If you think Ange is to blame, please watch this video....

[@OhSoSpurs]

If you enjoy our content and would like to help the show. Why not pass the pod and share it with a friend? We'd love to be a major voice but in a world of knee jerk negativity and click bait it's harder than ever to stand out when you stick to your values. COYS

[@michaelgallagher8544]

Well I enjoyed that, a sensible debate about a difficult situation. We should be supporting the manager and players not shouting insults. As you guys said a new manager is not going to change anything. Keep going Jim the videos are great.😊

[@garytemaiharoa3204]

Best Spur's channel on the net and with the best core panel of pundits by far , well done putting together a team like this that keeps fans grounded and emotion at a healthy level.We not gonna get anywhere changing our manager just cause we 15th rightnow, the crazy fixtures list with games every 3 or 4 days requires a deep squad and few injuries, to key players especially, so we certainly could do with some help in this transfer window.Keep up the good work guy's! 👍

[@kem6291]

Just wanted to come on I have joined the ohso Spurs community and have become a member I’m a season ticket holder and have been supporting this great club for over 50 years I’ve seen so much the great times and the low times this is just another moment in our history we will get through it! The thing that I struggle with the most at this time is the toxic and angry fans on social media the internal arguing! I only watch your great channel as it’s very balanced and non judgmental! I feel the need to support your good selves at this time as your channel is a bright light in these dark times! Look forward to connecting with you!

[@OhSoSpurs]

Hey Kem, it's great to meet you! I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years (Jim). I didn't get to experience the famous 90s and the brilliance of Glenn Hoddle but my uncle who has been a season ticket holder a similar amount of time as you keeps me grounded with the history of the club. I hope we can meet you for a beer before a game soon. Thank you for supporting us. Up the Spurs! Through thick and thin we love this club. COYS

[@glennmaillard9076]

Can only agree. The word ‘rational’ always comes to mind watching these lads. 👍

[@Chl03swish]

Thank you for your view. You are echoing my view point.

[@stagaz]

spot on

[@agnewwright754]

Spot on gents. Can't handle these fake supporters. They can't see the big picture. If you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, get out.

[@waynemuir5033]

The most balanced analysis of the Spurs current predicament that I have watched. Look at what has transpired at City just losing Rodri. Newcastle was in a similar if not quite as bad situation last season.

[@sof5930]

City have had more injuries than just Rodri. I wouldn't bet against them not finishing in a CL place. Newcastle did have a lot of injuries and still managed to finish in 7th. That would have been a European place if United didn't win the FA cup. Do you see Spurs salvaging a European spot this season?

[@ameladolnz7784]

@@sof5930 yup by winning a cup lol

[@TheA8lee]

Some of the smartest football fan discussion I've ever listened to! Subbed.

[@peterslegr9270]

I've just come over to this channel on a recommendation, it's so refreshing to hear intelligent conversation without the hysteria and vitriol that dominate most the channels I've just left. Thank you

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@peterslegr9270 Thanks Peter and welcome to OhSoSpurs 😊 COYS

[@jacobbarling]

Probably the best analysis I have heard. I am a first season Spurs fan based on Ange’s style…

[@perdani82]

Thanks for a great chat and analysis. I will refrain from making any half-baked analysis myself, and just embrace the pain of the current situation.

[@mahaishraja5449]

great chat guys , apologies in advance for the essay below , but i dont post as often as i like , so i have to get things out in one fell swoop. heres my list, 1 - when i try and predict a game of football and plug the data into my algorithm , i have a close look at the squad match ups , and the attribute advantage of each player in the squad and match day 16. attributes are things like creativity , attack, technical ability , defense , etc, and there are number of data sources in football that correlate closely with each other , so we dont get our measurements wrong its not a pretty picture for spurs. take the everton game . if i ignore the big names and reputations and just look at the player attributes, spurs had an attack advantage in son, kulu, madders and porro, but everton had a defensive advantage in their centerback and two of their mids. overall it was a slight advantage to everton , and my algorithm was predicting the most likely outcome everton by one goal . unfortunately , when i do this attribution test for spurs vs anybody in the league, we get to the conclusion that even against the teams below spurs right now , its very hard to see a clear advantage for spurs on game day , and against the teams above spurs presently , its a potential loss situation. so the loss to ipswitch, the draw with wolves at home , the loss to everton , is no surprise to me and my algorythm . other teams with less financing have used moneyball better than spurs romero makes a difference to this measurement , van der ven doesnt , but that could change with a good full season or two. bottom line , the current spurs squad is somewhere between 10 and 15th position based on squad strength and player attribution , significant investment is needed. 2 this ones on ange and the coaches . defensive organisation. when you watch a football game one of the best predictors of whos going to score more than the other team , is the amount of space and overloads you concede in the final defensive third . in the last 10 weeks or so , and come to think of it late last season , i have yet to watch a spurs game , where i didnt think the other team had 1 or 2 goals in them given the space spurs were conceding and how spurs were allowing themselves to be out numbered in around the 18 yard box . spurs had bodies , but in all the wrong places, the defensive coaches need to be replaced , becuase spurs are a loose disorganized rabble in defense . everton for instance were very organised and they defended the middle of the block very well , the outcome was inevitable , the other unintended consequence is spurs have to work harder to break down the opposition than the opposition has to do to break down spurs , so spurs run out of momentum after 60 minutes more often than not . there needs to be a change of mindset in ange and the coaches , and you have to fight fire with fire. if the opposition is making it hard to break them down because of their blocking patterns, spurs have to do likewise and rely on their strike weapons to make a difference at some point in the game with the more energy they have conserved . 3 the spurs press , and again this ones on ange and coaches, spurs wound back the press a hair or too against man c away , and liverpool in the cup , and look what happened. but then they decide to go charge of the light brigade against others and lose. moral of the story is everyone in the league is too good to get away with the full court press ange wants, and the rest of the league is good enough to find the outball through the press and cause hell for spurs. look at everton, moyes for once in his life decided to press someone, and it was spurs , but how he did it was instructive , it was a midfield press not a full court accept on a back pass . spurs do same in that game , and they win, because of their match winners. the big picture is the squad isnt good enough and thats on levy and the board , but the tactics have to change , or more embarrassing losses will follow romero vandeven, or no romero vander ven and thats on ange and the coaching staff. my algorithm is currently predicting 19 losses for spurs in the league this season, so 7 to go. just finding the right defensive mentor will change things alone. this is not a change of philosophy its tweaking things to remove the rough edges. the league is so tight, incremental improvements on the field will yield big outcomes in the league ladder, could say a heap more, but that will do for today, keep up the great work

