I Was Wrong About My Weapon Tier List?! (TSMFTX Competitive Tier List)

I was Wrong about my Season 12 Apex Legends Weapon Tier List? Let’s see where TSMFTX and I differ with our opinikns! Comment who you agree with! Subscribe & Hit the bell to get my uploads! bit.ly/2ejoOyw | Twitter: rayndaygaming | Follow the stream, Raynstorm! ► twitch.tv/raynday
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[@joaquinc1523]

Its always interesting to see how different streamers, youtubers, pros, etc can have such different tier lists. Btw this is my 5th gun tier list ive watched and although there is some similarities across all of them; theyre all also different

[@Djuane]

I would definitetly rather pick up a mozambique over a eva 8 you can hit people at range for good damage. The repeater should be higher

[@newpolitician]

Most people don’t realize the mozam is also full auto

[@s1mp_licity38]

Mozambique is actually kind of insane on drop. Like definitely don't hold onto it but you can two tap pretty easy with that thing and the accuracy is perfect everytime

[@Alphriel]

The EVA's so bad nowadays

[@guccicody3647]

@@newpolitician i dont know how many times ive been told this simple fact, despite that I continue to click each shot lol

[@ignition1335]

I think bow is D only because of the ammo if it was light or any other type of ammo it would be A tier beats every marksman and sniper by far

[@churrgee3675]

Needs to be a care pack weapon imo , i've only ever used the bow when there's literally nothing else

[@QualityQuad]

A charge rifle will roll a dumb little bow boy from miles away in masters and above

[@e30fanatic0]

Yo bro i love the type of videos youve been putting out! Some awesome VOD reviews to some great entertainment. Keep up the awesome work brother!

[@Trash0000]

S: flatline, r301, wingman, car, mastiff, pk A: r9, havoc, rampage, sentinel B: hemlok, triple take, 30 30, prowler, alternator C: Mozambique, longbow, charge rifle D: L-Star, p2020, re45, bocek E:Eva 8 Trash: devotion

[@vysionr]

agree to everything except devotion, C tier

[@ricocarpenter2189]

This is a very interesting list. Id put the bocek, Eva, and devotion higher.

[@Trash0000]

@@ricocarpenter2189 where I put bocek is probably more just cuz I suck with it tbh

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@Trash0000 Understandable lol

[@colinryan4737]

Devo trash 😂 🗑. Love it. I 100% agree with you

[@Agoraphobia07]

The Bow should go up a bit, and the Havoc with the Flatline being in the replicator should go up a tier or 2, based on pure consistent convenience and the fact that the Havoc at hip fire is a shredding machine. So on days where the TC is in the replicator, the Havoc becomes A bare minimum in my opinion. The rest of the list, I agree with though. The 99, if you miss the first 2 bullets you’re toast, it’s just too inconsistent for me, so I agree with them. Ammo is not a problem with the bow if you start with 2 stacks of arrows. You don’t blow through ammo like the other weapons. It’s actually relatively easy to find more arrows as you rotate AND get your arrows back as you loot death boxes. I don’t think “lack of ammo” is a plausible reason to drop it.

[@johnnyirons222]

Idk I think Devo should be up there to maybe it’s because the Devo is my baby but I think it should be up there with the Havoc as well

[@newpolitician]

Havoc w/ turbo is fastest ttk of all ARs

[@porgianohome7622]

Car is amazing, people just need to know how to use it and people just dismiss it too quickly

[@kijannaplays]

this new thumbnail design is IT

[@asmrslimraven]

The Volt is definetly S Tier even before care package

[@dreamwalkertunes]

I would put car and wingman both A tier. Wingman is such a value weapon up close and far away. And car with it’s dual compatibility can transform into an r3 or a flatline or a buncha stuff as you head to endgame. Plus it’s the best off the ground smg.

[@taco_sensei]

They should just bring g7 back from the package imo

[@LateBandwagon]

Bro they need another energy gun for floor loot. I can’t run my havoc anymore

[@taco_sensei]

@@LateBandwagon I just want selectfire for havoc back, hop up or no... I loved that

[@skullfactor123.]

Some guns on controller are crazy like the prowler, car hip firing them are great

[@joshjavieraka3j]

Havoc vs Devo for me without turbo? Havoc a bit better. Then again I don't really like recoil. On top of that I feel like the havoc cuts the power up with the turbo compared to without it whereas the Devo speed goes to its max with turbo instead of powering up to it

[@andrew08857]

These edits are solid

[@michaelprice3040]

I mean the more guns that end up on an even playing field the more spread out the gun variety your against. Hate having to face bots always using the same fkn gun. It’s tiring

[@d15p4tch6]

One important thing is that the best weapons for Pros and Streamers is radically different than your average or especially beginner player. Not only are they playing an entirely different game, they just hit more shots, so small mag weapons are better.

