Ignition Misfire Case Study using the ATS E-Scope Elite 4

[@JoesAutoElectric]

Brandon is one of the real leaders in our industry. His methods applying his wide range of knowledge, as well as his incredible ability to teach is an inspiration to all the real techs who want to be the best we can be. Proud to call this man my friend.

[@PaulysAuto]

AMEN!!!

[@weldingjunkie]

He’s the best! Very knowlagable. Scope is awesome, pricy but awesome

[@brandonsteckler3417]

A million thanks, Joe. Means a lot brother!

[@djosbun]

I am a huge fan of Eric at South Main Auto but now that I have watched a few of Brandon’s videos today, you are now equal at the top of my list of best auto technicians on YT. The best compliment I can give is that if my mom has car trouble within 90 minutes of your shop, Brandon, I would pay to have her car towed to you (heck, maybe even 2 hours away!).

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Dave, thanks so much for the compliment. I love Eric all the same. He is a phenomenal technician and and ever better human-being. A great friend of mine. I’m willing to offer assistance at anytime. Just feel free to reach out. If I’m available, I’m happy to help. Thanks again for the feedback. Stay-tuned for more videos by us here at Trained By Techs. 👍

[@brandonsteckler1307]

A million thanks to all the viewers. Your feedback is greatly appreciated by us at Trained By Techs. Are area of focus is “approach” and “technique” but this video was intended to demonstrate the use of the ATS EScopeELITE4 . With the input and feedback from those here that are interested, our future videos with be curtailed to what you wish to see displayed/demonstrated. Thank you for viewing!👍

[@SuperMarioDiagnostics]

Masterfully explained Brandon! Thanks for letting us in on a couple of features of that scope. Love the way you proved a voltage supply issue while ruling out a connector/pin drag issue at the same time. Really enjoyed this one fellas. 👍👍👍

[@PaulysAuto]

This video is absolutely amazing!!! Brandon, you are one hell of a GREAT TEACHER BTW! You guys are kicking out some top notch content and I cannot thank you enough for that!!!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Paul, it is our absolute pleasure. Thank for the feedback, it is very helpful 👍

[@VoltageDropDiagnostics]

Amazing videos, fellas! Thanks for all that you guys do for the industry!

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Thanks PJ!

[@ThePracticalMechanic]

Thank you very much for this video. Many people will complain about scope videos because lab scopes are “expensive” and not all shops have them but if a technician watches videos like this they will still gain valuable information about the how and why. I have purchased my own tools throughout my career and I bought my first Pico five years into my career. Even if the shop is unwilling to buy a scope a tech can save up and purchase a used scope for very little $$$. I wish there were videos like this when I first got a scope because these style video are incredible resources.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

I’m so glad we, at Trained By Techs could help. Thank you for your feedback👍

[@ivegonemad]

Scope is a technicians bread and butter! Most techs are lazy to learn but knowledge will make you not only a great tech but will make you tons of money

[@kellyr9388]

Fantastic study Brandon, I can see why you are a well respected teacher.

[@NewLevelAuto]

Try and make it to one of his classes if you can

[@brandonsteckler1307]

@Kelly R, Thank you very much. I hope to see you in class sometime soon 👍

[@kellyr9388]

@@brandonsteckler1307 If I was closer and lived in the U.S, I would have loved to have been in attendance.

[@SAAutoRepair]

Another fantastic lesson from the master himself. Test Don't Guess. Thank you sir

[@theautomotivedoctormr.wils9217]

Great video Brandon , now I'm arguing with myself over Pico or E-scope for my next addition to the tools . Really like the E-scope's high input capabilities with out the need of adding attenuators .Thanks for sharing .

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks, I own both PICO and ATS. Each of the two have there strengths and weaknesses. Both scopes allow you the capabilities to successfully diagnose faults efficiently. I urge you to come to the trade shows and let me demonstrate them for you. There will be future videos demonstrating the ATS EScope ELITE4

[@orville58]

Just goes to show you the more you know about and understand the way something works completely not just generally the better you can find A way to test and tell why it doesn’t work as was intended thank you for this video it was awesome,very clear explanation most would have fired a coil first

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for the feedback👍

[@stephencook4611]

You sure you don't want to just throw parts at it? This is a perfect example of why you must test not guess. Good job Brandon.