[@KiwiSpursTV]

That might be one of the best and fairest comments summarising the underlying issues at spurs. Great job 👏🏼

[@kjoemack7013]

Podcast was excellent. In a thorough manner you pointed out the difference between genuine supporters and grandstand jockeys = fans. on its way 🙂

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks mate, welcome to the channel! COYS

[@paulbalchin1599]

Great Podcast. At last some very balanced comments. One thing I’d like to point out is Ang got his tactics wrong in first half at Everton , changed at half time & won second half 2-0. Not all bad. COYS

[@Kimoestate]

@@paulbalchin1599…and changed back to what they’d been doing all season. Mikey was awesome, very exciting for the future!

[@tomdavies8574]

Thankfully a podcast who takes everything in to account for their statements… great watch and listen

[@OhSoSpurs]

Cheers Tom. COYS

[@gregrobinson2394]

I cant remember a worst injury crisis in all the years i have followed Spurs. Feel sorry for Ange having to deal with it. Worried that no signings are coming in this window. I think the focus should be on the Liverpool game atm. Hopefully he will be able to get a decent team on the field.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree Greg, not much has fallen Anges way to give him an opportunity to show how good his methods can be. We have seen glimpses and they were magic.

[@Chl03swish]

OMG this podcast hit on the mark with Solanke. I have noticed when he was with Bournmouth.. his goals are from wing assists.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks for the support. COYS 🤍💙

[@robertburton7598]

That’s called playing to players strength.Unfortunately Ange does not do that he plays to his system regardless,who is in team .

[@lastpenny849]

@@robertburton7598 Brisbane Roar scored more goals from crosses than any other team, the crosses just aren't coming from the corner, they should be coming from around the box line. They have done this very well in general, the losses have come from a lack of intensity, not from a bad tactic. "Players in", should be the fan call, not Ange out. At least he has a vision and a philosophy that suits our club, Conte certainly didn't.

[@Chl03swish]

@@lastpenny849 exactly

[@Chl03swish]

@@robertburton7598 no that is not true. Solanke was never given the services by the wingers. They were never on time. The only one that can match the speed I think is Werner. And Johnson. But these guys are sometime bogged down by supporting other areas that are lacking.

[@hyponoise1829]

Talking about what Ange had at the start of his tenure it interesting when you look back at it, when he was first hired originally it was a 3 yr contract after a couple of weeks he was extended to 4yr. So was it Ange who went to the board and said something along these lines. If you want me to fully rebuild the playing squad we also need to rebuild the football & medical departments as well. Which is going to take about than 2-3 yrs to complete and bed in. When looking at the squad from the outside there were 6-7 players in the squad that I thought were going to be able to adapt to the Angeball system, unfortunately that has turned out there are only 3-4 players that have the skill set and attitude or mind set to play in my quick moving style of football that I play. I need another year on the contract If you want this to succeed in the long term vision I set out to you all in the interview process. I bring this up are your awesome podcast today in which you looked at the mid to long term problems at the club. Keep up the good work

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Hypo, it's important context for people to consider when reviewing the situation at Spurs! COYS

[@guv6862]

Loved this pod… measured reasonable, realistic expectations and awareness of where we are in our rebuild and applying context. Agree with most of what you all said. I really hope Levy sticks with Ange. I’m not in fear of relegation, i think my concern is the locker room having disruptors, as certain players realize they don’t fit the system but they like the wages and the environment. I can think of 6 off the top of my head. Romero, Maddison, Bissouma, Bentancursed, Porro and Vicario.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Guv. Agree the dressing room has too many of the wrong personalities, some you fear would down tools now things are tough. We need to sign some players of the right mindset. We know Ange values that. Finding them is the tough part. COYS

[@RichieB123]

Oh my days! A balanced, calm and healthy discussion going through our current situation. This is golden lads. Thank you

[@OhSoSpurs]

Welcome to the OSS express Richie COYS

[@enricobrik3074]

Agree with Si about Ange going to 3 at the back. Should have stuck to his formation. Won’t be repeating that, I suspect. A lesson in confirmation of his principles and approach.

