Fred & Rose West - The Secrets Are In The Ground | ICMAP | S4 EP6

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

After many requests... it is here. Who do you think was the leader out of Fred and Rose?

[@lee_84]

Rose. She was calculated and way worse than Fred.

[@bethanyhall7252]

Rose. They both very clearly were dangerous people, but she seems particularly devious and calculated.

[@johanrevelid2067]

Rose... inciter

[@imanirasifu2219]

ICMAP: please provide the name of the documentary featuring the John West interview. Thanks!

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

@@imanirasifu2219 The Killer in My Family 👌🏻

[@Catsandcamera]

Weird how Rose was so obsessed with calling her kid a lesbian as if she herself wasn't engaging in sex with women consistently

[@guitarguru.3572]

Projecting her own self-loathing

[@statvuesque8431]

i was having a really bad day today so having another icmap episode to listen to has brightened it up a bit!

[@rbflooring1]

When it's hot weather I say that I'm sweating like Fred West watching ground force

[@ldwp6395]

Hahaha

[@UncledadBFD]

So do I now, that’s ace

[@bethanrhiannon8666]

I live in Gloucester and never get tired of hearing the horror stories of Fred and Rose!

[@bethanrhiannon8666]

@@Autisticwanderer Yeah they knocked the house down and built a path way through to the next street, it's right next to our town and our big Gloucester Park where festivals and fairs are etc

[@Just_lift_anyone]

"Congratulations Miss Costello, it's a bus driver" 🤣🤣

[@LianaSunburster]

Ooh, excellent. I can listen to this while dashing home in shorts since it just started pouring down. Good old Cumbria weather.

[@uncleg235]

Where are you in Cumbria?

[@rehab_reject]

So glad to see this case on my favourite "podcast". Got my lemon and ginger tea and my comfy chair. Let's do this.

[@mairewitchypoo]

So good. Grateful for the light relief with this one. It must be so difficult to strike that balance but you guys nail it everytime. Great job again 🙌

[@BridAnderson]

Brilliant. I've been really looking forward to this one. This case was all over the news when I was just starting high school and it's only now - despite the extensive media coverage - that I realise just how sheltered I was from the terrifying reality of what happened. As always - great podcast guys. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

Do you remember any of the initial news coverage, or indeed what your parents and adults around you were saying about the case? It would be fascinating to hear a firsthand experience from when all this happened; and as children we perceive things very differently to when we are adults. I'd love to hear more about your story of hearing the news and what the atmosphere was like at the time though, perhaps how you understood it as a child? Sorry to be so inquisitive, and thank you.

[@BridAnderson]

​@@PaulA-yw6lx There were only a few TV channels back then and no one had the internet as we know it today. I only became aware of the case when Rose West was on trial (after Fred West's suicide) and they showed pastel drawings of her on the news as court photos weren't allowed. The talk was generally of murder...I don't remember any details of the killings being shared but it's possible I was just sheltered from it. It's only years later - and similarly with the Bulger killings - that I have found out what actually happened thanks to podcasts and the likes of Wikipedia. Scary stuff...although it does make for a good ICMAP!

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

@@BridAnderson Thank you kindly for your response, it's enlightening as to the period of time in which the news broke.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

@@BridAnderson I had a similar sounding experience- I knew that *something* very important and horrifying was going on, but the adults around me generally sheltered me from most of the details, and so I just knew there was something important enough for the adults to whisper about. For whatever reason, though, I do very clearly remember the Shipman "Doctor Death" case being in the news, and I think it was around the same time. Maybe I wasn't as sheltered because he killed mostly older ladies, and the adults around me didn't feel that would be as traumatic as hearing about a case where parents tortured & murdered their own children? (Just thinking of it from my perspective now, as a parent myself...and I can totally see wanting to shelter my kids MUCH more from a case involving parents killing children than from one about a doctor killing grannies during housecalls.)

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

@@maneckineckbeard1749 Sorry to sound like a broken record; but do you remember news reports on the TV with Harold Shipman? in papers at that time; how adults reacted or others around you, or more importantly *you* felt?

