Iced vs Slint | Rust GUI Wars #1

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@Elesario 6 ай бұрын

Interesting investigation. I wanted to offer an opinion in regards to the video style. The constant bounce in text in the middle of the video is REALLY off-putting. Not going to say don't have text, just don't abuse the animation. I'd suggest minimising how often in the video you do it also, save it for key moments or big points being made. If you want to enhance the experience for deaf viewers, make sure to set up your closed captions when you publish the video. It's a common human behaviour that if you put text in front of someone their brain will automatically go to read it without conscious effort. This can be useful, but it can also cause issues if done too much, essentially hijacking human behaviour is likely to cause discomfort to some. The side effect of this automatic attention is that if there's other stuff going on at the same time it is likely to be missed and become irrelevant. For a video on GUI's I kind of expected more to be shown of the actual graphics. It felt like you were showing personal bias toward Iced, as you spent more time playing with the Iced counter, but barely featured the Slint version app. It was obvious that the Slint version auto scaled and positioned it's elements, but the Iced version didn't, which made a like for like comparison unequal also. What would you have to do in order to get that behaviour in Iced, or perhaps what would you have to do to remove that behaviour from Slint?

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

Yeah. My intent was to convey a slight favouritism to Iced but for the leaderboard I tried to be as impartial as a biased man can be. In the end I'd rather blatantly convey my biases than mislead people into thinking Im unbiased. Also, thanks for your feedback on my video style. Im still pretty new to this, so Im bound to make mistakes as I try new techniques, but constructive criticism like yours really does help. Thanks!

@drsgf32a12 5 ай бұрын

The words that pop up are terrible.

@Different_Name_ 5 ай бұрын

out of sync too 😭

@alexclark6777 3 ай бұрын

Caused me to stop the video after a couple of minutes.

@phat80 3 ай бұрын

it’s f***** Capcut template. Nobody wants to use normal video editors nowadays.

@pookiepats 28 күн бұрын

@@phat80i know and it really isn’t that much work to learn…sigh

@Chu4hun 6 ай бұрын

Iced was not created by system76, they joined to the already established project

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the response. I'll try to improve the structure of my sentences in the future. But in the video I was hoping to convey that Cosmic DE was made by System 76 and that they used Iced for some applications in it.

@soupnoodles 6 ай бұрын

Hey, you're still starting out so you have room to change. I really don't like those bouncy single-word subtitles, please look into less disturbing alternatives.

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably end up reducing and almost removing the amount of subtitles I have in my videos as another comment suggested.

@AetherA11y 2 ай бұрын

That's another huge positive about iced vs. slint: it seems to support dark mode out of the box, while slint got rid of it to save 15% on compile time. Dark mode is a huge accessibility need, especially for people like me who are light sensitive. Auto-detect of dark/light is also important, because on my Mac I invert colors (inverted + light theme, normal + dark theme) regularly, so the app needs to respond accordingly. Will try iced and see if it supports this on Linux and Mac.

@danielszecket1058 Ай бұрын

Slint does support light/dark modes for standard widgets and adjusts to the state of the os.

@kostyantynmilkevych7149 6 ай бұрын

Hi, great video! Your subtitles in the beginning (around 01:00) are slightly offset in terms of timing and it is really distracting

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Ill try to improve when it comes to the text in future videos and Ill probably reduce the amount of it as another comment suggested.

@lee45283 5 ай бұрын

I agree, they make it really hard to watch. They flash up in your face and make you blink each time.

@ottRider 2 ай бұрын

Interested in this and really wanted to watch it. Those stupid pop-words drove me away. What the hell were you thinking?

@ChrisOvercash 6 ай бұрын

oof. “declarative” UI with a DSL is not something i expected to see in AD 2024. the whole MVC thing seems so dated, and after using Android with XML it’s an immediate turn off for me

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

While MVC might seem dated, declarative UIs with DSLs are gaining popularity for their benefits. It might be worth considering them for specific use cases. Who knows maybe if you gave Iced a try you'll like it like I do, maybe not. I'm probably however not as experienced as you, and would love to have you elaborate. Thanks for the comment tho, I love hearing other's perspectives.

@stephanerebai8005 3 ай бұрын

i noticed some graphic glitches when testing iced that leads me to think you should ass ome criterais : perceived stability (graphics and usage ) and binary size. Comparison are relevant when they're not totally subjective :)

@crvcode 3 ай бұрын

Good Idea! I was already planning on doing a mid-season update on all frameworks in a couple videos time. Ill consider yours and some other people's suggestions of categories to add or remove. Anyways, Thank you so much.

@wsxpocxeafx 3 ай бұрын

Ты измени ширину окна, сделай её маленькой, и посмотри какое ужасное поведение будет у Iced. Мне кажется, Iced это нерабочая штука. Изначально плохо реализованная.

@PhantasyAI0 5 ай бұрын

I hope you can make more videos for iced/slint that are more focused on teaching them.

@AetherA11y 2 ай бұрын

The text in the middle of the video constantly flashing one word at a time is a real accessibility problem. It's nice to think of captioning your video. However, proper closed captions (rather than Google-generated ones) instead of flashing text would be much better. I came here looking for a comparison between the two UI frameworks. Accessibility is not a feature or afterthought. Accessibility is imperative to good UX design. Please consider this in the future. Thank you.

@sortof3337 4 ай бұрын

what about performance lol? you didn't judge their performance. iced is ass in terms of memory usage and performance.

@wsxpocxeafx 3 ай бұрын

И тоже самое с точки зрения поведения UI, при изменении ширины окна.

@11WicToR11 6 ай бұрын

what is that top bar flicker? how are you not triggered by it :D cmon man

@crvcode 6 ай бұрын

Yeah. My bad OBS was having issues. I tried a lot of different solutions for it but Wayland, Plasma 6 and Nvidia are just not a match made in heaven right now. By the next video, I probably would've fixed it, but if I dont, make sure to shout at me in the comments.