If You Can Accept Magic You Can Accept Heroes With Disabilities

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[@Astr0C0w]

Why are her legs so muscular if they don't work

[@TheStarcleaver]

Also why is she in a modern wheelchair?

[@l0ker507]

Did *too* much leg day

[@younasdar5572]

​@@TheStarcleaver It's not medieval fantasy, it's the world after they implement communism. She can't get guns and even the wood for the bow and arrow cost a fortune, but of course wheelchairs are made for free in the work camps.

[@Sydra.]

If you can accept magic then you can accept a woman in a wheelchair with muscular legs.

[@panzer00]

​@Sydra. But that is illogical

[@teejaynumber13]

"Her legs are very muscular for not working!" I guess we have to accept the existence of insurance fraud in a medieval setting too...

[@dercooney]

medieval florida

[@jonathanwells223]

this topic got even more unpleasant real fucking fast

[@AbyssalManta]

This comment wins the Internet

[@V4Now]

​@@AbyssalMantaHunchback of Notre Dame Gypsies say "hi".

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Well. Remember these people use "realism" as a excuse to make things boring.

[@trevorp8124]

>Muscular atrophied legs

[@Bluestlark]

I mean they're so musucular they look dried...

[@MrKhaos0001]

If they really wanted to make a point, a picture of Hyakkymaru from Dororo would actually hit the point. But then she would have to recognize that things like that already exist, it's just them that are incapable of making anything good.

[@vladsikorsky7931]

They must have used magic for pumping them leggs that hard. Why didn't they use magic to un-paralyse themselves?

[@Krysnha]

As soon as i see that image i was going to said that

[@Valoric]

@@trevorp8124 maybe they are atrophied. it’s just that her legs were previously indistinguishable from the hulk.

[@alexalexander1772]

I’m a disabled vet. None of my characters in anything are cripples. That’s kinda the point. I spend all my real time crippled.

[@chilomine839]

And fantasy erases the limitations forced on us by reality. Why should we HAVE to deal with them in fantasy if we don't have to?

[@Jonkin715]

Exactly. 99% of the time in a traditional story, a character has a disability for narrative purposes. Stuff like this just seems...stupid.

[@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp]

​@@chilomine839 because the first thing that goes in a failing economy is entertainment, so the only people working in entertainment are people who think this is a good idea or people afraid of losing their job by saying this is not a good idea.

[@alexalexander1772]

I think the closest I ever did was during a deus ex play thru I specifically chose a poison filtration or something cause I lost a kidney in the Army so it was like my little nod to it.

[@neverstopschweiking]

On the other hand, you have to admit representation of disabled people in fantasy is not that bad and is actually very historically accurate. Take Ivar the boneless, king Baldwin or king John of Bohemia.

[@supermanlw]

Doing them squats! Her legs are immaculate for not working

[@Artifex_Prudens]

because its AI generated

[@Badookum]

No, no, no! You dont get it, she used magic to make her legs stronk! Do not ask why she doesnt use magic to fix them...

[@Maskof7eyes2]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw this.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Dont think, just accept. 👍

[@SterileNeutrino]

Her legs may be moving on their own

[@ShadowRulah]

Totally backwards. The entire point is that you accept magic exists and then think about all the ways it makes the world different. This is why you gatekeep.

[@SUPREMELEGEND]

good explanation.

[@doombybbr]

Also magic has FUCKING RULES, it doesn't instantly mean the barbarian can fistfight the dragon while in a wheelchair - he would instead use a very expensive cape that gives him a magical fly speed, why would he use a FUCKING WHEELCHAIR!?

[@hariman7727]

​@@doombybbrexactly this. A disabled character with something like a birth defect would likely become a wizard / artificer who mixed constructs that replaces his legs by carrying him around and giving him minions to fight with him. Or a magical exoskeleton that does the work for him. Just porting over wheelchairs into the setting is lazy. That's the biggest problem.

[@alganhar1]

Well something to consider. One of the greatest minds in human history, certainly the greatest mind in several centuries, was paraplegic and had to speak through a machine. A man who suffered from early onset Motor Neurone Disease, yet a man who completely changed how we look at modern Theoretical Physics. If that is possible in a world WITHOUT magic, what is possible in a world WITH magic... Because here is the problem, you people are all thinking of reasons why disabled people CANNOT be heroes, not one of you are thinking about how application of magic could help them to BE heroes... And the only reason why you are thinking in that one dimensional manner is because you are biased AGAINST the idea from the outset.... Let me point out to that man again, Stephen Hawking, who despite his disabilities has left a legacy as one of the finest scientists the human race has EVER had.... What can any of you able bodied folks claim? And who are YOU to say what may and may not be possible in a world where there is actually magic? Maybe you should open your minds and perhaps think on how magic could in fact compensate for disabilities. No one said it had to be easy.... Nothing in life ever is...

[@hresghk]

​@@doombybbrwhy you pair barbarian with magic is a bit mismatch

[@Neil.02]

The worst part is it could look so much cooler, considering it's magical. (like tree roots spider legs, a golem mount/throne, even eldritch legs the list goes on) But as i've said before, DEI is the death of creativity.

[@Trehlas]

A dude using a golem like an exosuit would be one of the coolest things ever.

[@jonathanwells223]

@@Trehlas Half-Golems are a thing if you dig deep enough into 3rd edition

[@housewilma4904]

@@Trehlas or heck imagine a druid cursed with paralysis by a demon using a suit of living vines as a exomuscle suit to move around.

[@defeqel6537]

Witch Hat Atelier actually has magical "wheel chairs" and such

[@M4dM4n96]

The spider legs all have wheelchairs too

[@badgamemaster]

Wizard: I am just going to float or make a golem-suit. Cleric: I restore her legs...

[@MrNickPresley]

The Greater chair cushion of floating disk +2. Why roll around in a chair when you can soar.. at a height no greater than five feet?

[@haku8135]

If you're so wealthy you can afford to make a MODERN WHEEL CHAIR in a world so full of magic, surely you can afford to get a cleric to cast a spell to fix your legs. In Baldur's Gate 3 there's literally a character that was paralyzed because of a deal she made with a Hag, and you can cast a second level spell and instantly fix her legs as a Cleric or use your Paladin healing to fix them. It's easy to do. For fuck's sake.

[@MrNickPresley]

@@haku8135 You’d figure a curse put on you by a hag would be harder to break. Must be a pretty lousy hag if a level two cleric can come in and show them up like that.

[@haku8135]

@@MrNickPresley It wasn't like a REAL curse, and she wasn't actively making like a HAG deal. She was disguised as just a kindly old woman, the tiefling girl wanted to be stronger, and she got a potion to do that not knowing the woman was a hag. She even warned her that it'd come with side effects. You can find the hag's lair later on and the PROPER curses can't just be undone, not even by a much higher level character. You've gotta kill the Hag in order to end the real curses. She doesn't stay dead though. It's a pretty fucking fun enemy actually, that whole plotline is good. Baldur's Gate 3 is a good game, go play that, not this muscular wheel chair woman. At the very least she's using a bow and not a fucking dagger.

[@pontusvongeijer1240]

If I were forced to play in a group with someone like this Id play a character that had been cursed with exessive bigotry by an evil lich.

[@dandare9055]

HOLY H! She has muscles that DO NOT EXIST on legs she DOES NOT USE! Talk about being offensive to disabled people. This is plain mockery for me.

[@Jaxvidstar]

Could it work if the character just recently been disabled?

