IDENTITY V IS HUNTER SIDED

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

Surprised to see Moonlit being the most hunter sided. I know it's cause Opera and Ivy can work on those maps well but I always figured China Town was the best hunter map. Also Night Watch having the highest draw rate, even over Bonbon is crazy. He truly is the draw king. 18:55 I agree that Ivy still isn't mastered, though n1e is 100% the pioneer of Ivy right now. He never loses with Ivy and nobody's Ivy feels like it's on his level.

[@ZeusIDV]

Ikr you would think otherwise but here we are LOL

[@nikkey8951]

im surprised ppl still argue about this. while there is nuance in regards to character picks, and the reality of regular players is not the same as competitive players, if you look at WRs across the board... hunters have always had the higher statistic, no? i think that people are perceiving things differently simply because that is the design of the game. the pressure that you feel as a survivor is not the same pressure as a hunter. playing as a survivor can be a miserable death-by-a-thousand-cuts affair in which minor mistakes slowly build and drag everyone down, whereas for hunter it may feel like if you make one mistake you're immediately sent to the guillotine. however, that mistake is caused by YOU. if you made the wrong turn you can take actions to mitigate or even correct it. as a survivor you can do everything right and never get back on the path because you can't control other people. you cannot control your teammates' timing, their kiting ability, their awareness of the map, their familiarity with hunters, their ability to adapt, their ability to communicate, their game sense, etc. that's why, no matter how it may personally feel, statistically hunters will do better. they don't have to rely on others to get the results they want. survivors are meant to work as a team, so if one fucks up then more often than not EVERYONE is forced to lay in that bed. it's how the game is designed.

[@ZeusIDV]

That is the main thing for the most part, idv has turned now into fuck up once or dont at all. Issue is one side gets rewarded way more for not fucking up

[@canibuyyou8524]

I mostly play with a duo. But when I go solo, once the first survivor gets downed by hunter in the first 20 seconds of the game, it takes all the effort to draw the game let alone win it.

[@soupshouldgetgud8506]

all these videos about idv meta all these twitter posts but NO STREAMS…like what happens when the talk isn’t cheap 🙄

[@kinari4488]

When i was watching IVL it was like: Survivors goal was to get 1 out and then their hunter do a 4K, it was basically this every time

[@Higuybyee]

Oh hi Kin funny seeing u here

[@kinari4488]

​@@Higuybyee ❤

[@kinari4488]

IVS*

[@sera48g]

I love this topic i actually had an autistic ass reaction to seeing that title im ready to see zeus idv cook 🔥🔥🔥

[@huni3991]

literally tournament is so boring to watch nowadays that it feels like any survivor win is so so so much more exciting in comparison. like it’s hard to get hype over a hunter winning unless it’s a much less meta hunter because i’m so used to it, like, oh, wow, a shadow 4k ed again. like woa really?! i would’ve never expected that.🤕

[@sennoka6300]

what’s even crazier is that we haven’t even touched goatman and his potential especially compared to our newer survivors (cough cough faro lady)

[@ZeusIDV]

Quite literally another r1 potential pick

[@perceptionidv]

Opera and Ivy are not only meta but they are leagues above the actual survivors we have, like actual SS tier hunters. And they can be spammed which of course will give hunters more chance to get pts. The strategy is just to spam these characters to get high pts then pick the best tie hunters, the survivors dont have as much consistency because the hunter side get more bans so they can easily ban their counter and forcing picks for characters that dont truly counter them. Meanwhile the hunter seem to have a back up plan since they mostly always do the same thing.

[@ZeusIDV]

Yeah, its insane how straight forward the hunter side is, and even when knowing this it still cant be stopped

[@dr-weeb]

Okay but at what point I'm supposed to have fun playing hunter? Ivy and Opera are just boring af, but my other mains just get more and more counters each patch so every game becomes like "oh, yeah, I'm just going to get abused for 56 seconds until they run out of items or make a stupid mistake"

[@ZeusIDV]

@@dr-weeb I mean thats what qms are for, you dont que up rank to have fun.

