Ideal room for PS Audio FR30 speakers

Find out about PS Audio's new aspen FR30 speakers and their placement. And check out our new KZbin channel, Octave Records / @octaverecordsanddsdst...

[@AllboroLCD]

The entire first batch of pre-orders have been sold, congrats for that! I do hope to finally check out an audio show at some point and maybe get a chance to hear these things.

[@ryanschipp8513]

We don't know for sure that they've been sold through if they could just be putting that on the website

[@SimplyGetPaid]

@0:04🤔🧐 HMM, WEIRD.. ..I DIDN’T REMEMBER EITHER BEFORE ABOUT 6 WEEKS AGO BUT NOW I’M REALIZING THAT I MUST’VE KNOWN SINCE I’M ALWAYS WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS PAUL !!! 🙏

[@markwagner1997]

Paul, you aren't audacious! You are audiodacious! Looking forward to seeing the fr30's smaller siblings!

[@ShahidiSabri]

Room size and the amplifier power output per channel and the loudspeaker power output , there is a calculations for a standardised ratio options.

[@thomasbrown7980]

Great video as always. Beautiful speakers. I kept worrying that you were going to trip, however!

[@LuxAudio389]

For about 4 minutes I was lost in the promotion and not the writer's query🤔 Excellent setup advise! I live by it in my listening room, thanks to, yes, Paul's Audiophiles guide. I hope he lives for another 40 yes and does You Tube. Paul is a living legend and character. It was a pleasure meeting him at Axpona pre COVID♥️.

[@tjp444]

Looking forward to your upcoming speakers that will be smaller and able to sit in a traditional living room.

[@bikemike1118]

How much smaller?

[@joz411no8]

And closer to my price range.

[@joz411no8]

@@bikemike1118 It's probably not literal, but Paul did mention in a video that each speaker would be roughly half the size and half the price. I'm sure that's give or take a few bucks and inches.

[@bikemike1118]

@@joz411no8 o.k., we‘ll see

[@joz411no8]

@@bikemike1118 Boy, did I phrase that incorrectly. Supposedly the speakers will get progressively smaller (2 or maybe 3 models - Paul had a "Sprout" version in videos past). and the sizes and prices will be roughly half that of the larger, more expensive model. You're right, though. We will indeed see.

[@keithbertschin1213]

They are a thing of beauty

[@austinrausch9836]

Paul, I love your videos, but the outro makes me miss the Denver area. While I was enlisted, I used to step out of the barracks each morning and stare in awe at the front range of the Rocky Mountains. Thank you for the content, and please don't change a thing. I love reminiscing about yesteryear, and learning as much as possible about audio reproduction.

[@guywilloughby5443]

You are absolutely correct about the mid-range.

[@joz411no8]

It's funny how you notice a bad recording by midrange first.

[@guywilloughby5443]

@@joz411no8 True. But good recording as well.

[@xoticshock]

Hi Paul… would be great if you have the time to upload a few recordings of the new speakers actually playing a contrast of music. There’s a few promo review type vids on you tube and a bunch of pics on the web but let’s face it most of just want to hear them play. I know it’s not perfect but most listers can get a decent idea of what the performance is like by listen to the speaker and room in the video. Keep up the amazing work .

[@deananderson7092]

Moscow Idaho is the home of UofI and a great winter jazz festival. Lionell Hampton has been the front man for the festival for years. (Though I don't know if he's still involved today.) That said, many of today's great players have played in that festival over the years, and many got their starts in festivals like that.

[@upsty6499]

I believe you always get it right, it appears to be wellmade, both speakers are of high quality seeing them here, I am assured of it.

[@Goldenhordemilo]

And i value your input.

[@peterw2714]

Oh that was so good to hear Paul I’m designing a dedicated listening room that’s 14’ x 18‘ with 12 foot ceilings and was worried that the speakers would be too large for that. it’s great to hear that that would work. When the house is done if I can’t find the speakers in an audio show I will head to your place of business to give them a demo. I really like what you have done and I can’t wait to give them a listen.

[@Roof_Pizza]

Don't forget ceiling treatment. A bare ceiling is as bad as bare walls or floors.