[@thefallenfaith1986]

The fact that its a modern day wheelchair is the icing on the cake.

[@dandare9055]

@@Jaxvidstar Only in Baki universe considering how those muscles look. But it would have to be less than week ago. I did had complex leg injury this year (1st time, getting old), long story short: even after week you literally loose all muscle definition and a lot of muscle mass if you literally cannot use Your leg to walk at all.

[@dandare9055]

@@thefallenfaith1986 True XD The pic makes no sense on so many levels it is meme worthy

[@_Vengeance_]

Ah, but you see, that is the problem: those muscles that don't exist are working against the regular muscles resulting in canceling each other out! For example, whenever she tries to lift a leg, other muscles in her leg pull her leg down simultaneously, resulting in no movement! This is also why her legs are so muscular, even though her legs don't move an inch she can still work out her muscles this way! Now that design is some galaxy brain right there!

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Why stoo at wheel chairs? Whats the limiting principle? If magic is so easy to accept, why not a 1965 Ford F100 Twin I-Beam with a 460 Police Interceptor?

[@xenogorwraithblade2538]

Right? And fuck magic, wheres my minigun?

[@gampie13]

dont give me flashbacks to when I DM'd for a min-maxing power gamer group, that where all doing their masters in different engineering fields... The absurd power scaling and WMD created in that campaign, along with the magi-tecnological hights of an arms race that occurred between nations, it's horror and high jinx fun beyond understanding

[@Nobody-df4is]

Don't give them ideas. But hey, if they want to make their campaign boring asf, idk.

[@wwiiinplastic4712]

@@gampie13 Why not mix in the other franchises and let my cleric exchange gold for a star destroyer painted in my god's colors? I can pray for the gift of astronavigation.

[@kielbasamage]

@@gampie13forgive me, but reading that they were all engineers made me grin evilly.

[@warlok363]

Her worst nemesis is a rust monster. Or stairs.

[@pcachu]

Her partymates call her Claptrap.

[@kathrineici9811]

Or an unpaved path

[@elocfreidon]

Heat metal!

[@balasaashti3146]

Goblin, I have the high ground now!

[@MyAramil]

Sand, such as in deserts, dunes, beaches, kua-toa lairs, also mud forests would be a no go unless they are paved. mountains would be unwheelable for you, Ships would be a no go for you unless you locked the wheels to the deck. water would be a no go. same with lava. basically all dungeons would also be impassible for you as well. As well in combat all it takes is someone just strong enough to tip them out of the chair

[@TheZombiesReanimated]

"You can accept dragons, elves and talking trees, but you can't accept a 2021 BMW 5 series 530i with optional heated seating. Why are you so biggoted?" - A meme that's been around for years but is somehow still relevant.

[@michaelsorensen7567]

More like "YOU can accept dragons, elves, and talking trees, but not the fact that there are thousands of not MILLIONS of ways to deal with that better than a wheelchair for a fantasy setting"

[@zxyatiywariii8]

They loathe logic, even the internal logic of a consistent world. "Logic is white supremacy."

[@GoblinKing117]

@@michaelsorensen7567 A fantasy setting does allow wheelchairs to exist if implemented in a believable way, said fantasy setting also allows other options depending on the type of fantasy and the extent of it's relevant systems. Could use specialized golems, magic hover pillows, robotic limbs, specialized exo-skeletons, healing magic, levitation magic, etc. and all before touching anything that's just a straight up wheelchair.

[@michaelsorensen7567]

@@GoblinKing117 "if implemented in a believable way" is the part I've got serious issue with. Given the plethora of objectively better solutions, ESPECIALLY given the known dangers of adventuring, it's just not believable. Realistically, any combat roll against a wheelchair user would necessarily have advantage, because they can EITHER use their weapon, OR move, but not both. It takes an action to stow or draw a weapon, right? So they can't action attack, action stow, then use their hands to move the chair. Since they're completely unable to move with a drawn weapon, they're MUCH more likely to be hit. You could try and circumvent that by being a bare handed combatant, but you're not really gonna have reach at that point. A 3' sword in a 3' arm has 5' of reach, in part because all the moving around in the fight means your useable area where you can effectively get a strike in is reduced. Take away the 3' sword... You basically have to grapple to get a melee strike in. And how can you beat a contested acrobatics check IN A WHEELCHAIR?! ALL of this goes away with ANY magical conveyance, let alone mounted combat rules. Worst case, ABSOLUTELY worst case, you just reskin a centaur with a steampunk lower half "chair" and you've got your disabled but capable hero. The wheel and the chair aesthetics make NO sense in any scenario magical enough to be fantasy. I'd much rather be a wolf rider paralyzed from the legs down than a wheelchair bound incompetent.

[@mikerainbow11]

@@michaelsorensen7567 Right? What are these people expecting, OSHA inspectors checking for wheelchair availability in Lich Lairs?

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

1995: "We need the new warriors to appear as powerful as possible." 2024: "We need wheelchair warriors."

[@adamuadamu5081]

My headcannon is that someone is selling water from Fukushima as drinking water. I can't explain US today otherwise.

[@RusticRonnie]

@@adamuadamu5081that would make Japan have issue… maybe Flint.

[@neverstopschweiking]

The most feared warrior in British history was a disabled Viking who had to be carriedon a shield. In other nations, disabled warriors were common and praised as well. King John of Bohemia was an absolute badass, old man who was blind, probably not even able to walk that well, yet he is known for being a true knight until his death. Charging into the enemy lines and stopping their advance, thus saving thousands of allied soldiers and the life of his son.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

@neverstopschweiking Don't be this person. You don't have to defend stupid ideas by using historic data which may or may not be true...

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

@neverstopschweiking There is a blind kid who played football in America. He played for the whole season. Needless to say, he contributed nothing to the team, and in actuality, he took away another player's position who could have contributed the team. This is what happens.

[@stroodlepup]

ah yes, modern looking wheelchair in a fantasy setting. omegawow

[@jeremyrichard2722]

Hey, in the old movie "Ator the Fighting Eagle" the hero somehow made an aluminum hang glider.... Mystery Science Theater 3000 even made a big deal about it when they riffed the movie. :) All this means is that we're regressing from classic high fantasy, to utter schlock... Perhaps we'll soon see a whole sourcebook based on the movie "She" covering how to do really classy, post-apocolyptic fantasy... or rules for combat roller derby in a sword and sorcery environment.

[@mozzarellamaniac6300]

omegaLUL

[@noonenowhere877]

Doesn’t even match the characters armour. They could have at least made it look like it came from the same culture as the discount Wonder Women armour.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

In a world where healing magic exists, disabilities should not.

[@mgancarzjr]

They can heal spinal injuries and correct defects. They choose not to. (This is not a pro-wheelchair argument. It's a critique of a society that can cure spinal injuries *WITH COMMON MAGIC* but chooses not to.)

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Like the one above me said...they did not wanted to be healed.

[@catman9222]

I mean... the poors can be disabled.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

That depends on the setting. We have to consider the genre, the level of magic, how it works, and how much of it can it heal? We must be thorough so we can counter there every question and strawman

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

Skeleton Solider

[@DruuzilTechGames]

It's not that her legs don't work, it's that they're so sore from all those squats that she's temporarily wheelchair-bound.

[@jonathanwells223]

oh if only

[@jackhazardous4008]

She rolled a nat 20 to seduce the dragon

[@Quickdrawingartist]

​@@jackhazardous4008Clearly, not the Red Dragon.