[@ivanm9127]

You guy's make so much sense , your analysis is top notch . I stopped listening to we are Tottenham tv (they are just so toxic ) . And so much whining on Chris Cowlins channel is happening at the moment, its ridiculous. It's all pointing to Sacking Ange as the solution . I rate Ange , he knows what he is doing , but his like a boxer now fighting with cracked ribs.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Welcome to the channel mate. Thanks for taking the time to comment. We are tired of people using the club for self gain. Up the Spurs. COYS

[@fmarinosfromafar9512]

Haven't watched yet as I always have trouble watching, listening to, reading content during post-defeat misery, but still looking forward to this one.

[@OhSoSpurs]

It's ok, we are here for some therapy 🥲

[@GerardLaverty-v2x]

Thanks

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@GerardLaverty-v2x Thank you Gerard, kind of you ☺️. Appreciate you helping us maintain and grow the show. COYS

[@AndrewLeong]

So good to listen to a spurs pod with some mature and intelligent discussion.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Andrew 💙🤍

[@williamwebb5955]

Best spurs show I have seen in the last 6 months, well done guys, a good non bias show

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks William! Appreciate the words of support 💙🤍

[@danielbarker8839]

One of the best if not best podcasts out there for Spurs fans. As ever, and without access to the backroom, a lot of yours and others work is based upon supposition. My experience of key position employment is that deals are done well in advance of the general public knowing. On this basis, Ange was well acquainted with Scott Munn, so should we assume that the basis of your discussion, was already well considered by the 2 Aussies and hence Ange's current demeanor and his 5 year contract.

[@colinturner4158]

It’s the worst injury crisis I can remember in my 62 yrs of following spurs many key players long term

[@garyhobson1924]

Ange has strong convictions and beliefs, which have resulted in his success in various countries and leagues. This is something many Tottenham fans lack, so as soon as the team fails, they start blaming the board and manager. Wouldn’t it be nice if all the fans could stick it out during this rough patch and ignore the noise from the media and armchair managers alike?

[@dutchgrass]

with you all the way on that!

[@barneyhall2753]

If you go back and listen to the Lange interview at the beginning of the season, he specifically talks about how the club has decided on a culture and style it wants to present and how all recruitment, both players and managers, needs to fit that philosophy.

[@OhSoSpurs]

True! Hopefully we stick to that

[@twosheds2030]

Thanks

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thank you for supporting us ☺️ 💙🤍

[@twosheds2030]

@ thank you so much for your podcast. It is the most sensibly calm, analytical and intelligent Spurs content around. Please keep doing what you are doing because it is especially admirable in the mad world of social media

[@leek2934]

Just found your channel today .. thank good I’ve finally found a lvl headed channel

[@OhSoSpurs]

Welcome to OhSoSpurs! Nice dog btw. COYS

[@SpursDiehardsTTID]

Podcasters with a different agenda have tried to compare us with other teams who have had injuries and are doing better than us. With regards to Bournemouth, they have played less games. 9 in total at the time of this post, and their players have had longer rest periods between games. There are many variables as to where we find ourselves. Lack of squad investment in the summer, combined with the worst injury list in my 6.5 decades of following this Club. Besides that, players have been overplayed, tired, and in danger of picking up injuries. Tiredness goes hand-in-hand with onfield errors. It effects players speed of thought and their decision making, but a few signings could transform us. Believe. COYS.

[@enricobrik3074]

On Stu’s point about DL’s propensity regarding spending; I think he sees transfer fees as a capital investment - potentially recoverable - but high wages as excessive recurrent - lost or dead money. Not a defence, BTW. I think it’s short sighted given the player cares far more about his salary than his transfer fee.

[@dutchgrass]

Good point Rick

[@OhSoSpurs]

Good point

[@paulkirk6989]

Nice to listen to an unashamedly ''Ange in'' pod without the constant sniping at and tarring with the same brush ''Ange out'' of Spurs fans . I can't understand why a lot of Sours fans are picking out Maddison for criticism all the time , there are very few players in the world past or present that can/could win games on their own. It needs a full team complimenting them to be at their best.

[@BarrelOfTruth]

Brilliant analysis, my new favourite Spurs Podcast. Btw, it's Levy, it's always been Levy, this guy doesn't know how to manage a Big Club ! He only knows how to create conflict between Managers and Fans, for his record salary.

[@simonbestford7436]

We agree with you that Levy’s management of the football side has been pretty woeful. I hope that the new back of house structure will start to bare fruit soon

[@dutchgrass]

@@simonbestford7436 don't agree with woeful, would suggest could have done better more apt.