[@dr-weeb]

@@ZeusIDV It was much better before, even though the ping was even worse. Most games felt fair, rank wins were rewarding because although they were difficult, I could say "wow, these survivors kited really well, ggs", and losses were not frustrating as you could see your mistakes affecting it. Now you just have to pray for either a really bad comp, or just no comms at all, as the sheer amount of opportunities survivors have makes it so you practically can't win without them making 3+ grave mistakes

[@perceptionidv]

@@dr-weeb Yeah most hunters get destroyed by survivors thats why people say this game is survivor sided. If you dont play the strong hunters you get destroyed, thanks to survivors getting buffed alot overtime. Even if hunters are overall stronger because they also got buffed they are less cheap than what most survivors are nowadays. Edit : By the way i dont really struggle playing the weaker hunters but survivors really feel cheap compared to their old state. Powercreep hahaa

[@ethangalen271]

Ik I'm gonna get hated for this, but the game felt more fun when wheel, gala, and yidhra were the best hunters tbh

[@ZeusIDV]

No no, keep cooking

[@wobuharu7190]

Yidhra meta was truly the best meta

[@TakeaSipBabes]

The meta is definitely hunter sided rn, but i think it was the right to do cus we had way too many seasons of survivors dominating with little effort imo. Opera and ivy are definitely game changers and they give other hunters an opportunity to become viable as well which is a nice added bonus. I have been watching all seasons of ivl and the survivors were having too much of an easy time regardless of what the hunter was doing unless the hunter wax DX or xawm lol. With this meta we can finally see some survivors brains at work like trying different builds, being on your A game with your kite, broken widows or flywheel used correctly , rescues and so on. It has also incentived the buying power of survivors in IVL, they are able to really negotiate better contracts since it takes so much skill right now to play survivor. Overall, I feel like as the time passes Opera is going to be what Spider is rn and Ivy what DW is, it’s just gonna take some time, more nerfs or survivors meta switching like it happened to the other two.

[@DeepClue]

This!!! The same survivors/archetype were dominating for so long. Not only new builds can get showcased but also opera brought out gardener lawyer and a bit journalist, Ivy and Opera together brought out FO, Ivy forced people to look for alternatives to seer or anti or batter. Goatman is now forcing us to think differently about how we kite since transition has been meta for so long. Survivors like dancer, perfumer, professor are seeing more use now.

[@Rivər]

I always try to say this but I can never really get my point across properly and then people tell me to stop talking because i'm low rank. So i'm glad there's a whole video I can paste a link to whenever the topic comes up now!

[@cupidliaa]

this is the only math i understand

[@T0x1cology]

You tell em

[@robinontheground]

watching tourneys, yeah, even outside of IVL and without pulling out the statistics sheet it seems way more common for hunters to 3K than for survivors to 3 escape, and 4 escapes are so phenomenal when they do happen that they usually end up being the highlight matches (if the hunter didn't flop TOO horribly at least). i sort of come to expect hunters getting a draw or better and it feels like an upset when that doesn't happen (although i was honestly kind of surprised how high the moonlit Hunter WR was and how low the survivor WR was since i absolutely crash and burn on moonlit. now that i think about it hunters do win a lot on that map)

[@ZeusIDV]

Yeah, hopefully this sheds light when I say how I feel about the comp side of the game LOL

[@YaldabaothIDV]

I wonder why Zeus hates Hermit so much 🤔🤔🤔

[@ZeusIDV]

The man of the hour

[@venusgamingsd2933]

I find it really hard to get excited by tournament streams lately because theres only so many times i can watch an Ivy or Opera 4k match and not get bored. Persica's kite got so hyped (Deserved) because it was such a long kite against Hermit that it was a fun match to watch.