[@Draugo]

How is it possible that Terry Pratchett managed to make a senile wheelchair riding wizard amazing in the 90's and modern designers are only capable of reproducing the most boring design time after time.

[@emergencita9472]

Because Terry had talent.

[@tharrold14]

A pratchett fan! He wrote satire that modern companies think of as serious

[@65firered]

Well you see, he actually thought about it and these people don't actually think.

[@jonathanwells223]

Pratchett's world treats the gods like a barkeep treats people who are still there at dawn, absolutely zero healing magic and any magic in existence operates on equivalent exchange. So a wheelchair could make sense.

[@TheUplate]

Because Greater Restoration didn't exist on the Discworld and Terry was a really good author

[@EasyThere]

I had an amputation of my lower leg and nerve complications preventing me from getting a prosthetic. I have been stuck in a chair or on crutches for 4+ years because of Canadian healthcare. When I play a game I want to run, fly and could give a sh!t about representation. I already get the best parking. I get prime seats at concerts. Last time I went to Metallica I parked next to their tour bus. People are always nice and helpful when I am out and about. If you are one of those people you kick ass and are appreciated.

[@purpleguy319]

Let me ask you, if you lived in a world of magic with your current condition, would you ask a cleric/mage/druid to regrow your leg (even if it comes with a cost)?

[@calluxdoaron1903]

@@purpleguy319 of course he would. Also OP, do you have mechanical prosthesis? I heard there are some. Even basic bladerunner prosthetic is great for mobility. Also I somewhat remember that there are electronic prosthetics that don't need neural connections and rely on gyroscopes and sensors to adjust feet to the surface, bend the knee, etc.

[@niscaokyblue8857]

​@@purpleguy319 based on that a regenerate spell should cost around 10-22k gp and the average income being about 1.8-2k, we can extrapolate that to afford the treatment we have to pay around 5/13 times the average yearly income lets say 80k$. Makes somewhat between 400k$ and 1.04M$ in additional expenses.

[@hariman7727]

​@@calluxdoaron1903Canadian Healthcare was mentioned. That system isn't going to pay for a proper prosthetic... Sadly.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

​@@hariman7727Yes and that's exactly why I'm grateful we don't have a Canadian health system here in the US. . . if I'd had to wait as long as the vast majority Canadians have to wait for medical treatment, I would've died when I was 18.

[@WH40KHero]

In any sensible world, trying to fight a dragon while sitting in a wheelchair is a one way ticket to the afterlife. Ergo, any sensible hero who has such a disability would first seek a remedy before throwing him- or herself headfirst into such danger, because last time i checked people aren't stupid! At least not stupid enough to take risks like that on a whim. Ergo, Heroes in wheelchairs are an idiotic idea to begin with and a sorry excuse for an attempt at pandering.

[@ahoramazda6864]

As for me, the main problem lies in the fact that they do not understand the meaning of escapism. Even in realistic settings, people don't want to see all the ins and outs of the real world. Imagine if, before the start of GTA, we would have been shown difficult teenagers whose parents ended up in prison or shot on the streets due to crime. This is reality, but it doesn't suit the tone of the game. As well as showing the victims of real wars before the start of some shooter, such as Call of Duty. People don’t want to see this not because they are snowflakes, but because they have enough s№!7 in real life

[@M4dM4n96]

Frodo climbing up Mount Doom in a wheelchair does sound pretty funny though

[@Xplora213]

@@M4dM4n96he did not. Sam carried him. And that’s what it would look like.

[@mryellow6918]

Edward from full metal alchemist is a great cripple.

[@treelineresearch3387]

@@Xplora213 Sam did wheelchair parkour up the mountain trials bike style while carrying Frodo. This is Amazon canon.

[@ahoramazda6864]

I suggest wokies play Crusader Kings 2 - there your character can not only be crippled, but even be in a coma. Isn't this a celebration of progress? When the greatest empire is ruled by someone who can't wipe himself... And I'm not talking about Brandon

[@kathrineici9811]

How DARE you! Lord Glitterhoof is the savior of the realm!

[@DarkCT]

@@kathrineici9811 All hail Glitterhoof!

[@AngryPug76]

I think you described the emperor in Warcraft too.

[@kyriss12]

@@AngryPug76 Pretty sure the god emperor is more of an icon than a leader. Plus being comatose isn’t really much of a limitation when your psycher abilities are so vast you can make a tangible astral projection halfway across the galaxy and pop thousands of heads with a mere thought.

[@gerhardswanepoel3493]

The level in technology is the problem. My mind says that an iron age level magical world cannot produce a modern wheelchair.

[@Senbei01]

The bigger issue is that, in a world that has regenerative magic, and the ability to change reality via 'Wish' spells... A successful adventurer would have to CHOOSE to be in a wheelchair, rather than just paying to have their body healed or modified to function... or just buy some magic item that allows them to levitate about the place. Wheelchais would work in a setting like the old WFRP setting though, where healing magic is near non-existent, though.

[@Shiftinggers]

In a world where magic of all sorts exists why even have a standard modern wheelchair???? Like say you're a warlock. Why not, instead of a wheelchair, have a throne that spawns eldritch tentacles that moves it?

[@TheMechanicalCoder32]

Exactly this. Like, if the disability were in-character, like a magic disability that requires constant magical energy to hide, then it would make sense in a way.

[@Sukharno2121]

If wizards/artificers can make all sort of nonsense gadgets it would be possible to make a wheelchair. For me it's the fact that it would make the other players life more annoying. 99% of roads are mud, no accessibility in dungeons and imagine having to cross a forest or climb a montain having to carry a second character over most obstacles. You can make a character however you want, but then you can't camplain if the DM decides a slightly taller platdorm is all the villain needs to escape.

[@justachannel8600]

Why not? All they need is iron and rubber. The iron is trivial and for the rubber they only need to colonize the ebony kingdom. Then you create a lot of plantations and the ebonites can work them. Where's the problem?

[@murky1608]

“Accepting magic shouldn’t be easier than accepting disabilities in a fantasy setting.” Evil wizard: “I agree! Now accept that I cast heat metal on the wheelchair.”

[@oompalumpus699]

BBQ!

[@Phantomcrustacean]

The best part is that you can counter each of these arguments, simply asking what the setting is. High? Low? Grounded? Grimm dark? What’s established in the world? Do they have healing magic? How well does it work? Just bombard them with these questions and watch them spiral

[@dandare9055]

They tend to call it 'bigoted patriarchal gatekeeping'... yeah, I know

[@Super_Citizen_Paimon]

​@@dandare9055at this point, we might as well embrace it wholeheartedly.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

They don't know what any of the terms mean, they also wouldn't answer they'd just start calling you a bigot.

[@thefallenfaith1986]

​@@GenericProtagonist7That's when you thank them for calling you that, and explain how the new definition of the word is "someone with common sense".

[@TheBayzent]

The question is easier. "Does the setting have stairs?"

[@atraxian5881]

Good luck clumbing the evil wizard's tower with that. Or crossing a rope bridge or spelunking in a cave. Or escaping the dungeon when the guards take away your chair. If the hero can afford a magic wheelchair that allows for all that, then they can also afford magic strong enough to make them walk.

[@ComicGladiator]

I clumb my wizard's tower every day, except during November.

[@Alknix]

Well, obviously the evil wizard's tower would have ramp access! He might be evil, but he's not a complete monster after all!

