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@Huggy1959 Жыл бұрын
Chris, I enjoy your stories - I grew up in Detroit and I live immediately north of there in Warren today, but I wanted to mention a few things. First of all it’s kind of neat that you mentioned the towns of Eureka and Pacific. Those cities are home to two of the biggest suppliers to our industry (label printing) - Eureka, in addition to being the home of Six Flags Over Mid America is also the home of Rotometrics; Pacific is home to Lederle Tool & Machine Co. Both of them are major suppliers to the label industry and other players. One of the biggest machine suppliers (printing presses) is Mark Andy in Chesterfield. I believe there are other, smaller suppliers in the area as well. In 1966 I lived in a little town called Murphy, which was right outside of Fenton (where there are still more label industry suppliers). I remember some years ago when a friend and I were going to Six Flags. I was driving down I-44 and I remember passing the Times Beach exit - the exit was barricaded closed, the freeway sign was covered, but you could still see buildings and houses from i-44 - even a gas station. I read that they didn’t merely tear down the houses and buildings - they incinerated everything as well as all the dirt so as to destroy the dioxin. Oiling roads to keep dust down used to be pretty common everywhere but I have not seen it done years.
@johnbersuch1767 Жыл бұрын
The large mound on the left at 28:00 is where everything in town was buried. Everything!
@Insufficientfundsfml Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Allenton. lived there until they bought us out. our house was right next door to the church that's still there. my great grandfather was the first minster of the church and helped build it. Allenton was a amazing place to grow up. sure we didn't have the money that our neighbors had but we where good people. its sad going thru a lot of memories in that town. The school house was deemed historical and is a family residence. also the bridge in times beach used to be open for pedestrians can't remember when they deemed it unsafe for that and removed the surface. my family moved from times beach to Allenton.
@learemington1700 Жыл бұрын
I grew up on the Meremec river. This brought back memories of the towns closing. My family hails from the Bourbon/St. James area. We have a family cemetery just outside of Bourbon. We are old German immigrants from the 1800’s. Thanks for the details. We didn’t know back then.
@shelbyz1974 Жыл бұрын
Wow Allenton! Pretty creepy with those old roads. Nice drone footage Chris!👍
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yes, very creepy
@geno9299 ай бұрын
I lived in Allenton while I was in college. Lots of wonderful people lived there too. We had a small post office, a pawn shop and the church was busy on weekends. We knew all of our neighbors and helped each other when needed. If you followed the road past the old Allenton School, it loops back towards Allenton and ends up on the east side of the church. There was a collection of river cabins along the Meramec that were damaged in the multiple floods along that river! It has a Missouri State River Access point, along Hunters Ford Road. We spent many years fishing and spending time with friends that lived in those old cabins! That was a different time and I do miss it! Thank You for your excellent video!
@colinsuhre1558 Жыл бұрын
The historical context you add to these videos is outstanding. You're a great story teller, which adds a lot to the quality production. Well done!!!
@w8stral Жыл бұрын
The historical context... yes 100% and why I watch. Often VERY interesting. If only he knew what asphalt is while whining about spraying oil on a road... >
@ed9492 Жыл бұрын
The one time eminent domain was a good idea, even if done for the wrong reasons. I hope the development never happens.
@photosbyjf Жыл бұрын
I can remember driving down 44 and seeing the exit for times beach. Years later the sign that indicated "times beach" the letters were gone but you could just see the faded outlines
@charleykeenan6171 Жыл бұрын
I remember this so well.. We were dealing with the issues in Centralia, PA and this was sadly just one more failure.. It was also discovered during the late 1990's that Penn State University had been spraying contaminated "heavy water" from the nuclear lab for years.. Really sad..
@jeffking4176 Жыл бұрын
I definitely remember Times Beach. It was all over the news, for a couple + years. 📻🙂
@empressvogt Жыл бұрын
In the satellite photos of Allenton there's a very few houses that were never torn down. That's cool. :) Makes me wanna visit. Also more ghost towns please.