[@richeverett5257]

Hi Brandon Great video. It was a pleasure meeting you in person at the Honda day class held at Santa Clara Ca. Special thanks to the crew of Trained by Techs for putting together these tutorials.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Rich, The pleasure was all mine. Thank you so much for making the time to train and stay on top of your game👍 On behalf of all of us at Trained By Techs, we truly appreciate the feedback!

[@MaicSalazarDiagnostics]

Absolutely a great video! Thx Brandon and Trained By Techs for sharing all this great testing approach.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for the feedback, Maic👍

[@fascistpedant758]

Thanks for the great video. I hope we see more case studies from Trained by Techs. I appreciate your professional, no frills attitude, training rather than entertainment.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Thanks for the feedback👍

[@mike-yp1uk]

Great work and a good remainder of details. Gather all the info of low hanging fruit.

[@train4905]

Absolutely superb sir.thanku. Steve from the uk

[@jgeorges3061]

AWESOME/EXCELLENT INFORMATION MORE VIDEOS PLEASE AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO GUYS REALLY APPRECIATED THE TIME AND EFFORT IT TAKES TO SHOW ALL THIS . CHEEEEEERS

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for watching, there will be more videos in the future 👍

[@MD-173]

This video is awesome ! Brandon, when are you putting out an in-depth tutorial of this scope?

[@brandonsteckler3417]

MD, Thanks for the feedback. We are always looking to create videos that support the likes and needs of our viewers. We can certainly curtail the videos to meet your demands

[@TheAutoTech]

Excellent video highlighting the importance of a scope and understanding basic electrical theory! Good work!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for the feedback👍

[@nickayivor8432]

KNOWLEDGEABLE Trained by Techs Brandon Steckler Brilliant video thanks for sharing it with us. Brandon Steckler Trained by techs From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧

[@robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929]

Great video guys amazing camera work to make him look taller than he is lol.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

😆somehow I knows you’d show up, Mike

[@paulabend614]

Great Job I really enjoyed how you walked through everything

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Paul 👍

[@JOHNPHUFNAGEL]

Great video Brandon and I think my next purchase will be that scope Bernie showed me a lot of cool features of the E-scope that the pico dont do, yesterday at TST

[@weldingjunkie]

JOHN HUFNAGEL which schope is that? Where do I get one

[@JOHNPHUFNAGEL]

@@weldingjunkie ATS Escope you can get it at AESWave

[@brandonsteckler1307]

The equipment is produced by Automotive Test Solutions and can be found right here: www.automotivetestsolutions.com/escope-elite.html

[@haywardsautomotive6156]

Nice diagnosis & video Brandon.

[@liberiperikleous2129]

Thanks for the video,very informative.I wish i could attend one of your classes sometime soon.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Thank you! Would love to have you in class with us!

[@weldingjunkie]

This was a good one Brandon, thanks for sharing. Maybe people would of shot a coil in. I really need to get my hands on a escope lol

[@hustlerforgita7538]

You can pay for down payment of a house first

[@larryhurst8958]

Enjoyed the video, you are adept at using and setting up the scope. But in my experience, shops in my area, no one has this scope or Pico, they refuse to invest in training or equipment and use the scan tool only and swaptronics. So the tech gets screwed on the time for DX and flat rate. At least in this example, you had easy access to test points, ie no manifolds to pull. Techs have to be paid more, as there is a severe shortage of good techs. For example, CDL drivers are being paid much larger salaries, not flat rate than the techs fixing the trucks. I see tons of ads for mechanics in Richmond Va, where the starting pay is $12-$15/ hr, or $20/hr to work flat rate at an independent garage. Sorry for the diversion but some comments referred to pay and flat rate issues. Thanks for taking the time to make a useful video.