[@alt3rnatywa]

without unnecessary calculations, if you plan a room (eg from 0) / Advice "START FROM o acoustic-ceiling panels" over the listening point almost half of the work with the head. and lower you descend with a frequency of 50 hz and lower you need a larger room volume. Single wave 35hz (+/- 9m (9m = 29ft 6.330709in) If the room is shorter on its longest edge, it starts with Resonances - Most often it starts to colorize medium and high frequencies .. for another chapter. .

[@alt3rnatywa]

last advice loudspeaker sets It's best to start at 1/5 of the length and 1/5 of the width (listening point =》》 WORST PLACE! If there is a place and the wife does not dry her head

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗 HOPE TO HEAR THEM SOMEDAY AND COMPARE THEM 🤔☺️ Meanwhile don’t forget to give SCOTT HIS DUE 😉😁😍😍😍

[@stevejohnson395]

Thanks for the great video. With regard to the benefits of adding diffusion treatments behind the front main speakers... are your comments contingent to the type of speaker (bipole vs.dipole) or whether the speaker has rear facing drivers or ports? Thanks.

[@RealHIFIHelp]

Cool look.

[@bwoutrage21]

Good question.

[@pedrocols]

Midrange is where is at, That is why I have Magnepan speakers powered by Tubes!

[@georgeageorgopoulos]

Hi Buddy Paul, wow big pwramp boxes ;))

[@JingoLoBa57]

I really liked the grey color… bring it back!

[@the_normal]

Paul.Best seller in the world!

[@jonsingle1614]

Glad you dont need those Infinity speakers anymore ....my offer of 500$ still stands 😁

[@playbackvintagehifihunter9669]

I've already reserved 😉😁

[@robh9079]

Australian?

[@hoobsgroove]

that's a high offer

[@jonsingle1614]

@@hoobsgroove shipping included !!

[@hoobsgroove]

@@jonsingle1614 🥰😂

[@melockavich9596]

How many WATTS can those mids take before smoke? I like the sound of live music.

[@riyad7272]

just got hands on my new BHK pre and 250 a week back. they sound amazing already, there is no surprise there. but why do they smell so good ?? is that the caps are burning or wood panels on top of them ??

[@warpspeed9877]

Everybody that builds or buys high-quality speakers owe to themselves to listen to speakers that cover the portion from at least 500 Hz upwards with a high-quality isodynamic planar midrange and a high-quality ribbon tweeter. I guarantee you that your perception of how quality music reproduction must sound will change for ever...no matter how many ceramic, soft dome, papyrus, hemp or what other "exotic" driver you have listened to.

[@sundarAKintelart]

Nice to know. Would you elaborate why Phase changes within a set of speakers, why and how... Would love to hear you explain... thanks. Sundar.

[@James-ip1tc]

Does a low range depend on the size of the room can the waveforms even fit

[@HiFi_Paradise]

We need a video only on these babies! Sound Demo and tech behind it.

[@joz411no8]

Something tells me that once people take delivery of them, you'll likely hear demos of some of the Octave Records releases. But that could just be my wishful thinking.

[@johndavies6253]

Finally! We address the elephant in the room, & it is actually the room itself. So a room 20 foot square would be more than enough, but how high should the ceiling be? Do we want a concrete floor? What about the walls, concrete too? I always wondered about homes in the US with AC, with those air ducts. Are they resonators and difficult for audiophiles to manage acoustically? Paul, I love your videos, but if the answers to what makes an ideal room is in your book, then please tell me and I’ll buy it tomorrow. If I’m going to invest £30k in your speakers, you’d better believe I’m going to spend at least that making the room the best possible place to let them shine!! Can you give us a tour of the system in that room please? What are you using to drive those speakers?

[@maxb.simonsen2459]

It is speakers after all so any normal principle's of room acoustics will apply. You can watch the construction of the old listening, here they show what they did to the room to make a lot better than a normal rectangular room.

[@peterw2714]

Square rooms are less than ideal for audiophiles.

[@cablebrain9691]

What are the brands and models of the room treatments in the room there? And why is one of the tower bass trap/diffusers turned to diffuse instead of to trap bass? The room appears symmetrical; of course I can't see what is behind e camera.