[@Darkrocmon]

Consistency also matters that's why a decent amount of pros only use R9 in pubs.

[@d15p4tch6]

@@Darkrocmon agreed

[@BaconNDCheese]

Volt is S tier on the ground and in the package. The recoil and damage is just insane Also I would put the 30.30 in E tier just because of its iron sights. That was also my problem with the G7, the iron sights were so bad.

[@XO_Keo]

Dang I think the 3030 repeater has some of the best iron sights in the game. Along with the volt, hemlock, and flatline. I play a lot of call of duty so the 3030 iron sights feels at home

[@batimposter4082]

@@XO_Keo nah it’s easily one if the worst with its clutter

[@Rareapexenjoyer_1]

The 3030 goes in c tier in my opinion but I also want to talk about how the car is an a tier weapon because it does more damage than the r9 and it only shoot .02 seconds slower

[@gabeboiadvanced7295]

My list, (I'm on controller) S- Kraber, Volt, R-301, C.A.R. A- Spitfire, Hemlock, Prowler, R-99, Alternator, Mastiff, Flatline B- RE 45, havoc, rampage, Wingman, Peace Keeper C- Devotion, L-Star D- P-2020, Eva 8 E- 30-30 Repeater, Bocek 🗑️- Mozambique, longbow, sentinel, Charge Rifle

[@joeldunsdon9801]

Proof that nobody has everything. Fill your gaming skill tree and your personality skill tree has to be left empty.

[@zacharymiller2292]

The R9 is a classic smg. I feel like it’s perfect atm

[@yuripatterson7525]

Yesterday's update nerfed the alternator?

[@SUPAFLANDY]

I love the Repeater and Longbow

[@Cake9059-q1o]

Issues with wingman is it takes too much skill compared to every other weapon

[@yaniv8792]

As a controller player that's played for numerous seasons, this tier list was very odd for me. But hey Im not a pro mnk player so maybe something I'm missing. Some SUPER SPICY placements though on this list

[@thewriterforge]

also you are controller so guns play and feel different than mouse and keyboards

[@yaniv8792]

@@thewriterforge yeah I knew there'd be differences. Just didn't think they'd rank like that. I see heaps of MnK players rocking guns that I often use

[@guccicody3647]

@@yaniv8792 wingman on mnk is just too clean, while when i played on controller it was the worst thing ever. partly because wingman on mnk legit has this cowboy draw feel to it were you just pull it out track for the head and click, no aim no struggle just a fluid shot.

[@yaniv8792]

@@guccicody3647 yeah I think Wing is definitely more an mnk gun. It's got the highest risk reward, or close to imo.

[@bradschmitt1990]

Terrible. Hal literally is throwing this list. I've played in both platforms, and repeater with practice is B/A tier

[@Lysanderofthewildwind]

Tier lists don't means much i think your list is very decent and honest.

[@cthomp81]

Comes down to controller vs keyboard and mouse, my top gun I tried to get flatline, rampage, r301, hemlock, secondary is sentinel, 3030, triple take, and with 3x bocex

[@dustindeville4460]

I think eva 8 was a good call, the 3030 rating i would give a B

[@supreme84x]

They are just flat out wrong on so many, but especially the 30-30. Put shattercaps on that and it's better than an eva or Mozambique, but then you can ads for long range. I've won so many fights and games with it. Had so many naysayer teammates who couldn't believe I solo'ed a guy with only 30-30 hip fire.

[@juicypanda677]

No offense bro but these guys are some of the best players in the world and you look like a plat 😂

[@supreme84x]

@@juicypanda677 They're controller players....

[@juicypanda677]

@@supreme84x only Verhulst is bro how do you not know this

[@supreme84x]

@@juicypanda677 I have a life.

[@juicypanda677]

@@supreme84x buddy it’s Imperial Hal everybody that’s plat or above knows he’s a pc player and I’m not the garbage player that’s saying pros don’t know what there doing 😂

[@romant3918]

The Car is very slept on and is A tier if not S, it's one of the scariest guns to fight against up close and is a one clip machine on controller.