[@TrainedbyTechs]

Thanks for the reply Larry. We fully understand where you're coming from. You've summed up most topics that are key subjects related to Trained By Techs Mission statement. " TO IMPROVE THE AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE INDUSTRY THROUGH NETWORKING, EDUCATION AND INDUSTRY AWARENESS." Everything we do must have this focus in mind. Videos like this are just one method we use to accomplish our mission. Again, THANK YOU for the reply. These types of responses are what help raise awareness that things MUST change.

[@greg6925]

Awesome tips. Explained well.

[@TrainedbyTechs]

Glad you liked it! Thanks Greg

[@johnaclark1]

Fantastic video! Thank you!

[@hddm3]

Scope is awsome. Looks like it’s really easy to navigate

[@brandonsteckler1307]

The device is extremely intuitive and quite simple to navigate👍

[@weldingjunkie]

Great job Brandon you are the best of the best. Thank you for showing the fuse loop in that way, I have that same ASEWAVE kit and love it. Cool scope, thanks for sharing. Looking foward to the next one.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for the feedback, Pal👍

[@8power0]

GOOD SHOW , I WAS ALWAYS QUERIES ABOUT THE ATS SCOPES THEY SEEM TO HAVE A HIGHER OR STEPPER LEARNING CURVE THAT ALWAYS SAT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND . MY FIRST SCOPE WAS A FLUKE 196 AND AFTER THAT WITH ALL ITS BUTTONOLOGY I KNOW I CAN OPERATE JUST ABOUT ENEY SCOPE . IN THE END I WANT WITH A PICO JUST FOR THE SHEAR EASE OF USE AND IT'S GREAT ZOOM QUALITIES THANKS BRANDON FOR YOUR TIME PLEASE WOULD LOVE TO SEE MANY MORE VIDS FROM YOU IN THE FUTURE !

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Like any tool, there is a learning curve and leaning all the functions of any tool you own makes it many times more powerful and increased the return on investment drastically. This tool is quite intuitive and depending on the feedback from this video, one shall be produced in the near future that that demonstrates navigation and buttonology

[@8power0]

@@brandonsteckler1307 DEMONSTRATION VIDEOS OF THESE TOOLS AND SO MANY OTHERS WOULD BE GREAT . BY PUTTING THE TOOL INTO THE HANDS OF A TRUE EVER DAY TECH TO SHOW THE UPS AND DOWNS WOULD MAKE A BAYING DECISION MUCH FASTER AND EASIER THANKS BRANDON AND PLEASE KEEP THE GREAT VIDEOS COMING !

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks! More videos are to come👍. We appreciate your input and thanks for taking the time to view the video

[@billyyoder8171]

Thank you Brandon and TBT. Good job. I appreciate your videos. Have a blessed and safe week.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks Bill👍

[@joshstaton508]

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to make and to share it.

[@gonzgarr1592]

great video with great tech info wish you would do more videos can't wait till the next one thanks

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for watching, there will be more videos to follow 👍

[@TheRallyCoop]

Nice video! Would have been nice, just for completeness to show a 5 second screen shot of where the additional resistance was found in the power wire. Sadly some techs still don’t believe that a loose connection can have that kind of impact on a circuit. Also, how do you repair the insulation after piercing the wire with the back probes?

[@ScienceOfDiagnostics]

Excellent video Brandon and TBT. Very well done.

[@turningwrenchesautorepairm5017]

Brandon, you are a good instructor. Great job man !!

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Thank you very much. I’m glad our videos are well-received. We, at Trained By Techs want to do our part to help move the industry forward and empower technicians to improve there skill set.

[@mosessalazar4576]

Excellent video!

[@unclericky2046]

Very helpful looking to buy this scope! I have an Autel and it does not work very well always firmware issues.

[@cardiaglexia995]

Pico , for my the best one.

[@paulpaquette1961]

Thanks, I learned something! Awesome prove out on the Vdrop!