[@Stix62]

Hi andge fan here. Just want him to get 1 more season with a 85 percent fit squad and u will see spurs win most ,not all but most games

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree, give him the season and judge after that. He was given the impossible task. COYS

[@Stix62]

@OhSoSpurs I sent this episode to another group i listen too.your podcast will be appreciated with your constructive thoughts.

[@dutchgrass]

I am desperate for Ange to get 1 season with a fit squad to show what he can really do.

[@dalyonking]

One more season? Want to play in the championship then? We are 15th and concede clear cut chances for fun…. With or without our best players!!! How much further down the league do we have to be for the penny to drop????

[@dutchgrass]

@@dalyonking that isn't actually true. When we had our best players we had one of the best defences in the league & weren't allowing that many great chances.

[@JustSomebody-e9h]

Thanks lads, great discussion. Especially the bloke in Dubai. Finally my opinions are being represented by “fan pundits”. Please don’t follow the rest of them and move to reactionary opinions to get views…

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks for the kind words. The guy in Dubai is Stu ☺️ looking forward to chatting with you on future episodes and welcome to our members club 🤍

[@yvonnetoone7715]

One of the reasons why he changed to a back three may be to possibly accomodate Ben Davies who has just come back from injury? Less taxing for him?

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@yvonnetoone7715 That's a good point we didn't think of. Would make sense.

[@hughes4248]

Great stuff. I think it would help the club to pubically explain the rebuild stratergy and that they had to buy all young this season to set a new floor and then add the cherries on top - like Semedo 😉

[@OhSoSpurs]

Oh maybe we should do a video on Semendo next and why he's a good fit 😉

[@FAMUAce]

There are 48 points still available for the remainder of the league schedule. If we can take just half of those points, we will be in good shape moving forward.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree mate. This season is a rebuild. COYS

[@lemilemi5385]

Hi, as one following Ange, perhaps consider talking to the guys from the Huddle Breakdown, great technical/political insight to football let alone Celtic. Learnt so much about football through them not just the SPL

[@OhSoSpurs]

Good idea! I'll contact them

[@dannybizimovski9188]

Your the man

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Danny, COYS

[@jabberwocky7927]

I love Ange and have supported him fully. My observation is that he never did play the kids, and rest the main players, until the starters got injured and he had no choice. I read the other day, that even when we had Van de Ven and Romero, they were still only 4 Wins and 4 losses etc for those guys. Which hints at tactical errors. Im not Ange out at all. I thought his style was best for the club

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree mate. He's far from the problem but he could have rotated sooner to make the issues less significant. COYS

[@jabberwocky7927]

@@OhSoSpurs Ange practically married my wife and I lol. I contacted Tottenham Hotspurs support team and Ange signed a letter from the club congratulating us on our monumental event ;] (I did reassure her that IF he is sacked, our marriage wont be annulled) haha. COYS!!

[@BrettSurenne]

First time watcher. Breath of fresh air this channel. Most in depth analysis of Spurs I've seen. Subscribing to this Chanel and unsubscribing to the rest.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Brett! Welcome to OhSoSpurs 😊 COYS

[@KiwiSpursTV]

Great show Jim. Hope Vegas is treating you well.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks mate! COYS

[@N17Stu]

Probably easier to answer; Is there a God? Is the Universe infinite? What is consciousness? What is the meaning of life?

[@OhSoSpurs]

It was a tough one to unpack but I think we got there 😅

[@N17Stu]

@@OhSoSpurshave a great holiday mate

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Stu ☺️

[@jaymac6831]

😂

[@Serpsss]

Maybe, not exactly, I think therefore I am, 42 (rolling in the universe & everything for free)

[@brentonjc]

No club can adequately prepare for or deal with the number of key injuries that we've had this season. I really think it's as simple as that. We're fortunate that it's only really affected our league position so far (we'll finish mid-table I think). I'm really hoping that our luck changes and that we still get a chance to field a strong team in the 3 cup competitions. If that happens, we've got a good chance of winning a trophy.

[@robertburton7598]

I think Bournemouth have 9 first team players injured and they going from strength to strength.Due to vey good coaching.

[@brentonjc]

@@robertburton7598 They're not playing 2 games per week like Spurs are though.

[@royferguson2297]

This is the BS getting our lTottenham back, our Tottenham has won one Trophy in 34 years. Playing pretty attacking football has gotten us no where. I'm 70 and supported Spurs for 64 years saw us win Trophy's, you win games by not letting in Goals Ange is wide open for goals every game. I just wish we had kept Conte his last season had the World Cup before xmas he had injuries one of his coaches passed away. Then we had players going to the African & Asian Cups, and Conte told his team to attack but it was the Harry Kane show, sad Conte could not control Kane, I read out of 64 plus direct free kicks Kane scored one. And he could have won trophy's with Spurs if he had turned up in semi- Finals and Finals.

