Keenan Cornelius vs Mahamed Aly / Pan Championship 2018

Black-Belt/Adult/Male/Super-Heavy - Final

[@orsonmeirelles5942]

Thats beautiful, american coaching mahamed, and brazilian coaching keenan u guys gonna make me cry

[@MMABeijing]

r u brazilian?

[@benhallo1553]

@Lucas lopes racist bro

[@livreconsultoriagestaocorp5401]

he y buddy, try to do that with buchecha and vieira! hugs!

[@pedroivo2674]

Que guarda chata da porra essa do Keenan kkk

[@digomesmo537]

Keenan lutou como um faixa roxa fraco.

[@peligro28]

You shall not pass!!!

[@orangeiceice12]

K Cornelius vs the greatest boxer of all time, who'd have thunk it

[@AndersRosendalBJJ]

3:44 Love the sportsmanship from both

[@notmyrealname23]

Man how good is Aly's base? There were so many times I thought Keenan was going to get the sweep.

[@yodizzll]

notmyrealname23 thought the same thing

[@joshuajamias7648]

Same. He has a great sense of knowing when to shift pressure.

[@sebastiangardey7105]

notmyrealname23 dude is fucking strong

[@ashleygarvin7177]

Sebastian Gardey base and strength are different. Aly has one of the best standup games in bb bjj so you can guarantee is balance and feeling for base is elite. Saying that, adding his strength to the mix just makes it super super good

[@sebastiangardey7105]

Ashley Garvin Agreed. My experience with training has taught me that strength is directly implied with base. Although other factors are included, having strong legs and a sense of balance within your power alows for a strong base! Cheers

[@huehue6948]

Keenan inversion flexibility is amazing, and his warm guard is second to none.

[@abrahamlincoln8542]

His cold guard's not too shabby either.

[@cancontrl]

watching world class jiujitsu is like sippin on fine scotch.

[@cgreen4395]

Why can't I like this comment 100 times?

[@mubarkqardas46]

Eventually you pass out.

[@cancontrl]

@@mubarkqardas46 I see what you did there 😉

[@kobe51]

Yes, that's why i only watch roger gracie😉

[@washington81253]

Jogo chato da porra.

[@Namesi]

Você vai chorar?

[@gabrielroberto2121]

@@Namesi hurr durr

[@tekal85]

Keenan "berimobolo is dead" Corneliao

[@jamesr2179]

Saulo in the background, demonstrating his mastery of the unimpressed, skeptical glare.

[@marcioeflopes]

O jiujtsu desse cara é isso ai!!! Amarração total! Não é a toa que o Rafael Mendes sem competir um bom tempo finalizou em menos de um minuto.

[@aldosena896]

Jiu-jitsu feio danado! Eu sinto vergonha em ver uma luta dessas, claramente o cara só luta pra amarrar e ganhar vantagens, não luta pra finalizar.

[@t0pzzcf]

guarda de lapela é sempre a mesma coisa quem nao faz odeia quem faz ama

[@StratOnFire]

3:44 Am I a joke to you?

[@blaneries8925]

Lmao

[@lowbatt3235]

hahahahahaha

[@1m_sophie]

I love the way Andre says "keenan"

[@Kabamaru2000]

These kinda anti-bjj wins,are getting more and more common.IBJJF should start doing something about it,im thinking that submission only tournaments is the only place where you can see some BJJ nowdays.

[@MrDeritamichael]

Sub only is all I do

[@CH-tv1cy]

They need to implement a timer where you gain points for holding top positions or something.

[@impulsive1252]

@@CH-tv1cy now why the fuck would you reward that? Aly didn't put out any offence in this match until the last 30 seconds meanwhile Keenan was constantly attacking.

[@ericchan5055]

This the first time watching a bjj matcha but am I the only one that thinks there shouldn’t be any coaching/help from anyone other than the people competing? I feel like bjj is like a chess match and should test the skill of the players only to see who has more knowledge and technique.

[@danielcalvi500]

@@lochu7455 i think you miss eric chan points...i kind of agree with him...

[@lucasdemenez]

Jogo muito chato do Keenan, mas achei que o Aly poderia ter dado mais...

[@cristianofarias699]

Chato pacas mesmo da nem terminei de ver a luta.