[@jchzzeemp594]

Lol wow! Some wild choices on all your parts

[@alexrush9797]

I’m just here for the vibes

[@ironviper72]

As someone who can destroy with the 30-30 and hemlock, those would be S tier for me. But obviously every player is going to have different opinions on every gun. Interesting to see TSMs opinions on the weapons though

[@StudioNBS]

inspiring me to try and be an esports caster 🙌🏼

[@22apheat]

Dude the car absolutely shreds if you’re accurate. It kills so fast

[@FeebleDaddy]

The Bocek slander 😤😤😤

[@stanleyfranks9891]

Hal is a magical princess…. princess!! A baby boy

[@yagonu8871]

This is the correct tier list, not in order S. Kraber A.flatline, spitfire(for now), rampage, r301, volt, wingman, r99, PK, Mastif, B. Triple take, CAR, Prowler, havoc, alternator, G7(for now) C. Lstar, hemlock, charge rifle, sentinel, longbow D. Re-45, mozam, p2020, 30-30, bocek E. Eva-8, devotion

[@Alex-tp8zo]

Tbh I agree with all of those except I would switch the sentinel and longbow with the re-45 and 30-30. Just because I prefer the 30-30 over those snipers and now with hammerpoint the re-45 is pretty solid.

[@Titanus2057]

Not correct devo B tier

[@surrealseconder1382]

The scout was my fav gun it need to back to ground loot

[@jmh7942]

When I (controller player) do an at home tier list I have 3 categories; Consistent damage output, Versatility, & Ease of Use. (bonus: does it need a mod to be good = -1point). I rate each gun in each category with a 1-5 point system (5 = best) - (14-15 points = S Tier, 12-13 = A, 10-11 = B, 8-9 = C, 3-7 = D) . For example: The Kraber is clearly the most powerful gun in the game but it's not versatile (unless you're a god tier player and can consistently hit point blank no scopes) so for the majority of players it's versatility is low at about a 2. Ease of use.... I'd give it a 3. How often do you actually hit more than 50% of the shots, and due to them most likely being at longer ranges, how often are those hits actual kills? So for me the Kraber is 5 for damage output, 2 for versatility, & 3 for Ease of use = 10 points = B Tier. It may be the most powerful gun in the game but if you can't hit your shots consistently it's not really that good. If you only had the most powerful gun in the game (kraber) and got pushed with someone that had just an RE45 you'd probably lose that fight unless you hit a lucky headshot or 2 body shots before they dumped a mag in you, so is it really S Tier?

[@JezebelIsHongry]

Havoc is slept on. Hip fire spin up, ads to beam.

[@JezebelIsHongry]

Holy shit. Right in the suggestion box below this vid is Aceu new vid. Havoc baby. Trust this gun is slept on…

[@AltusAtlas]

I got my own tier list as a top Lifeline main and holy is it so different from these guys 😂

[@DelroyDennie]

Don't sleep on the CAR

[@ponyboygolden963]

First? i aint mad at it hahaha. Love to see the continual growth Rayn, proud to have been here for a hot min now!

[@RayndayGaming]

Glad to have ya homie!!

[@ponyboygolden963]

btw im at work rn dont snitch hahaha

[@alexandertso8240]

Seems like there just going by what they like not statistics but oh well to each his own.

[@RemedieX]

Eva truly is garbage rn; Mozam everyday over it. Also, the CAR is one of the best guns, but the recoil is among the hardest to master, so maybe it suffers from consistency issues and that brings it down. Nonetheless, it's high B tier, and that's not bad at all. It's just that using it close range against a PK is pretty much suicide in dome, door, corner, or just in barrelstuffing fights. PK or Mastiff will shred you up, and they have better 1v3 potential, are more ammo efficient, require less attachments, and have easier recoil so they're pretty consistent. If you want to have a more medium range weapon, then the CAR is good, but so is the R-301 and Flatline (despite having to craft it, which is honestly easy) so may as well go with them instead and have the extra range boost. I can see the CAR being the best choice when running a sniper though.

[@odinez7010]

sooo many weapons!

[@squadwionyt4797]

They called the eva 8 trash tier. I been calling that gun the trash-8 ever since launch. I just never got it.

[@supaipai420]

The Bocek is trash 🗑️ now because of Nicewigg complaining about it when it was amazing!

[@RideTheGamer]

*waddup waddup*

[@yeahimagamer1698]

Wingman S tier car A tier havoc C

[@RedxDJCashpal]

Havoc feels A tier this season

[@Shakura8]

your'e not wrong. It's your opinion ...

