I Upgraded a Cheap Jointer Instead of Buying an Expensive One

[@AiOinc1]

"So join me" Missed opportunity to say "Joint me" Hey you forgot about the link belt

[@bubbles3108]

He has absolutely no idea how happy his editing makes me, the content is good but generally inapplicable to me, but boy do I love watching it. His general mood is so fun to me.

[@Redneckf350]

I could care less about what this video is about, I’m just here cause this man has me in tears from laughter every time I watch a video. The way he edits it with quick cuts is just stellar!! This needs to be a series on some sort of home network!!

[@jordanreeves1902]

“Clogged like Chris Farleys arteries” might be the best joke and chuckle I’ve gotten from a DIY video. Bravo.

[@ronhochhalter3491]

I've been on the fence about changing the cutter head in mine. It's a good machine, and the right size for my workshop. Thanks for the info, watching this just cost me $350. But it's going to be well worth it.

[@jobanski]

I like how he took the time to tell us he wasn’t going to change the jointer color because he’s lazy. It’s details like that that keep me coming back! 😂

[@wcvp]

One thing to keep in mind, just because they come out of the same factory doesn't mean they're the same. Motors, bearings, blades, etc. can be easily changed for different production runs, other parts can be binned so the nicest ones go into the most expensive and the worst (but still usable) ones go into the cheapest, and how much effort is put into quality control can change. Are they actually actually going through the effort of doing all that? Who knows... I'd still buy the cheapest one though lol

[@AiOinc1]

Many foreign factories don't bother stocking more than one set of parts. Even if it is the cheapest thing and somehow does manage to be built worse than the thing right next to it on the production line, his $400 savings will cover any shot bearings plenty of times over - Or just once if he does the right thing of getting nice quality ones immediately and still ends up with an amazing deal.

[@tarstarkusz]

Not to mention the motor is probably not the same. You get what you pay for. More money has been wasted trying to save money by buying cheap. It always ends up costing more than buying the right thing the first time.

[@Huntracony]

@@tarstarkusz He didn't buy some cheap brandless knockoff that'll break in a month, he bought a fine product. That's exactly where the best value for money is. If you just go for the expensive brands you end up paying a lot just for brand recognition. Take cars for example. Buy the cheapest car you can find and you'll be paying through the nose for repairs, but that doesn't mean you should go and buy a Tesla or something if you want the best value for your money.

[@tarstarkusz]

@@Huntracony I completely disagree. Commercial equipment is on a whole different level than consumer equipment. I kind of agree that if you are in the consumer market with only occasional light use, something like what he has might be OK and possibly even the best bang for buck. Paying for a brand with machinery is not like with clothes. You are paying for the reputation and the after sales service, parts availability You are not paying for a label, you are paying for what that label represents. The real weak point of most consumer equipment is duty cycle. This thing probably has a 5-10% duty cycle.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@tarstarkusz Well, it's a six inch jointer, which pretty much screams "hobby shop, light use". A pro shop that needs commercial equipment would probably have at least an 8 inch jointer.

[@kasbakgaming]

I hadn't realized post-production helical cutter heads were a thing. I might have to look into upgrading my planer. Now that one was a deal - due to a bar code error and an inattentive/unknowledgeable worker at Menards, I got it brand new for $10.

[@the_undead]

Or the worker new full well what was going on but just couldn't care less or even better could just go with the "oh I just scanned the part it said it was $10 so I got the $10 from the customer and sent them on their way I have no idea what a helical cutter head is". Which seems far more likely to me and what's Menards going to do about it I can't expect their employees to know what things are and how much it should approximately cost

[@mikeh4924]

$1,250 for the Grizzly plus $125 for freight as well. First time here, nice video, quick and simple with good explanations. I'm subbing.

[@osgeld]

I have almost no interest in jointers for the foreseeable future, I just like watching your informitive and amusing videos, thanks !

