‘I wouldn’t trust some police officers with a pen, let alone a Taser’ | Shabnam Chaudhri

“Now is not the time to start arming every single officer with a Taser.”
The police needs to clean up in-house policing and rebuild trust before arming officers, says former Detective Supt. Shabnam Chaudhri after the Hainault attack.
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[@keithhall3015]

I don’t think all officers should be armed. But I don’t trust some politicians with a pen and yet we let them run this country

[@owenokane9643]

Yet imagine politicians with tasers.

[@deemo5245]

No doubt, but that system has been in place a long time. This would be creating a new situation that doesn’t have to be created.

[@ryaneveritt8324]

Heard a quote similar to that this, which I’ve never forgot. “If you let the Government govern the people, they just want more government, but who is governing the governors of said government?”

[@OsirusHandle]

YOU VOTE THEM IN

[@AH17293]

I think they should be. They are armed in Northern Ireland.

[@anglo-saxonenglish3565]

Wasn't Sarah Everard's killer a "trusted professional police officer"?

[@TheJon2442]

Sadly some are bad. But never forget politicians don't become criminals!

[@TG-ts3xn]

Yep. Wait until you hear about Muslims!

[@angussoutter7824]

Correct

[@TheJon2442]

@@TG-ts3xn you mean Sir Beer Starmer's gang friends!

[@TheJon2442]

@@TG-ts3xn you mean Sir Beer Starmer's gang friends!

[@stevenperrin6010]

Shabnam Chaudri wants to thank herself she isn’t in the country of her origin for policing

[@gwynhyfer]

Anyone remember how the police followed an innocent person onto a train and shot him because he looked like a terrorist. Terrible idea.

[@susannahhunt100]

I remember it all to well.

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

the Brazilian fellow shortly after 7/7 I believe?

[@cianog]

You mean the armed officers who put their lives at risk chasing a suspected suicide bomber?

[@suckurmum6566]

@@cianogyou mean armed police officers shooting a civilian because they didn’t do their jobs properly🤦‍♂️

[@cianog]

@@suckurmum6566 Says the armchair warrior.

[@mikeraven5751]

How did this woman ever manage to achieve high rank in the Met ? I spent 30 years in the job and so glad that I never had her as a partner !

[@alanfrost4661]

Because shes ethnic

[@markmiller6402]

That’s not a good idea, a better idea would be stiffer sentencing. If you get 10 years, you do 10 years.

[@matteuklol]

this. and the parole board should be sacked and put younger staff in

[@Gapis321]

And dismiss killed/crippled PCs as collateral damage that comes with the job? Of course arming police nationwide wouldn't happen overnight, and would require significant reforms, but it should at least be seriously considered.

[@superhumantrueman]

@@Gapis321 Why arm them all? Why not just increase the number of highly trained, armed response units?

[@britlaker]

That means funding a publicly owned Prison Service..... something the Tories haven't done since they took power in 2010.... So in 2024, offenders are released early to make room for new offenders because there are no new prisons, existing prisons are falling apart or no longer fit for use and 1000's fewer prison officers than required thanks to the tory policy of a privately run for profit prison service.

[@Jacksimon18909]

​@@Gapis321yes they are collateral but don't pretend like they're valuable.

[@ad_gloriam_dei]

Why DONT they already have Tasers??? ATLEAST.

[@krshoreham7634]

I agree

[@juliemassey154]

A police officer has tasered a blind man because he thought his stick was a samurai sword

[@heartery8698]

in america.

[@juliemassey154]

@@heartery8698 No in the UK

[@j_j_t.]

@@heartery8698 It was in Chorley my guy

[@jessventures6172]

@@heartery8698 I did see a video of something like this that happened in the US. what happened in the UK??

[@barbarybar]

Happened near us in Chorley. He will never live it down.

[@marklawrence8517]

No way.. Like the lady said.. Can't trust them with a pen.

[@Alix-dy8ou]

woman*.

[@David-bs6fq]

Police in UK are like all society, there are some weak links

[@Jacksimon18909]

​​@@Alix-dy8ouA woman is a lady my dude.

[@JIMTHESimmy]

But what if the need arises and they need a gun and or taser

[@TheLucanicLord]

Too many masons. They all cover for each other.