[@christophermonteith2774]

True

[@Senkoau]

"So Emperor puppy kicker, can you share the secret of your rise to power?" "Of course, reporter lickspittle. You see I observed Lieutenant Disposable battle against the heroes and realized their most powerful warrior was in a wheelchair so I removed the ramps to my tower. Then I observed Major Useless and their battle in which it became obvious their wizard was blind so I bought a bunch of loud squaking parrots and released them outside my tower. Then when the heroes showed up and were stumped by their inability to enter and I just had an archer pick them off one by one."

[@edgarbm6407]

In a fantasy video game, I can heal myself instantly with potions. With that magic, why would anyone be in a wheelchair?

[@VaporWaveGamingVTuberCh]

Lmfao fantasy magic to cure broken legs

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@edgarbm6407 We have to consider the setting, do they have healing magic? How well does the magic work? What are the limits? These are the questions we need to ask to make sure they don’t catch us off guard

[@blade8741]

​@@Phantomcrustacean like I saw one guy say: "if someone tries to act disabled in my table, I simply make a wizard that pass by and regenerate all the disabilities for free and leaves." Its a roleplaying game, the answer is: shut up and play the game to have fun.

[@metaempiricist]

@@blade8741 Only an able bodied person would roleplay as a cripple. Then they'd give themselves all kinds of OP caveats. Nah. You're healed or you're out of the game. Choose one.

[@Become-Eggplant]

@@Phantomcrustacean Just sacrifice a couple of villagers to a Dark god, problem solved. You get your legs fixed, and have demonic powers. Its a win win, unless a hero decides to ruin everything.

[@Trehlas]

In D&D magic can heal any wound, can even fix death. But fix your legs? No siree.

[@jonathanwells223]

only way this would work is a Warlock is cursed by the gods themselves, but at that point he should have work-arounds, this doesn't happen at first level.

[@nerdicusdorkum2923]

Even then, there is magic that explicitly says it fixes amputated and crippled limbs. Regeneration. Granted the irony is that it's on the druid's spell list. Along with reincarnation that outright gives you a fresh new body.

[@Trehlas]

​@@jonathanwells223 Heal: Choose a creature that you can see within range. A surge of positive energy washes through the creature, causing it to regain 70 hit points. This spell also ends blindness, deafness, and any diseases affecting the target. This spell has no effect on constructs or undead. So this mamajama can cure 2 disabilities straight off the bat, knit close any wound you might have, regain the blood you have lost. Fix any organ that might have been injured. Get rid of that flu you were trying to get rid of... But it doesn't fix your legs? It's interesting how selective healing magic actually is... apparently.

[@Sylvine]

@@nerdicusdorkum2923 Well, for every spell and magic, there is some other BS magic or plot device that says: Nope. So You COULD have a scenario where it doesn't work. Cursed by the gods. Corrupted magic. Spiteful evil entity that actively counterspells any attempt to fix that one particular person. It can be done. But it's insanely stupid to focus on it and we all know why they do it.

[@niscaokyblue8857]

​@@nerdicusdorkum2923 regenerate is a 6th or 7th level spell, you can't pay someone to cast spells of 6th level or higher following adventure league rules, therefore you need to aquire a spell scroll, they are priced between 10-22k, which is translated to around 1-2M USD. Easy and affordable solution for everyone...😅

[@vardamirithor6590]

How can her legs be so muscular if they are not working?

[@RusticRonnie]

Who said the legs don’t work, they just prefer to sit

[@haku8135]

Her legs have muscles that don't even EXIST! But hey, FUCKING MAGIC THEREFORE WRITING DOESN'T MATTER!

[@jonathanwells223]

@@RusticRonnie If they prefer to sit, as someone who prefers to sit, your legs will *not* look like that

[@godknightomega]

​@@RusticRonnie Oh so they're not disabled, they're just lazy! Got it! +1 to the offensive to the people they claim to defend board.

[@beauwalker9820]

There are actually people who aren't disabled, but want to be now, or identify/pretend to be now. I am not kidding, there was a woman who rides around in a wheelchair, yet can go ski down slopes. There was also a woman who wanted to be blind and blinded herself. Being crippled or handicapped is not a trendy "identity," or unique "fun trait," this is very disrespectful to all people who are disabled, or handicapped.

[@bigneto95]

The worst part is that you can make interesting characters and stories including disabilities as plot points, but their superficial view on the topic makes people avoid it

[@ZgermanGuy.]

This And they will never Accept they just have no real Imagination or talent and just badly copy what others before them have Established in the various genres rather than build on it

[@An_Imperial_Guard.]

In a fantasy realistic combat situation, having an incurable disability will always make you a party hindrance. There are not exceptions.

[@Xplora213]

40K is a more realistic setting than 5E now. The game was supposed to be a terrifying journey into the unknown. The chair would not fit into many dungeon entrances. 🤦‍♂️

[@vgamedude9811]

Just like being a woman

[@passthegrits]

@@Xplora213 But the dungeon creation section of the DMG now states that all dungeon structures and "dungeon-like" adventure locations must be constructed with wheelchair accessible ramps and/or other handicapped accessible entrances, probably.

[@Xplora213]

@@passthegrits and every enterprising dungeon builder will put a single step at the entrance to thwart the wheeled hoards....

[@frustratedsquirrel]

Oh there are exceptions...what if I'm playing a necromancer who has the ability to transfer their own curses and impediments to nearby enemies?

[@Tyrian3k]

A: It doesn't make a lick of sense in a world with plentiful healing magic. B: Cripples *don't like being crippled,* so they generally don't want to play cripples in games. It's called *escapism* for a reason.

[@christophermonteith2774]

Yup. There could be a work around, but it would have to be very specific for them to be wheelchair bound, such as far less healing magic/ far weaker healing magic, and any magic tools being very expensive. Even then, this would be temporary, until it can be fixed, or a better tool can be used

[@Ashkihyena]

How about no!

[@RatchildUK]

If we can accept magic, we can accept there is healing magic that can cure disabilities rendering the whole point moot.

[@GarcherLun]

Or you know... there may not be such healing magic, or it may be too expensive/high level. You are not the one creating rules here.

[@RatchildUK]

@@GarcherLun Even if that were the case, an adventuring party would under no circumstance take a wheelchair bound person into their party. They would need constant help and would be dead in the first combat. It's ridiculous.

[@GarcherLun]

@@RatchildUK or maybe they wouldn't need any help, because [insert any fantasy reasoning]. Again, nobody has to follow YOUR rules just because you pulled them out of your ass.

[@doombybbr]

I can accept that the guy in the wheelchair will die to fireball, given that magic exists.

[@christophermonteith2774]

True

[@MindDell]

An answer to the quote of the thumbnail: No, I will not accept mediocre trash.

[@J0hnzie]

In a 5e oneshot a long time ago I rolled a high elven wizard who was *very, very* old. As in 'will probably crumple over at any moment' old. But since he was a talented wizard, he was able to compensate for his frailty with powerful spells, most especially ones which allowed him to shield himself without physical effort and evade encounters with an invisible hideaway. Since he couldnt get around very fast, I ended up working with the DM to allow him to have essentially a modified Tenser's Floating Disk that he'd sit on and ride around like a weak Magic Carpet between encounters. Pros: -Not a *wheelchair* -Can into STAIRS -Looks cool -Makes close enough sense in universe. Old-age frailty isn't something you just fix with a healing spell and call it a day. A broken spine literally is. Cons: -One spell slot

[@Snakedude4life]

Literally the modern design for wheelchairs. Actually, there’s no handbrakes. So wheelchair that can’t lock down? Perfect for someone that might need to stay still, while aiming a weapon maybe. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek!🇭🇰🇺🇸

[@PeterDanielBerg]

she propels herself with recoil

[@jonathanwells223]

@@PeterDanielBerg like a lobster?