[@playamytrumpet]

First time viewing your site. I really enjoyed your delivery of info. No stumbling, no swearing and helpful info. Thx. I have a 1947-8 6” Beaver Callander that I was thinking of updating. I did install carbide blades which helped a lot but same as you I find the chips can be annoying. I also have a Dewalt 735 planer that I would like to change out the blades to a helix style. Once again thanks for the info and look forward to more

[@VitalityMassage]

What about the helical blades that are alternate in style but not spiral? Like on the WEN JT833H 10-Amp 8-Inch Spiral Benchtop Jointer with Extendable Table?

[@toddtusler1024]

i never knew about direct tools outlet until now, and i just looked it up and there is one a few miles down the road from me. i think im in trouble!

[@rashadfoux6927]

Same!

[@Brian-cj4bj]

You had me at me "It's staying orange because I'm lazy." XD

[@Becka_Harper]

That is about to become a very frequently used quote in my shop.

[@raygumm]

Yet you watched basically the entire video before he said that! I'm pretty sure he had you with the thumbnail. Under Dunn is now always tapped on when it shows in my feed. :)

[@MrSeminole77]

just for the newbies- "same factory" does not = same quality. All factories provide levels of quality for specific price points. Price points drive the design and manufacturing not competition.

[@AndrewSanjanwala]

I feel as if we need to start a Direct Tools Outlet Support Group, where we spend uncomfortable amounts of money on discount tools and ourselves feel better about doing so.

[@bobcat9501]

Great information I’ll keep it in mind when it’s time to replace blades

[@316woodworks9]

You are freaking hysterical! Love your work!

[@tighecrovetti2844]

Just upgraded my Ridgid to Lux Cut with your instructions, thanks! When I finished, my cutter wasn't aligned with my outfeed table properly. I had to reposition the outfeed, and then reset my infeed table depth gauge to be in sync.

[@stvcolwill]

Great video ... I'm doing this for sure....just a matter of time and money. I love your videos, they're no nonsense and truly genuine. BY THE WAY... you're deliver and flavor is, for me, a cross between Andy Rooney and Stumpy Nubs... of which, somehow Yours is way way better to watch. Keep up the great work!!!!!! (yes, deserving of 5 or 6 exclams)

[@RidgidRon]

I did the same thing to my Ridgid Jointer and kept the original cutter head in whole. I did the assembly when putting the Jointer together. It works great and thank you.

[@allynmcfarlin2074]

Love your sense of humor. Keep making videos !!

[@Goon-124]

"It's orange." Personal attack to start the day, I see. Accepted.

[@Ikaruszaki]

My thoughts exactly

[@MrSeminole77]

missing your point and interested in how you draw your conclusion.

[@Joostuh]

I'm Dutch and took that personally.

[@antallaczko8793]

CMT has some orange tools as well, one spindle router head would cost the same or triple than your scrap metal jointer. BTW it's never the colour, it's more the quality and the brand, the last should be the price tag. That jointer way struggling with a piece of pine, because the motor is under powered. Even with the hellix will not do a proper job on hardwood.

[@martyjosephson4937]

Amazing!!!, thanks for showing us the change over.

[@RichardRecupero]

Thanks. I'm buying the powermatic. That last statement of the gold standard was all I needed

[@mr.hurley217]

Loving the humor, and info in your videos. Please keep up the great work.

[@christopherjohnson5961]

Picked up a ridgid jointer last week on craigslist for $300. It came with a rolling tool base and was practically new. Really want some helical heads for this and my planer. Shcoked to learn that the tools are the same as powermatic/grizzly and others. Sounds like it should be a good little tool for a long time. Also, quick update, retail at Home Depot is now $799 so close to $900 after tax now.

[@elliotazus6258]

Hi Robert, last night I decided to look to see what happened to you I thought you fell off the face of the earth. And wal lah here you are with two videos this morning. Thank you for the TTI and the Direct Tools info. It turned out there is a Direct Tools right near my freeway off-ramp I didn't know about. I love the videos now even more. God bless and take care.

[@theelectronwrangler6416]

There is one argument to be made for the straight knived cutters (I still recommend helical): They have a uniform surface finish. You get some mild but noticeable scalloping with helical cutter heads, but that can be sanded away if it matters (outer surfaces) or ignored if it doesn't (glue lines, inner surfaces). All in all, I'm extremely happy with the cutter I put in my dad's 40 year old powermatic.