[@walterpaizinho]

O jiu jitsu dele é muito ruim... só amarrando para ganhar ponto... vc ver logo que ele fica pegando na lapela pra puxar pra guarda e ficar ali so enrolando... ai fica ganhando vantagem do juiz e acha q luta muito... dar é raiva.

[@luizgustavo3817]

Ele só faz força!

[@cedricsanfal1466]

that's what rickson is talking about, not only it's fucking boring and favorise stalling and it's not realistic cause you can just punch him in the face in these positions. And with boring match like this the sport is not gonna grow cause there is no entertainement

[@coinspiration33]

LAGOA AZUL É MAIS EMOCIONANTE QUE ESSE JIUJITSU MODERNO DO CORNELIUS. MEU DEUS, COCHILEI....

[@thiagohenriquebenvenutti3110]

No jiu-jitsu "moderno" dele, queria ver numa briga de rua ele ficar de bunda pra cima segurando lapela ... É aí que o jiu-jitsu verdadeiro dos Gracie entra, o qual era em grande parte pra defesa pessoal, nas ruas uma vantagem não te garante a chegada em casa com segurança...

[@marcioeflopes]

Se o mestre Hélio e Rickson seriam faixas roxas duros Hj Oque seria esse camarada na época dos dois? Um faixa branca meia boca e olhe lá!

[@maromba1230]

@@thiagohenriquebenvenutti3110 o espertão ,ele compete sem kimono e qualquer pessoa sem um puta noção de luta teria o pé levado pra casa por ele !!!!

[@brunoaghayev]

Com toda certeza , keenan corno desgraçado , mano tenho uma raiva desse cara

[@marcioeflopes]

@@maromba1230 mas antes dele pegar o pé espertão ele já tinha levado umas nas caras e já apagado... Ou vc acha que o cara que lutar vai esperar ele pegar no pé meu camarada... Luta de rua não é como esse jiu Jitsu de merda que é Hj...

[@thefabulous4]

Keenan is one of the best doing it right now, but this lapel jiu jitsu is so painful to watch. Boring, very boring.

[@piggybank9899]

No way

[@joeg7096]

Is lapel guard really that popular? I thought it was mostly a keenan thing. I thing Felipe Pena pulled it against him in a surprise attack but Pena is also very creative and adaptive. Not a fan of lapel guard personally but I like Keenan coming up with it because he really is very creative and hilarious, almost troll-like in his weird guards

[@good6894]

Totally disagree, I find it very entertaining to watch a world class BJJ practitioner completely unable to pass anothers guard.

[@gabs_bjj]

Keenan is so smooth on this lapel transitions

[@timmyotoole6063]

Hence the encyclopedia

[@RickyCue]

Winning by advantage shouldn't be a thing.

[@bigb00tyslayer20]

yeaa judo fixed that problem.

[@danielbak651]

What is the alternative?

[@SpyderRae]

@@danielbak651 submission only, it would cut down on the stalling. No one gets a submission then no one wins. I can't believe someone can be called a world champion without getting a submission along the way. Just doesn't seem right to me.

[@Juzam777]

@@SpyderRae actually you see less subs in sub-only competitions than in IBJJF-type rulesets. The fact is that the 2 fighters are both so good technically that none of them can have an edge on the other. At this high level of jiu-jitsu, you see subs when one is significantly better than the other (or sometimes when one makes a mistake but it's rare at this level)

[@shoto520]

No sudden death?! Advantage sucks

[@AbdullahMikalRodriguez]

Sudden death?? 😂😂 its not mortal kombat

[@diogopinheiro4097]

Guarda técnica flexível e afiada acha pano onde não tem .monstro da guarda oss

[@maromba1230]

top mesmo,os passadores só choram nos comentários kk

[@TioDead-5hz]

@@maromba1230 kkkkk

[@zorrba121]

There should be no verbal help allowed from non competitors.

[@nathanmcmullen1527]

Why? Coaching is important all fighters have coaches

[@MMABeijing]

it s so difficult to fight people with those weird not street practical bjj styles. i am not hating on them, it s just frustrating

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Thats because thats all they do. Completely impractical and useless for anything resembling a fight. What they do is a pure sport and is no longer a martial art.