[@lokemis]

From what I get from this sheet isn't that the game is hunter sided, it is Opera/Ivy sided. Of course the map WR will be way higher for hunters when those 2 are the only ones picked, Opera alone has more matches that the other hunters combined (not including Ivy). Take those 2 out of the equation and the only hunters that have WR above 1/4 (above the red line) are Ann and Gamekeeper with BonBon at 1/4. What it tells us is that NetEase should stop buffing survivors and nerf those two hunters until they stop being played as much Edit: Opera is the one that has more matches than the others combined, not Ivy

[@T0x1cology]

Me personally.. I don’t think bro watches tourney or ever been in high tier 🗿

[@lokemis]

@@T0x1cology Is that a question for me? If it is, only because you lack probability analysis doesn't mean I'm wrong since you don't understand it. Saying that the game is hunter sided when basically only 2 hunters out of 30+ are dominating is stupidity because tourney and rank wise, if these 2 are banned you have a really high change of at least drawing the match. Even in some maps (like Eversleeping) by the 90+ matches (and I'll analyze the 200+ matches) Ivy only has won 6 out of the 15 matches and 2 out of the 6 were done by N1e (best Ivy) and 1 by DonX (By many best hunter of the world) and out of the loses 1 was a 4 escape. Also the only match Ivy appeared in Church till now she lost at 1 kill. From the looks of it Opera skews the data so much that hunter WR by the looks of it are 10%+ more than the norm (and we need to also consider that Opera nerf wasn't implemented in this tourney yet).

[@T0x1cology]

@@lokemis I do understand, and idk why you’re saying drawing is a bad thing, in rank, hunters will always get more star points than the survivors, even if the hunter losses the match in some cases, either way like.. winning or drawing as a hunter, you rank up wayyy faster than survivors, look at the leaderboard 💀💀, and as for tourney, the survivors can’t win as of rn so

[@lokemis]

@@T0x1cology Can't win? Clearly you haven't seen IVL then. By the 131 games, when removing Opera and Ivy, there has been 50 games and out of them 11 surv won 12 hunter won and 27 draws which means that without Ivy and Opera the game is balanced (in tourney). by map count hunter win/Draw/Loss of the 50 games (no Opera nor Ivy): Eversleeping: 3/8/3 Chinatown: 3/11/0 Church: 1/2/1 Leos: 1/1/2 Lakeside: 2/3/4 Arms: 2/2/1 Moonlit: 0/0/0 Hospital: 0/0/0 And why bring points won in rank? This is tourney only where actually good players play and not the trash randoms in all the ranks who barely kite 45s appear if you don't play 4 man VC. And btw, points wise it is usually because hunters need to play against survivors at same or higher tier in high ranks and 1 to 2 tiers higher in the low tiers (Maybe actually reading point distribution should help you)

[@ZeusIDV]

@lokemis I can see what you are saying, but you cant just remove the two best hunters in the game and then say well if we take them away it balanced, regardless of how high the skew is, they are still hunters who add to the statistic.

[@jaedearest]

i missed you zeus pls never get run over by idv tram

[@LITTLEDOOFUS]

My head is hurting by all these numbers but i do not fear because zeus is cooking like always. 😭😭

[@Higuybyee]

Gods that’s a lot of numbers Zeus u are big brain 🧠

[@user-in8ic5rf4l]

Moonlit being the most hunter sided map is crazy ngl. It arguably has the best map gimmick for survivors(coaster)

[@sitatuva]

you’re so right don’t let them silence u

[@Kaito-1412.]

Yalda jumpscare at 2 am, this video is too scary

[@auntiequarian_idv]

Yalda like YALDABAOTH? omgggg nice vid btw

[@RexZBeq]

In all fairness the game has to be hunter sided( at least for tournaments rank would have to be a different topic) but at the same time its kinda ignoring that hunters get a shitload of bans like yeah current tournaments show off how powerful the meta hunters are but thats also in do to how many bans hunters get to mitigate the powerful amount of survivors, like I was saying before the game kind of has to be hunter sided in tournaments because it would not be interesting to watch a survivor 3-4 cipher kite the hunter most matches from the hunters pov, granted they do need to do a better job at making the hunters not be unbeatable also just a hard challenge to beat cuz it has to be a challenge for the survivors because its a 4 on 1 the 1 hunter player needs a wider impact if the 4 players had a wider impact it would just not be fun to watch or even play And like I said its a different topic for ranked because its not always 100% of the time meta v meta while tournaments are so that would have to be a different convo

[@joses2152]

