If the Patriots trade down, what are the odds they hit on BOTH WR and OT? | Next Pats

If the Patriots DON’T take a QB at No. 3, could they trade back and draft a tackle and WR? @PhilAPerry breaks it all down. Also, what does it take to have a successful offensive line in the NFL? We talk with former Patriots’ linemen Ross Tucker and Marshall Newhouse to get their opinions on what matters most.
2:00-If the Patriots trade down, what are the odds they hit on OT and WR?
17:00-Marshall Newhouse interview
29:00-Ross Tucker on being teammates with Alex Van Pelt
40:30-Prototypical Patriot fits at OT in the draft
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[@mikechan231]

You have the #3 pick in a deep QB class. Take the QB and plan for the future. Next year get the other pieces. Through the draft and FA. You don’t have a team unless you have a QB.

[@mbrennan27]

Maybe someone drop to 2nd rd

[@455zzz]

This QB class is not deep you basically have 3 great Quaterbacks at the top CW,JD,DM after that your looking at future backups unless they go to the perfect situation

[@e-girlthot1104]

You go by scouting when you say great. This class is deep. Could potentially have 6 first rounders.

[@TC99190]

Just stay at 3 and take the Damn QB.

[@CRiiPFACE1100]

Ong

[@HLDN1989]

Not taking a QB at 3 is absolute insanity. You take the QB you like - Maye or Daniels - and then build around them to suit their skill set. Not the other way round. The offense is hugely different if you have Maye (traditional drop back gunslinger type), or Daniels (Lamar Jackson dual threat type).

[@dustinhuckabee8208]

I’d rather sacrifice a future 1st next year by drafting a QB at 3 Trade back in to the 1st and pickup a WR and then use the rest of the draft to focus on spots like LT and LB/Edge

[@youngpower24]

I really like this plan. It’s basically close to what the Texans did and now they’re competitive. Getting Daniels and Nabors would be a wet dream for us.

[@hadoukevl1143]

This needs to be explored more. I have a mock trading back into the top 5 for a QB while still talking MHJ at 3 and it gives the Pats a young "weaponized' offense

[@davidgroth26]

Think about if BB had just kept Shaq Mason, Ted Karras and Jacoby and sign DHop, that alone would have been huge

[@jonathanumana7423]

Makes me think about even if you hit. Like the Browns did with LT Joe Thomas. It didn’t help them win even though they had the best LT for years

[@terrencegibbons3351]

Great insightful interview. Former players have tons of knowledge.

[@digitaltwizzlers8065]

Phil, you're my guy and I think Curren is a clown - but I think you could definitely get a WR and tackle in this draft and get a project QB to sit behind Brisset for a year while we get another good pick next year

[@gtp1172]

Great guests

[@Wild-Wally]

Andrew Luck was supposed to be a generational "sure thing" QB. He certainly was a fabulous quarterback, no doubt. But look what happened to his career, as the Colts ignored the importance of having a strong OL to protect him. Look how bad the Pats have been with their crappy OL recently, especially the blubbery head-case, Trent Brown. Build the OL first! Go,Pats!

[@randomflagg7331]

yup! they must have Joe Alt with first pick and continue taking offensive tackles until the 4th round regardless of any other talents that drop. they must stay focused and fix this problem once and for all.. and if Michael penix is available in RD 4. take him there. But drafting a QB with the top pick is like hiring a race car driver for a vehicle that hasn't been invented yet.

[@coreycallahan4474]

Get the QB if he’s there especially if it’s Maye and he’s going to sit for most of next year. Easier to get a tackle than a QB

[@e-girlthot1104]

You are a troll​@@randomflagg7331

[@e-girlthot1104]

Lucky situation is outlier to say the least. And a sad one to use at that

[@JoshuaZ.64]

The Colts had the chance to build around Luck for many years and they wasted it. A smarter team wont do that

[@pete6705]

Taking a QB at 3 would be pretty much the only thing that would get me really excited about next season. If they pass on QB, and just ride with Brissett, ticket prices at Gillette will be pretty low for the 2024 season

[@chrisdougherty4402]

Even trading down, you still have to take a QB somewhere along the line. Take a flyer at least.