[@Martynjs]

The fact that the officer at the scene failed to use her taser properly and effectively shows serious shortcomings in training - I suspect she panicked. Shabnam speaks sense.

[@themaninblack8271]

Kills me that people like yourself constantly put out confident yet very wrong statements. It took 3 taser shots from two separate taser guns to put the guy down. The officers were trained fine but tasers have a almost 50% fail rate and require multiple things to work for the right reaction. Tasers are not the answer to lethal force never have been.

[@OneBanana1979]

Megalomaniacs in costumes given weapons, what could possibly go wrong.

[@paulineashcroft1485]

Two tier tasering.

[@anonymousone6075]

people not capable of a 1on1 should never be given weapons

[@deeboo9978]

How can you arm the same police force whose vetting and disciplinary system isn’t even up to standard yet. Wasn’t it last year 1000 officers alone just in Met either suspended, under investigation, restricted duties. Thats not including the rest of the country.

[@nas84payne]

We’d have police like what they have in America. It’d be a disaster.

[@kenmacfarlane8744]

Reading through the comments here I think we should have a register whereby those who hate the police details are recorded. Those on the register are not to be attended to by any one of UK police forces.

[@b.bradley6525]

So the people on the register get a tax break then right? Cause they shouldn't be paying for a service they can't use.

[@Brit605]

sorry but it completely bewilders me that we have officers on the streets without even tasers in this day and age where crime is so high, honestly mental just adding more threat and danger to the job

[@pauljenkinson1452]

UK people should have never handed their guns in because this never happened when the UK had guns.

[@TheCodingOdyssey]

Someone is confusing police officers with John Wick :))

[@SirKeefyKeef]

Make sure you miss all the wrong ‘uns like those rapists and murderers put into jail over the last few years then OK? This is an idiotic idea put forward by fools.

[@donallen1384]

We don’t want our police officers in the U.K armed with a gun, but they could all be trained to use and carry a taser!

[@steve00alt70]

Let this women who is interviewed at the start to put herself in the police officers shoes. If she applied to be an officer she would quickly change her mind.

[@Sadiq-Khan-of-London]

Remember the non threatening dog who got tased. If this is how they deal with non threatening situations, wouldn't like to see them with a threatening situation. Even if they are armed by the time they turn up to the scene everyone has gone anyways.🤣

[@alanmale7011]

Loving that you are questioning a Detective on what patrolling officers should or shouldn’t have or use when dealing with dangerous people. True leadership skills on display here…

[@chairkun3095]

Not allowed to defend yourself, and the people whose responsibility it is to defend you as a result aren't allowed the tools to defend you. You can definitely tell who's lived a privileged life.

[@SparrowwithaMachinegun]

Do you honestly think If we sold guns in UK that violant crime would go down??

[@risingsheep2983]

@@SparrowwithaMachinegun when a person does an attack like this it only takes one legally armed good guy to stop them. Even if violent crime doesn't go down, the damage these violent criminals can do, will/could be limited by the armed good guys. One thing you have to understand is, the law says you cannot carry weapons in public, but these crazy violent people do it anyway. So now when a weapon is used on a law abiding citizen, they aren't able to put up an adequet defence, because they follow the law and thus arent armed. So, in reality the only people protected by weaopns restrictions ARE THE CRIMINALS!!! If someone attacks me with a weapon in public im basically dead, I just want to stay alive, thats all.

[@SparrowwithaMachinegun]

Just know that if we started selling guns in UK I'd be the guy reselling them to criminals for profit :D Understand that.

[@Mike88548]

​@SparrowwithaMachinegun that's happening anyway lol

[@SparrowwithaMachinegun]

@@Mike88548 So, I'll ask again. Do you honestly believe violant crime would go DOWN if we sold guns to public?

[@turboslag]

Imagine the likes of Wayne Cousins having a taser as standard issue, or, god forbid, a sidearm!!!! Innocent people would be getting ventilated for even looking at a cop the wrong way, in their oppinion.