[@daviddasilva4897]

Nice diag Brendon,love the way you teach

[@High_Tech_Mountain]

Great video Brandon & Trained By Techs. What a scope 😍 Thanks for sharing your techniques. Great diagnosis. I have the Test lead set from AES and didn’t think of using it in that manner for a fused jumper lead. Thanks. Look forward to future videos.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Angel, thanks for the feedback! If there is any content regarding any of the features of this ATS tool (or any of the other ATS tools) please let us know. At Trained By Techs, We have lots of “PICO” based content but our goal is to demonstrate techniques/Diagnostic approach using the tools you have available to you. We don’t like to focus on specific brands but rather keep it general. I will be featuring ATS tooling while the other guys will be demonstrating other tools

[@High_Tech_Mountain]

Brandon Steckler looking forward to future videos. And completely understand. Diagnostic approaches are fairly universal. Just adapt to specific tools/equipment being used at the moment. Thanks again

[@naokimatsushima4979]

A simple voltage drop test. Easy basic checks first. Then components, control, etc.

[@joserodriguez2632]

Super diagnostic.Thaks

[@johnpappas1683]

That was a nice presentation ats makes some kick ass stuff.

[@padraiggalvin2807]

Nice video. It would however have been nice to see where the exact problem was on the car

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Hello, truthfully the car was bugged by us shortly before the video was filmed. The idea was not to “repair the vehicle “but to demonstrate the techniques that would have led us to an accurate diagnosis and then proper repair, officially. We added a voltage drop to the coil voltage supply circuit

[@eli310]

nice scope i like the touch zoom in like pico i would like the wiggle test nd check all coils nd grounds nd power with engine under load nice pick up on main power feed

[@lawsautomotive108]

Hey man just checking to see where you bought the E scope Elite four from. I tried calling to no reveal, I tried online I tried emailing them can't get through to anybody there's no help there is no customer service. All I want to do is buy one. I do want the E scope 8.

[@UnemployedMacintosh]

its on aeswave

[@vencentbauer]

That a good way of looking at that

[@Gmansour1971]

Brandon, love the video man, and the scope you are using is pretty awesome. I'm debating, should I purchase this escope elite4, or go for a pico. I'm presently using a Verus edge which is a good scope, but I want to start doing cylinder pressure/ transducer diagnostics. The Snap-on scope simply is not at the same level and capability. What do you recommend? This is the first video I've watched of you using this escope, I'll look for others. Thanks for the great video!

[@cardiaglexia995]

Pico 2.5 k usd + 1.5 k usd pressure transducer.only escope 17k usd + pressure transducer.

[@dholtorf7330]

Great presentation and explanation of thoroughly testing before condemning a part. More videos like this for sure🤘

[@brandonsteckler1307]

D, Thank you for viewing and for the feedback. Is there any features of this tool or any of the other ATS tools you are interested in seeing demonstrated?

[@dholtorf7330]

@@brandonsteckler1307 any kind of thorough troubleshooting and tips and tricks with using lab scopes would be great. Doesn't necessarily have to be model or brand-specific. I'm always trying to figure out faster and thorough ways of doing things.

[@Autofixpals]

Fantastic Video. Keep em coming!

[@CarsExposed]

Great info Brandon I really appreciate it cheers 👍👍👍

[@James-fs4rn]

👍 thanks for sharing! Very informative and helpful content.

[@svargla89]

Great video and great information thanks Brandon

[@nelsonnarciso1791]

Great diagnosis. Ats scope pretty pricey but a great tool.

[@jeremiahschaefer9771]

Is there a video for finding the source of the voltage drop efficiently? Plz? Ty

[@andysgarage6612]

Thank you. Great explanation!!

[@OneSierra]

Thanks for the case study!

[@crystal1484]

That is an awesome video, keep up the good work.👍

[@muresanioan7130]

you are the best,thank you.

[@thelifescout8335]

Oh boy a bmw and showing me again the features of the e scope!

[@DmitriyL_Arithmechanics]

Brandon, thanks for showing how to work with the E-scope. Is turning channels on/off/on/off (rather than shifting waveforms vertically) the preferred way? If so, why?