[@scottlewis2645]

Best spurs pod

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Scott! COYS

[@saneman7177]

People actually can’t seem to grasp a simple fact, when Ange joined last season & we won all those games before the Chelsea collapse, the hype train started, yet anyone who watched those games knows they were 50/50 games that we only got the win through the luck factor in football… we weren’t the better team in those games, we just had a bit of luck which obviously doesn’t last for long in football… we have an average squad & a manager who’s tactically naive, hence the season we’re having…

[@Army_Dog]

using that same barometer you would then have to agree that the start of this seasons results did not match our dominant performances, where the underlying stats showed we were outplaying opposition but I guess that does not fit your narrative

[@saneman7177]

@ it fits perfectly, Ange plays a style of football that relies heavily on luck… I’ve been saying it for a while he treats football like a game if dice, he’s figured out you can still win some football games that way

[@mykeanz]

@@saneman7177 You can't be a manager for 28 years, winning in multiple leagues while doing rebuilds all due to luck.

[@saneman7177]

@@mykeanz winning multiple leagues?… you mean the Japanese, Australian & Scottish leagues?… all known for their high quality & difficulty

[@mykeanz]

@@saneman7177 And internationals with Australia. In Australia and Japan he built those teams from mid-table to win titles. Difference is that the owners of those teams backed him to win. Levy isn't.

[@BohemianRaichu]

First time to listen to this podacst. Measured and intellgent. Are you guys really football fans?

[@dutchgrass]

haha love it!

[@irod1324]

Looking forward to this episode. Which theme park are you at?

[@OhSoSpurs]

I'm in Las Vegas, at that time I was staying in NewYorkNewYork

[@michaelgiles7515]

I can fully understand if the players get sour.. for a month they have battled on playing twice a week and probably looked forward to relief in January only to be let down. It has to have an effect in the dressing room.. COYS

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree Michael, they have given everything and are crying out for some support

[@geoffreyhui830]

I don't think Ange is to blame. But I'm watching this video anyway!

[@OhSoSpurs]

🤍💙 COYS

[@rocket8796]

Ange said his playing and training style causes hamstring injuries at Celtic, same in Japan. You can’t separate his style from the injuries.

[@dutchgrass]

they do in season 1, but from memory after that they don't occur as frequently, whereas this year is worse than last year.

[@rocket8796]

I read that in Japan his third year was bad with injuries as they were in the Asian Cup, finished 9th that year. At Celtic there always seemed to be players out for a while both years.

[@Chl03swish]

That is why he wants young players that he can train. We do not have enough players to cycles. THAT is the key. Wa can make other teams player suffer these injuries from trying to race after our boys.

[@Chl03swish]

Solanke late injuries was the reason for the switch. Ange should just stick with the old trail and tested.

[@christait50]

I agree about rhe toxic negative fanbase but the facts are there right purely based on results until we turn that around they will be there

[@OhSoSpurs]

We have a steep hill to climb and need to unite behind Ange and the players. It's our one job as fans. COYS

[@christait50]

@OhSoSpurs I totally agree 👍

[@roberto_camp]

"simple answers to complex situations". --could that describe Ange's tactics?

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@roberto_camp touche sir

[@projectext4147]

i think its a matter of you be damned if you do and damned if you dont when it comes to youth signings. right now spurs struggle with club grown and homegrown players, just look at the registration issues for europa league. so the only way we can do is to make sure some of our recent buys like bergvall etc can be euro-reg for homegrown in the future, making space for older signings. theres no short term fix unless we sell almost all the squad and do a nottingham forest/chelsea, thats also a project that took a few years to realise. before that both clubs was having squad issues as well. so we can only try to look at it this way. suffer now and reap later

[@DribbleP]

Just think of the players/teams spurs could of had if levy wasn't so tight the players they skipped on or didn't want to pay for other reams to come in and get spurs would off won trophies ages ago and probably the prem

[@stagaz]

as someone who spent 25 years in the print media "you would do that in the workplace"

[@nate_wil]

How to fix Tottenham? BRING IN PLAYERS FFS!!! We're in a rebuild. We brought in kids. All our players are injured. The team is running on fumes!!! The board say they're fully backing Ange but all they brought in for Jan was A KEEPER!!!!!! Now Solanke is injured as well! Even with a fully fit squad we need a good winger a CDM and a right back to back up Porro AT THE LEAST!!!

[@OhSoSpurs]

We desperately need at least 2 senior additions this week. 1 in attack and the other in defence

[@dutchgrass]

We have Spence to back up Porro, unfortunately he is having to play LB as we don't have a back up to Udogie! Think we are universally in agreement re a #6.

[@nate_wil]

​@ Yeah, we need another backup there. Someone who can play either and invert would be great!

[@aspursy7826]

Basically, i hear you guys say give Ange time, but then you moan and point out all his tactical floors and mistakes. Its not complex guys, you're just making excuses. This is a dangerous game our fans are playing.

[@OhSoSpurs]

It's not excuses. We are saying he is a victim of several years of poor decisions by the club but his tactics have also made his own problems worse. He's not the 'issue' but he's not blameless either.

[@aspursy7826]

@OhSoSpurs Agreed, can't argue with that. Been years of mismanagement from the top. What we need is a manager that can play with the cards that have been dealt. That isn't Ange im afraid. He's not turning the ship around. Sorry.

