Iannis Xenakis (1922-2001) Mists (1980) Jonas Olsson, piano
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@Scriabinfan5934 ай бұрын
What a beautiful performance of a beautiful piece. I hate that I can't play this stuff yet. All I can do is watch for now.
@Jimmy.Williams27 күн бұрын
That is just madness playing that with all of those compound divisions of the beat...lol. Bravo!!!
@mcbainst2 ай бұрын
Great, Guess what I'll be whistling all day now?
@Telluride73242 ай бұрын
I know!! It’s so catchy! I find myself mindlessly humming it without noticing all the time.
@print-helloworld-8977Ай бұрын
I hope this is sarcasm
@davidcooper82412 ай бұрын
There's something incredibly sadistic about writing this kind of music and expecting a pianist to learn how to play it. It is amazing that people exist who are willing to go through it. I'm very glad they do exist, because i really love the result. Serious question though for any knowledgable musicky types out there - does this achieve anything that excellent improvised atonal music with much more 'random' note choices doesn't? Maybe it sounds more mechanistic and structured... but couldn't an improviser improvise mechanistic structured sounding stuff... Surely whatever the clever complicated generative patterns underlying the note choices are, are more or less impossible to actually perceive as a listener? I like improv, I like this, its all super
@tomaszkaminski6495Ай бұрын
Your dilemma is natural and legitimate. But let's look at it from the other side: why should a contemporary composer deny himself from creating music that is "equal" in this sense to improvised music? Why should it not be the most tightly composed music? Let's even call it a form of experimentation or exploration of the limits of composition and performance. Cheers :D
@PalumboComposer3 ай бұрын
amazing performance and piece, of course!
@christophedevos37602 ай бұрын
Stunning, congratulations.
@pmarq324 ай бұрын
Wow -- amazing performance!
@ukdavepianoman3 ай бұрын
Firstly bravo for playing this. The rhythms are fiendishly difficult; I wonder if it's even possible to play them exactly as notated (7 in the space of 5, etc.). What I like about Xenakis is his music is very structured and he creates wonderful "sound worlds"...could be spikey/aggressive, soft/mysterious or even jazzy/funky. So although there may be "apparent randomness" to SOME of the notes, there is a very definite mood.
@lovaaaa24514 ай бұрын
Wow, sensationellt och enormt vackert spelat, har aldrig hört någon så musikalisk tolkning tidigare. Kan inte föreställa mig hur lång tid detta måste ta att lära sig.
@jonasolssonpianist4 ай бұрын
Tack! Svårt att säga eftersom jag studerade in Eonta samtidigt, och det slukade all min tid, men jag skulle gissa på åtminstone 100 timmar för Mists
@flautobasso4 ай бұрын
Superb performance! Congratulations
@Berliozboy4 ай бұрын
incredible performance!
@Alix777.7 ай бұрын
Unbelievable. Beautiful piece. Very impressive...
@AndreyRubtsovRU4 ай бұрын
Beautiful indeed. LOL
@davidwright84323 ай бұрын
Wow! Sort of birdsong, but not ... a resonant, spiky smoothness, if that makes any sense. As with Messiaen, an entirely original composer whose work stands by itself, unique. Thanks for uploading; a marvellous performance.
@MrInterestingthings5 ай бұрын
So wonderful to finally see xenakis mists score. I wish it was played more often.
@vaadhsiao86455 ай бұрын
wow !! bravo!
@ethanchambers025 ай бұрын
Gorgeous score and playing
@yeetthebeet23 күн бұрын
wowww
@timothyhoft7 ай бұрын
Bravo! Very impressive.
@rize1185 ай бұрын
Only seen this until now. You're an insane pianist!
@danb26227 ай бұрын
Amazing skill at the keyboard, Jonas!
@SamuelRHoward3 ай бұрын
Great.
@allegoricalstatue6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this
@avkoskinenarchive3 ай бұрын
This is incredible.
@benjamin99015 ай бұрын
Lovely. I need all the Xenakis I can get
@nosegrindv49514 ай бұрын
good song.
@uijinoh8 ай бұрын
I really hope you play Evryali someday...
@jonasolssonpianist8 ай бұрын
There are so many excellent Evryalis out there already, I don't think my contribution is really needed
@XeniaZubkova91215 ай бұрын
Я тоже так играла,правда,имповизируя без нот в потоке сознания
@jonasolssonpianist5 ай бұрын
thanks for the tip, will try that next time
@stvp6818 күн бұрын
I’m wondering if you memorized it, had a page turner, or used an escore for this recording. Impressive playing!
@jonasolssonpianist18 күн бұрын
I use a pedal for page turns. No point in memorizing things like that, I'd rather spend the time on actual practising
This is amazing ... is there any discussion by the pianist about how to approach learning to play such a piece. How long did it take? What were the processes that s/he needed to go through to get it to this performance standard? What lessons are the for piano students learning challenging pieces? Hugely impressive composition and performance - thanks for posting this.