[@e-girlthot1104]

Thank you for bringing the ACTUAL facts. So many people love when the Pats suck cause you can write more articles. Not wanting to take a QB is INSANE as if Tackle and WR are guaranteed that late in 1st lol

[@blowfishes]

If I were in the position of the Patriots, I would trade the #3 for #11, #23, and a 1st in 2025. I would look at who is at who is available at #8 and potentially look to trade up from #11 if someone is dropping. I would genuinely consider Penix Jr. at #23 and probably a WR in round 2. Also remember that if four QBs go in the top 10, then at 11 you are assured of getting a top 7 non-QB from this draft.

[@littlenugs9942]

Who here thinks Atlanta would want to trade up to get Harrison? If we go to 8 to get a starting left tackle im on board! Get the QB next year... We may be able to set up our draft for the next 2 seasons. Who here wouldn't like a total of 3, or 4 first round picks in the next two years? This year is a mesh year in my eyes. They just signed there core players for the next 3 yrs.. tell me your thought Phil

[@petergrant9259]

If the Pats don't take Daniels or Maye they would be crazy... both could be players for 10 years or more.

[@alesitercrimson24]

If its a deep class at receiver and tackle....then why are we not taking a QB at 3 and then the next two picks a receiver and tackle? LOL. The argument makes no sense to trade down

[@TedTucholski]

Phil, I just ran several drafts using the PFF mock draft sim. Here are the results, at 11 - QB JJ McCarthey or T Olu Fashanu and at 23 WR Brain Thomas or T Tyler Guyton. There are several excellent Lineman picks and WR Adonai Mitchell is an option at 23. However if the Pats could get Drake Maye at 3 I might take him. His pro day change my mind. If at 3 it's JD, then I would trade down.

[@peteypete1216]

What's insane is people that say trade down like getting an extra pick is going to get all their needs and say get a qb next year for a qb class you have no idea instead of taking one this year , makes no sense

[@erikthredd2628]

NE has had very good success drafting Offensive linemen early in drafts (rounds 1-2) over the past 25 years and none of those great picks below were top 10 picks. 1999 Damien Woody 1st (great pick) 2000 Adrian Klemm 2nd (Meh) 2001 Matt Light 2nd (great pick) 2005 Logan Mankins 1st (great pick) 2009 Sebastian Vollmer 2nd (great pick) 2011 Nate Solder 1st (great pick) 2018 Isaiah Wynn 1st (serviceable when not injured) 2022 Cole Strange 1st (TBD but has looked decent before injury) They had 18 straight seasons where they had a stud at left tackle in Matt Light or Nate Solder and after that one year where BB got Trent Brown to play like an All-Pro on the way to beating the Rams in the SB,its been nothing but lackluster play at that spot. you can't really build a complete Oline without checking off that position first. I'm not worried about their potential OL pick as much as I am about adding some good WRs. Count me in the group that wants to see that trade back with the Vikings for #11/#23/2025 1st and anything more is gravy. #11 would be one of the tackles in 1)Fashanu 2)Fautanu or 3)Fuaga who should all be there at that time. #23 its one of the top wideouts in 1)Brian Thomas Jr 2)Adonai Mitchell or 3)Xavier Legette depending on who is available. #34 I'd go with another Wr in 1)Keon Coleman 2)Ladd McConkey or 3)Troy Franklin depending on who is available. #68 would be back to the OL with on of these Guards in 1)Zak Zinter 2)Chistain Haynes or 3)Dominick Puni #103 I'd go either Wr or TE in 1)Luke McCaffrey 2)TE Cade Stover or 3)TE Ben Sinnott. If those five drafts picks turned into Fashanu/Mitchell/Coleman/Haynes/McCaffrey then no one would be worrying about htting on a OT & WR. Fashanu & Haynes would be our starting LT/LG tandem for the forseeable future or Haynes could slide over to RG when Strange heals up. Adonai Mitchell is 6-2/205lb and ran a 4.34/40. Keon Coleman is even bigger just not as fast. McCaffrey is also big & fast and could line up anywhere on the line. They could then grab a developmental QB with one of their later picks or go into the 2025 draft holding multiple 1sts to try finding your guy. Everyone is so against passing on the QB at 3 because of the unknown of who may be available in the draft or free agency if they waited but there WILL be more good young QBs in next years draft. Chances are NE will be picking in the top 10 again anyways so they should have another hgih draft pick to work with.