[@craigellsworth3952]

The ideal room for them is effing mine.

[@freekwo7772]

That is pretty direct answer and it is welcoming. 14×10ft means your spekars accomodate 4,5m× 3,5m rooms and up. That is actually excellent news. I think the better choice be at least 4×5m which is still ok.

[@mcplutt]

4.2x3.0 m but most people who can afford these speakers have bigger rooms available. Even I have bigger rooms, but I can't afford those speakers :-)

[@mcplutt]

4.2x3.0 m but most people who can afford these speakers have bigger rooms available. Even I have bigger rooms, but I can't afford those speakers :-)

[@freekwo7772]

@@mcplutt you gave dimension of speaker profile. In reality, you will rarely find room that is 4,2×3,0. Even 3,5×4,5 is very rare but still posible. It is more often that you have 3×5, 3,5×5, or 4×5, 4×6. My point is that I found 4×5m minimum for those FR30 and regarding their size and power I found it very good!

[@MrSatyre1]

I question your saying a 10' wide room would work. I would think the side-firing passive bass radiators would create some big badda boom that would be very hard to control.

[@mikaelmllersnnichsen539]

Yeah, hope you a pair, and will get a pair :)

[@endrizo]

paul. also say distances in meters . thanks

[@IdovShai]

Hey! Can you explain how a phase is inverted on balance cable? I understand how it's work, but didn't understand how to flip a phase so it cancel any noise. Thank you in advance

[@Paulmcgowanpsaudio]

You can use either a phase inverter circuit which is an op amp using its inverting input or you can use an audio transformer. A transformer always has both phases available.

[@77MovieFan]

1 foot away from the wall is still OK? Because these speakers are so deep if really would ruin the optics in my room if they would be "more away from the wall". My Magnepan standing at ~ 3,11f from the wall and that is quite at a limit where I want them. So removing the depth of the FR30 there will only be ~1f to the wall. Is this still OK or to less?

[@mrwilliamwonder]

These speakers seem like they are for orchestras and stuff like Paul likes. How well do they recreate a Marshall stack?

[@terryjefferylee6314]

If you were building a room with an 8' (2.44m) ceiling the best width and depth for sonic balance is 13' (3.95m) wide and 21' (6.39m) deep, if 9' ceilings 15' x 24' approx. If you can't achieve these proportions you'll need absorption on the rear wall (behind your seat).

[@LEIMAHMOOD]

What about 15x21x10 w L h

[@mattalones93]

“I hope you get a pair” - Paul 😂

[@Andrewatnanz]

So longer room is better? I was going to set up in a really wide room but the back wall is directly behind the sofa. I can change the orientation if you think longer is better. Great videos btw 😁

[@glenncurry3041]

Long way is always better. Well 15' x 50'? But almost always.

[@louisperlman8030]

It will interesting to see how the FR-30’s stack up against speakers in its price range, such as the Magic A5 and Wilson Sasha DW (certified pre owned).

[@bikemike1118]

Good point… I personally doubt more than abit that it can compete with a Wilson. No offense though, but PS Audio is a newby in speaker business!

[@maxb.simonsen2459]

@@bikemike1118 The designer is not though, and Paul is a very experienced listener. I'm not saying they will compete, because I have not heard either speaker, but I have faith in Paul and the rest of the guys's ears, and their ability to tell if it is good or not, and Paul wouldn't shill the speakers like he is, if he weren''t seriously thinking that the speakers could beat the IRS V.

[@bikemike1118]

@@maxb.simonsen2459 I think that Paul should give us a listening experience - even through KZbin I could compare and judge the sound. If you e.g. check out the channel ‚Jay’s Audio Lab‘ …this dude gives great listening examples of ultra HighEnd Audio gear including speakers….so why don’t Paul …just to make us a bit nervous 😬. There are way too many TALKERS about hifi out there already…although his content with answering specific questions is good.

[@scottyo64]

@@bikemike1118 What? Guess You dont know that Paul was at Infinity and left to start Genesis. Might want to look into it before saying they are newbies

[@freekwo7772]

@@bikemike1118 magico a5 are bigger competitor

[@stevenburdick424]

Are speaker grills included?