[@MMABeijing]

@@dragonballjiujitsu i am not sure, i respect creativity and there are so many branches of bjj developing, one might bring something both new and efficient in a fight....in any cases it is unnerving to know that the guy in front of you is less of a fighter yet has one special angle and position he mastered and u stepped in it without even realizing

[@jerl7320]

@@d3robert Typical of any sport, I find it hilararious when people lose their cool over a style they're not used to. Hate the game not the player like they say. Keep upseting them old folks!

[@MarkLee-bb1gs]

They don't have jackets where you're from?

[@Ecaba3]

Yeah.. that’s why I got my 11 year old out of sport Bjj and into mma and wrestling instead.. now I know he can defend himself

[@cristopherbinotti6639]

Quem acha a Kennan é fraco vai lá e conquista a chance de participar do mundial faixa rosa do carai

[@anonymouse7095]

I understand that this is technically a win according to the rules. But I don’t like it. There shouldn’t be a winner unless somebody taps. The scoring system for jujitsu has turned it into something that it was never supposed to be.

[@TRA25]

I think it’s turned out this way because otherwise we’d have matches going for ages and therefore make it too difficult to run a bjj tournament in a reasonable time frame. Maybe the higher level guys should play by a submission only ruleset though with the earlier stages of tournaments being point based.

[@danielxtma]

Whats wrong exactly with the scoring system? i think makes perfect sense

[@TRA25]

Daniel Dughman In simulation of a real conflict assuming no outside influences such as people interfering a point system simply does not suffice. Submissions represent the ability to significantly injure, kill or knockout an opponent and when a point system is in place you don’t have to show that you had that degree of control to have won in a life or death scenario. A point system also makes you fight for points rather than submissions, points are easy much easier to get and assuming you have a good enough defence you don’t even have to attempt a submission to win. Under a point system you don’t have to have good cardio and don’t necessarily have to be good at submissions to win, although it certainly helps. This doesn’t translate well into real life though where if you gas out you’re toast. If you don’t have the submission skill required to at least be able to submit someone untrained but competent you’re in trouble when you gas out and as martial artists you don’t want the results of a conflict to be entirely dependent on your conditioning.

[@anonymouse7095]

Daniel Dughman it’s like point sparring in karate. Drives the competitors to train for points rather than practical real-world scenarios. I’m sure both of these guys can defend themselves just fine. But the point system turns it into a silly game rather than a match to see who could really beat who.

[@lenonkitchens7727]

@@anonymouse7095 Yep, it dilutes the art. Most TKD guys these days have extremely weak kicks. They don't learn power, they learn speed and placement. That's what wins points. It's fine for sport, but it's not going to save them against an attacker amped up adrenaline or narcotics. Edit: As opposed to someone like Joe Rogan who learned old school TKD. That dudes kicks are absolutely lethal.

[@kauairootsohana]

I think that if your guard passing is up to par with an amazing guard then What’s wrong with pulling guard? When one chooses to pull guard, you (the opponent) are automatically on top being able to use gravity to your advantage and if your passing game is on point, then hey, good! Your in a position your happy with, and pass the gward you shall... What you think??

[@mandalorian4620]

Because bjj was self defence oriented, so the oldschool guys get pissed when there is no point to the opponent when you go in a position that is stupid in any fuck self defence scenario.

[@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA]

10min of nottin but tag of war..

[@jonjon-fs3jl]

Hahahaha war of nottin

[@davidbrock7908]

That lapel guard though!!

[@candylord5363]

Aly ADV Cornelius

[@Sheeeeepies1]

sheit, got close at the end there

[@charlesdepaula3430]

Lapel guard stalling the fight all the way through the end.

[@mikejohnston7628]

Snooze fest

[@renannovaes2798]

Amarrao esse Kerlius, vitoria do Aly fácil na próxima.

[@DEIDECOSTA....]

Quem é kerlius?

[@rafaelsilvadossantos3038]

@@DEIDECOSTA....kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@jimtomlinsom1279]

I like the lapel game and play it but it is boring to watch. Should the rules do something about it, I don't think. Much prefer to watch no gi now days

[@irone93]

Anytime technique beats strength, that’s Jiu-Jitsu!

[@trujitsu896]

Great match and strategy.👍

[@blandz]

Miss hearing Galvao in Keenan's corner :(

[@DaKaveCollects]

blandz he’s not there anymore?