[@TracksWithDax]

9:00 "I expected the new cutterhead to be better, but that was a lot better than I expected" xD

[@Oak_And_Iron]

You earned my sub with your Billy Eichner energy. Strong work

[@davesatosky5840]

those bases are nicer if you make with a piece of scrap 3/4 plywood, i only say this because building them this way rather than with the metal erector set stuff gives a shelf when done. i have this jointer and personally like to a bunch of paint cans under it and find the added weight helps make the machine a bit more sturdy when using it.. thanks for the upload your content rocks

[@GeorgeKennerLaser]

This is Very cool.... I found the same thing with water filters by A.O. Smith.

[@gilbertlopez6101]

My wife got me one for father's day about 15 years ago. Not knowing what to look for, she just said, "Give me the best you got at the Ho** Dep**. Been very happy with mine but was seriously looking for a similar upgrade. Thanks for the information.

[@b.a.t..]

I'm glad that you opened this channel the videos are amazing just like your other channel

[@TheFamilyWoodworker]

Great video! I found that a ton of other tools fit the same profile... lots of brands and colors but all made with the same specs by the same manufacturer. Saw that in spindle sanders and scroll saws too.

[@toonybrain]

And 12” planers.

[@34stzoo]

I built my tool base and it works great!

[@chrischtea]

Did you know that there are more Trabants registered in Germany then Telas? Made me think of you when I read that.

[@bbloching]

@@shugthehornyhaggis 37000 Trabants, 19000 teslas as of 2020. almost double. that guy is right. also greetings from germany

[@bbloching]

@@shugthehornyhaggis jo, Zulassungsstelle. Die Statistiken kann man sich frei herunterladen. Und man sollte auch bedenken, dass a) trabbis nicht oft auf der Autobahn und b) insgesamt nicht viel bewegt werden. Aber zugelassen ist auch nicht gleich gefahren.

[@Crewsy]

Registered doesn’t mean roadworthy. js

[@wetrock2766]

@@shugthehornyhaggis Bitte! explain what is tüv. This thing is unknown on our side of the Atlantic under that name?? Grüsse aus Kanada!

[@AiOinc1]

@@shugthehornyhaggis Similarly, I've seen more Yugos on the road than Tesla's.

[@davidbiggerstaff7116]

Love the to the point video with some humor

[@TacComControl]

I just want to let you know that every time you say Menards, I chuckle to myself. I feel like it's what a pirate screams when you kick them in the bollocks.

[@nathanjimbob7885]

Their jingle is "save big money at menards!" Even in my mid-thirties I still walk around that store singing about my nards. If we're honest, I think we all do.

[@philgray4780]

Robert, I have missed you . You are becoming so professional. That was a brilliant , informative and funny presentation. No wonder you are being supported by manufactures. Very Well done and buy some more cheap stuff and do 'em up so I can see more of your videos, please.

[@VROne111]

Wonderful instructions

[@FnordOok]

Recently found direct tools myself, bought a "factory blemished" portable wet/dry vacuum that was basically perfect. Sadly they don't have a store where I am so it's online orders only. (maybe that's a good thing?)

[@databanks]

Yeah, probably a good thing as far as your bank balance is concerned. And your partner if you have one...

[@easy236]

My new favorite woodworking KZbinr. Keep it up man! Your videos are awesome.

[@davekolp4552]

I think the purpose of a jointer is for edging boards for glue up. The surface is for getting boards flat so they can be planned!

[@jeffw8611]

The video topic caught my attention, the wonderful sarcasm made me a subscriber.

[@sisepuede5612]

I just looked up that exact Rigid model on Home Depot’s website and it is going for $799. Kind of crazy that it’s almost doubled in price in a little over a year since this video came out.

[@DragnEYE]

Biden

[@BenjaminGoose]

@@DragnEYE Are we talking about our celebrity crushes now?

[@DragnEYE]

@@BenjaminGoose Quite the opposite. Why, did you vote for the guy that crashed our economy harder then Richard Hammond in the Rimac "Concept One"?