[@Drew_F1]

Take Maye then trade up into the first to get receiver then trade up into the second to get tackle

[@oldernu1250]

Phil what are the comparative percentages of drafting a good (B or better) player in the top 10 and/or first round for QB, OT, WR? Teams should understant that conviction in a player is still subject to statistical reality. As Dirty Harry said, "How lucky do you feel?"

[@naplesme]

We get it. The draft is not an exact science. The Packers took Tony Bosellii number 2 in the draft back in the 80's. He was supposed to be a generational talent tackle, and he turned out to be a giant turd. We get David Andrews at center. He's not even drafted, and he turns out to be great for us. Yes, in a perfect world. We would trade back get the quarterback, the wide receiver, and the tackle we need. And then we'd be off and running, but we're going to have to sacrifice something along the way. Hopefully, if they trade back, they pick the right guys. If they don't trade back, then they pick the right guy.

[@youtubeconnollyfamily]

We are not trading down because if we do, we will see Drake and Jaden killing it for the next 10 years while we’re still looking for our next franchise QB

[@PatrickvanOs-nv8fj]

What if Maye is gone with pick #3, i would trade down with the Giants. Get a OT in the first and WR with #34

[@ericraboin5918]

Regarding OT, with four quarterbacks in the first five selections of this year, you'll likely get someone who would be a "top ten" tackle in most draft years.

[@glamourassassins]

The fact is there's no one-size-fits-all solution here when it comes to a decision between either taking a QB at 3 or trading down. It has to do with who's on the board at 3, whether the Pats believe in the QBs available to them, what offer(s) they're getting for that pick, their assessments of other players at target positions (e.g. OT, WR) that might be available later, and so on. Not a criticism since it's fun to talk about these different possibilities, but just saying that there are a lot of variables in play that might influence whatever decisions the Pats eventually make in the draft.

[@mikeramos6272]

Take the QB now! U can always trade down next year. They're gonna suck this year anyways which would leave them with another high draft pick again. Get the QB this year. Sit him. Trade down next year to get more impact players.

[@evelynroadmedia9415]

"If the Patriots trade down, what are the odds they hit on BOTH WR and OT?" Well if we rewind to 1 week to 4 weeks ago, in which you constantly mentioned that the OT and WR are loaded so much that you still get qualities OT and WR in round three, not a problem.

[@455zzz]

The odds would be the exact same as taking a chance on a QB at 3 just take the Quaterback smh

[@dwayneroberts6616]

Phil please ask Tom this. If the Patriots build a team and then stick a QB in it. Are you not asking the QB to play to the teams talents and system? Isn't that the BB system? If you really want to develop a QB don't you build your team around the strengths of your future franchise QB? This draft is strong in receivers Phil your wrong their are excellent receivers in second we could get and O linemen in the third. Your forgetting the rookie class from last year they will be better from experience. This team is not in as bad of shape as people think. They didn't get blown out despite having noodle arm Jones and the slowest recievers on the planet 😂

[@kimberlymccrossin3694]

He actually said there’s not a lot of good x wrs after rd 1 , plenty of good wrs with spots we have people already slot and inside. We need the x now.

[@fernandocantu4019]

Just because tu trafe back does not mean u cant trade back up.... trade down with vikings and get 3 1st round picks... get the 11, 23, and 1st next yr... then use the 11 pick and the 2nd rd pick this yr to trade back upbinto the top 10 to get odunze then with the 23rd pick draft penix jr and u got ure qb and wr1 in one day...

[@JackB.Nimble999]

I would take Penix or Nix with the 11th. They are plenty good for QB in the NFL, and may end up better then Maye/McCarthy.

[@jonathanwatson5818]

Take the QB at #3 (Drake Maye/Jayden Daniels) and take Jordan Morgan (LT) or Ladd McConkey (WR) at #34. That or trade back into the 1st to snag Brian Thomas Jr (WR) or JC Latham/Tyler Guyton (OT).