[@ivanm9127]

The other issue earlier on in the season that affected us I think were the international windows, in particular with the senior players. I have no doubt 16:35 Romero was watching himself cause his priorities in his head were Argentina first & Tottenham second . How many times he got caught ball watching and not tracking runs in behind that led to cheap goals and thus poimts dropped. Sonny as well , Playing for Korea is more important to him , he was useless in the Asian Cup . Its time for him to make the call and retire from international football and fight for the club that's made him quite wealthy, cause now more than ever he is needed to earn his pay check, not rest on his laurels and act like his done enough for the club

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agreed, we struggle with Romero as his ulterior motive is not Spurs. COYS

[@StevenHaze]

To fix them start with 3, 80-100 million players ready to play now over 23 and under 27.

[@dutchgrass]

only issue is finding that 300M...

[@StevenHaze]

@@dutchgrass No argument there! I agree that a 118million profit before tax and an 86 million loss after tax mean there is not that type of budget Also the wages are a joke(as pointed out here), if you're Lewis Hamilton are you going to Drive a HAAS? Or do you go to Ferrari getting a Ferrari wage?

[@dutchgrass]

@ Agreed, as we said wages need to be a more similar % to revenue in line with other well run benchmark rivals, though we don't have the revenue to pay the same as the likes of city, etc, but as we also suggested LH would still choose Ferrari over Haas even if Haas offered slightly more.

[@StevenHaze]

@@dutchgrass very good and lol I know (LH) but I was making a comparison! I do like this channel and only a few others great vid!

[@OhSoSpurs]

We certainly need 2 or 3 senior players this window. Don't think they'll be that value though, it's a stretch to far financially.

[@robertlee6338]

These muscle injuries are not a long term or short term transfer issues. These injuries are direct result of high line and needing to run more plus Ange not rotating fatigued players until after they pull a hamstring! If Solanke is fatigued and Richardlison is not ready, why not give Odbert/Yang twenty minutes or a start when we have easy game, already lost the game or are in front 2 or 3 goals! The lack of rotation is why our backline is devastated!

[@camtinley]

Is it the fan base ?

[@RJ-67T]

Levy has a decision to make: back Ange and buy some players this month or sack him.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Agree

[@simonbestford7436]

💯

[@druidnia]

Sadly couldn't watch this as I do NOT think Ange is to blame:(

[@OhSoSpurs]

The whole pod was about not blaming Ange 🙂

[@coolguy9616]

Its my fault. I started supporting spurs at the beginning of this season 🤭

[@OhSoSpurs]

Can you try supporting Arsenal next weekend just to see if it reverses our fortunes? 😉

[@coolguy9616]

@@OhSoSpurs couldn’t bring myself to do it 😂

[@lesegomatsimela2112]

Should the fans that want Ange out be allowed to celebrate when we win a trophy end of the season?

[@dutchgrass]

very good question!

[@spurstrex]

I want him to stay untill the end of the season. After 8 minutes and to be honest even after the team sheet came out you knew playing three at the back was going to be a disaster because of the unfamiliar scenarios this would cause. Everton had changed their formation and this was not the Everton under the previous manager. The warnings were there after their Villa game because they played well and deserved more from that game. We have burnt out senior players because of the lack of rotation due to injuries. Example Pedro has to run the whole bloody game from one penalty box to another he is running on empty. Son unfortunately in my opinion which l have stated over the last three years should not play a full game. He should come on in the last twenty minutes where he would be more effective against a tiring defence. To equal things up for him. No ones really to blame it just bad luck this happens in life and in my seventy years on this planet l have seen happen many times to people companies and it's not there fault lts the hand you get dealt with at the time. Unfortunately the spoilt game boy generation have been brought up on the notion that you are in control of your life, bad news your not. Fate is in charge.

[@robertlee6338]

Lower wages are not a tell of lack of ambitions. If world class players are not coming to Spurs than there is no reason to pay world class wages! World class player wanted by Real, ManC, Barca, BM, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal are not coming to Totteham even for 50% more wages! That is why Levy is buying junior and up and coming talent! If Levy paid what the other team want for transfer and Spurs offered personal terms of 50% more pay to Mbappe, Belligham, Vinicius's Jr, Haaland or Salah none of them coming!

[@Gggg-cq1ih]

BS.... If Spurs offers big wages to the right really top quality player he'd be holding up the shirt .Not everyone but a good few would love to be a main player mixed in with youth.

[@robertlee6338]

@@Gggg-cq1ihname two starting players from Manc, Real, Pool or Barca for double the wages

[@Army_Dog]

@@Gggg-cq1ih could not disagree more

[@sof5930]

I dont get the narrative "you hate Ange because hes Australian". Spurs have not had an English manager for 10 years? The 5 managers before Ange were all from different parts of the world. Im American. I wouldn't go and follow another PL club if an American coach took charge. I didn't stop supporting Spurs when Marsch went to Leeds. I dont like the job Ange is doing, thats all. I'm not blindly supporting him, especially if he were to get Spurs relegated. Or if he finishes 15th or 16th, half of the better players in the squad put in transfer requests and the top players we need next window will not join because theres no Europe and the manager looks clueless. If youre an experienced player performing well at another club. Whats selling you to join a sinking ship? 18 yr olds might be all we can convince to join.