Where's RIPPER? TB to the first few COA using Ripper 😢😢 I miss my boi

[@pedrosantana4752]

Interesting discussion, I don't think this data as useful as it might seem tho, I dont have any doubt about the fact that opera, ivy and even ann are overpowered. But the fact that these op hunters exist, directly influences how other hunters perform. For example with this data, Bonbon has a pretty positive wr, but we have to remember that Bonbon is mostly played to garantee ties. If the survs want to win a match against Bonbon, they most likely will play risky and obviously that can lead to a loss, which boosts Bonbon's wr in a way that doesn't represent how strong the character really is. I think the problem w this idea of saying the game is surv or hunter sided is the disparity between hunters. If you are playing a hunter that isn't opera, ivy, ann or goat (which is a relevant part pf the player base), it makes sense to think the game is surv sided. I know this video is entirely about tournament data, but obviously this discussions is between ranked players, not tournament professionals.

[@ZeusIDV]

Well I mean thats why I preface that this strictly for tournament and nothing more. As well being a draw hunter doesnt make the game any less surv sided since being able to farm draws is still good

[@T0x1cology]

Zeus, draw hunters are bad bro, drop it already, there’s only 2 meta hunters rn sadly 😞😞

[@pedrosantana4752]

@@ZeusIDV that wasn't my point, I agree ties are great. What I tried to say is that with your data, it seems like bonbon is a hunter with great winning potential, when in fact he isn't. The only reason why he has such a positive win rate in tournaments, is bc overpowered hunters lay the ground for him to be played in scenarios where survivors go all or nothing for a win. That's the case for Bonbon and for other non priority picks in tournaments.

[@ZeusIDV]

@@pedrosantana4752 Yes, thats why he is good? He doesnt need to stress over needing things because the ground work is laid, putting more pressure on the survivors. Thats how tourneys work, a hunter that can finish the ground work successfully and then some doesnt dimish what that hunter still can do and has done.

[@pedrosantana4752]

@@ZeusIDV I'm just trying to say this data add to this discussion as much as you'd think. Tournament data alone isn't nearly enough to cover this topic. The examples I gave were to say just that, I'm not trying to discuss how tournaments work or to say that tying is bad.

[@whomst855]

Hold on, let me get my popcorn while I check out the comment section.

[@ktullanuxlogst3041]

Wouldn't call a "hunter side" if 51% of the matches relly on Ivy and Opera, becaue they're really strong in any cases I wouldn't accept "the worst thing they can get is a tie", because in tournaments what is expected from hunters like ann, bq, geisha is to tie, no winning, then the game changer will be the mistakes done by survivors

[@ZeusIDV]

Excusing the statistic by saying its only opera and ivy doesnt change the fact that they add to statistic. Its not a what if, its the fact.

[@kenjakusssss]

Hawk tuah!

[@YourmomIoI]

Oh you’re that type of person.

[@femdrakeidv]

Shut up

[@Awvdawg]

So basically we’re cooked 🤝🙂

[@SparklyTwinkleT0es]

how di you think alice should be buffed to become tournament viable?

[@ZeusIDV]

Imma be real I have no clue, she feels like she needs a rework

[@SparklyTwinkleT0es]

@@ZeusIDV it’s too bad that every archetype of hunter counters her chip hunters speed demons everyone except a few low tier hunters which even then if the illusion is used on a bad pallet you can just go around it

[@sonotnana]

2:33 yalda>>

[@ZeusIDV]

Yalda a goat

[@lilyiisz]

Identity v is hunter sided 🔥🔥

[@DonnaWilliams-p6w]

Lukas Neck

[@vkeibkei]

ive been waiting for people to wake up and admit the game is hunter sided rn

[@leoothtp]

ok buddy we get it idv is hunter sided in tournaments ok

[@ZeusIDV]

Most people do not get it

[@kinari4488]

Sorry

[@ZeusIDV]

Why are you apologizing?

[@femdrakeidv]

Are you pregnant

[@ZeusIDV]

No.

[@EsLuchino]

imagine saying this game is hunter sided nice bait if you werent baiting then ig youre just-

[@ZeusIDV]

Cuz it is, watch the video.