[@flyingelvis8850]

My 2024 Pat's Draft: 1/3 QB Drake Maye 6'4 230 2/34 OT Kingsley Suamataia 6'4.5 326, Arm 34.2, Hand 10.6 3/68 WR Jalen McMillan 6'1" 197 4.47 Arm 32, Hand 10. 4/104 WR Jermaine Burton 6'0" 196 Arm 31, Hand 10. Or OT Roger Rosengarten 6'5" 308, Arm 33.5, Hand 9.6.

[@hadoukevl1143]

I like newhouse, bring him back on the regular

[@quiggs111]

from 40 to 100 is loaded with players. you need to trade back and get as many players as possible in this range. Even some players up to 125. If someone is trading up for a quarterback.. they are gonna stink and so will we next year.. get those 1st round picks for next year..

[@kershleycharles9990]

He said Marshall Newhouse and immediately a host of lowlights popped up in my brain. He was SO ASSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

[@ecruz8497]

If you wanna take a receiver you don’t go back past 6 and you take MHJ or Nabers if available

[@allysondominguez975]

If u dont trade u can get your future QB and wide receiver

[@instacomclub7099]

Take the guy.... qb is the most important. You need a great qb. Mac wasnt.

[@user-ql1eo3ij2t]

Last deep wr class was prob with aj brown, Dk, deebo class

[@amstel5468]

If they trade back im becoming a Jets fan.. ☕️

[@rbdvs67]

Good luck with that. The pain of the last few years will continue for decades as a jets fan. lol

[@merc1248]

Would help to know how successful these linemen were/are?

[@cameronburson1397]

This is so dumb. “Surround your future QB with pieces so they can be successful” is so shortsighted. They have a draft every year. If you can’t hit on a game changing receiver or tackle this year, then do it next year. Burrow got Chase after his rookie season. Allen got Diggs a couple years in. Herbert walked into a talented roster and hasn’t won anything. If they think they have the guy, take the guy. Your odds of landing an impact WR or OT next year anywhere between 5-15 (which is likely where they’ll end up) is far greater than landing a QB.

[@mutdd3954]

almost all the nfl evidence suggests that you shouldn't draft a qb into a bad situation. What's also important is good coaching and being able to sit behind a veteran (most good qbs have done this). we don't know if the pats have good coaching. It's more shortsighted to draft a qb right now because you want to win so bad. There have been many good college prospects who don't perform well at the next level because of the situation they were brought into. just look at the 2021 qb class. I'm not even fully against taking a qb but you calling the idea of trading back "dumb" is incredibly ignorant

[@John-ms6bv]

Those comparison don’t support your argument. Burrow was injured and pretty pedestrian his first season (in which he still had Tee Higgins and (albeit an aging) AJ Green). Josh Allen’s completion percentage was sub-60 percent until he got Diggs.

[@jet0819]

@@John-ms6bvTee Higgins was drafted the top of round 2 the same year Burrow was.

[@shnc27]

@@mutdd3954the qb is going to sit, the situation this coming season does not matter. You have another draft and free agency to get the qb some help before he ever sees the field.

[@mutdd3954]

@@shnc27 I think that’s a little bit of a waste if ur gonna sit him. Might as well trade back, get a bunch of picks and trade back up next year with the first round pick ur gonna acquire this year plus ur 2026 first round pick to get Quinn ewers or sanders.

[@garybird7474]

No way I would trade down to 11.

[@allenmills9449]

If they trade down I am done with them

[@littlenugs9942]

How many 1st round draft picks, at the QB position, have had a successful career, and to walk in to what we just saw Mac have to deal with. I dont see it working! Everyones worried about qb, wr. I dont get it. What is it people can't understand about - we DONT have an offensive line that can protect him. PERIOD! Get a tackle and a blocking TE please!!!

[@shnc27]

Draft the quarterback at 3 because they have a higher ceiling that anyone projected to come out next year. Draft a tackle at 34. Sit the qb all year and get another top ten pick for a receiver next year. Now you have a second round tackle in his second year and two first round skill players entering the offense at the same time. No brainer.

[@littlenugs9942]

@@shnc27 I agree to disagree! But that's ok. My issue is sitting your top pick for a year. I'd rather play the player to let him get the experience, but to be able to do that he needs to be protected. I get what your saying. Also trading back possibly gives them (2) #1 picks in next season draft. Not only that say for example we trade spots with the Giants. We would only be moving back 2 spots, we would still be able to get a starting OLT./ WR/QB. More lottery tickets the better imo

[@randomflagg7331]

I know right. if they have a great offensive line. the rest is easy to fix. The old redskins proved that if you have an elite offensive line it almost doesn't matter who your QB is. I'd pick Joe Alt.