[@user-mg8zt2ix3l]

He was attached to the armed response teams

[@mickydroyboy1542]

He had a taser

[@turboslag]

@@user-mg8zt2ix3l Ok, but that doesn't entail carrying a sidearm as standard, everyday issue. Armed response are called out for specific incidents and are issued arms appropriately. Officers carrying sidearms, like in the USA, is a totally different ballgame

[@matthewcummings9024]

@@turboslag No he was armed full time. Part of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection group. Carried an MP5.

[@turboslag]

@@matthewcummings9024 Good grief almighty, that is scary!!!!! Is there ANY vetting in the force??!!

[@obi1kenobi137]

It’s ironic that a former police boss who last worked response years and years ago before sitting in an ivory tower should be the one to be trusted on her opinion. I’m sure if faced with a violent knife man she would not want a sidearm… tasers don’t always work and other than that your in hand to hand combat. I feel sorry for bobbies.

[@johngregson9827]

Lord no , you would have people being shot for wrong think, especially with some of these snowflakes we currently have in the state police. Arming every officer would be dangerous to the public there are too many devients in the current state police force and think of the friendly fire risk with some of these officers.

[@kelvinpell4571]

Imagine ARMING the islamists recruited into our Police forces to meet the woke targets?

[@stephenholmes1036]

If officers are to issued with tasers. They must be fully trained and mentally assessed first.

[@user-ny8ot7vz4w]

That is what already happens

[@Jacksimon18909]

​@@user-ny8ot7vz4wActually it doesn't because there's plenty of them who deploy them immediately for no reason.

[@user-ny8ot7vz4w]

What stats and information do you have to back up that comment? Officers do have to be assessed and trained before being allowed to carry a taser, that's a fact.

[@amethegoblin]

@@Jacksimon18909 Actually it does. It just obviously doesn't work.

[@Ricimer671]

Christ if you are going to have police mentally assessed you won't have any police at all!

[@gabrielletanner5339]

They cannot protect themselves let alone the public...while monsters run amok..

[@regd.2263]

A ninety three year old one legged pensioner in a care home in a wheelchair with dementia, was tasered pepper sprayed hit with a batton dragged from his wheelchair and arrested taken into custody then to hospital and died a few weeks later. They were in Westminster court last week.

[@Crunch2327]

Officers react to incidents against the defenseless public, better off allowing the public the means to defend themselves

[@perarduaadastra873]

250,000 citizens in the Czech Republic have passed training to conceal carry firearms as a matter personal, public and national safety, honour and integrity. Why is the UK so oppressive to its own people's safety? Prohibiting inanimate objects is not logical. Prohibiting members of the public training to professional standards is not logical.

[@riverraven7359]

because we have 70 million idiots who all hate each other crammed into an overcrowded island "enriched" by multiculturalism and diversity to split along, ethnic, religious and wealth lines , all governed by corrupt politicians and scumbag police.

[@joshebbrell]

Because one country was able to get training doesn’t mean we should, even if you get training that doesn’t mean there’s not a risk of fatality.

[@risingsheep2983]

because if we cant figh the gov they 100% controll us, thats why they want us disarmed, too bad most people in the uk are against guns. most people in the uk think more weapons restrictions will magically stop criminals from breaking the law. absolute joke of a country

[@qasimmir7117]

If every officer is to be routinely armed for defence then it is only fair that the people have the right to do the same. The authorities having that right only is too much of an imbalance of power. We have far too many as is, we don’t need another, especially one such as this.

[@Conner.YorkshireRichmond]

Guns are for Police and military,farmers,only some People can own gun in Britain,iwouldnt trust certain demographics in London with guns

[@johna9194]

As someone from Northern Ireland, I find it mad that all police in the UK don't carry guns, let alone tasers. I can't recall the last incident of an unlawful shooting in NI. Perform the right background checks, train them properly, and afford them the proper tools to protect themselves and the public.

[@nickdonnelly8607]

100% agree. Everyone here is quick to compare it to the US but fail to realise that Northern Ireland has a fully armed police service, with next to zero police shootings. It can be done.

[@johna9194]

@@nickdonnelly8607 Exactly. Look at Australia too... I'm not too sure if all of their police officers carry guns, but thankfully that woman officer did during that mall stabbing the other week.it could have been a lot worse

[@williamwhite7993]

For years we were the only police force that wore a 2 piece suit to work

[@anitaherbert1037]

The sword welding madman was disarmed quite nicely with a taser.