[@dutchgrass]

The difference between Ange & the other 'foreign' managers we have had recently, is they all came from established 'football' countries & therefore aren't met with the same side-eye that someone that comes from Australia, or even the US, does.

[@ennspek]

Wages looked at like that doesn't include various bonuses

[@OhSoSpurs]

True! Haaland shows how much the bonuses wing the numbers. They effectively double his salary

[@JulianDowie]

Bottom line Levi won’t spend but I’ve no idea why we not loaning then there’s ange if he’s not running our players into the ground and then bringing them back to early he’s only got one way of playing. We don’t have the squad to play this way as for our players there being asked to play in a way I doubt they’ve ever played. The club is a complete mess from top to bottom and once February has been and gone so will ange then we will back with Levi it’s really not good.

[@Serpsss]

Levy isn't being altruistic, he's playing a numbers game. Ignoring the need for more players costs nothing, keeping Ange in costs nothing & what manager would want to come to Spurs now? It's a career setback at best & a killer at worst; are they really going to look at the names that came before them & think "Yeah I could do better with a lack of proper support from the owners"?

[@OhSoSpurs]

It's an all but impossible task to succeed if he isn't given major support over the next 3 windows. At least Levy has changed his typical stance and is far more patient with Ange. Any previous manager in the history of Spurs under his tenure would have been sacked.

[@Serpsss]

​@@OhSoSpurs I think by this stage in the past, it was either a case of the Levy Out chants had become too saturated along with some undersized protests & so Levy sacked them for a distraction. OR the manager would've started openly speaking out against the club somehow.... Personally I think Ange is a pressure pot right now & when/if he blows it's going to make Conte look like a little kitten mewing at bubbles. My one hope if he does get sacked is that he gets his chance to explode like Chernobyl; decimating the board's reputation for years.

[@julianmoerman770]

​@@Serpsss Agree..how hard would it be as a gaffer not getting support from the board when it's obvious we needed a stronger squad...from last year even..

[@Army_Dog]

@@Serpsss Ange has been backed more than any other manager in our history... 4th most spend in world football!

[@RJ-67T]

Leave the fans out of it

[@RJ-67T]

According to The Guardian Levy has given Ange the next 2 games (Hoffenheim & Leicester) to save his job.

[@dutchgrass]

out of what? You think what they called son after the game was acceptable?

[@RJ-67T]

@@dutchgrass firstly one or two idiots don’t represent the whole fanbase. Secondly as Ali Gold stated, it’s not clear from the video whether those fans were swearing at the players or at each other. Anyway fans no power unfortunately when it comes to how the club is run, this is in the hands of the hierarchy!

[@dutchgrass]

@RJ-67T it was clearly more than 1 or 2 fans & shouting what they were was unacceptable, end of.

[@snesleywipessqueegeeservices]

*SON* not 'Sun'! C'mon fellas. 🙄

[@OhSoSpurs]

SnesleyWipes. Firstly our friend, great name. Secondly. Noted on the pronunciation ☺️

[@dutchgrass]

apologies

[@royferguson2297]

Put Spence at right back and play Poro on the right wing.

[@simonbestford7436]

Might be an option

[@julianmoerman770]

Obviously theyve tried back 3 in training before..Ange not one to just chop without reason..so mqny think they know the inside of training 😅😅 lounge room gaffers 😅😅

[@OhSoSpurs]

Haha fair point

[@JustSomebody-e9h]

I think they were implying that it’s not a system they’ve fully mastered. But I find it interesting that the fans that were criticising him for being stubborn, are the same ones criticising the change to a back3. He can’t win, because those “fans” are hindsight merchants.

[@benjaminsolomon3918]

Firstly pay a propper wage to the players ,more then to the owners , don't make spurs a club where youth being bought to make them into superstars to be sold so the iwners benefits, by top players as it was in the late 50 -to yhe 60th ehen Spurs was Spurs , get rid of the board hoe making sure they get getter incentives then the players ,no more board members ,and let the players man up to tell the owners ,the maneger , coaches and board members about their grievancess and not throw games then they talk about feeling sorry for the supporters paying a shitfull of pounds to be at the game's

[@dutchgrass]

you do realise Enic takes nothing & Levy a salary, which is less than 70K a week, so less than most players? Also we stopped buying youth to sell at a profit a long time ago, we only sell players when they are deemed not good enough or want to leave & won't sign new contracts.

[@royferguson2297]

Conte was 1000% right and nothing has changed he had more passion in one game than Ange has ever showed. Conte is now top of the league in Italy with Napoli, he had a lot of bad luck in his second season. Ange is not good enough says he won't change, Levi won't sack him because he is a yes man.

[@simonbestford7436]

Not sure that Ange is a yes man, haven’t seen any evidence for or against and I guess we won’t see behind the scenes. What he doesn’t do is behave like a spoilt brat and absolve himself of any responsibility as to what is happening in the club in which he is a senior leader

[@dutchgrass]

Conte is a good manager, his 1st season showed that, and yes he had an unlucky 2nd season losing so many friends & his health issues which clearly impacted him & made him want to go back to Italy where his family was still living. That doesn't excuse his incredible lack of professionalism at the end.