@williamgates4399 Жыл бұрын
OMG! We used to swim in Times Beach when I was a kid in the 1960s. I grew up in the small town of Maplewood, MO. One of the first cities in St Louis County.
@jasonwomack4064 Жыл бұрын
In fairness, Russell Bliss didnt know the oil was toxic. Some of the dead horses were his, after he sprayed to keep dust down at his own stables.
@nuclearcasserole Жыл бұрын
i met the guy out there on the road once when i was a kid, the yellow stuff he was spraying smelled like a combination weed killer and insecticide, the truck he was driving had the look of a derelict piece of junk, it was a dirt and gravel road, he said he was spraying to keep the dust down. times beach used to be a great swimming area.
@nuclearcasserole Жыл бұрын
@@Dudeguymansir he was just a dumb country boy who figured he could make money doing a community service, with chemicals he did not know anything about. The people he bought the chemicals from had that toxic stuff and played him for the fool.
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
@@nuclearcasserolethings to play out their time speech when the mosquito guy with fog the area pretty neat
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
I think that the one-room schoolhouse is on the historic register site
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
They had a really good restaurant there used to go there a lot now it's a museum Steiny's in
@rosabart7921 Жыл бұрын
Times beach is seriously such a messed up story and it gets most of the publicity but if you were to go north just outside a little town called Moscow mills (my home for most my childhood) there was a horse stable that was coated with the nasty that times beach was too. My mom lived in moscow all her young life, i think she was 32 when our house burnt and we ended up moving, but when she was in grade school (what is now the city hall) she could see the people in hazmat suits working on that area. It sits fenced off to this day, the dioxin never leaves the soil despite their attempts to clean it and there is a creek that runs right by there called crooked creek and on the other side of the highway from the stables is an older junkyard, i personally know one person that died from three types of cancer working there five years, and my mom knows two more, my dad knows 5. its like the last resort, can't find squat job. a lot of people believe its tainted with the dioxin still among god knows what from the junkyard. Times beach on the other hand was turned into a conservation area and to my horror, people fish there and swim... the state should have let people know that its not safe, they are being exposed to such a toxic mess but no.. no warnings. the dioxin mix that was used in the times beach/shenandoah stables, is not one to go away, even taking up layers of dirt couldn't clear it and it leeches into ground water but in case of times beach, it was directly in the water for quite some time because the river would flood the area often. Its seriously scary to know that they know how dangerous it still is and made it a state park. crazy stuff. wouldn't be caught dead hunting or fishing or swimming there period. EDIT: I am pretty sure bliss wasn't aware of the nasty he was spewing out onto the streets. he got all the blame but big corps like that involved, he was a scapegoat. sadly. it ruined this mans life.
@pointlessvideos2321Ай бұрын
He was aware of what the “oils” actually were, but nobody was really aware of the side effects. He sprayed a lady’s stables in Moscow mills with the stuff, and a lot of horses died at her place, even visiting horses got sick and had to be euthanized, or died directly from exposure. He did knowingly mix the chemicals, that he was subcontracted to dispose of, with the motor oil and other contaminants. Times beach also got most of the attention because it was the place that experienced the most contamination. Over 50% of the contamination from the chemical in the whole state was in that one town, that’s also why they built the incinerator there
@JoeJennieJourney Жыл бұрын
I remember both these town's as I'm from St. Louis
@ganggreen9012 Жыл бұрын
My sisters and I road tripped from Ohio to California about 15 years ago. We were in the St. Louis area around noon and decided to stop for lunch at the Rt. 66 State Park, not knowing that it was the Times Beach location. As we were leaving, we stopped in at the visitor center. Interesting to see two very different historical events in the same museum. When we were there the Rt. 66 bridge was open to traffic.
@CJColvin Жыл бұрын
I've would've imagine what Times Beach Missouri would've looked like today, had they not spray deadly oil on the dirt roads but instead paid money for wayyyyyyy better paved roads?
@kenj0418 Жыл бұрын
I expect it would still be gone today, but due to flooding instead of dioxin. I grew up in a similarly flood-prone area a bit down river from Times Beach. After 1993 it was bought out by the county and is deserted now too.