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Only by chance. Taser is NOT meant to be deployed against someone with a knife. Tasers are not 💯 effective. Get close to someone with a knife and you’re toast if it’s used on you. Unfortunately it’s a firearm that has to be used so you can keep a safe distance. Make sense…hope so…

[@michaelhughes3062]

I suggest you look as northern ireland as the example. ALL officers are routinely armed. There arent too many people shot by police officers. Check the stats....

[@Ffinity]

I suggest you look up Wayne Couzens.

[@johndalton9170]

​@Ffinity Wayne Couzins was an armed officer and never shot anyone. So your point is?

[@mikeraven5751]

Bare arms ? Does that mean shirt sleeves rolled up ?

[@Ffinity]

@@johndalton9170 My point is that there are murderers hiding behind that uniform. Also, in the UK you are statistically more likely to bve killed by the police than a terrorist. Pull your head out of your backside, the lack of oxygen is clearly affecting your higher brain functions.

[@EasilyCringed]

Even just look at other countries, Germany, France, and Canada all have armed officers and dont have a thing go worry about

[@jonsmith1162]

Guarantee she spent 3 minutes working response before going to a plain clothes, desk based role.

[@mollystar2606]

Who trust what politicians say? lol 😂

[@cianog]

Maybe all the keyboard warriors in the comments should put themselves in a police officer’s position when faced with real violence.

[@doomweaver2007]

The police service is more corrupt now than it was back in the 70s and 80s makes life on Mars look like nothing 😂

[@Westerhousen]

You’re not meant to trust them, you’re meant to do as you’re told.

[@Broadsword999]

A friend used to own a gun club, pre Dunblane and had several firearms officers who were members. One of them came in to do a bit of practice with his personal weapon prior to "requalifying" the next day, the range officer had to order him off the range as he managed to hit the target in the next lane then topped it off by putting a round into the shooting bench. Admittedly, this was in the mid-90's but I have no doubt some officers have a similar level of capability.

[@TheKozeh]

source: trust me bro

[@apintofbeer1667]

@@TheKozeh A lazy bent copper hates the truth

[@BumFluffer1999]

Word bro, we’re all only human after all

[@smeghead666]

@@TheKozeh Source: Every gun range full of holes in the floors, walls and ceilings, the thousands of negligent discharges by police every year and the dozens killed by police mistaking their firearms for tasers.

[@w3w3w3]

yes just because someone is a police officer / has a firearm licence does not stop them being a idiot lol and there are plenty of them about these days tbh.

[@jasperhunt3787]

19000 Officers joined in the last few years and they had no face to face training at all... You gotta be kidding me loool

[@hedydd2]

There are the ‘normal’ proportion of thugs, bullies and corrupt people, some with very dodgy temperament, in the police forces. Only specially selected officers should carry arms and then not necessarily as a routine. This lady is loaded with common sense and good judgment.

[@TG-ts3xn]

As an Englishman I know the police are more likely to persecute me than non- English

[@derloopkat]

In the US the cops are often charged for torturing the detainees with tases.

[@Vikii2024]

Do not arm them . Those very arms will be used against you .

[@danneal6510]

why?

[@pawelselewestruk4577]

@@danneal6510 propably when he commited a crime

[@Vikii2024]

@@danneal6510 GOVERNMENT will use it to control people . Whenever they dont like a protest they will use it . Look what has happened in usa . Police shoots in public and so many times innocent people are hurt because of it .

[@Vikii2024]

@@danneal6510 they will arrest you at gun point just like they do in us . Arming police Is giving them more power .

[@danneal6510]

@@pawelselewestruk4577 he?

[@tarasbolotov2486]

Well that’s how intelligent the corrupt controlled Government is . 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@maggie8324]

Ironically, but true......More police, more courts, more justice.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Even the majority of cops don’t want all officers to carry a gun.

[@Dadbod1999]

I don't think those people should be a police officer in the first place.

