Ice Induced Stall Pilot Training

[@lipeprusch]

Today in Brazil we had a tragedy where an airplane with 61 people crashed and the main theory is stall by ice formation in the wings. In the videos, the airplane falls like a sheet of paper, very sad..

[@leohausen]

I think this video should be shown to all pilots in training and even for the most experienced. We can see that even with the information available, we still lose lives because of this reason. RIP VOEPASS.

[@juancarlosfrancocruz2052]

One the most reliable and effective video to understand well type of icing stall and the way to prevent. 🎉

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

According to NTSB Report, Colgan Air Crash 3407 pilots viewed the prior (outdated by this video) NASA Tailplane stall video (made in approx 1999, not sure) several months prior to crash in 2009 . In other words, it was fresh in the mind of both pilots. That video is still available on youtube (approx 23 minutes in length). After watching that older NASA video, I feel that the pilots in 3407 crash might have mistaken stick shaker, (AP altitude hold at 2300') wing stall for a tailplane stall. It explains why the pilot pulled back on yoke and pitched up instead of pushing forward in normal wing stall stick shaker. Watch the older NASA video yourself and decide. I wonder how many regional pilots turn off AP on approach in icing conditions and check for control surface performance.? Commercial pilots have become overly dependent on AP.

[@sarowie]

Thank you for sharing this great training video for free. I know you doing it in the name of safety (and thus in your own interest of reputation in the long run), but it is also a valuable resource for pilots outside of the USA. Sharing this to literally the world is so valuable.

[@StubblefieldMatt]

The last I heard from that captain, he was telling me about the Rockwell Retro Encabulator.

[@johnwight6041]

This was a really well put together video. Thank you

[@rrknl5187]

Really good video! Having flown quite a few different types small planes often in IMC and often in ice, there is a serious difference in behavior from one model to another. Some planes handle ice well, other begin flying like a brick. Some planes with boots are pretty tame, others not so much....... This is why you need to be paying extra attention especially if you're not familiar with a particular aircrafts behavior in ice.

[@fhuber7507]

Anti-ice clears ice where the anti-ice system heats or flexes the surface. (within the capability of the equipment) There is a LOT of surface that has no means of forcing the ice to shed. Ice = weight and drag and disrupted airflow. I'd ask for different altitude if the plane is cycling accumulating and shedding ice on the prop.... That is a big sign you need to get somewhere colder or warmer.

[@davidgerhardt249]

Pretty good video. Thanks to all who put this together!

[@nf2224]

we realy need more of this video , thanks for you free contenn ant

[@rmp5s]

I came here because I was flying in the new Flight Simulator last night and was like, "hmmm...I wonder..." I always fly in full realism, everything on, everything "real", everything. Weather, no AI assistance, etc. So I wondered how accurate the icing behavior was. I picked a plane I knew didn't have a de-icing system and took off in Cincinnati...I knew it was snowing there because my parents live there and my dad sent me pics. lol I was flying along for quite a while when I noticed EXACTLY what he described in this video...decreasing airspeed, a weird kinda...like...shudder, then a surprisingly ubrupt left wing stall. I managed to regain control and descend but it was pretty amazing how accurate the "game" was compared to things I've seen in videos like this. Now, admittedly, I couldn't see ANYTHING out of ANY of the windows and would have descended or turned back LONG before that happened...but it was really cool to see. If you have MSFS2020, give it a shot.

[@iVince905]

Makes you wonder if the pilot of the colgan air crash thought he had a tail plane stall

[@jefar53]

Had a boot fail on a 414 and we had a partial tail stall the pitching moment was violent

[@sleepyhollow01]

Thanks for this excellent training video to enhance safety. Great job by all. At 21:20 discussing pre-flight planning and climb performance, minimum vectoring altitude is mentioned. Remember that while ATC has that information, MVA is not published or available to pilots. (ie. not relevant for pre-flight planning).

[@prorobo]

The daytime soap acting is cringeworthy but the information is good.

[@GaryNumeroUno]

Reminds me of Adam West and Burt Ward for some reason!

[@MrJeffinLodi]

The one guy must be a huge fan of William Shatner.

[@stefanmitrovic973]

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[@nickkaning7616]

It's a government production. Just be happy the video played!

[@bzipoli]

they're trying their best 😭

[@TodayIFoundOut]

Hey, that's the Lowe's tutorial guy ;-)

[@JonathanGurgul]

The retro encabulator guy lol

[@Windtee]

Cool production, well produced!

[@publicmail2]

The PIC actor asks off camera how wearing boots could help.

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

Funny

[@bzipoli]

that song at the start is kinda fire ngl

[@sharoncassell5273]

On some planes the boots do not reach All the Ice. Some types of deicing fluid is not the right kind to melt the ice. There are various viscosities of de icer products. Density counts in certain circumstances.

[@philosopheantenodore2504]

Thank you so much for the video

[@skipgetelman3418]

Noting a loss of ias incruise with same power settings and level flight might be a wake up call to non comatose pilots The auto pilot masks these things until you find yourself upside down

[@joelhidalgo9240]

Súper good !

[@reigaterobot4965]

Reckon this is what happened to Sala's plane recently

[@genrylizardo8180]

Really, we did not what to think about. Today we have lot of information and we can't avoid things like that. It's unbelievable.

[@CBKillas]

"Denver center, picked up enough ice for 7 eleven, descending to FL10"...

[@stevenkoeppel9582]

Finally, the NASA tail stall video is laid to rest.

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

I agree. See my comment above about the older NASA video. Only took 7 years after Colgan Air 3407.

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

13:54 what's the song

[@skipgetelman3418]

Why would they not put this critical information in the AFM?

[@Skybolter]

All thanks to NASA

[@officergregorystevens5765]

Keep Michael Scott out of the first officer position next time...

[@bigdogboos1]

holy bad acting batman

[@franklinarguedas4832]

One of you do not have the guts to talk by himself?

[@uweakmindedtwit343]

Air Disaster: Episode- Murder in the sky Is it possible for AI to recognize when a murder / suicide has happened in the cockpit and automatically takeover the plane to land it safely? Maybe an FAA official could send a signal to plane to turn the computer on to takeover the plane?