[@Glenn056]

@@DaKaveCollects keenan left atos

[@brethernandez3337]

Everyone talking shit doesn't even train, or understand the point of sport jiu jitsu. Its a tournament with points and advantages, not a street fight. They are playing a game in a sense and are playing the rules in their favor. All that matters is you win, doesnt matter if its by a point, an advantage or a sub. Win is a win. If either of these guys were in a street fight, they would use completely different techniques all based of the scenerio.

[@ProfessorBulletMG]

Bret Hernandez Excellent point! I think we still have a lot of people out there who are discreetly envious of those they are intimidated by. Both of these guys looked good, and they appear to be decent sportsman. Let the whiners continue to cry, and let’s just move on.

[@brethernandez3337]

Shichi Dan Appear to be decent? They are both multi time world champions. Thats the point, 90% of you dont even know who these guys are or even train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Just on here spitting non sense based off their google searches or trying to compare this shit to a mma fight. Go to a BJJ gym and see how far you make it in a “light” roll against one of these guys. They will blow your mind when you realize you have zero chance of survival against most all of these guys.

[@lenonkitchens7727]

I think most of us understand that, we just don't like it. That's our prerogative. Just as it's yours to be entertained by it. There's room for both opinions.

[@brethernandez3337]

Lenon Kitchens well your prerogative is coming from a lack of education on the subject. Go train and get some perspective then come back and give a relevant opinion.

[@lenonkitchens7727]

@@brethernandez3337 Lol, ok idiot.

[@irone93]

The fact that Keenan can even be competitive against such a monster shows his jui jitsui is far superior

[@Mark-gn5rw]

Boring. Jiujitsu respect But the mma version with punches and kicks is way better I love Jiujitsu over 12 years. But? Mma rules better and more exciting I like seeing blood and bells ring. No disrepect.. Snooze fest

[@Namesi]

So many Brazilians in here talking about "boring" - if Aly could have passed his guard he would have. But he couldn't. Go cry somewhere else.

[@danielmachadopersonal6758]

Do caralho essa guarda! 👊🏼

[@thenordiqsomm]

How to fix this guard pulling bs in bjj. Give an advantage to the opponent when you pull guard.

[@timmyotoole6063]

Dumb

[@timmyotoole6063]

It's not judo

[@gesshugh9976]

@@timmyotoole6063 The reason some people like that concept, is because bjj has artificial limits that guess pulling unrealistically effective. Normally, guard pulling would be punished by slams and ground and pound. If you aren't allowed to use the real life counter to a technique, then it will just run amuck in competition. You say it's not judo, but it should still be able to work in the same environment if it is effective, should it not?

[@timmyotoole6063]

@@gesshugh9976 I see what you're saying for sure. Keenan wouldn't pull guard were he to meet Muhammed Aly in an alley. There's a reason no one not named Ryan hall pulls guard in mma. A bjj competition is not attempting to simulate a real life encounter, though. It's purely sport, so why punish for a perfectly legtimate, strategic move. Nonsensical

[@gesshugh9976]

@@timmyotoole6063 I honestly wasn't aware that it was purely sport. I thought it was still martial art practice. That's why Judo has that rule. If it is unrelated to martial arts at all, then there is no problem.

[@Leo-nf8lh]

Guardinha maldida essa do kenan mais o Aly devia ter acelerado nos 3 min ai dava boa. se manteve mto calmo Aly mas acredito q ja estava cansado tbm né monstrao. De qlq maneira lutassa

[@raelbc2867]

Ele estava bem cansado

[@lisandroleiteleite6621]

Cornelius é Muito Féra

[@mattc7208]

This is why no gi is the future. This shit is boring as fuck and is totally unusable outside of this setting.

[@HevertonMuller]

Keenan Amarrelius, vitórias emocionantes por uma vantagem, isso é o tal "jiu jitsu moderno".

[@gtbronks]

Eu concordo com vc, mas pô, o Aly poderia ter feito mais coisa ali! Aceitou muito o jogo do Keenan!

[@rocket5557]

I understand what he is doing....but this not beautiful jiu jitsu.