[@liamgreaves6031]

It’s hard to believe monsters like this exist especially in the uk I vividly remember this case unfolding on the news as a kid this and the James Bulgur case are the two main big news events I remember as a kid Great episode as usual lads 👍

[@spanglelime]

I think I was pretty sheltered as a kid. I just had other interests and didn't pay attention to the news because it was boring. I was about 7-8 for the Bolger case, and 10 for this one. I think I watched Newsround and that was it. I am sure my parents remember all of this going down at the time though. Kind of glad this all went over my head back then. I was a very empathetic child, and would have consumed me if I'd known and understood.

[@RobsonTheRed]

It can’t just be me that had 0 clue this case was as dark as this? I thought they killed the odd person and buried them at the house which is bad enough but jfc this is possibly the most horrendous case I’ve ever heard. Also for a lookalike I think Fred West resembles Warwick Davis in Willow. I think it’s the facial structure.

[@thequicktake]

Can’t wait to listen to this one, a podcast on the Tool Box Killers (Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris) would be class. Keep up the great work guys, great show!

[@lee_84]

Right on time! 19h00 in South Africa. Thank you.

[@themarksmith]

I didn't realise just how bad the two were... How the neighbours didn't report what they saw is beyond me... The things people can do to each other and especially their kids is unbelievable...

[@celtic69]

For some reason I thought you were on about Ben and Tom

[@jamiedavies4545]

@@celtic69 Its Jamie Davies do you like listening to house music Lewis?

[@Shrnirpledorp]

Ever since I started listening to this shi I have realised how rubbish the police are n how paranoid I have become but it’s horribly interesting

[@jamiedavies4545]

@@Shrnirpledorp Its Jamie Davies hey I live near to Scotland how are you doing I like the Scottish flag Stop playing send it my friend.

[@Shrnirpledorp]

@@jamiedavies4545 🚨🚨

[@clarewarp1384]

They probably destroyed the videos as police officers who used roses services (and possibly the daughters) were worried they’d be on film.

[@katewolfspirit6722]

I was about to say the same. It's all too disgusting, I do think these two were a monstrous pair. But look how happy and chummy Fred looks in the photos with those Police officers. It's almost like they already knew each other! Hmm...

[@spanglelime]

13:30 Tom: So, Rena was actually pregnant at the time Fred met her with a bus driver. Me: pregnant with a bus driver? That sounds uncomfortable. 🤔 Ben: ... I was imagining a bus driver in her belly. 😆 Fabulous job with this case lads. This was a tough one but you handled it with your usual bants, respect and good research, which is how I became such a big fan in the first place❤

[@melissasoos6569]

Absolutely love your new intro animation! You guys are so great to watch.

[@stephanielloyd4053]

Thankyou for doing a British case! Some of my family are from Much Marcle and Ledbury! And my dad was a press photographer and I actually remember him covering this for the paper! It was quite local to us (Worcester) I recall mum and dad talking in hushed voices about it when dad got back from Cromwell Street. It's an absolutely horrific case, all those poor girls.

[@rickyscott9351]

Due to timezone differences this episode was not uploaded on Monday, it is currently 5am Tuesday right now for me in Australia. Yes, I stayed up ALL night laying in bed watching KZbin and waiting for the notification of a new episode.... If that's doesn't speak volumes about how much I love your content I don't know what will. Lol. Going to sleep now. Thank you for this episode. It was definitely worth waiting up all night for it, and I'd do it again, guys. :-)

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

Ricky you're a trooper 🔥

[@rickyscott9351]

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast Anytime. About to watch the last 2 recent patreon minisodes. The Manchester Canal Pusher has me scratching my head. I don't know if i think accident or murder. That minisode got me thinking for days! Love it!! Thank you

[@yourmaw8790]

Im very close to where he lived when in Glasgow, and there are stories about him pursuing kids which basically got him chased out of town, along with him apparently running over a boy.

[@steveharrison76]

Brilliant walkthrough of a monstrous and complicated story. Good stuff, lads.

[@jamesg8175]

For anyone who enjoys these and isn't on patreon I highly recommend it, well worth the money!

