo6tn]

The technique with the elbows up looks interesting but could end up badly if the other person throw an uppercut

[@maddinkn]

There he is! Kevin Lee! I knew I recognise that wall from somewhere. Cool vid Seth, I think that new hairstyle fits you well. ❤

[@coachkylehagen]

Yeah he can make anyone look like Steven Seagal

[@anwarsentinel1752]

Tritac martial arts combines kfm with muai thai and grappling. A great youtube channel that should be checked out.

[@coachdanhall]

Another good one! Keysi is awesome and Alan is doing a great job building it up in the States.

[@echelon2k8]

This is nice and all, but what about when you have to protect something lower than your upper body which appears to be completely open almost entirely in this video? It's like you're just hoping that they'll always attack you where you want to be attacked.

[@bigh6109]

Crazy intense eyes man. Always an indication to avoid confrontation. He looks like he was built from Chael Sonnen and Matt Hughes DNA. 👍🏼

[@Jay-ho9io]

Alan (former coach of mine) has less quit than sonnen and more sense than hughes. So in my opinion, better than either (unless maybe you're making a UFC run in the earlier 00's.)

[@bigh6109]

@@Jay-ho9io I made no chronological connection to a version of them and since you claim a personal connection to the man i defer to your assessment of the mans qualities given i have only respect and admiration for the 3 mens skills. 🫡😂👍🏼

[@BigJugg4u]

Jeez this guy is built freaky he has long ass arms and legs but a stubby body this guy is built for fighting

[@altaydogahan342]

Arm Chair Violence did a lovely breakdown on why this "system"/martial art doesn't work or even make sense which I'll recommend but I'll still entertain the video.

[@zuundasz1700]

that guy is full of copium , i doubt he even had a real fight , does not seem the guy to judge other martial arts , he is the type of guy that thinks that if you know boxing you gonna win a street fight , when you dont have the reflex to guard against hit with boxing stances, you need to also use the elbow for better chances

[@negativeionz]

I've heard about this system for years since trying (and failing due to how unrealistic it was) to read those Jack Reacher books but this is the 1st time I've seen it like this. I think I saw some videos in the '90s or something but now I wanna try this system. This looks like a great fighting system and I need to know more about it.

[@brunopaler18]

Keysi is the type of art that seems useful against someone who doesnt fight, overall it has some useful things in it but i reckon thats about it

[@Steve-xo5pq]

If there is one thing I have learned from watching Seth is that every martial art has something to offer. Granted self defense situations are probably going to be against people who don't know how to fight, but if your goal is to be as effective as possible, it seem like it makes sense to try and learn as much as you can so you can take what's useful or what works best for you and adapt it to any situation.

[@hugejackedman3447]

You can say that about "every" martial art. If you're a Nak Muay and you just happen to accidentially piss off a drunken Khalil Rountree at a bar you're probably not gonna wake up! lol

[@brunopaler18]

@@hugejackedman3447 yeah, except you can generally beat a wider range of People if you do smtn Like boxing

[@Mendrawza24]

​@@brunopaler18Can say the same about Jujitsu and Muay Thai. Heck, even sumo wrestling even gives a decent grappling base to shove most people into something hard and take the fight out of them.

[@hugejackedman3447]

@@brunopaler18 True if you are competing, and then only if you're good at it! lol You can practice boxing, bjj or any "effective" martial art and still get destroyed just simply because the opponent is a better fighter or you're not good at it. Besides, unless you intend to be a fighter there is little chance you need anything other than basic self defense. Random crap starters in public will fold the moment you jab them in the nose

[@justsomenapalm5067]

This appears to be similar to the wing chun that the charismatic “master wong” teaches.

[@Obliterationoftheself]

Ah yes, close quarters martial arts. As opposed to the more common long range martial arts.

[@legopopculture8635]

Have you tried Panantukan

[@Sarara14]

One thing I've always wondered about systems/styles like Keysi and 52 Blocks that rely on a high guard and gripping your own head is what to do when someone throws a body shot? I understand more often than not an attacker is gonna go for your head, but a punch to the gut or the ribs isn't ever out of the question

[@CaPnBaLlBaG]

Or a kick. How the hell are you blocking a teep to the body like that? Good forbid someone wants to take you down too 😬

[@ducanhtran4842]

shhh, let people live their fantasy

[@MistyNightProductions]

In 52 we have different blocks that protect the body such as step ladder or windmill block

[@nunninkav]

Well, this looks like a good self defense system against thugs, but not a sport fighting thai boxer. You're gonna eat a massive roundhouse to the liver with that guard. Very few street goons are going to try that however.