[@calluxdoaron1903]

@@PeterDanielBerg *happy wheels theme starts playing*

[@nubbyboah]

One can make the argument that it takes very advanced and powerful healing magic to restore someone's ability to walk after being paralyzed, but at the same time one can make an equally strong argument that losing the ability to walk means you shouldn't be out adventuring. By this exact logic, children and the elderly should be on the front lines on combat

[@metaempiricist]

Look at my new character sheet guys, my magic wheelchair barbarian ignores the world of stairs and can levitate to the top of the necromancer's tower, and can over all terrain, and scale cliff sides...you're out of the game kyle.

[@TheBayzent]

Warforged are literal magic robots made from scratch, do you really think a wizard van't make some functional prosthetic legs? That shoot Fireballs at will? We are not talking about wheelchair bound peasants but wheelchair bound heroes...guys who are stacked.

[@haku8135]

Actually it only takes a single level 2 spell slot. One Lesser Restoration instantly fixes paralysis. A Paladin can do it without even spending a spell slot.

[@christran5069]

“Dear Gods, he’s a necromancer!” “No you ageists, my geriatric soldiers are just old as fk, hang on while they shamble over.”

[@doombybbr]

Actually, I would argue that given that magic exists - it is even MORE dangerous for someone who cannot walk to go adventuring. Cannot get out of the way of a fireball if you are bound to a wheelchair. Though the elderly may be good front lines if they are master wizards, kids if they signed a good enough warlock pact.

[@canaldecasta]

Each 4 months we get this same stupid argument. Im tired.

[@AdrianGrave]

been the case since GG1

[@Nobody-df4is]

Hey, they have to have something to criticize and attack you for no reason. Give them a break. You big ot.

[@M4dM4n96]

That's how they get you. They wear you down until you give up. And then they take the lot

[@Nobody-df4is]

@@M4dM4n96 Exactly. If they don't have any reason to attack you, they will create one.

[@canaldecasta]

@@M4dM4n96 each year a new generation of 14 year olds give their opinion on shit. That should be a federal crime

[@TheStarcleaver]

Well better hope the 50 level dungeon has wheelchair ramps, or the disabled person is stuck at the entrance. Or is the mage supposed to sacrifice one of their spell slots to levitate the wheelchair down every flight of stairs?

[@Baron_Wurst]

That's how inclusivity works.

[@Snyperwolf91]

Tbh , sacrifices are often needed to ensure our own survival . Even when the Wheelchair-PC must fight alone against 7 Wolves and few ogres . The Deadweights arent needed for an adventure .

[@jackhazardous4008]

Strength check from the fighter for ever staircase, make it a recurring bit

[@StackSnackies]

I mean, in a world of magic, wouldn't you just have a wizard magic away the disability?

[@Phantomcrustacean]

That depends on the setting, We have to keep in mind if they have healing magic or not and how well it works, and what it heals. We gotta be thorough because when you’re thorough, you can counter all their questions and watch them spurge out

[@StackSnackies]

Even without healing magic, something like enchanted leg armor, or magic pants which could also be used as a plot device later on.

[@glytchd]

​@@Phantomcrustacean okay then enchanted let Armour. It's like ppl are working so hard to find excuses.. INSTEAD OF JUST DOWNRIGHT LESS TIME IMAGING A KEWL MYSTICAL SOLUTION ETC. Like a freaking floating carpet even ffs!

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@glytchd Right, there are plenty of fun options to work around it, it just takes imagination which they thoroughly lack in

[@Become-Eggplant]

Or pray to some divine to cure you of your ailments and disabilities. Also sacrificing people to a Dark God, you get your legs back, and demonic powers. Win Win!

[@regiszeitlos970]

Heroes with disabilities are long accepted. Daredevil Anakin Skywalker Luke Skywalker Edward Elric/Alphonse Elric Ouma Shu Red-Haired Shanks Malenia Blade of Miquella and many more. But disabilities for the sake of disabilities check boxes will not be accepted.

[@jrconway3]

It also depends on the manner of the disability. In ALL of those cases, the disabilities are something they learn to overcome, and it isn't something that prevents them from being a hero. The inability to walk is a pretty big disability to overcome. It CAN happen, but it depends on specific circumstances. One example: Renegade from Ys 9: Monstrun Nox. In Ys 9, the "Monstrums" are basically alternate forms each of the protagonists can take. When wandering around the overworld, each character can either take their monstrum form or they are stuck in their normal human form. When in monstrum form, though, they can use special powers (and whenever using said powers they automatically swap to this form). Renegade's "normal" form, however, is disabled. He literally can't walk at all. As such, you can never control him in his normal human form. Instead, he always takes his "Monstrum" form and just puts on a disguise when walking around normally. Its also notable that even though he does have a wheelchair, its just a fairly ordinary wooden chair with wheels on it, its not some sort of "modern" wheelchair shoved into a medieval setting that looks out of place.

[@christophermonteith2774]

Agreed. Heck, joker ( massive effect) and Barbara Gordon are 2 great examples of wheelchair using heroes, but it still has the drawbacks and sensibility behind how they can do things. Professor Xavior is another good example. What's the one thing each of them can't do ( when wheelchair bound)? Adventure and do massive physical activity

[@khululyp]

Don't forget Guilty Gears Baiken, god I love Baiken

[@terracannon876]

Even magic aims for verisimilitude. Systems exist for magic with rules and regulations and costs and benefits (especially for hard magic, but even for soft magic), and these rules have to be followed or else it'd be "unrealistic." Magic would just be another reality in the fantasy world, like physics. Using magic as an example of "anything is possible, no rules needed" shows there is no understanding on how to write fantasy worlds.

[@metaempiricist]

Cope. Every medieval fantasy setting has healing magic or healing potions so effective its magical almost without fail. Only an able bodied person would want to roleplay in a wheelchair. People actually in wheelchairs don't fantasize about still being in them. Its just able bodied people larping as a cripple and pretending its representation.

[@badbuddha93]

Cope. Magic is an excuse to break phisics. Wizards use arcane math to break the universe in useful ways. Clerics ask the gods to bend the rules of the universe for them. A broken back is such a small problem to both. A wizard will invent new legs, and a cleric would restore them to perfect order. In a universe where there are mortal beings who can simply formulate a potion to fix greivous wounds or say a prayer and make an offering to restore a life, there is absolutely zero excuse for any kind of disability imposed by injury, and genetic disability is non-existant due to regular clerical healing magic for pregnant women literally anywhere that a cleric is in residence. Incurable disabilities would be like curses or punishments meted out by the gods as a sign that a person is evil or has broken holy laws/customs like being a cannibal or killing children or something.

[@doombybbr]

even terry pratchets diskworld with its anything goes magic system and bullshit reality warping logic(anything with a million to one odds automatically succeeds) - even that had things that could and could not be done

[@terracannon876]

@metaempiricist don't know if you're misunderstanding my point, but I was just saying that saying magic allows you to do anything is false, so saying that that is equivalent to being in a wheelchair "because anything goes" is false as well. Anything doesn't go when it comes to a fantasy magic system. Anyways, as you say, because magic exists, it will interact with "reality" in such a way that there's no "need" to have disabled immobile in a wheelchair unless they really want to. (but also, likely these are the same people who don't have any respect for how magic systems work, hence my comment.)