@jonasolssonpianist3 ай бұрын
Hello Adam, thanks for your comments! I do have some answers scattered among the comments, but to summarise (and expand): 1) roughly 100 hours, although that's after almost 20 years of constantly playing big complex contemporary pieces, without that experience it takes much longer; 3) lessons for piano students - apart from the boring, necessary stuff (practise every note slowly with metronome, be patient, play the right notes in the right order, be patient again etc), I think it's very important to learn how to break down the difficulties into manageable chunks, develop a large repertoire of specific practice strategies, and to think hard about the priorities specific to each particular piece; 2) learning processes - I can't really go into much detail here (that'd be a book), but for Mists specifically, there are three texture types that are the main challenges: - four-part polyphony (0:43 and similar places) - first it's useful to observe that all four parts use exactly the same pitches, meaning that playing the right notes is actually important! Second, figuring out the right order of the notes, and identifying those meant to be played together (marked by Xenakis in the score). Then it just becomes a matter of successive approximations, with the goal of four smooth lines, moving at different speeds. The polyrhythms look frightening but don't actually add anything to the real difficulties. It's still really hard though. - fast arpeggios in both hands (2:50) - this is classical, but also really hard. - "clouds" (most of the piece from 3:31 on, 3:58 is a good example of maximum density and range) - this is mostly about finding good fingerings, grouping notes together and working out the position changes. Dynamics and pedalling instructions are also very important here. These pages are also (unsurprisingly) very hard. The good news is that the rest is easy!
@adamgharmonica46593 ай бұрын
Greetings Jonas! thank you so much for your prompt and generous answer - really fascinating and of great interest to musicians of all types more modest and mainstream. Although my area is jazz and SA township music, my father the composer Stanley Glasser was very engaged with 20th century serious music and I remember being to be taken to concerts as a teenager at the QEH and RFH on London’s South Bank where I first heard Boulez conducting ‘Pli Selon Pli’ and works by Iannis Xenakis. You have inspired me to return ( as a listener ) to this marvellous sound world thank you again
@runner00753 ай бұрын
It sounds like cool jazz in a washing machine
@UtsyoChakraborty7 ай бұрын
Impressive!
@tylers90066 ай бұрын
That’s crazy! Next Lemma Icon Epigram lol. Then soon you can replace the player pianos for Nancarrows studies. Aside from the joking- this is insane and crazy. What a feat
@jonasolssonpianist6 ай бұрын
Haha, thanks, actually I just recorded the Ferneyhough, but I should make a proper recording soon. No Nancarrow planned, but thinking of Boulez 2nd and Sciarrino 3rd sonatas.
@jppitman13 ай бұрын
Gee, an ambitious one you !@@jonasolssonpianist
@markglynn47133 ай бұрын
Extremely impressive playing, although I'm still unsure about the music. I'd be fascinated to know how one practises such complex music and to see your fingerings! Is it really possible to accurately play some of the polyrhythms, or is it just approximations? How about a KZbin tutorial?🙂
@jonasolssonpianist3 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm afraid that would be the most boring KZbin tutorial ever - I'd just say things like practise every note slowly with a metronome and be prepared to spend hundreds of hours. As for accuracy of polyrhythms (0:43 and similar places), it depends a lot on what you mean (isn't everything an approximation?) - I mostly play the right notes in the right order, but it's not really humanly possible to play four slightly different speeds in a mathematically exact way. An efficient approximation strategy would be to figure out the right order, including identifying those notes meant to be played together (the dotted vertical lines in the score), then tweaking the spacing so we end up with four smooth lines. Easier said than done.
@markglynn47133 ай бұрын
I appreciate your detailed answer:-)@@jonasolssonpianist
@jonasolssonpianist3 ай бұрын
Thanks, I very much appreciate relevant comments and interesting questions!
@handledav4 ай бұрын
misty
@karllieck90642 ай бұрын
Mom! The cats are on the piano again!
@jonasolssonpianist2 ай бұрын
Congratulations, 15000 viewers have tried and failed to come up with a cat joke 😉
@janiskristofersvitols94138 ай бұрын
detta var väldigt njutbart. påminner något om Ligeti
@imagod47965 ай бұрын
Could you explain how to read passages like 04:00 or tell me where to find an instruction?
@jonasolssonpianist5 ай бұрын
It's basically a frequency/time graph, like all musical notation. Play all the notes in the right order, respect the horizontal spacing, the vertical lines are semiquavers. This is much easier said than done, especially around 4:00 - that's really a horribly difficult place. Sorry about the wrong notes at 3:59 and 4:04.
@johnzielinski99514 ай бұрын
@@jonasolssonpianist Yes, they were quite jarring. 😛
@jonasolssonpianist4 ай бұрын
indeed 😛
@ukdavepianoman3 ай бұрын
@@jonasolssonpianist Horovitz hit wrong notes. You are allowed to, too!
@jonasolssonpianist3 ай бұрын
but Horowitz only played romantic repertoire - complex contemporary pieces like Mists require a bit more precision, otherwise the music will just sound bad
@webkahmik11 күн бұрын
It's a Xenakisian Rumba! Feroz!
@CalebDickinsonMusic9 күн бұрын
The part starting around 3:32 has echoes of late Scriabin
@victorsethy2 ай бұрын
It's fun. If it's improvised after half bottle of whisky. ... I still don't understand, how came, that improvisation is almost forbidden... at least not taken serious, basically only allowed in jazz. I love jazz, but I'd love to play... just what I hear. What I want. What I feel. If I'd write it down, and someone else would play it, people would be amazed. This way they just don't give a shit. Interesting planet... but not for an other incarnation.
@ellenrosenblatt54635 ай бұрын
what would Mozart think of this?
@jonasolssonpianist4 ай бұрын
applying 18th century beauty standards to late 20th century art? sure, it's possible
@alwhitaker19253 ай бұрын
He would think that monarchy is gone and therefore tonality is gone as well
@ethanbrownpiano5 ай бұрын
Great technique and playing but the score is pretty awful imo.