@302Mustang13 Жыл бұрын
The fact that they were dumb enough to spray a dirt road to control dust is dumb enough before considering it being badly toxic. Sounds like the flood would have finished it off anyways.
@CJColvin Жыл бұрын
@@302Mustang13 Exactly mate
@joannunemaker6332 Жыл бұрын
Such a pretty area. It's so sad how humans can destroy so easily.😢
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@CJColvin Жыл бұрын
I know brother
@BeingMe23 Жыл бұрын
The humans are the most dangerous animal species on earth.
@MooseBme Жыл бұрын
!(: I lIke how well and how quick nature takes it back though ;)!
@johnhatchel9681 Жыл бұрын
We build so easily, too.
@dansimon1100 Жыл бұрын
This is a pretty cool awesome video I love Route 66 history. I think I'm seeing that bridge before on another Route 66 video.
@johnsmallberries3476 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! 👊💥
@davestrang8585 Жыл бұрын
I saw times beach before it was a park. Ominous signs everywhere warning of Dioxin. A pretty area. Enjoyed the video🎉🎉
@kerrylawley Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree with your assessment of the "why" Allenton was closed down and razed. The government declared it blighted so they could use imminent domain and also by declaring it blighted the government got additional powers over land owners in the town. It's a great example of government overreach. Allenton was never blighted and the government used the towns lower cost of living (compared to other areas) to claim it was blighted. I can show you many areas of St Louis much more blighted but those areas can't be "sold" by the government.
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
I didn't say anything subjective. I'm confused as to what assessment of mine you're disagreeing with.
@AssholeFace10 ай бұрын
It was government overreach. As soon as they fix that bridge that has been budgeted for, it will look far from blighted 5 years later. Check out north St. Louis City and North County, if you want to see blighted. If only the Eureka board and Mayor Flower would push for the approved bridge... suspiciously no word from the mayor in almost a year. That bridge is very dangerous.
@edwardr7577 Жыл бұрын
I do hope they are able to restore that Bridge.
@AssholeFace10 ай бұрын
All of the plans have been approved by the railroad and MoDot. It is very suspicious that the project hasn't yet begun because the bridge is very dangerous with a very, very low inspection score. It's been almost a year since all approvals were obtained. Eureka just needed to decide on a contractor. Something isn't quite right with the mayor completely silent about it.
@pjesf Жыл бұрын
Damn, I missed those when I did the drive in 2019. Thanks for posting👍🏻
@lorealdrayton6164 Жыл бұрын
Amazinng footage! thank you!
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!
@Tocimah Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I can remember oil put down in central pa but maybe that was machine oil? It would have been nice to see some of the people of the towns. I would think the local historical museum would have that info.
@johng5710 Жыл бұрын
There are indeed plans in the works to restore the Meramec River Bridge into a bicycle/pedestrian bridge, at least that is what I heard.
@AssholeFace10 ай бұрын
All necessary approvals (railroad and MoDOT) were obtained greenlighting the construction almost a year ago, yet crickets from the mayor.
@danwebb5118 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Chris! I lived in Arnold, while working on some Jefferson Barracks VHA projects.
@ruthannelackey8624 Жыл бұрын
Ham’s Fork in Wyoming has the corner blocks left from the buildings and my grandad was born there
@jesscarey7666 Жыл бұрын
Nice work 👍
@jeffking4176 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video ❗️ 📻🙂
@attrell Жыл бұрын
Great videos! I can't help but keep watching more and more. How do you get all the geo information from your GoPro to show up in the footer of your videos?
@Toastybees Жыл бұрын
That school in Allenton had a satellite dish on top and is obviously well maintained, most likely it's now a private residence.
@RebeccaBaker-og9yd5 ай бұрын
Much better than a visitor guide.! But both useful. Thanks! 😮😅😊
@gatewayexplorer99735 ай бұрын
Great video! There’s an abandoned resort across from Times Beach called Beck Park that you should check out.