[@littlenugs9942]

@@randomflagg7331 yeah he's a big boy!

[@kimberlymccrossin3694]

@@littlenugs9942not really more tickets with lower odds basically equals out to me

[@JackB.Nimble999]

You would be more ready if you traded down and took Penix or Nix at 11 and used the other picks for talent to build around him.

[@455zzz]

Makes no sense lol the whole trading down and getting better is a lie there are 0 “gurrantees” in the Draft

[@stephenmartin6430]

We are an organization that is rebuilding because of an inability to draft and develop offensive talent. Let this new front office and coaching staff work to get the best QB at #3. Let's save the razzle-dazzle for some time in the future when these guys have proven that they can field an offense that can score 20 plus points a game in today's NFL. If we do any razzle-dazzle, lets trade some defensive players to acquire offensive help. We saw last year what a top tier defense and a third world offense produces. The days of "3 yards and a cloud of dust" are over (sadly).

[@noone1704]

I'd rather miss on a QB than a WR the Packers don't have a 1st round receiver on the roster. And if you actually succeeded in building a teem you're not getting a top 10 pick in the next draft that might have just 2 QB's worth anything.

[@jinavl]

maye is gonna be a guy

[@michaelaubrey1978]

I have a huuuuge feeling Caleb Williams is going to bust. You can just see that train coming with all of the overhype, “sure thing,” “generational,” “elite,” etc labels.

[@dannyraposo8100]

Ok take the quarterback. Then draft pieces. To go along with the quarterback. Simple as that.

[@Vermonster23]

I think it is a difficult time to be a patriots fan. I honestly have no idea what the right answer is, but I don’t like the idea of trading out on the third pic. I think the patriots are going to get greedy and try to be cuteand we’re just gonna end up watching a crap team for the next 10 years. On the upside, I’ll have three hours on a Sunday that I can do other things…

[@johnhaversack1634]

You think its difficult now just wait till the season...the worst offense in football is coming to a stadium near you...2-15/3-14 season...the Pats have failed in coaching on field/FA/ draft is the last resort..another failed draft...Pats are Carolina for the next 3-5 years.

[@Vermonster23]

@@johnhaversack1634 that is an unfortunate truth. The only recourse as a fan is not too engage with the product. It is sad to see this we’re organization go the way it’s going.

[@Gabbagool345]

The fact you’d stop watching and being a fan because you think we’re gonna suck shows how little of a fan you are. I’m sure you’re young and spoiled as all you’ve seen is us winning. Rebuilds take time, and you seem to have little to no patience. The amount of spoiled babies in these comments is crazy.

[@sharkmedia5969]

The odds are better than hitting on a QB

[@coreycallahan4474]

And if you never hit on a QB it won’t matter. Look at SF

[@awall422]

High the odds are very high. just do it.

[@garynapolitano1270]

Luke McCaffery Vs “Pop” Douglas ?

[@3dpooltile829]

I'm Ok with Maye. Not so much any of the others at 3.

[@ericfein9851]

Tom is still butt hurt because Mac Jones left. He was all in on the patriots drafting Mac Jones’s but is hesitant on Drake Maye? Makes no sense

[@williamveasey6801]

Pick 11 is the dead spot for wideouts. Harrison, Nabers and Odunze gone. The next group of 6 or so probably starts around pick 17-40. So a tackle more likely at pick 11 unless they move down again. GO DRAKE MAYE .

[@kimberlymccrossin3694]

Actually one exception id take Brian Thomas jr. I like him better than Odunze. Then either penix jr or best ot available. If we trade down.

[@stephenknodel6202]

Even Jesus can't throw a touchdown from his back. Got to have a line.

[@jinavl]

maye ,Daniels or jj

[@jaydubbs3902]

This team is a sinking ship. Worst player talent in NFL. Worst coaching in NFL. This is a disaster! ICEBERG DEAD AHEAD!

[@blowfishes]

And yet players like Christian Darrisaw is a great player and not in the top 10.