[@markwhitt8256]

30 30 (S) CAR (S) these guys are crazy

[@swagfiltr894]

I love the r9

[@ashryver3605]

More like " my preferences and bias to not try other guns ". Pros will use the same gun for a year, and ignore one that hasn't been changed, then someone will use it and a wave of circlejerk will start and suddenly its an amazing gun that never changed. Bow is A tier ever since crafter gave ammo, Mande and Taisheen, but specifically Mande, prove this day in and day out. All the pros in pred lobby whinge about bow and any Gibraltar with a bow that shreds them they think it's Mande. It's better than a longbow by a mile, and is better than a wing at range. 30-30 is another scuffed choice from pros. It's not even like three weeks ago where Hal, Mande, and a few other pros started to circlejerk with the 30 lol. The list is way too saturated in B C to even really consider. Prowler is not close to 99 for PC players, 30-30 has more use cases and reliability than the longbow. Wingman is A tier. Havoc is a gun that the pros don't use in general other than Taxi besides the videos every now and again "omg havoc op?". Besides the spinup making it a bad secondary in some scenarios it's headshot damage and hipfire close range power is wild. Shouldn't even be in the same tier as 99.

[@TheEnigma271]

R99 is no lower than B tier and car is probably A tier if you learn the recoil. I still prefer the r99 tho

[@muzankibutsuji8919]

Honestly they put the scout too low. Maybe the keep it on double tap or something but single fire can burst down enemies extremely fast and from far away Also the recoil is easy to use

[@dbell3811]

Bow should be care package only

[@Cake9059-q1o]

Flatline been broke for fucking ages

[@kellantothemax35]

Wingman s tier no matter what pc or controller it is good I use controller and I have a pc but not on it couldn’t figure it out

[@marcogeorgoussis5531]

I agree with r99 in C tbh. It's not awful but CAR is straight up better and more versatile because of taking both ammo's.

[@RONTHEGOAT]

eva 8 is a dumpster gun for me

[@taco_sensei]

Yeah I don't like it either anymore but it used to be incredibly broken I exploited the f outta it

[@chadboy1515]

Fucking awful gun. Literally hits 6-12s from any range outside of 1 meter. You’d be better off just hipfiring any gun in the game

[@Official_Treins]

CAR is S tier man

[@Dayz671]

Bocek, is better than the triple take it should be B or A tier. I watch Mande use it so no way it below Triple.

[@whodatjt]

R99 is at least a B. I have it in A. I’m on controller though

[@tannerhochhalter2077]

Spitfire s teir and car a teir but other than that agree

[@madmagz9065]

Honestly dude Tsm gun list is so scuffed and don't agree on quite a few of the choices

[@joshualoos1219]

Eva 8 is totally trash tier. Lol

[@averagetoachievetruefreedo4064]

Mozampeak

[@surrealseconder1382]

The gun this season sucks

[@KINGTYRELL22]

WHY IS IT SO MANY TIERS!!!!!!!!

[@xX-Logic-]

30-30 minimum B tier

[@xX-Logic-]

Same with the Bow

[@LazySativa]

these guys are smoking seaweed man lmao wingman and car are s stier no doubt longbow too

[@sromer43]

eva 8 sucks if ya say no u are in gold

[@everydayfootball438]

Some of these are wack but it’s maybe just cause imma controller and there not

[@IAMAdamJay]

Scene it

[@lordpoonslayer7808]

Why are you basing your tier list off of someone else? Cool their top players at the game but even I’m not afraid to admit what I think is powerful

[@derek702dwreck]

Nope there wrong

[@dad1967]

Nah bro r99 and wingman s tier

[@dbell3811]

Make your own .don't tack away from thair vido ..un less you have people support thair vido...

[@zhahyan179]

1st

[@dachless]

Honestly, their list is just scuffed is all. Them putting eva-8 in trash tier shows that their tierlist IS ACTUALLY SCUFFED

[@nokta7373]

How? EVA-8 is garbage tier, I'd rather have a mozzie all day.

[@dachless]

@@nokta7373 your only saying that if you have hammers on it. I admit, Eva isn't higher than b tier, but provided your patient with it, the Eva is pretty ok

[@nokta7373]

@@dachless Every weapon is workable, even P2020. Point is, every shotgun is better than EVA-8, even the no-hammerpoint mozzie. Which tanks the rank of EVA-8. Is just not worth picking up over any other shotgun.

[@Dragon-te2ji]

@@dachless even without hammer i would pick mozam over eva. Mozam is more accurate and more strafe speed

[@Dillonkkk]

That was funny