@dirkwyse1609 Жыл бұрын
Your research is excellent! Also the drone shots are awesome.
@Spooty_Water Жыл бұрын
I love to see urban areas that are now defunct, give me hope the planet with heal itself
@CaptainSouthbird Жыл бұрын
I personally never had a doubt about that... humanity will possibly end up destroying itself, and the planet will eventually just... rebuild.
@colinsuhre1558 Жыл бұрын
Cool duck
@brianberthold3118 Жыл бұрын
Times beach was a Super Fund site .. thats why its not there anymore
@rob178810 ай бұрын
I grew up near here. This was on the news every night. To a child this was very scary and hunting when we drove by it. I drove by it in the 90s when the incinerator was there. I got to visit the park in 2014. It was pretty amazing. Thank for the memories.
@rastus666 Жыл бұрын
Low-water crossings are used across the country because they are so much cheaper than bridges, and often dry. When the water is flowing fast and deep, the rule is: turn around, don’t drown.
@HankPanky Жыл бұрын
The last time I drove by Times Beach you could still see the street grid. Very eerie.
@Greyteam4291 Жыл бұрын
It's a state park now😊
@jetsons101 Жыл бұрын
Chris, just got home from work. Funny thing ---- some of the abandoned streets in Allenton can be viewed on google earth street view. Is the old schoolhouse a private home now? To be honest it takes a while to watch your videos as I'm always pausing and following along on google earth and looking around on street and bird views. That would be nice if the old Route 66 bridge could be made in a walking and biking bridge. Hmmmm Spraying "waste oil" on dirt roads, what could go wrong????? Even spraying use engine oil is still bad, it picks up lead from the "babbitt bearings," and lead and other nasty stuff from the gas used back then. I guess Times Beach puts the "Super" in Superfund Site. Well if the government says "Times Beach is Safe" than that all I need, LOL LOL LOL. Chris, sorry for the long comment but you did say to comment....................... Great watch.
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
I think the old school might be residential. Whether it’s a single or multi-unit idk.
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
It is a single family home now.
@jetsons1014 ай бұрын
@@Nova.1 Looks like a nice house but living on that road could be a little creepy on a rainy night. lol
@LynetteFromme-fi8um Жыл бұрын
Let me know if you’re coming to southern Arizona (if so, wait until after summer) and need any info. I know you can look online but sometimes it helps to get a local’s perspective. I like your videos.
@michaelchappell902 Жыл бұрын
I remember both of these towns. What happened in Times Beach was after the four years that my wife and I lived in St. Louis County.
@johnlevin4567 Жыл бұрын
I like in St Louis. I will definitely be visiting this place, thanks!
@hellokittyfrosting Жыл бұрын
Do you ever plan on exploring the old lead district in SE Missouri?
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Yup! One day
@MiracleFound9 ай бұрын
Doe Run. I know a guy who received a huge settlement as a result.
@mikejones13288 ай бұрын
Great mini documentary
@sully00017 ай бұрын
If you keep driving southerly from Allenton, you will see numerous homes and houses that were built well after Six Flags was built. The Visitors center was a Bar when I was a kid. The town wasn't some place where you wanted to go, naturally neither was the bar. I was a teen when the Dioxin scandal happened, and remember the flood that annihilated the town.
@johnbuckner2200 Жыл бұрын
A great place to leave bodies. A couple of good bridges would make the area viable again.
@amypotter100011 ай бұрын
Fantastic video!!
@jameschristiansson3137 Жыл бұрын
One of your best vids. Enjoyed,.
@KeithCindyPanama Жыл бұрын
In Maryland they used to spray DDT to control mosquito’s in 1970s
@davestrang8585 Жыл бұрын
The oil itself didn't contain dioxin it was the weed control chemical silvex or 2 4 5 T that degraded and dioxin formed. Silvex was used in many agricultural areas before it was banned.
@elliebellie7816 Жыл бұрын
The end of local train stops and the coming of the Interstate Highway System was the ruination of many many small towns, my own hometown was one of them.