[@Psychlist1972]

I had that same jointer, and did the same upgrade with a Shelix head. It made a huge difference.

4:18 my door make that sound as well...

[@alex4alexn]

lol, laughed my ass off when you were kicking those damn cam levers, been there my friend!

[@wendymontie5660]

Nice work! Glad to see you back!

[@scs442]

Chris Farley joke made me audibly say "too soon".

[@Crewsy]

December 1997 is still too soon? I bet Chris would have laughed at the joke as much as everyone else did.

[@csimet]

I really like your videos... always to the point and trying to be cost effective. Not everyone is made of money and we need to spend ours wisely. I wish they made a helical head for my old (1960s) Rockwell 4". The entire thing was free... I inherited it in super great condition from my dad... and more than enough capacity for my shop needs & space to use it in. ;) The only cost to me was to build a new stand for it (

[@greggv8]

See if Sheartak makes one. They're in Canada. If they don't already make one you could send them yours and they can design one. They didn't make a helical head for Shopsmith 12" planers until a guy (who is on KZbin with less than 100 subscribers) who lived 10 minutes from their factory called and asked. They said to bring his planer in and they'd make one. Now they have the Shopsmith planer head available for anyone to buy. I assume other companies would make a helical head for your Rockwell but who knows how long it'd take and how much it would cost.

[@seanbrown3512]

been trying to find that jointer for a long time now, it's out of stock at my store(s) and online so here I wait while you're having all the fun.. good video and good info on the helical head.

[@robertrohler3644]

Thank you, good educational video - informative. Keep up the good work

[@joeyDHARMA83]

I bought the same jointer from a retired woodworker who was moving and needed it gone. He left the knives really sharp and the bed was super clean. He recommended shallow passes and at first it was a dream. I went through a lot of red oak and some hard maple until a few months later I was having problems with box store pine. Knife sharpness and set-up are more important than I seem to remember most times when dealing with my machines.

[@thaddeustroyer]

Great review, great buy, great upgrades, great humor and who doesn't like to save money? Just got a subscriber. Thank for video, the laughs and the k-nowledge.

[@MarkK01]

The nice thing about the Ridgid jointed is it comes with a free lifetime service agreement.

[@Zogg1281]

As always a brilliant video and a lot of FUN!!! Thanks 👍👍👍👍

[@lightdark00]

That one thumbs down was pissed you didn't repaint it, as one of the three things you were going to fix. No it wasn't me thumbing it down.

[@DanielMReck]

9:13 Workpiece labeled "SN" for "Straight kNife." Makes sense to me! Stay amazing, Robert.

[@spokehedz]

That tape peel was 100% satisfying.

[@chrisestill8825]

I bought this same jointer for our shop at school. The cost savings allowed us to get the Rigid lunchbox planer as well. Aside from removing one guys fingertip(his fault, not the jointer) I never had an issue.

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

Funny, true, and imformative. I have Bora PM-1000 mobile base on my 14in bandsaw, and I do not have this problem. Mine rolls around easy and steers good. I have the same jointer. I bought Ridgid TS3650, this jointer and a HF dust collector with upgraded filter from a friend for $500. Best purcahse ever. Way better than my 2nd best purcahse, Stanley No. 45 with box, a full box of cutters, all accessories, and a No. 171 thrown in for $70. 3rd best is probably a type 11 No. 4-1/2 for $30. I had to drive over an hour one way to get it. I installed Shlix head in my Ridgid 13in thickness planer, and it's been great. I thought about upgrading to a helical head on jointer, but it's not determined yet. I want to get an 8in jointer then get a helical head eventually, so spending money on this 6in may not be the best investment for me. Since I have quite a few hand planes now, I tend to reach for hand tools if I am only jointing a few boards. When I am milling more than 3 pieces, I take the jointer out and batch through them quickly. The push blocks came with this jointer are not very good. I feel the foam padding can be too slipery. I recently bought a pair of grout floats. Initial impression is pretty good except they are a little big. I may cut them down a little.