[@oompalumpus699]

​@@terracannon876 Your fault for posting a comment with a wishy-washy position. Don't use corpospeak in a public discussion. Make your position clear in your comments, that's the magic of truly open discussion.

[@Nionivek]

Remember when disabilities were disabilities and characters had to find ways around it often gaining new abilities in the process? Instead we get THESE bozos who might as well be perfectly abled for intents and purposes. . Magic makes sense... Disabilities not disabling someone doesn't.

[@christran5069]

Absolutely! My favorite example is the Avatar guy, of course he’s going to choose to be a Smurf, he gets to have functional legs again. Would have been way more interesting if he stayed himself and overcame his disability.

[@Snyperwolf91]

DM: "You approach the long and huge Stairs to the ruined temple of Disablus . " Wheelchair warrior : " Well .... looks like we need to cancle the quest . Its not wheelchair friendly ." DM : "You head back to the village because the physicly and mentally disabled warrior , ruins our fun ." * The whole group looking angry at the fun-destructive doofus * ALWAYS GATEKEEP !!!!

[@assymptoad4989]

How are the her muscular and she's in a wheel chair? Meaning she can't use her leg muscles.

[@williamdistefano5698]

If i had a player insisting on a disabled character in the campaign, I'd allow it... and all the positive and negative impacts that come with it. I mean, sure, it's worth at least a conversation. However, I am in NO way going to honey my campaign and the player should be prepared to reroll a new character sooner than later.

[@TheBayzent]

If I had a player insisting on playing a disabled character I would tell him to put INT and WIS at 3, like in the good old days.

[@OniGanon]

If I had an able bodied player insisting on a wheelchair bound character, the campaign would feature an inordinate amount of stairs, ladders, and charitable Cleric NPCs willing to heal serious conditions for free.

[@williamdistefano5698]

@OniGanon most handicapped people aren't going to live long out in the wilds. Darwin had a theory about it. Do you want your wheelchair bound elf archer? Good friggin luck vs. the hill giants throwing rocks and your lack of dodge!

[@debanydoombringer1385]

​​@@williamdistefano5698 We have skeletons of disabled people from before civilization. The first Neanderthal found was twisted from severe arthritis and was pretty old. It's why for awhile they thought that's what they looked like. Which means depending on the disability, they lived fairly normal lifespans. Edit: An injury that created an open wound was much more deadly than say arthritis, uneven limbs, or other such things. Obviously they wouldn't have a mate because no woman would want children like that.,

[@williamdistefano5698]

@debanydoombringer1385 i imagine these people were living in towns and cities rather than being chased across the swamps by trolls...

[@luce9]

The problem isn't even disabled charracters the problem is the wheelchair and lack of creativity you can have charracters that are blind deaf or can't walk but have powerfull magic or attributes they use to counterbalance the disability but here nope wheelchair

[@ZgermanGuy.]

Exactly also you could even have Something like this in a story IF its done right. For instance overwatch is over the top it has talking Gorilla a grim dark gunslinger and more if you had a wheelchair bound person in that setting no one would mind because it fits that universe. But if you expect me to accept people with dissabilitys in a tactic special ops team like in Rainbow six siege a game that is aiming for realism than you just dont get it

[@jrconway3]

Renegade from Ys 9 is a good example of a wheelchair bound protagonist. He's the sixth character to join the party. All characters in Ys 9 have a normal human form and a "Monstrum" form. For the rest of the party, they can take on their normal human form until they need to use their monstrum powers, and they do run around town pretty freely until they use their powers. For Renegade, he is wheelchair bound normally. (Its a wooden wheelchair as well, not some "modern" looking wheelchair.) He CAN, however, walk while in his Monstrum form. As such, when he's playable he just always stays in his Monstrum form.

[@coreytran7415]

how tf is her legs shredded if she's on a damn wheelchair. When I was on a wheelchair, my legs were pencils.

[@Stitchlii]

Explain how her legs muscles are so big? And i stopped watching Critical Role the moment a wheelchair bound tracker was introduced.

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

I stopped at the start of Season 2. It just got boring. Season 1 with Voc Machina was the only "real" home game.

[@Xahnel]

Because it's AI generated.

[@TheBayzent]

Because she used magic to buff her atrophied legs

[@Xplora213]

Wheelchair TRACKER? The only role in human history that required people to crawl around on the ground??????? Literally the only one. To get close to the tracks. Damn.

[@djmccullough9233]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Love to know how she got muscles like that in her legs, if she's in a wheelchair. Magic is awesome. why does she need the chair if theres magic?

[@Antiteshmis]

In a fantasy world, people would fix common disabilities.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@Antiteshmis That depends on what setting we’re talking about, and how well magic and by extension healing magic works. Make sure to cover all your bases so that all they can do is fail their arms and scream

[@Nionivek]

In some certain disabilities are still hard to fix or even expensive. Dungeons and Dragons, for example, you need access to Regeneration which is a high level spell with a hefty cost... outside what the usual peasant can heal.

[@Xahnel]

_Adventurers_ would fix common disabilities. Because adventurers have _resources._ These bastards are trying to conflate "disabled adventurer" with "disability" so they can wear disabilities as a cosmetic without being shamed. Shame them viciously. Be as spiteful and mean as they are to us about anything. Abuse them like it's your religion.

[@Antiteshmis]

@@Phantomcrustacean If you have a setting in which the disabled person cannot be healed / there cannot be work around for the wheelchair, there is simply no way said person would physically outcompete non disabled heros. You go back to modern world limitations.

[@TheBayzent]

Dungeons and Dragons has no dismemberment rules, and since a simple cure wounds spell is able to literally close down bleeding organ wounds (since you can use it to heal a character who is on deaths door) there is nothing saying it could not reattach a limb if you can find it. Regenerate is for when you need to regrow the limb from scratch.

[@scp2539]

if the best you can come up with in a fantasy world full of magic and golems is a wheelchair then your entire argument is invalid. also, just get healed. for someone to have a body like that they likely have enough money to afford a healing potion, cleric, or w/e is needed to solve the problem and even if no mortal can deal with it then you can ask one of the gods to do it with a shockingly high chance of them doing it.

[@catman9222]

Why is that wheelchair looking like they just stole it from a hospital here?

[@haku8135]

Because whoever drew that has literally no understanding of the terms Fantasy Realism Magic Medieval Or Intelligence.

[@KT-pv3kl]

@@haku8135 That wasn't drawn thats straight-up AI generated in case the additional bowstrings that vanish into nothingness around her arm didn't instantly give it away for you ...

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Fact check: false All the ones at hospitals look more worn than this one which has presumably been through all the rigamarole of adventuring, including acid and fireballs.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

the problem is said magic makes the need for wheelchairs completely obsolete

[@MitternachtssternXIII]

why is every fandomn these days full of woke tourist? in a world with magic there no disabilities

[@TheRixtah1]

>me magic user >disabled party member >*casts restoration*

[@BaldianOfIbelin]

How could someone in a wheelchair have such muscular legs?

[@libertyprime1614]

She can't read, and keep buying strength potions instead of healing potions.

[@BaldianOfIbelin]

@@libertyprime1614 well that sure explains why she is a Ranger and not a mage.

[@Pasakoye]

They were recently put in there. That or they are pulling a deception and not disabled. It is a [Wheelchair of Mighy Illusions]!