[@CaPnBaLlBaG]

@@nunninkav I don’t think I’ve ever seen a street fight on KZbin where someone didn’t eventually try to pick the other guy up and slam them. We’re giving street goons too little credit.

[@diya_777]

"I don't think it works on alan baker. But I don't think everyone is alan baker" -seth (2024)

[@moredown1303]

I love it as always❤

[@_null0_]

i havent watched it till the end yet but hear me out what if someone punches you in the liver??

[@joshuachristofferson9227]

2 HUGE CRITIQUs, despite loving some aspects of KFM: 1-Keep ur Hands OPEN & ready to CATCH, not Closed off doing jack shit. 2-Interceept/Counter Strikes w/ ur Elbows, not ur Arm meat LOL

[@luderzuckerfan6990]

catch what exactly

[@yang_yin]

​@@luderzuckerfan6990Nothing "exactly", better said nothing specific, it's whatever you find that could be for some tactic help, anything, weapon, hair clothes, *whatever* fight is dynamic.

[@joshuachristofferson9227]

@@yang_yin Exactly! 😂 Closed Fist < Open Palm ☯

[@luderzuckerfan6990]

@@yang_yin I mean from what we see here the system just doesn't seem interested in wrestling on purpose

[@yang_yin]

@@luderzuckerfan6990 As far as I know the system (origins) yes, it is not wrestling focused, but it has some grabs. You see it's closed combat, and counterattack and survival focused, they use grabs, punches, knees, headbutts, shoulder push, weapons, clothes, sand, etc, for get out of the situation alive (or at least with the head well preserved, which is characteristic in Keysi). In my martial terminology, Keysi is not an assault style, but a defensive one, so their behavior is reactive on how they get attacked. Greetings.

[@hailynewma9122]

if you protect you head like this your center lacks protection completely

[@coachkylehagen]

This was a class offered for larpers and guys who were scared of jiu jitsu.

[@TobiUchiha74]

Where is the uncut version at lol. I am a member it's not there.

[@BoxerDriverWelderLover]

I wanna see how they defend the body? Like a throaway jab head and than money backhand to the liver/solar plexus etc. . Those elbows are really high feels like.

[@yang_yin]

3:25 scared sheep face 🐑 6:36 growing predator face 😼 Yeah, there's a clear internal difference 👍.

[@paullilienthal449]

Is it just me or is Seth wearing a wig?

[@anonymousperson2816]

Training for his rematch with jeff chan for the usdc

[@RemainRealProductions]

I'm not against Keysi, or Defence Lab.

[@Bagoth2]

So you will see master wong do this alot in his videos which is interestng cause everyone gives him so much slack. Also thr best ramming attack i have ever seen is from baji. Go look at the baji guy from kuro obi and do a video on him cause that baji elbow is gnarly as all hell.

[@wizeguy2388]

When I first saw Keysi back in the Dark Knight days, I thought it looked cool but I really thought some of the mechanics were awkward and I would get too dizzy trying to fight like that. However, now that I am actually martial arts practitioner (mostly FMA), and I have gotten into panantukan lately, I can see this being useful. Also, seeing Kevin, and now you taking this on as worthwhile to explore, along with you giving examples of very close quarter fighting in a hallway, I am even more starting to like the concepts of this system. I have been trying to get into a lot of empty hand FMA lately because I wanted to train close quarter fighting on the Chicago CTA trains for example. I live in Chicago and I have been avoiding trains because of the amount of people who have taunted and harassed me at this point and even threw feint punches at my face. Where I'm moving to, I am going to have to take the train more often, so this will be something I will try to integrate into my small group of martial arts friends and our weekly training. I can see this being very helpful when it comes to executing destructions if someone starts punching at my face on the train. I guess if Keysi was pure bs, it would have vanished a long time ago, but it's only become more of a thing.

[@gronith]

Very cool, reminds me of the Crazy Monkey Defense from the early 2000s. I think you got to be careful with a guard like this. If you watch Rampage Jackson for example who adopted the Crazy Monkey guard his head movement disappeared. Some one with a good thai plumb or thai clinch techniques can really exploit issues with this kind of guard as well. Rampage seemed so comfortable absorbing the shots on his guard he was taking way more damage than he should have. Great self defense technique though and used properly a great fighting technique. I know this is just a small look at this style and they probably have answers for these issues.

[@paulpolito2001]

Seems uniquely vulnerable to both uppercuts and shovel hooks. Fairly aesthetic tho

[@charlesdourado8292]

I don't think that an untrained person would punch the body