[@mateusmantunes]

Jiujitsu horrível de Cornelius! Uma porcaria dessa ainda ganha

[@brauliosignorelliamereno1077]

Luta feia, retrancada e decidida por uma vantagem? e esse Cornelius falando mal de Hélio e Rickson Grace?, é realmente muita arrogância.

[@r.b.4611]

Wish Mahammed had fought with the intensity he had at the end a bit earlier.

[@robertfernandez2278]

I just don't get it. I want to like it, but if I'm honest, this shit is boring.

[@WilsonFerreira125.]

oss.. Cornelius é fera mesmo ,esse jogo de lapela combinado com berimbolo é demais, fica difícil sair. Mahamed também é duro.

[@gressminos]

8:45

[@SundarBJJ]

Another IBJJF snoozefest. Surprise, surprise.

[@danieldias2653]

New BJJ. Horrível! Para os novatos, nada de interessante. Vou procurar umas lutas do Roger Gracie ou do Jacaré para assistir...

[@ariduarte7811]

Voltei a treinar após alguns anos... Quando o professor veio mostra essa técnica, deu vontade de ir pra casa de tão chato q é o movimento.. a luta n evolui e perde o sentido da arte marcial q é finalizar o oponente! Visar ganhar a luta por 2 pontos é foda ..chato demais!

[@jonjon-fs3jl]

Chato pra crlh

[@isabelbeiriz6988]

Luta horrível, Kenan amarrou a luta inteira, jiu-jitsu MT feio.

[@matheus7431]

Amarrão do caralho e ainda quer falar mal do Helio e do Rickson Gracie!

[@viniciusfs]

Esse Cornelius nunca vai ser campeão na preta porque tem jiu-jitsu mas prefere fazer esse jogo ai.

[@blackgamerbr8041]

Essa luta foi a final

[@giovaniveras8729]

Cornelius nunca foi champ na preta

[@veiledallegory]

The game of inches is amazing but man it’s boring to watch!

[@harrod19]

Much more fun to do than to watch!

[@EasternManiac]

harrod19 “fun” = exhausting

[@tyfighter14]

This is why sub-only is the future of grappling.

[@1Slayer6661]

Yeah for the Worm Master!

[@addsonluan7804]

Saudades do velho jiu jitsu

[@trauntinc]

Both X Lloyd Irvin products

[@tylertime3624]

That was embarrassing for Jiu Jitsu

[@mrdiegoacarrizales]

Rematch

[@bearsuo1759]

Can we get Keenan is a combat jj match? I'd like to see him get slapped a few times. Would pay.

[@BobBelson]

gosh there isnt even a pretense to attempt takedowns. Sit down and look for sweeps while the other looks to pass...

[@eightball8008]

annoying as sidlinecoaches..

[@ariduarte7811]

Essa 50 50 veio pra Deixar o Jiu jitsu muito chato! Luta podre!!! Dá nem gosto assistir!

[@smirnoffgo]

Tbm acho, deveria voltar a luta em pé quando caíssem nessa posição

[@jonjon-fs3jl]

Mt zuado, daqui alguns anos pode até cair em decadência

[@isaacrezendesoares8914]

Esse jiu jitsu mordermo e uma bosta hauhauhauhauh

[@rickdias1897]

gosto do Keenan, mas com o tempo ele ta ficando cada vez mais amarrão! perde-se vontade de ver esse tipo de lutador

[@diogopinheiro4097]

Luta de profissionais são outro nível e uma vantagem é muito importante e ele não tá lutando com vc pra jogar soltinho e Muhammad cara

[@rickdias1897]

@@diogopinheiro4097 não disse que ele está errado em fazer o jogo dele! observa direitinho que a enfase que coloquei foi na questão de perder a vontade de ver o tipo de lutador amarrão. Em momento algum eu disse que ela está errado no que está fazendo..E se fosse pra jogar soltinho comigo vai do cara, se ele quer tomar amasso ou nao!

[@Vscustomprinting]

4:00 in, spot that technique

[@rhafaelafloriano7271]

😩

[@GreenDistantStar]

OMG 'modern' jits is boring, so far removed from real self-defence it's literally unreal.

[@lamassu8479]

People that don't train shouldn't talk about self defense... I doubt Keenan will pull guard in a self defense situation smh

[@GreenDistantStar]

@@lamassu8479 I've been training for longer than you've been alive, son.