[@joolaloola3402]

Great podcast once again - you manage to come up with lots of facts I haven't heard before. Thanks for all your work X

[@AcornElectron]

Those tapes probably contained images of particular important people with Rose. Hence the destruction.

[@32zelaw]

Well done for getting through this one chaps, you can tell how difficult it was to get through some parts. Another fantastic video, keep up the good work 👏👏

[@jeanninehochet]

It was a harrowing case, hard to listen to and so difficult for Tom and Ben to deliver. Ben particularly looked like he was struggling at times.

[@leeg12000]

Is Ben allowed to do more interesting facts going forward? 😂 Love the show lads 👍.

[@Adam_M98]

Been waiting for this one, such an interesting case!

[@mikesutton381]

My favourite time of the week. Kettle on, wife pre ignored for an hour and ten. Perfect Monday

[@kdog4587]

Hahahaha pre ignored. This is a great comment

[@idiotsimulator8055]

I've saved this one for last as I'm unhealthily obsessed with the gruesome twosome. I'm quite sure there's many more victims that will never give their families closure. One thing I will say is that Ann-Marie is a beautiful, softly spoken mum now who has given interviews and written a book. I don't know what her other siblings (apart from Stephen) have turned out like but I'd like to hope that they're doing as well as possible. Great podcast chaps ❤🎉

[@leejamesphoto]

Fred looks like he'd either sell you a dodgy car or work in a chocolate factory

[@PurpleHumunkuliWithCheesePlez]

Yea or a creepy only fools n horses rejected side character

[@christinepreston8642]

Please can we have Ben's interesting facts about Gloucestershire? I know it was a long enough case to cover, but I was intrigued, and I'd happily listen to you two for hours!!

[@hourcide]

MotorFred - Ace With Spades

[@rbflooring1]

😂🤣😂

[@declanlinnen6672]

Fun fact, Fred West's home while in Scotland was literally 2 minutes round the corner from me and my friend used to stay in it.... Coatbridge.... what a place

[@RandomHeroSpotting]

This one was so so dark that I had to pause and have a walk along the river 😅 you guys handled this so beautifully and even made me laugh in it, like always! The details were so gruesome 😅 but what a episode! Little info, so I went to college in Exeter and our bus route changed for a couple weeks as to excavate Fred and Rose's friends garden in Bradninch, search for more evidence on the friends couple and the Wests. Plus that latest one in Gloucester happened doors up from one of our stores too 🤣 so we got all the info when they found out 😊 quite the link 🤣 I thought I would share! Ben, Tom, Dan and team, well done, excellent stuff! I was always scared to deep dive this case so thank you for doing this episode 😊 I have a question for you all! What cases have you personally followed and researched? Have you already done them in episodes? 😊 all the best and until Friday 😊

[@yourmaw8790]

i saw this drop in my notifications at work. Been looking forward to this all night! time for some devils lettuce and a glass of wine

[@guitarguru.3572]

The chemistry between you guys takes this channel a notch above many other true crime podcasts. Keep doing what you do, fellas.

[@courtneyc8773]

Another great video! Really enjoyed this one.

[@modifidious666]

i grew up in gloucestershire and it was horrible when this came on the news, just really sickening to hear this was in my county. rose west still knows something as there are said to be more victims in berkeley and much markle, hope something comes to light one day.

[@missliverpoolcatlady]

Brilliantly presented. Love you guys ❤️

[@HayeyHAVOK]

YAY! I’ve been waiting for this Case 😝

[@kdog4587]

Yes! Not even watched it yet but know it'll be a good one. 10 eps deep on the minisodes now too, loving it. I love Tom's wry insults to Ben, your cheek is so funny and Ben is a bloody sweetheart. Really enjoying you guys on patreon, not enjoying having to remember a new password with baby brain but it's well worth the money. Keep it up :D

[@chrisgamberg]

It’s another I Can Murder Monday!!!!

[@SleepingOnScissors]

My old work supervisors mother was a picture perfect lookalike of Rose West. He used to call her Rose too.

[@zeusmanlord1602]

Really good as always guys! I had no idea how terrible they were! How the hell did they get away with things for so long?!!