[@todareistodomyfoot8403]

Levi has ruined the club. Tottenham is finished, it's dead

[@dutchgrass]

based on 1 disappointing season mostly down to an incredible injury crisis?

[@todareistodomyfoot8403]

@@dutchgrass Based on 25 years of Levy failing to back managers. Based on the shit transfer window where Ange was given kids to work with. Based on replacing Harry Kane with a one season wonder. Based on wasting money on low end product players like Richarlison and Solanke because they're on low wages. The real fans have been priced out already, the club is finished. So you responding to me isn't going to make a difference. Tottenham RIP.

[@dutchgrass]

@ so people who can still afford to go aren't real fans?

[@todareistodomyfoot8403]

@@dutchgrass How many of them did you see stuffing their faces whilst being entertained towards those who were protesting to save their club outside the stadium? The fact that you even responded says it all. The club is finished as the old fan base has been replaced with fans like you. Empty vessels with no soul, vampires the lot of you, the walking dead.

[@todareistodomyfoot8403]

@@dutchgrass No, you buy average players from lower league clubs in relegation battles, don't expect to be challenging for league titles and cups. You pay money for top quality players like Wissa who has 11 goals, Mbuemo who has 13 goals and Gyokeres who has 30 goals already this season in all comps and you might start challenging for something. The club genreated 550 million revenue last season but Levy just wants to take part, rather than compete. Everton were missing 7 players by the way when they faced us. At the end of the day, the fan base will pay for the new stadium, and that's one billion plus in total and Levy won't put his hand in his pocket for one penny of that. And the fan base will pay for the new hotels as that's what he means by self sustainable, as he's taking the piss out of the fan base. Not only has he got you lot paying for everything, he's serving you up average crap in the transfer market. He doesn't need europe anymore beaues the revenue generated by the stadium is so huge. The club is finished, and the modern fan won't give a shit.

[@BarsOvun]

Lots of talk, just to focus on excuses for Ange. Sounds like he has barely any responsibility on what shitty situation we are now. So tired of this. His philosophy doesn't work, cannot work. I don't want to continue to build on this philosophy. And btw a philosophy is not just what you do on the pitch. His antics, his rudeness and arrogance are also things I don't want to keep it around.

[@dutchgrass]

what rudeness, arrogance & antics?

[@BarsOvun]

@ If you watched any interviews and/or press conferences, he always has that condescending response to legitimate questions. And the attitude of “I won’t change, I always win playing like this, trophy in second season” etc etc etc

[@OhSoSpurs]

He's not blameless but his philosophy has shown in spells it can work. It's several factors not one. Changing the manager won't fix anything in the short term. Agree re the interviews, it's a flaw in his personality when the time is tough. I still prefer him to Conte and Jose though. At least he's defensive of the club

[@BarsOvun]

@ I’m sorry but what spells? The first 10 matches while players were not burned and opponents didn’t expect this spell? Since then it’s complete failure. If the situation was meh, mid table, win 2 - draw 1 - loose 1 kinda, maybe you can say there is foundation, something can be built. But now the reality is, no foundation but just rubbles. Injuries are not the cause of this btw. Let’s not go there.

[@dutchgrass]

@ I have watched most of his pressers & would disagree with your take, no worse than any other manager being asked stupid questions.

[@kierankyze]

Ange out for me results are needed 15th & falling

[@N17Stu]

@@kierankyze who in

[@kierankyze]

@@N17Stunot my job to know who to get in but Ange can’t keep losing games on & on someone will have to stop the bleeding

[@N17Stu]

@ it’s not your job to sack him either. Can’t be Ange out but have zero clue who to replace him with

[@dutchgrass]

we do need to turn it around, but if Ange left, whoever comes in would have to deal with the same lack of personnel issue.

[@kierankyze]

@@N17Stu yes I can be Ange out & not knowing who to come in even Mason could stop all these losses back to back to back, what I do know is Ange isn’t the man 1 win in 10 can’t all be on injuries imo.

[@nevamind1000]

Ange has to go, end of

[@simonbestford7436]

It’s a view and I appreciate that. I don’t agree with you right now but that’s ok as well

[@TooDarnSoulful]

Goodness we cannot even agree that the PREM is a superior level to The Scottish/Australian and Japanese league. Talk about denial !!! 😆🤣

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@TooDarnSoulful Not sure where you interpreted that! Please show us where we said the Premier League is on the same level as the Scottish League? I think what you've misunderstood is that we said the challenge is relative to your league. Taking a team from 15th to 1st in Japan as an example isn't easy because it's in Japan. You still have the variance in budgets etc that are relative to that league.

[@TooDarnSoulful]

@@OhSoSpurs I have debated with plenty that say it, Ange said it to a Aus reporter on youtube, I will dig it out for you, interesting viewing ! It is in no way relative and never will be. As Pep will tell you the most difficult and competitive league to win in the world ! As Pep has won four prem titles I will bow to his experience.

[@mykeanz]

Thanks

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thank you for supporting the show, kind of you 🙂