[@bren42069]

*magic*, bro

[@noonenowhere877]

@libertyprime1614 Ashame that 5e ensures everyone is literate in at least two languages. It’d be hilarious to play a character that keeps trying to fix a long term injury but is too stupid and illiterate to find the correct cure.

[@protagadditc8434]

I argue That it's hard to believe cause believability. In a world of say All forms if magic Ancient relics bazillion years ago And Those Capable summoning a minor Moon God That gives em The power of the night stats in a low cosmic scale And you mean to tell me a warrior paralyzed at the waist down And apparently nit even a Rookie cleric Heal their spine? These guys understand a world needs Clear rules right?

[@protagadditc8434]

Side note: I doubt most are against Those affected physically in a world with fantasy settings You need hard define rules in you're world and especially as one comment pointed out the type of fantasy setting you're going with

[@plumaDshinigami]

If you can accept magic, you can accept a world with no disabilities.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@plumaDshinigami yes, but also make sure you understand magic settings so that they can’t catch you offguard. Counter their claims by talking about what setting it is or the magic scaling, what are the limits, drawbacks, Is there even healing magic in the setting at all? Things like that

[@plumaDshinigami]

@@Phantomcrustacean The issue is that the logic these representation-starved narcissists try to spout falls on its head when you turn it around.

[@Xahnel]

​@@Phantomcrustacean Nah, just say "fuck you". There are only two types of settings: settings where you can easily gain access to magic/technology to heal, and settings too dangerous to allow a wheelchair bound person to adventure.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@Xahnel That works too, either way it ends with them losing their shit then you just sit back and you enjoy the show

[@Xahnel]

@@Phantomcrustacean besides, literally none of these tourists are playing anything but DnD 5e anyways.

[@charlie-qh2ll]

Why wouldn't the magic just correct the persons disabilities?

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@charlie-qh2ll It depends on what kind of magic you’re using in what setting, make sure you have good examples to point at so they can’t make holes in your argument

[@charlie-qh2ll]

@Phantomcrustacean I don't play the game. To me, magic is magic, meaning it doesn't depend on certain circumstances. If it depends on certain circumstances, then, to me, it can't be magic.

[@Trehlas]

@@Phantomcrustacean But any world where magic isn't powerful enough to fix the disability... Their argument doesn't make sense. Do you think dragons are going to start adding ramps to dungeons? Does the setting have some sort of flying/hovering magic. Better than a wheelchair. Does it have resurrection spells? They can fix death but not a spine? Does it have golems? Use a golem as an exosuit. Any world that doesn't have magic powerful enough to fix a disability... it would mean it doesn't make sense to have someone who is cripple in your party. They would basically be cannon fodder.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@Trehlas Exactly 👉 That’s the exact line of thought you should be thinking.

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@charlie-qh2ll Magic always has to have some level of rules. Otherwise you can solve everything and that would be boring, my point is to verbally corner them so that all they have left is to scream and shout and call you names, after that point you’ve won

[@Dragon555]

Imagine the face of a woke GM if an able bodied player asked to play a character in a magical wheelchair. Like it’s ROLEPLAYING not Mary-sueing, it’s not as if you’re supposed to just play yourself.

[@sparhawk2195]

As a GM I would make that guy's life miserable. Magic can tno effect the wheelchair in anyway if magic can't heal your legs. Mocked and bullied by the kids in town. Constantly berated by his fellow party memebers. Left behind in dungeons cause can't get the wheelchair through doors or over breaks in the floor. Can't outrun a pack of wolves that knock him over and eat his legs first. Just make his fantasy character's life a living hell.

[@psielemental]

Seriously, a wheelchair? A boring ass WHEELCHAIR??? If ANYTHING, she would ride a giant wolf ! A wyvern ! A goddamn mechaspidertron! Or even better yet, use the same goddamn magic to levitate, and or Fly ! ... and we are not even talking about transformations. Or, y know, healing magic.

[@mahro-wulf9947]

Magic suit of armor/prothesis

[@jrconway3]

I like it when systems put restrictions on things. And there's some things healing magic just CAN'T heal. Otherwise you've got a world of literal immortal Gods. There needs to be SOME restrictions on what magic can and cannot do. ...but in a fantasy setting, there's ALWAYS going to be a better option than merely a freaking wheelchair.

[@are3287]

Do these people understand that disabilities are bad?

[@suroguner]

I don't think they even understand how to make a good character that can adapt to their disability.

[@adrianrojas8725]

@@suroguner like a one armed swordsman trained with one arm

[@Phantomcrustacean]

It’s important to keep in their people that are just born with disabilities that don’t really mind. However, this is not the way to go about it

[@Channel-io4xu]

Disabilities are bad only when they aren't virtue signalling about them

[@Xahnel]

They want to wear the disabilities as a cosmetic. They think disabled people identify as disabled victims, and would not _instantly_ heal their disability if given the option. I have bad eyes, arthritus due to permanent injury, and hemophilia. If I could magic that all away, I would in a heartbeat.

[@manuhakala]

My problem is just that they always have modern looking wheelchairs in these pictures. They don't fit. Might as well have a hovering rocket power wheelchair because why not

[@ZgermanGuy.]

Or a magic carpet, or levitation magic or Anything that is creative, that actually takes the internal logic of that world into Account

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Would actually make more sense imo

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

I así myself...what is the obsession of progs with Wheelchair Warriors? Ah, i remember...feeling special just for existing.

[@Xahnel]

They want to wear disabilities as a cosmetic without being shamed for it. Shame them viciously.

[@OniGanon]

Wheelchairs and vitiligo. Of all the ailments that plague mankind, they fixate on these ones.

[@Flaeron1]

at this point it’s a fetish

[@QueenAleenaFan]

Ma'am fixing disability is like a 2nd level spell

[@blockerman3d266]

I must escape reality by bringing my real world with me. -No One Ever

[@BLB048]

"You can accept magic, but you can't accept a Dodge Ram 1500 4WD pickup with heated seats? BIGOT!"

[@mokadelic4037]

It's not about being ABLE (pun intended) to accept it... it's about we NOT WANTING it.

[@rustyshackleford1062]

You still have to establish narrative consistency ffs. Yeah in a world with telekinesis you can have a wheelchair bound farmer who propelled himself around the farm with his mind with a small army of farm tools hovering around him sowing seed and whatnot, but you have to do the work to make that make sense. If instead you just slap trans-surgery scars into a world where any mage could transform you into entirely different species for the right incentive however, it just doesn't make sense even if "magic" is the answer to how said surgeries could be performed in a medieval world.

[@yatarookayama8329]

0:15 But if there's magic in that universe then can cure anything , The END !

[@RyanG0899]

Yep😂

[@jackhazardous4008]

Have you ever rode a wheelchair on anything that isnt flat, manufactured and maintained concerete?

[@TheBetterManInBlack]

Ranger in a wheelchair? You ever actually walked through the woods? Nature isn't big on wheelchair ramps or access paths. ETA: D&D 3.5 was peak D&D.

[@CyberChud2077]

If you can accept wheelchair barbarians, you can accept that I do not accept them.

[@kazekamiha]

In a world of magic why wouldn't someone that is crippled *not* seek out some magic fix? I mean you could have them become an Armorer Artificer; making themselves self moving greaves to walk with. Or a Warlock who accepts a deal in return for his legs/spine being fixed. Or a Cleric who prayed to a god, was healed and so moved they took up the cloth.