[@kayleighlacroix4865]

Also on the gavin and Stacey thing, of course her name is Stacey west and there the shipmans, also micks friend Peter is called Peter sutcliffe😂 x

[@dylandd2]

These 2 are a legendary duo 💯

[@kevintuck1732]

What an eerie intro 😳 loved it.

[@sandikohler900]

Thanks!

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

Thank you so much 🖤🥹

[@mojojojojuniper6122]

I remember this unravelling on the news back in the day. Horrific. Glad they got rid of the house

[@NikitaSarahful]

That photo of Fred handcuffed laughing with the policemen knocks me sick. How could the police entertain this monster.

[@franminky7763]

I’ve worked in forensic services , if you can’t switch off and put aside the crimes of the people you are dealing with , you wouldn’t be able to do your job , Plus , you’ve no idea what that officer is laughing at , Someone might have just called West a c*nt ,

[@jhibberd6290]

I think they might have been worried about him committing suicide before trial so they tried to keep him upbeat.

[@ianpunter4486]

I remember the world's press camped outside the Wests' house. A BBC reporter asked a lady German TV journalist why the public in her country would be so interested in the case. Her reply? "Oh, we do not have mass murderers in my country".

[@jackhamilton9604]

My lookalike for Fred is Gilbert Gottfried

[@Liam-qn2kn]

Happy I could murder a podcast day everyone

[@ryanhawkings_]

Great listen! Keep um coming boys!

[@UncledadBFD]

Well, that was the grimmest thing I’ve ever listened to. Thanks lads.

[@thekingspanttree8495]

I remember there was a joke going around at the time, about Fred West being acquitted because they had discovered he'd bought his topsoil from Lockerbie.

[@BrianFeral1]

Rose west lookalike - Sarah Millican (English comedian)

[@Kimberz90]

I live in 26 Cromwell Road 😅 close enough right. As always a fab podcast guys!!

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

😅😅

[@AKinkySasquatch]

I've seen all the requests for this case, and I am excited because I have no idea who these people are lol.

[@AKinkySasquatch]

Quick update: Those are some fucked up people. That's all.

[@lettysharp578]

Can't wait to get into this one! Been wondering for a while, what make are your headphones guys? Thanks!

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

They are a cheap pair from Amazon 😂. Nothing fancy

[@lettysharp578]

Thanks 😂

[@simonroper4713]

I want the five minute banter at the start back.

[@johanrevelid2067]

Such an interesting THOUGH very disturbing case..

[@dave25311]

Pretty sure they burned the tapes, because a lot of police were using rose's services and maybe worse!

[@sophs.things7390]

I started watching this podcast recently I was talking to my dad today and he worked as a prison officer doing pe and worked with fred west and wasn’t on duty but was employed when he hung himself. He only gave them the most basic thing he could

[@isacl1ment]

why does people complain about how long it takes you to start? That's one of the things (there are many others) that makes you special! I love how you digress!

[@spanglelime]

Agreed, I love how casual this podcast is. I had to take a break from true crime for awhile bc it was really getting to me mentally. These guys were the way I eased back into the genre again bc it was so casual, humorous, and informational. The digressions and asides are great!

[@guitarguru.3572]

I agree. I like how they interact with each other. Clearly, they are really good friends.

[@isacl1ment]

@@spanglelime the same thing happened to me!

[@kevinmole9982]

i was working in arcway doors in Gloucester they came in and they seemed nice you just never know

[@mpg272727]

Never heard the guy speak before sure was not expecting him to sound like Farmer John

[@QuadrexJosh]

Well done podcast guys , one of the hardest to watch, all the details are so horrific, I'm a bit more disturbed than usual watching this one. Poor people caught up in this......and yes head injuries are such a huge factor along with sexual abuse etc. why do I always watch such dark stuff hahahaha !!!!

[@Bekka_boo13]

I've only recently discovered you guys...I really enjoy your videos...

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

Rocking the shirts again Ben!

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

PS. You too Tom, but I can't really say that about a self-described 'Rose West' outfit... lol

[@jameslovesbutter2314]

Looks like a Gabicci or something of that nature... Great work lads :)

[@momcilovukic4222]

By far the worse case you guys have covered so far. To say that things these two people did were disgusting and horrifying would be an understatement

[@tomr1735]

No more 20 second Intros up the boys

[@jonathancheetham7683]

Well condensed lads! X

[@victoriaking4703]

A wee bit of trivia… the photo you showed of the M8? That’s right next to the chapel where Peter Tobin committed his last murder.