[@ssrbob]

Dmitriy, I would say turning channels on-off vs shifting is a matter of choice, however, the Escopes do have the ability to shift the waveforms up or down if you prefer.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Dmitry, What Bob said is true. The channels can easily be manipulated/shifted with as much offset as you desire. Having the ability to manipulate the captures data to your liking makes it very powerfully

[@danpereira6009]

Great video Brandon 👍

[@CubasAutomotive]

Excellent video! So good, I had to share! Great job Brandon, and everyone at TBT. Martino? You recorded this? I see what Brandon means... totally professional job! Brandon... I can't get enough! Such a brilliant way of conveying the lesson!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Many thanks, Cuba! We all need to focus on a collaborative series. What do you think of that?

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@brandonsteckler1307 I think that's an excellent idea. TBT makes great videos, but I'd certainly love more content from everyone. Emphasis on being as noninvasive as possible. Showing the importance of not disturbing too much, as "sometimes" you can accidentally fix a vehicle and have a comeback. Yeah. Positively fantastic idea.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Does that mean “YOURE IN”?

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@brandonsteckler1307 yes! I most certainly am. I can use the Pico or Uscope.. but I'll have to search for the vehicles. I have mostly mechanical as of late.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Let’s all get together and make some videos....wait, that came out wrong 😑😬

[@fastestcaskets5020]

It would have been nice to see the the improved current ramp with the feed wire bypassed instead of just the voltage trace considering the current ramp was the test that revealed the misfiring cylinder. Other than that, good stuff as always. Thank you for putting these out.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Excellent observation. I failed to place the probe around BOTH the source-wires (supplement and intended feeds). This is the reason we omitted it from the video

[@PhillipBailey]

Great video. I'm liking that 8 channel scope.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Phillip, It is true that ATS produces the 8-channel EScopePRO. Another highly capable device. However, this video featured the ATS EScopeELITE: www.automotivetestsolutions.com/escope-elite.html

[@richardcranium5839]

sweet use of the scope wouldnt generic mode 6 point you to #1 ??? splice packs are a notorious bad item and it was great how you showed how the scope shows whats going on. would have been neat to show probing that wire back to a good point .

[@jeremiahschaefer9771]

Sending 12VDC down a circuit with a 9006 to ground then hunting with the thermal is the most efficient way I know. Pierce the middle most accessible point if that fails for further direction. Plz help cause this is hit and miss, time consuming at best. Ty.

[@bekomcar554]

Brendon, so applying the same, we could supply respective 5V or 12V or Ohm or Duty Cycle directly to the subject wire, simulating the normal running enivornment? Last time I learnt applying grounding circuit for diagnosis purpose, which just englightened my diagnostic horizon. Yes, I am a newbie diagnostician.

[@TheDisgruntledMechanic]

Great Video! Thanks!

[@shaunsautorepairs5410]

Thanks for that easy to follow well explained video...keep up tge good work

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Shaun , thanks so much for the feedback👍

[@embreesmith7613]

most excellent video

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks Embree!

[@feeneysmechanical6215]

But Branden the guy at autozone said it just needs plugs and wires lol

[@markferraro5250]

great video Brandon

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for watching, Mark👍

[@robertomijango6207]

it is a good video thank for you time and explain very helpful

[@diymisfit_Mechanic_UDX404]

That is an awesome scope

[@frankjohn4302]

Hey Brandon I have watched and still watching your in cylinder and intake waveform vids.can you pls tell me your thoughts on the jh-apt-100 pressure transducer.

[@autorepairbymike1356]

What would be the next step in finding the cause of the low voltage supply? Disconnect the coil connector and assuming the other end is the connector at the DME and disconnect that? Would you then use a headlamp or other load carrying device and put B+ at one end and ground at the other and see how bright the light is?

[@brandonsteckler3417]

Mike, the next step is to locate the v drop. I typically look for visual evidence (like a wire repaired previously) but then start at the next available test location. If voltage is ok there, Ive gone too far. If voltage is still low, I have head further towards the source.