[@Zooumberg]

I'm a PC engineer. If I try to do any woodwork, I'll lose my fingers. Why am I watching this? Because I find it interesting.

[@SandyMasquith]

I have the same Ridgid jointer. I have no problem with Ridgid tools. I also have their band saw and recently replaced the TS360 Table Saw with a SawStop. That being said, they are cheaper tools. Everyone to their own. My experience with Ridgid has been very positive. Also, I have the Bora wheels on my Ridgid. How right you are!!! I’m going to immediately order the “generic” mobile base! I”m also going to order the helical head. I went through the pain of replacing the straight blades 2 months ago. They’re already nicked. I’m “Dunn” with straight knife cutter heads!! :D

[@glenschumannGlensWorkshop]

Thanks very much.

[@zeplin4078]

Welcome back, was looking forward to another video from you, enjoy this one too thanks for that.

[@dougprentice1363]

I ordered Lux cut in November. On back order. It was supposed to ship in January. Delayed. Now supposed to ship in mid March.

[@MRCNC1967]

"so join me!" LOL! Robert, If I can offer one word of advise, never use a hammer or hammer-like object anywhere within 50 feet of a bearing, doing so can cause "brinelling" of the balls against the races and result in poor performance / premature failure. OK, so that was way more then one word.

[@roscocsa]

if you’re willing to go tabletop model, I have the wahuda 6”. spiral cutter head instead of helical. works freaking great. I keep saying things like, oh that panel came out perfect.

[@Saltmancer]

Orange is lovely

[@tnordquist3296]

I never knew Will Forte was such an avid woodworker!

[@torinhalsey6313]

Well done.

[@b3ardedbarbarian]

The Chris Farley joke had me in tears I was laughing so hard

[@TheSnekkerShow]

Great video. I upgraded my thickness planer a couple years ago, and I'm looking forward to putting a helical head in my 15-year-old Ridgid jointer. Until then, it's an extra step to joint, plane, and then flip it over to plane the tearout from the side that I joined.

[@tkarlmann]

If you are getting too much tearout, are you sure you are reading the grain correctly?

[@TheSnekkerShow]

@@tkarlmann Yes, but for woods like tiger-striped maple, the grain changes direction every quarter inch.

[@tkarlmann]

@@TheSnekkerShow Ah, there's the rub. Also in Elm. However, how many times do you run across changing grain direction? The only way to handle that situation, prior to finishing, is to use a card scraper. (like in a tree stump.)

[@TheSnekkerShow]

@@tkarlmann I saw most of my own lumber, and encounter grain changes quite frequently. A card scraper certainly comes in handy sometimes.

[@Ham68229]

I made a base from 3/4" plywood, bolted 4 swivel locking casters, works like a charm except, it makes my Rigid top heavy. Wanting to make the cutter head change myself. Cheers :)

[@topintn]

The bonus video points to the original video. However, good video ... maybe worth 2 viewings.

[@ralfoide]

It has been fixed on the patreon page. Link is kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXSTfpt5rKycl9k

[@mickles1975]

Why is it called a jointer? I mean, it's planing the surface so shouldn't it be called a plane or a planer?

[@earthwormjim]

It's called a jointer, because it's main purpose is ensuring the mating surfaces of two boards glued edge to edge (flat), to make a larger board, have no gaps. Thus they are jointed. Plus, jointer is short for jointer planer.

[@mickles1975]

@@earthwormjim Thanks. Loved your Sega Megadrive game by the way.

[@josejuan61]

@@earthwormjim That clears my mind ! ;) Thanks !

[@Waldopepper1962]

Mine was $100 Canadian dollars. Craigslist- used is the way to go. My mobile base was $0. I made it from some 2x4 scraps and tossed on some wheels from a bbq. Total cost $100 Canadian. It is an ancient Craftsman model. It weighs as much as a battleship. It is terrific. Trouble free. Again $100 Buy used. Best option.

[@Scott-Ferguson]

You're hilarious. You made me laugh while providing good information. I like your style. You gained a sub today.