[@Gary-jp2tf]

The sentence for carrying a weapon in a public space should be 7 years. Wether it is. Knife sword or. A gun

[@neilwilson4590]

If police are allowed tasers for protection so should the public not 5 years in jail for “fire arm” offences

[@heartofoak45]

Every frontline police officer should be trained and issued with Tasers. No ifs no buts, not just for their own protection but the added protection of the public who require the very best protection that can be arranged. Please no more vilifying the police because of what Cousins did. I don't remember the medical profession being collectively vilified after Shipman.

[@edwardbit8225]

FORMER Detective Supt. Shabnam Chaudhri...................yep says it all.

[@JohnDoe-rn6pz]

If you’re not gonna train every officer with a taser firearm, you have to employ more police more armed police on the streets

[@geoffcropper1410]

I look at it this way,I have seen people killed and injured while in the view of unarmed cops.

[@vivkesh6513]

Didn’t taser offer the met free tasers but the met turned it down.

[@tomw6947]

When you look at how unprofessional our current police force is, and how unfit they are, i dont think giving them firearms is a good idea, they will get those weapons stolen or taken off them during arrests, this happens alot with tasers and other equipment. Plus if every police officer needs a firearm to protect themselves then every legal, UK citizen with no criminal record should also be able to protect themselves. It would end up turning into the issues America currently has. Police need to be fitter, with the correct combat training on how to disarm hostiles and the correct equipment. Our police force is extremely far behind many other countries around the world when it comes to training, less LGBT training and worrying about pronouns is a good start.

[@malcolmhouston7932]

A Police force with an infantile education and approach is useless.

[@shek816]

Well, if a musician was on random harassment by CCP and female police force was doing nothing but creating a joke, then it needs to train physically

[@H0ldThat]

'Less LGBT training'😂😂😂

[@Kyrelel]

" if every police officer needs a firearm to protect themselves then every legal, UK citizen with no criminal record should also be able to protect themselves" It is THAT attitude that has resulted in America having problems

[@637sharki]

what does any of this have to do with gay people you melt 🤣

[@moasif29]

So they can have a gun to protect themselves but we can’t have anything?

[@gerardphillips7507]

I would have resigned if I was ordered to carry a firearm, especially given the level of post incident scrutiny today. A wise man would not put himself or his family through such an unfair scrutiny system.

[@jojebia1648]

Why not? In most of the other countries in Europe every police officer is armed to the teeth. It's time to finally give the police the tools they need if we are to trust them again to protect us at any point in the future.

[@mrbearder6373]

Absolutely 100%

[@user-js3rg9sj1k]

WHAT....WESTMIDLAND,S POLICE CANNOT READ A MAP.

[@stebilbo3703]

Superbly said .

[@UU-ww6hc]

If you knew how many French officers use the gun on themselves at home under depression?...

[@mrward6510]

We should have a 2nd amendment like the us and have policed armed. But i do not want armed police without armed citizens

[@maggie8324]

Oh and an automatic, right to a lawyer, regardless of the ability to pay.

[@user-yo3mn2ro6w]

I agree totally with this woman, rogue officers of FORCE, wow.

[@gavinbissell8847]

Maybe be careful who you let in the country?

[@mrneutral8423]

Maybe be careful who we let in the police force?

[@AbrasionUK]

@@mrneutral8423 The former is a much bogger problem.

[@wellybobs4403]

Too late...

[@norabrown5584]

We have armed cops here in Northern Ireland, I feel safer here rather than the Mainland.

[@davidsivills3599]

If cops can't effectively protect themselves how can they protect the public.

[@molsky13]

We are heading for a lawless society who would be a police officer now let alone carry a fire arm

[@terra1242]

Unarmed police = idiotic idea.

[@robjmck]

Being a Policeman is one of the safest job's in the country, it is quite rare for serious injuries occur. One of the difficulties is lots of Police women and minorities are so afraid it would be dangerous for them to be armed. 20% of the Police in the country are armed with a Taser, do we really need more?

[@MrGamingCookie]

The amount of anti police hate in these comments is ridiculous. Not all police officers are "good" but can anyone name a profession where everyone doing it is a "good"? If you hold the view that all our police are terrible people then you aren't just ignorant, you are willfully ignorant.

[@happydace6991]

With the incompetence I have personally witnessed , I'm surprised any of them know how to use one !

[@mtm00]

I would like to hear from the officer who almost lost her arm about how that happened, and what she would do differently now.