[@DJ-tn7vj]

Yo B. Thanks again

[@Waelkhalafabdelrehiem]

You are too good man

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thank you but I’m no smarter thank ANYONE else. I’ve just taken the time to understand how “things” work, the limitations of my test equipment the use of good service information. Thanks for watching 👍

[@memphisautodiagnostics4136]

This is what a critical thinking looks like awesome tech awesome video. thanks a million

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Hans, thanks so much for the feedback👍

[@kevinedward1234]

Nice video!! What was the fault of the voltage drop?

[@TrainedbyTechs]

There was a voltage drop issue in the wire after the splice pack.

[@asaflorida380]

Awesome Brandon!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks for the support @ASA-Florida

[@nicknicu1787]

Great case study! Where did you place the resistor? Lol

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Great observation. A ballast resistor was placed in series with the coil supply for COP #1. This was designed to similate a V-Drop as to be expected from a botched wire repair job. “MAN-MADE” faults are usually among the toughest to find. However, a solid diagnostic approach will yield the answer EVERY time 👍

[@Pablo_Automotive]

Really nice

[@Carlitosway211]

Nice video, but where was the V drop though? Lol Had to be the splice.

[@brandonsteckler3417]

We placed a ballast resistor in series with that coil’s supply wire

[@thegettingoveritguy7266]

Great video!!!!!!

[@byoung9627]

Good job on the video!

[@k-evinshighshowcantonese9922]

Good stuff. I haven't got to watch. But I know it's good stuff lol

[@vitaly_vasilev_2012]

Спасибо. Хорошее видео.

[@brandonsteckler1307]

No, thank YOU!

[@Automotive_Solutions]

Grest video & nice scope. 👍

[@daquanbrown7886]

How do you know when you need to use a attenuator when checking ignition coil's so you don't damage your lab scope? Great video also Thank's

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Hello Daquan! Thank you for reaching out. That is a great question. Virtually all actuators that function off of principles of magnetic induction create an “inductive kick” when that device is turned-off. When this occurs, the magnetic field around the device collapses back into the control circuit. All that magnetic energy has to dicipate instantaneously. The magnetic energy will transform to electrical energy and can generate “kicks” far higher than the original Source of voltage. If this energy exceeds the rating of the scope, damage will likely follow. For instance, a port fuel injector can generate 100v (if not not clipped). An ignition coil can produce hureds of volts. Even a relay coil can produce a lot of voltage. My blanket statement to you is: -read the specs of your chosen scope -better safe than sorry

[@codysautodiagnosticsprogra8706]

Great video Brandon

[@patriotone3063]

Is this scope capable of diagnosing ADAS systems like wave millimeter radars?

[@philh9238]

this guy makesit look so easy!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

@Phil, it’s very easy...if I can do it, ANYONE can. Stick with us and ask questions, we are here to help

[@philh9238]

@@brandonsteckler1307 the ignition coilcurrent ramping cam crank sensors abs sensors data lines i get. just confused on what to look for in cylinder pressure transducers and seconday ignintion

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Phil, There will be future material pertaining to pressure Waveform Analysis. Although, nothing replaces getting to class...with that said, I hope to see one of these days😊👍

[@philh9238]

@@brandonsteckler1307 if there is one near ohio ill be there!

[@brandonsteckler1307]

PHENOMENAL...reach out to TrainedByTechs. Our own, Brian Culotta is in Ohio!

[@joneskey3950]

Brandon great video! Can you further elaborate on the 3rd wire ground reference, why is it needed and I think on a diagram it shows as it leads to a set of capacitors per each bank. Why do you think BMW has decided to do this instead of using a conventional 2 wire COP. Thank you again

[@brandonsteckler1307]

Thanks @Jones Key! I imagine the additional ground is for noise-suppression. I’ll note it is drawn on the secondary side of the transformer

[@padraiggalvin2807]

This third wire is to return the voltage to where it first came from

[@WV591]

good show. Kind of like Diagnose Dan