[@ericberger6966]

Don't start barking, Wooff.😂

[@petekutheis3822]

For that dough I'd buy more upscale fabers.

[@ryanschipp8513]

But they wouldn't be made in China like Paul's speakers;);)

[@SwoOopy]

To proof yourself, make a pair of monitor speakers and let's see if any studios need to use it or not.

[@brandobashin4838]

Please make a video trying to “SELL” these speakers or just a video explaining it and your opinions on the speakers them self

[@kirkbobo1363]

Question, what does FR stand for? Paul you mentioned you had infinity RS1B 4 tower speakers, but you stated you didn't like them same for Magnepan 2 speakers in your past. The Magnepan speakers couldn't compare at all to the Infinity RS1B. Electrostatic drivers vs ribbon drivers are two worlds apart.

[@eemians7026]

It stands for Full Range.

[@RickMahoney2013]

Paul please give credit for all that were involved in creating the FR 30’s, and what does the 30 stand for thanks Rick

[@Bassotronics]

The more Paul talks about these speakers, the more I want to work at the local stripper joint to buy a pair.

[@krzysztofgilowski1736]

Is that the famous Bassotronics that everyone plays to test the low end of their gear? :D

[@Bassotronics]

@@krzysztofgilowski1736 Woof woof woof! 😬

[@Foxrock321]

It’s a dog pound of woofers..could the FR 30. Someday,.. expand and grow to a FR 40 or 50?

[@googoo-gjoob]

Jimmy........ did you once work at Sanitary Market..... in Randallstown?

[@markeaton2003]

Are the radiators time delayed, or out of phase, or time from the drivers? Action /reaction delay. Do four speakers vibrate the same frequencies at the same instant? Do your radiators have twice the surface area of the drivers surface area, as required? Four 8 inch drivers do not create lower frequencies than one 15 inch. The 2 woofers, a 15 and 12inch for the 15 at 20-60hz and the 12 inch 50 to 400-600hz You can shake a room at 40hz but that is resonant distortion. .I think any speaker that uses radiators do not dampen resonance right. But everyone is different, just like people. I would like to hear that midrange. Is BK alive,? where is the king?

[@xxxxxxxyyyyyyy]

How do you connect them to a computer? :)

[@danielesbordone1871]

The crossover frequency of 2500 Hz. makes me a bit nervous for the tweeter. Seems a bit low.

[@70grade37]

Do you have any other Speakers that aren't 28K a pair? I tried going to your site and that seems to be the only option. Thank you

[@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285]

Later this year and into next is when the lower cost options will be announced.

[@72tx340]

How do you come up with the name fr30? Does it stand for anything?

[@hoobsgroove]

is an an old Soviet Russian MIG a fr30 lol

[@jamotter8967]

Will these speakers work in a near-field setup? Please advise.

[@petekutheis3822]

He said 6 feet away...close enough.

[@jamotter8967]

@Jazzer2349 . . . That's good to know. There's not enough room for the IRS5s and a monitor.

[@D1N02]

I have enough space but not enough money, darn.

[@Andrewatnanz]

There is a Moscow in Pennsylvania too.

[@y.k.9705]

But there's no Washington in Russia. I know I'm Russian. Haha

[@mpachis]

Moscow, TN too.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

Dammit, Paul!! Please don't trip and hurt yourself. Move the footsies somewhere else so you can roam freely ;-)

[@Roof_Pizza]

Can't imagine anyone that can afford these having a too small of room problem.

[@glenncurry3041]

Someone living in Manhattan.

[@craigellsworth3952]

@Glenn Curry When you've got so many excellent jazz clubs in one area why stay home and listen to stereo.

[@Roof_Pizza]

@@glenncurry3041 Not really. Always that one guy pulling out the one in a million scenario. I'm sure they'd lean towards bookies if room size was a factor. I know many people with multiple homes, cars, businesses but not one with a crazy home stereo. Audiophiles are less common than we think.

[@joz411no8]

Maybe not room, but certainly budget. I was thinking that same think, though.