@bretthousman83179 ай бұрын
there were winners and losers to the highway system certainly
@twobrokeguyz1214 Жыл бұрын
As of this exact moment, your video about abandoned ghost towns along route 66 has 666 up votes. The time is 11:06. Just thought I'd write that.
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Haha nice
@betornween Жыл бұрын
Mother Nature always wins.
@MiracleFound9 ай бұрын
My husband and I looked at a house in Times Beach about 3 years before they closed it all down.
@sammehlberg66649 ай бұрын
My mother in law and her family grew up in times beach. It definitely effected them
@toomuchyoutube Жыл бұрын
When the government bought the town and removed all the hazardous soil, etc, where did they take the hazardous soil, etc?
@googleandyoutubeareevil Жыл бұрын
They incirnerated it to make it safe.
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
It was incinerated right in times beach. But they also bought in more toxic waste to be incinerated as well.
@mariakettlehut7399 Жыл бұрын
Give it time some developer will build up the floor plain and start building.
@AssholeFace10 ай бұрын
It won't happen until the new bridge is built. There is nothing stopping the City from moving forward.
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
I cant believe it hasnt already been built up. Land it that area is highly sought after and there are some million dollar houses around there. No doubt they will eventually build a levee and deem it safe and build a bunch of expensive houses which will in turn cause worse flooding down river. It's BS these places are allowed to do that. Besides mother nature can't be controlled and levees can be breached in heavy flooding and the damage is not pretty.
@marthamcquaid5440 Жыл бұрын
Is the old school in Eureka a residence ? I noticed that it has a mailbox and the it was in mazing condition?
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
Yes it is.
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
Imagine someday Pacific will start building houses there
@kenberrie7843 Жыл бұрын
i was just thinking of missouri and how close it is to the new-madrid fault line, arn't they due for a major shaker soon??? whooosh!!
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
I live in st louis county and yes I've heard for a while a big one should happen soon. There was a small quake here about 15 years ago that damaged my house a bit. I cant even imagine what kind of damage a big one will cause. Sadly I think most people around here are oblivious that were are on a fault line.
@302Mustang13 Жыл бұрын
East St Louis should completely go back to nature as well.
@forrestunderwood31747 ай бұрын
Hey video creator, FYI, if you really want older aerial imagery, always check a county's GIS site. St. Louis County has imagery starting with the USDA flights in 1937, and continuing with county flights roughly about every 10 years.
@forrestunderwood31747 ай бұрын
Also, I've seen oil sprayed on a gravel road, In NE Iowa I think, for approximately a 100 yard stretch in front of somebody's rural lot. What's that about modern people being more educated?
@elainedewild20233 ай бұрын
Wonder why the building where the route 66 museum is didn't get bulldozed wasn't it also contaminated?
@RADIUMGLASS Жыл бұрын
Since this area was destroyed was it ever proposed to be a landfill?
@xfloodcasual8124 Жыл бұрын
God bless America
@bas1010 Жыл бұрын
Excellent music cboice!!!
@JasonMartin91523 күн бұрын
Do the street lights still work, I mean is there still power flowing to them?
@davidfelber51882 ай бұрын
My grandparents was fred and eulah Deuschle my uncle Charles my mother Ina Deuschle ,, i hope someone might remember them
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
I used to play in Allentown now the only thing there is the deers
@human830711 ай бұрын
So they burned the soil and put the dioxin into the air? Or does that not happen with that chemical. What happened to the guy that was doing the spraying for those years?
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
In was put in an incinerator but I'm not exactly sure how those work. Russell bliss is who did the spraying. He was basically lied to from the companies he collected it from. Bliss never did any jail time nor do I believe he lost any of the lawsuits. He'd also sprayed his own horse farm with it and it kicked several horses. But his reputation was pretty much trashed after that.
@dionneredman50142 ай бұрын
Check out Kinloch while you're in the STL area.
@ChrisHarden2 ай бұрын
Did >>>> kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6rWdJWhpqd-hposi=hEVSsi3ZxGCdEwR5 Such a disaster.