[@RLHooper]

Fantasy means an escape from reality, this brings reality into the fantasy which is NOT why we play these games. These people want fantasy to be reality, so their self delusional activism is destroying the hobby. This is why I support gatekeeping the hobby from the worst of society, not the normies.

[@Smight78]

that image is most likely AI generated, bow has string leading to nowhere and chair has impossible geometry

[@013wolfwarrior]

wtf?! did she broke her spine yesterday, she should not have those leg muscles

[@kalicula7718]

In Elden Ring first-generation of albanurics had atrophied legs so they could not walk, so instead, they rode on wolf's while shooting bows. Imagine how stupid it would look if they came all wheelin' at you in modern wheelchairs.

[@Leo-iq9or]

lol, me getting my severed leg healed while glancing over at the wheelchair bound barbarian confused! WTF😂

[@hideshisface1886]

This is the same nonsense as this infamous "wheelchair wizard" picture. So let me get this straight. - you have warlocks who made pacts with eldritch monstrosities so life and death is just an abstract to them - you have mighty shapeshifting druids, who can also heal and summon biblical plagues - you have powerful wizards who have magical towers hidden in pocket dimensions, are immortal thanks to magical cloning and can wish away the very rules of reality - you have pious clerics who can bring the dead from the pile of ashes and summon the power of the very gods down upon their foes But nope... floppy legs gotta stay. And hell, on a god damn wheelchair of all things. I mean, you have a fantasy setting, so you do whatever you want, so maybe you want a hero after some traumatic events... BUT... - artificer with spired magitech walker or a golem - magic mounts - LEVITATION spell - being carried by familiars Instead you choose that stairs should be your greatest foe. That is the level of lack of imagination going beyond compulsively choosing a basic human fighter even. And that is kind of an achievement. Nobody sane denies the existence of disabled people in fantasy setting - after all, magical solution may not be available to everyone. BUT crippled adventurers? NOPE. You don't see legless firefighters going for the rescue now, do you? Or a soldier still on the frontline?

[@acetraker1988]

A Shadow Ban, really KZbin? TLDR: Point of fantasy to imagine being something you're not or can't be, this makes no logically sense. Magic makes logical sense in a fantasy setting, this is a false equivalence.

[@Nionivek]

So looking at this woman... What... disability does she have? She clearly isn't paralyzed, she has both of her legs, her legs are in good enough condition to keep up with exercise (so she doesn't suffer from, say, arthritis), and her back is A-OK. It feels like she is in a wheelchair for no real reason. . Yeah I'd much more easily accept that magic exists than her being disabled.

[@Danbotology]

Her disability is 'being a bit lazy'.

[@noonenowhere877]

Why would she need to have a muscled lower body as an archer and cripple? Also why does the wheelchair look like it’s from this century when she looks like some kind of Amazon? Surely the chair should be designed to blend in with her style?

[@pikminman13]

the entire point of a clever and creative power system is to find ways to circumvent problems, not fix them. he's not that strong compared to most of the characters in the story, but that wheelchair guy from hunter x hunter used his ability to circumvent his disability while still having it because he couldn't magically fix it.

[@Mrcharrio]

The only way that makes sense is if it is a spell putting them into the chair, or the chair itself is a cursed item. The character above has muscular legs, so it could be a spell. That would be the only way I could accept it.

[@thecripledgammer9106]

I've been paralyzed from birth, having handicap heroes and / or villains is insulting Professor X is the only exception. As a person of faith, I'm sorry that you were treated like that it isn't right no matter what someone believes

[@CowCommando]

Professor X being physically handicapped is offset by his mental gifts. In my mind, it's not so much a handicap as it is a balancing of the character, but to be honest, I only know the most surface level stuff about him. Besides, even Professor X got a hover chair.

[@thecripledgammer9106]

@CowCommando I agree to, I'm also in the same boat I don't know much about him either

[@defeqel6537]

IMO there is nothing wrong with having handicapped characters / heroes, as long as they fit the setting, and have abilities that offset the handicap. Professor X and Daredevil are easy enough examples, and in a magical setting I could come up with quite a few more, but what is presented in the video is not it...

[@thecripledgammer9106]

@defeqel6537 exactly it's fine it just needs to make sense, but this pandering crap needs to stop

[@thecripledgammer9106]

@@defeqel6537 Toph is one of my favorites

[@Elderberry_Shrub]

If you can accept Magic, you can accept that cripple-pandering is cringe AF

[@MaliciousCat]

Wheelchairs in a fantasy game is wrong. It destroys immersion of the world. Real world politics... They put a wheelchair character in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. It looked hella out of place.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Them: We're doing this for activist reasons in the real world Also them: Omg, you'll accept magic but not this?!

[@michaelsorensen7567]

We need a term for this kind of reverse meta gaming

[@shanpatrickbaker988]

"I cast uneven ground!" wheelchair hero loses. How can you effectively fight, if you can't go up the stairs?

[@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT]

Jesus christ

[@Zan_Jayna]

I am disabled and THE LAST thing I am looking for is to play as disabled game characters.

[@bobmcbobbob2391]

Roleplay vs self insert...the point of roleplay is to play a role, not yourself. But as usual with the narcissistic left EVERYTHING is about them.

[@Daredhnu]

How are that woman's legs so muscular if she's crippled? Her muscles would atrophy really quickly, and that's ignoring the fact that anyone who adventures would need to be some level of fit in order to make it, so any adventurer who can afford healing magic would get healed, those who couldn't afford healing magic would retire, only an idiot would choose to remain crippled in such a world.

[@chrisdanks6447]

I swear to god,what incredibly regarded universe did CERN throw us into ? Bad enough Bran the "woken" had a fecking wheelchair in got. Tired of this shit..if I was playing dnd I'd have a charmed troll or ogre n have my character on it's back...not a bloody manufactured wheelchair...

[@neiska25]

Anyone who has ever used a bow would know you don't pull with your arms, you pull with your back and shoulders...

[@kerravon4159]

That picture would have to be THE funniest thing I've ever seen. Anyone who stumbled across that in a fantasy setting would pee themselves laughing and rightly so. They didn't even bother to draw the wheelchair like it was made with medieval technology... rofl.

[@Pennywise12528]

The funny thing is that it actually isn't hard at all to make viable and (admittedly unusual but) interesting disabled characters that make sense in D&D. At least back in third edition/Pathfinder 1 when I was playing. The blind warrior archetype is always popular and there's a lot of stuff specifically to make that viable, for one. Hell, the most unique character concept I heard about involved the Bloatmage: A prestige class which linked spellcasting with body mass and led to wizards who could shoot off horrifyingly powerful spells, but were so morbidly obese they effectively didn't have a movement speed. It was something meant for NPC's in a specific module, but technically players could take it too. One guy went all-in and used Floating Disc -- a spell meant to act as a magical dolly to carry around heavy loot -- to sit on and move around with. Now what looks cooler: An archer in a modern day wheelchair while everything else around him is low-tech fantasy, or a huge blob of a wizard floating around on a giant destructo disc of his own making? I swear, some people have no imagination. At least have the Dwarves make your chair. They'll come up with some sort of all-terrain stone throne that doubles as a furnace.

[@Darkstar-se6wc]

Isn’t it nice that their fantasy world has the industrial capacity to produce a modern wheelchair?

[@dylives7667]

If I can't accept a black samurai during feudal Japan, you can bet I won't accept crippled heroes in a world where healing magic is a thing. As something temporary, maybe. But not being the default trait of the character.