[@Evil_Peter]

@@craigellsworth3952 Many reasons. So you don't have to listen to jazz. So you can pick which artist to listen to. To not have to have others decide at which times you can listen to great music. To be able to enjoy music without having to leave your home.

[@mpachis]

Paul, have any samples gone out to reviewers?

[@rickfrancis4182]

Pick me.... I'm a reviewer.. Honest, I am...

[@hoobsgroove]

yeah to the deaf community

[@imdustinbowls]

@@hoobsgroove wow

[@ThinkingBetter]

Definitely the ability to more precisely get your eardrums to follow the audio sound waves is greatly helped by single ribbon drivers per frequency band rather than the multi-path mess of the IRSV that is sort of the opposite of the KEF Uni-Q point source. Nice direction of speaker design of PS audio but wish they would allow active cross-over models at some point.

[@cablebrain9691]

I wouldn't call a line source a multi-path mess, but it's definitely a more expensive way of achieving good sound. All methods have their pluses and minuses. In the end, the Devil is in the details.

[@ThinkingBetter]

@@cablebrain9691 The vertical dispersion of the high frequency treble get dispersed with comb filtering effects as you can’t get an effective line source effect considering the short wave length.

[@dbmccoy12]

What are the crossover points between the three active speakers??? You need to play the speakers on this video!!!!!

[@jamestorres4705]

I wonder if I can trade one of my kidneys and purchase the FR 30s

[@rwgamer]

I thought the midrange and tweeter should be at listener height. They look too high for someone sitting down.

[@mattuw82]

The speakers are 60 inches tall. The tweeter is maybe three fourths of the way up. Average seated ear height is around 40 inches. It looks like they're pretty spot on. Maybe a few inches above ear level if you've got a low seating position.

[@MattZCanada]

1:59

[@Jorge-Fernandez-Lopez]

Next time, my room won't have the same width than height. Room modes can be extreme with wrong dimensions.

[@craigellsworth3952]

Will these be shown at APOXNA in April?

[@petekutheis3822]

I saw the latest exhibitor list--PS Audio, McIntosh and VPI are some of those so far not appearing... at least as of this morning when I checked. AXPONA is tempting this year at 99-125$ flights, 100$ rooms in the area. Rental car is the higher cost item. Still I am not sure I want to spend 2000 on a vacation just to be in the rarified environment with SR and the ilk in attendance.

[@craigellsworth3952]

@@petekutheis3822 We are coming in from Dallas. Have an overpriced room in downtown Naperville for the weekend. Will probably go to the show either Friday or Saturday. Who's SR?

[@scottyo64]

My listening position is very close to the back wall. I have a high back chair and a sound absorption panel behind my head but unfortunately my room right now is fairly small

[@saint6563]

Hey, you're trying! Sound absorption/diffusion will give you the sonic sensation of not being completely up against the wall. For more critical listening, pull the chair/sofa out into the room more, moving it back afterwards. Enjoy.

[@pawemarciniak8281]

A gdzie muzyka?

[@johnsenchak1428]

Their is a ,Moscow in Pennsylvania to

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

what kind of amplification are we talking about though

[@robh9079]

87db is reasonable efficient. PS recommend 100watt min - though obviously of a certain quality.

[@markwagner1997]

At the beginning he stated that they would work great with the Stella Strata, which is a class D, 100 wpc @ 8 ohms integrated amplifier.

[@faludabutt8253]

Hi Paul. I wanna come from UK to demo this first in ur room. Would u accommodate me ?

[@peterw2714]

I’ve heard that they will

[@hoobsgroove]

why?? fyne f1-10 same price!

[@Crumbleofborg]

Hey, my room is suitable! But I need to save up :(

[@tomfoolery2082]

I bet Jimmy knew .

[@allenthompson7646]

Why can't I see anywhere on the internet of the back of your speakers, you know the binding post and a breakdown of the inside of the speakers ? Just please put pictures of the back of your speakers somewhere on the internet.

[@rainman3269]

What is the Retail price Please ... Thanks in advance ... Kind Regards

[@peterw2714]

I believe he had said 28500 dollars in another video

[@mvsrpharma]

🐤

[@Bulldog_DK]

when do you turn them on with great mic so we here online can hear them??