@majorsellllllllll3 ай бұрын
You should have someone proofread and edit your script. Still a nice video
@landseer223 ай бұрын
I currently reside on Allenton Rd
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 Жыл бұрын
So Allentown was wiped out by politics. Time to beach was wiped out by crazy greedy and I could use a few other adjectives people. They could not afford to do anything with the gravel roads back then but now you have some nice paved roads to drive around on and it's vacant. Just as far north as this is south of i-70 who used to visit some friends of my parents. We would ride with them on the church bus. Now just a little kid. But I remember the bus driver pulling over and they had to navigate around this guy who was spraying. He told us put up all the windows before we got on the gravel road keep the dust out. Anyway his truck look like a piece of crap. The same guy also wiped out a horse stable nearby. As I've mentioned before I travel to the area occasionally. Maybe it's his chance passing of this guy oil in the road that perk my are interested later or maybe it was a news report but I followed times Beach ⛱️ over the years. By the way where that church used to be that I spoke of Way north of i-70. That county has paid over 90% it's gravel roads. I wonder if there's a connection? I don't know.
@StefannieRose-f2hАй бұрын
I lived in both towns.
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
I lived in times beach for a while
@alancoker1459 Жыл бұрын
Grass sure is short for an abandoned town🤔🤔🤔
@petegregory517 Жыл бұрын
An acquaintance took the 66 route some 20 years ago. Got about 3-4 days in and came home. Total waste of time according to he and his wife. Too each……… .
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Road trips aren’t for everyone
@adolfsizzler4669 Жыл бұрын
The schoolhouse on allenton looked like it had a tv satellite dish on the top right corner. 🧐🧐🧐
@jakekees847 Жыл бұрын
Its a private residence now
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
I suspected that it was turned into a residential space.
@MrBerndvonfunk Жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos, always something interesting. Allenton would be a good location for a homeless camp. Portable housing and run buy the Military.
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
Yeah try to convince all the homeowners that in that area. The only that will ever be built there is exclusive homes.
@RemusKingOfRome Жыл бұрын
They should run wild deer on the park, just to see if the soil is ok. If the deer don't die then ..
@darreldelmain8041 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Allentown
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
That was never supposed to be a town times Beach was just supposed to be a vacation place
@ChicoTheMan69 Жыл бұрын
Did you catch a ghost 👻 or did you get slimed? 😅 Chasing shadows.
@alejandroalvarado0180 Жыл бұрын
Victim of conspiracy from those in power. Yeah. Soo typical. Here in the US.
@shirleylavernerosej.1209 ай бұрын
Yes go reclaim use farmers lawsuit by it not having sewers & the reason the voted to blight the town to show it was a farming town farmer’s community.
@jetsons101 Жыл бұрын
First??????????? Just went on break.
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Haha yup!
@jetsons101 Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHarden Sorry about my second comment being SSSsoooooo long. lol
@randomvintagefilm273 Жыл бұрын
Gambling is still considered sinful....and stupid
@ChrisHarden Жыл бұрын
Not viewed to be as sinful as it was 50 years ago.
@HankPanky Жыл бұрын
Nobody really owns their property.
@Nova.14 ай бұрын
True, the government can declare eminent domain for pretty much any reason they want now. In kirkwood missouri they declared a small area of low income, mostly black folks with eminent domain. All so they could build another walmart and a huge retail area. Eminent domain was supposed to be used for streets and such for the better of the public. Not for the better of Sam Waltons greedy kids. A few of thise city officials ended up getting shot and killed for that mess.
@mikekeeler636211 ай бұрын
Times Beach ain't haunted
@shirleylavernerosej.1209 ай бұрын
Facebook marketing
@Nunofurdambiznez Жыл бұрын
thumbs DOWN! Horribly annoying background music!!
@junaidunar9148 Жыл бұрын
I love the United States and the American people, my brain contains 70% of information related to the US, I wish to visit US one day, I will probably cry that day. Love from other side of the world.