[@lamassu8479]

If you did then you would know. Just saying

[@GreenDistantStar]

@@lamassu8479 You fight as you train. SD jits is boring to watch too. All pure grappling precludes strikes and opens up spaces that get shut down in SD. I get the constant inversion of 'modern' jits, I just don't find it appealing in most cases, YMMV.

[@sebastiangardey7105]

Peter D Agreed

[@bielf1230]

nossa esse maluco lutando eh tao chato

[@brosejs]

An entire sport ruined by lapel guard.

[@alessandropintus]

As if the guy didn't kick ass in NoGi too

[@blaneries8925]

Alessandro Pintus don’t know if that really address the issue he’s talking about he’s effective just boring

[@marcosfernandes5182]

If you cant overcome one guard, the problem is probably you not being able to adapt

[@alanleao9611]

I love when non technical people talk about the best jiujitsu nowadays in a bad way. You dont understand their games so you should try to learn it, thats how it works. So many supid comments like yours...

[@good6894]

Ruined? Because Keenan uses an extremely effective guard method that you don't like? Lol How DARE he have a good guard! All of jiu-jitsu is ruined...RUINED!!! 😂

[@interacaosocial9255]

boring style cornelius

[@alexvalente101]

Nessa luta chata que as pessoas idolatram essa posição chamada berimbolo,Por que o Aly não decidiu com uma chave de perna e mandava ele pra casa de muletas Eu de marrom tinha catado o tornozelo e levado a,perna dele pra casa de brinde

[@Namesi]

Se ele pudesse, ele teria.

[@jonmoris9354]

For bjj to evolve they need to penalize guard pulling or sitting it should be considered a takedown and 2 points

[@dilmarvega2575]

This my friend is called Judo haha + BJJ is ground game if you force people to play take downs then something will be missing and people will start playing judo and wrestling to avoid losing points so in this case they will only play guard as a result of losing the stand up game ! In training people will start focus on wrestling and judo rather than guard btw I am a guard puller so yeh maybe i am getting emotional on the subject haha

[@jonmoris9354]

@@dilmarvega2575 i understand and for the rules of bjj its ok but it goes against reality and all these grappling arts still derive from a form of self defence

[@dilmarvega2575]

@@jonmoris9354 In reality eventually someone will end up on the ground right?

[@jonmoris9354]

@@dilmarvega2575 yes but how you get there can prove painful or even lethal on concrete truth is throws and takedowns can end fights on concrete and sittingvdown in front of someone is just stupid wen tjey can boot you in the head

[@dilmarvega2575]

@@jonmoris9354 You are right so in real fight you must be good and ready for all phases from standing to ground i mean all situations I believe as a bjj player ill try to attack the legs and pull guard from there ! but i will never sit lol

[@t.u9112]

Guarda chata pra caralho kkkkk

[@rickmanbt]

Really well played by both guys.

[@severo_99]

Jiu-Jitsu fraco esse do Kennan vsf

[@garcimat]

Toda luta com o Keenam eh uma bosta

[@Duchateau99]

Keenan was scared of Aly's Judo skill , he preferred a fight on the floor.....chx!

[@nstv23]

The most annoying guard ever hehe sick. If he opens up and goes to to toe aly would probably smash him

[@gesshugh9976]

Not much incentive then for him to do that then, eh?

[@MarkLee-bb1gs]

@@gesshugh9976 Right on, isn't that what a guard is for?

[@ChineseWrestlingCeKungFu]

Quem esse cara pensa que é, para falar de Mestre Helio Gracie e, do Rickson?

[@eduardogaldino8432]

Keenan is not joke ,dont try beeing arrogant or sup ex rior ,he wil pm put people intheyr places,not tha Mohamed is that,mohamed is alright but that guy ...

[@juliano8419]

Que luta de merda!!

[@alanleao9611]

I think that was the most techinical match ive ever seen

[@timetter7062]

3:25 ouch

[@xoemorx]

Boring.

Famosa luta feia.

[@dlvt79]

boring...and please let people fight without talk all the time!if you left them alone we may have seen some bjj more!

[@isaeldemeloribeiro1378]

Zuado... amarrou uma vantagem até o final o árbitro deveria ter punido até ser desclassificado,