[@glenncurry3041]

Without having a pair there to listen to them with?

[@robh9079]

What the Victorians did for us Brits; Create row upon row of 12'x12' living rooms! agghhh!

[@endrizo]

come on paul.. press play... make them sound

[@bilguana11]

One can do very well for much less such as the ELAC Vela 409s + a great sub.

[@nightdrive2646]

Paul has mentioned many times that he likes Elac speakers

[@anthonymartino9917]

Those will never have as much bottom as the IRS 5S system. I can not see them rivaling it.

[@fredbissnette3104]

they appear to use a similar technology as the jbl "charge" series bluetooth speakers which use passive radiators to increase the bass and wow do they work , I could imagine with larger drivers the result would be astounding. do not underestimate these

[@timschutte6924]

I shutter to even ask how much a pair of those speakers cost ??? Like buying a car, a really nice car.!!!!

[@bubbleone6526]

Paul, the average person cannot go anywhere except PS Audio in Colorado to hear these. Even with uTube’s limitations you should do a demo for us. I’m sure you could talk to one of the artists that record at your studios to sign off on copyright as they would be getting free publicity for their music thus selling more. Come on no excuses you can do this. Peace out from Jamie in Washington State.

[@larrywe3320]

Until the FR30 is independently reviewed/tested all of this is a sales pitch

[@ChiefExecutiveOrbiter]

Must be difficult to decide what entertainment room, on what floor, of the Mansion it's going in. 😜

[@imdustinbowls]

Hater

[@donpayne1040]

Slick.

[@stephenstevens6573]

I dont have thst kind of monry...never will...but, if I did, id be damned if I spent 28 grand on speakers made in China. You dropped the ball on this one Paul.

[@umtbozkr2358]

Are they really made in China? I didn’t get that. If so, no way 28k, no matter how much engineering it went in. The labor costs or almost nothing over there….

[@robertspringer9477]

Why do you say made in China?

[@stephenstevens6573]

Because the day he made the video of them receiving the first shipment, the crates were clearly labelled

[@umtbozkr2358]

@@stephenstevens6573 I like Paul’s videos. I am not an engineer but I build my speakers now and then by myself with self chosen high end drivers. A couple of grands on very good driver’s chosen on their specs, software, measuring plus, If you have the skills by yourself, if not a by a experienced carpenter, will get you the sound of these for a lot less in my opinion. But like I said, my opinion, don’t judge me on that! 28.000 dollars on those…. absolutely not! What are they made of, chassis with gold plated baskets hand carved almost extinct wood and so on… come on.

[@SpyderTracks]

@@stephenstevens6573 and because he’s clearly said where they were made for the last 6 months in his videos and on the forum. It’s no secret.

[@ryanschipp8513]

Paul, based on the bass extension that you talked of you need a room at least 20 by 30 to maximize the sonic offerings. Of course you're not going to mention that because it will eliminate 80% of your viewers.

[@mcplutt]

Viewers or buyers?

[@ryanschipp8513]

@@mcplutt potential buyers;)

[@amail1111]

Better than...... Nobody has IRS at home to do a comparison. Why don't you make one and show us.....

[@2112Fade2Black]

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[@realitykicksin8755]

Single point tweeters seems to be far more sensible than a whole stack of them like the IRS. I always wondered how the IRS high tones would dominate with sealing reflections. Also the spacing between the IRS left and right tweeters seems to close in proportion

[@allansh828]

Please tell me where you dump IRSV. Because attachment is not the Jedi way, I am sure you will throw that relic away.

[@philipw7058]

Not worth 30 grand sorry 😞 great looking and probably sounding also I think 15 to 20 grand max

[@realtalk6340]

You guys should make your own ELECTROSTAT speakers. Nothing, sounds as good. Nothing.

[@stimpy1226]

Ever heard of a Moscow Mule?

[@peterw2714]

Moscow Idaho was the place all the WSU students from Washington would go to when Idaho had a lower drinking age. Moscow Mule sounds like a stiff drink.

[@stimpy1226]

@@peterw2714 Yes it is Peter