[@ATDLN]

First and Foremost, thank you for your effort and research regarding this jointer. I went to Tool Direct and was put on waiting list. Received call today and one had arrived. $499 is price as you stated. But, today was last day of 25% discount. Walked out the door for $375! Came home to rewatch the video to see the stand you purchased and found the link. But, I have a question? The stand will adjust from 12" to 33" but according to Rigid the planer is 45.5" wide. Am I missing something because it looks like some funky math would have to happen to make this base fit?

[@whittysworkshop982]

Thats the first time ive seen someone pass the face of plywood over a surface planer :P

[@Nurse_Lucy]

Also, I just noticed that the nipple shirt is back in action

[@FierceSleepingDog]

I have that jointer. It works.

[@chrisg0001]

Quality assurance

[@armonhewitt201]

I've put everything in my shop on rollers. I use the 30x19 furniture movers from Harbor Freight. $17 at full price but can usually find discount coupons for $13 or so.

[@mrteecee]

4:30 Trabant! Greetings from Hungary :D

[@magicman9486]

I have been using that jointer for over 15 years. I have no complaints. it does its job. It's job being to flatten 2 sides. The planer and the drum sander get the item to finish quality. No need in my opinion to spend another $450.

[@Enterprising_Aim]

My Girlfriend watched one of your videos with me. Her comment was "I see why you like him. He's you." lol.. Keep making quality videos and Get Er Dunn!

[@martinweiser5726]

Thanks. Informative and funny.

[@bitingfish9839]

It is actually way quieter. A 7 db difference is almost half the intensity

[@JoseAndrade-ic7er]

Woah woah woah! Easy on the Chris Farley jokes. Too soon. Lol. Great video.

[@l3eaver]

Comes with Speed dial for a reason depending on species of lumber

[@w9jim]

Enjoyed that.

[@_P0tat07_]

11:30 was soooo satisfying. Also I don’t think I’ve heard anyone talk about the feel of jointer knives before, or at least that anyone felt like they were trying to slap your workpiece away. Interesting.

[@nubreed13]

Depends on the wood you are jointing and how how sharp the knives are. Usually knot free wood will glide right through a professional unit

[@stevemclean2023]

Thanks for that, Robert. I've been thinking about replacing my straight blade jointer with a lux cutter for a long time. But I'm too lazy.

[@Psychlist1972]

Ha! I had that same horrible mobile tool base for that jointer. It was such a massive pain.

[@Bill_CBR]

I have the same jointer from HD. I too have not been happy with the feel of the cutting. I think I'll have to explore the Lux Cut III option.

[@darkdelta]

I've had the 6" Ridgid for several years now. I got it at HD for $350 (IIRC) used it sparingly because of the chips it made, 0r should I say slivers. They were difficult to collect. I had stop often to clear the chute. I got one of those cutter heads like you did a couple of years ago, and chip removal/collection is 100 times better. I cobbled some 4x4s and some casters I had to make the thing mobile, I have a postage stamp size shop. Anyway, replacing the cutterhead makes such a difference. Nice post.

[@bonesrhodes3762]

---- you remember correctly: got mine years back from HD and it was $349.95 - bought one and ordered a Shelix cutterhead the same day : never even tried it with the straight knife set-up - so I doubled the cost of the jointer and count it as money well spent

[@darkdelta]

@@bonesrhodes3762 That was a good move on your part. I just priced the same Ridigid jointer, they want $800 for one, and it still has 3 knives. We win!

[@bonesrhodes3762]

@@darkdelta ---- yep: I have an old 1942 Delta 6" jointer that I would like to put a helical cutterhead in but (a) i haven't found one that fits, and (b) it's hard to justify the cost for a duplicate tool I really don't need ( but when does 'need' matter when tool hoarding ) - I also have a 1952 Craftsman 4" jointer I really want to set up with a helical head - that I would use - again, I don't think anyone makes a drop-in head for it - but I do have a 4" helical cutterhead for a shaper with a 3/4 inch shaft - and my SIL has a lathe and knows how to use it - so, maybe.

[@darkdelta]

@@bonesrhodes3762 Sounds like the lathe will be making chips, so you can make some too, along with a side order of dust.