[@karlv2876]

Typical from a person that has never dealt with angry person ..........they won't offer every operational officer a Taser, its cost. Remember the villager cop in France carries a side arm.

[@septimus1306]

Nowhere near the level of harm that some manage to do with religious books.

[@S-Fish-yt3ib]

mmmm, Good point you..

[@jesusislord-ht1nj]

If you think the police are not doing their jobs properly the only way to change that is to join the police and do your job correctly to bring the standard up.

[@Jez2008UK]

It's an institution, you can't just rock up and 'show em how it's done'.

[@jesusislord-ht1nj]

@@Jez2008UK "can't" that is all I need to know about your personality and you're right you can't with a mindset like that.

[@adamgray8502]

I'd trust actual British citizens with 2A rights rather than the cops

[@nicolishoss7116]

Haven't watched video yet but that title had me rolling 😂 couldn't agree more!!

[@peterhall8572]

We need proper psychological screening for police recruits/ applicants before they are even offered initial training or induction, It needs to be , Apply, be well Educated to a standard considerably higher than a pound shop door guard! A thorough interview with more than one Person, THEN a full psychological evaluation to ensure theyre not carrying hidden baggage or were bullied in school( that won't leave many) . Only after fulfilling all criterias should they be approved for training, REMEMBER In this country We are Policed By Consent! not By Order

[@user-xv9oz4re8f]

Officers should be asked if they want to be armed. And only after they pass the training would they carry a pistol on the hip. That would mean that the law would have to be changed so cops aren't guilty until proved innocent. People like this who are former officers saying they would trust officers with a pen is disgusting!!!!!!

[@johnaddidi3812]

Don’t let them use a ‘rare enough’ incident to warrant some drastic political change which is how we have already ended up halfway to this dystopian mess we already live in. Next it won’t just be armed police officers we will have school shootings and other much worse acts occurring regularly like in America. RIP that poor boy.

[@phillhatton4492]

Transport police are armed. Customs are Armed. I believe if you arm the police force then UK citizens should also be allowed to bare Arms especiallially in these corrupt times!

[@mateozotos6185]

We need army police, police without gun is security officer

[@RandomReelz.]

I don't think we should of allowed 4million plus black and browns into uk too

[@michaelgoode9555]

Just look at policing in the US and realise that having all officers armed is a terrible idea.

[@EasilyCringed]

Yet Germany, France, and Canada arm their officers and dont have the same issues we have in the U.S. All your comment really tells me is that you dont have confidence in your Police Force.

[@leeturnbull2082]

Different culture

[@Conner.YorkshireRichmond]

Police carry guns in nearly every country in the world,British People are too soft and nannylike

[@jayjayaseelan7441]

How do the general public know the good cop from a bad one?

[@jacquesdemolay2699]

you are missing the point with the Police. the new qualifier for recruitment is ---- Not police skills ---- potential ruthlesness and on the proper side of the current political rhetoric. I am sure you can figure how useful they are to a totalitarian regime like the one that is developing in the UK.

[@4kingace379]

Take the people's guns away but give them to Cops? NO THANKS

[@mohammadsaeed8433]

They need a pen so they can look busy!

[@splatten8597]

Especially that strange woman officer who was running about pepper spraying everyone! Lunatic

[@alecmurray4337]

But you would soon expect an officer to put there lives at risk armed with nothing but a baton and some mace spray

[@boota1979]

Why was my perfectly reasonable comment removed? We are talking about protecting ourselves and YT is removing comments, it says a lot about our society....

[@lesleywhibley]

No to our officers carrying guns look how bad it's in America we don't want to end up like that here.

[@solpat1977]

She’s right. Until a proper system is in place to vet officers now and in the future, the thought of arming certain officers with tasers is worrying. However everyone has the right to to defend themselves, and if the Thin Blue Line are expected to police the types of crimes prevalent in the UK, some type of non lethal weapon , be it a taser or some other type of device, needs to be available to properly certified officers.

[@glennbaxter2597]

A pen is to much for most plod.

[@brianwitton5061]

There is no solution,we live in England and that’s the way it’s become.

[@AllodialTitle]

They're all in that big club, as was Jimmy Savile.