[@robertlyman7245]

look at Zay flowers stats and Demario Douglas, from a far inferior offense, not far off

[@_FMSL_]

Take daniels or maye at 3 and move up to 5 for mhj or naybers

[@blowfishes]

How?

[@shnc27]

If it were that easy everyone would do it

[@harolddottin10]

Are you a magician hombre?

[@instacomclub7099]

You need the qb You can win without top tier receivers. But you need the qb to make everyone around better. Adams dont win. Tyreek dont win. Jefferson dont win. Who wins? The top qbs. they al have had sub par receivers and still manage to consistenly win 10 to 11 games a year.

[@ricocappucci4940]

Side with you on D. Maye and believe that drafting a QB when you have the opportunity is essential to success. You use history and facts so I have to side with you. I’m personally not as sold on Mr Curran, was it strange that he was two inches away from Coach Mayo’s right hand, Nooo. When you try to sell trading down, saving money and selling out the fans you get all of the benefits.

[@Nikhil-gq6wx]

Take JJ McCarthy at 3 have him learn with this team we will probably be drafting in the top ten next year and build around him in 2025

[@455zzz]

There will be riots in the streets if they draft JJ mcarthy lol

[@3dpooltile829]

I think that if they do pick Maye, I think that he should sit behind Brissett and Zappe for the season and learn. The coaching should ignore the crowd and think of the way Mahomes was brought on.

[@allysondominguez975]

This idea of trading down Tommy get of the pipe crack is bad tommy wolf is blind if can see Drake Maye is the future

[@johnhaversack1634]

With this group of misfit toys...its 1 in a 1000 they just draft the positions let alone hit on them...1 in 1 mil.

[@youngpower24]

Curran forgets that of all the holes he points to, he leaves out the biggest hole of all. Quarterback! Pick 3 is designed by god to fill that need, which makes Tom a Satanist, Phil!

[@LittleTiimmyVr]

I would trade the 3rd the 34th and a 1st next year to move up one spot to take Drake Maye!!! I truly believe he has what it takes to be the best QB in the league in the next 5 years and if that’s the case we should do everything possible to get him!!!!!!!

[@Danielspacex]

Another poop year of Patriots football it looks like but we get our guy, great....

[@JMartComedy]

Why would we want a QB with a totally AWFUL roster? We literally have 5-7 players on the entire team that probably are secured starters. Anyone that thinks a QB is >> than 3-4 potential day 1 starters is watching too much ESPN and playing too much Madden. Patriots have to trade back to avoid another 3 years of Mac Jones 2.0. The only issue with trading back is = Who has what would be accepted? Vikings and AZ only teams with 2 1st Round Picks. Would NE do it for later picks and 2025 value? I don't know...but I know trading back will allow the Patriots to select the best player at almost any position if they wish. I know OT and WR are clear priorities, but a Bowers or Chop or Dejean or Verse? Why not? With how bad this squad is, it's almost impossible to screw up this draft. If they really want a QB, take him later. Nix is probably the most seasoned and there are plenty of guys available after the big 4. At least add to the entire squad...otherwise the kid is going to suck and get annihilated.

[@kimberlymccrossin3694]

I disagree there’s no guarantee you’ll hit even on those lower picks. And now your drafting even lower with less chance of hitting. And if u draft defense that no offense is dumb to me. Because now you traded down just to have the same needs smh. No thx

[@jamesfontes9292]

They earned the 3rd pick because they stink. Talent better at e than 23 unless you get lucky

[@CRiiPFACE1100]

I literally hate this show these have to be some of the dumbest guys I ever met

[@marway99]

IF WE GET DRAKE MAYE OR JAYDEN DANIELS MAKE SURE WE GOT 2 TALENTED WR, FASTEST RB, AND FASTEST TE. AND O-LINE. AND WILL BE OK.

[@johncarroll792]

Pick 11 could yield Rome Odunze (WR) or Olu Fashanu/Taliese Fuaga (OL) and pick 23 could yield Michael Penix (QB), Brian Thomas Jr/Adonai Mitchell/Keon Coleman (WR) or Troy Fataunu/JC Latham/Jackson Powers-Johnson (OL). I'd be completely happy with any combination of these players ASSUMING the yield on the trade includes a future 1st round pick.