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

We love a bit of trivia!

[@nevaagen1133]

This has been one of the darkest episodes since Kathy Knight grim. Will you guys be looking at Charlie manson any time soon?

[@donquin4232]

I love what you do please keep it up

[@Bekka_boo13]

I have Rose West glasses so don't worry Tom x

[@mik315onfire]

Good show guys. I would have gone for Clint Howard as a look-a-likey for Fred

[@jam9852]

My mom knew a old friend who once worked with Fred West before what came out Apparently he was a quiet worker but definitely shocked everyone who worked there I think both are pure evil both of them are on the scale of true evil for me so its a tie.

[@staceycope7364]

So I watched this last night.. then I had to watch appropriate adult.. couldnt stop watching was up till 11.30 watching and had get up for work at 2 🙈.. but good shout it was good!! So was the podcast BTW 👍.. and any1 else think the pic of rose on the thumbnail pic looks like Caroline quentin in men behaving badly days 👀

[@jordannew3803]

Where can I submit video requests? Being from Newcastle, I'd love to see a video on Mary Bell!

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

Hey Jordan, we cover request cases on our Patreon page every week. Mary Bell has actually already been requested on there and she is coming up in one of the next round of case votes :)

[@jordannew3803]

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast Brilliant! Thank you.

[@jonathancheetham7683]

It’s a bit of a Byker Grove top, Tom man.

[@farr108]

There is some dark shit to talk about in this one - going in!

[@jr66086]

My Mum looks like Rose West in her old passport photo.

[@georgeclements__]

I walk past where their house was almost everyday

[@kurdeeminecraftmeerkat7]

Rose West jumper 🤣🤣

[@StarChild1884]

ROSE!! 🔊

[@bethanyhall7252]

One of my lecturers worked in prisons and met Rose West, and apparently she had the nerve to complain that she was stared at despite "losing my kids in all this too". I mean, seriously?

[@ICouldMurderAPodcast]

Wow, that is terrible!

[@bethanyhall7252]

@@ICouldMurderAPodcast I asked if she was scary and my lecturer said she was. A bit unsurprising, I wouldn't want to be in a room with her!

[@iamhocus]

I loved the G facts to be fair

[@miguelsanchez-ir7do]

Fuckinell man this is a great pod cast

[@sillik1329]

Fred looks like Craig Charles not gonna lie

[@Nat-lg2ks]

Fred’s siblings dont agree on Freds stories about his family life

[@PaulA-yw6lx]

Another fantastic video fellas! I've not watched the entire video yet, in the process, but Rose West's behaviour in prison and how she dangled evidence and the placement of bodies/burials in front of the police for a lesser sentence (or I would imagine, better living conditions in prison), makes me think that she was actually the ring leader; and she was definitely smarter than Fred; generally (not always) in cases like this it seems that the female partner is smarter and far better at hiding any sick impulses and urges they have. I think that unfortunately, this was a match made in hell. A violent man with sexually perverted fantasies, and a woman who shared some of those, but was also able to manipulate and control Fred in many ways. Also, didn't they both turn on each other as soon as they were arrested?... And that was their idea of a 'loving marriage'?! Congrats on your own marriage too Tom... just don't be killing people and burying them on the Moors this time :p Otherwise, I hope and am sure you will be very happy.

[@jhibberd6290]

Rose has never admitted anything and she has never dangled anything. You might be thinking of Myra Hindley

[@Jillcupples]

No sewage but beautiful views....🤔.....I could live with that 😌

[@robertcharlottemaxwell]

My crush on Ben just gets more and more distracting every week. Another corker of a show boys, congrats.

[@catherineflanagan3392]

Your both funny and great to watch 🇮🇪😎🙃😂

[@googlzastalker6870]

Well done. More pictures tho.

[@carmelhughesparolya899]

Ooooh that jumper .. hideous Tom .. very Rose West ☠️☠️