Germany's Podracer-esque Bomber: Blohm & Voss P 170

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Күн бұрын

In this video, we talk about the Blohm & Voss P 170 , a proposed schnellbomber (fast bomber) design that (I think) strongly resembles the podracers from Star Wars. We talk about what the general concept of schnellbombers were supposed to be. We also talk about potential advantages and disadvantages of the P 170's strange design and why it would never be accepted or made in any capacity. Finally, we take a guess at how the P 170 would have performed if it had been made.

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@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
We got free coffee at my work. I doubt that whatever Blohm & Voss offered their employees was legal even at the time...
@BartoszDudziak
@BartoszDudziak Жыл бұрын
Never heard of Pervitin?
@mikeyratcliff3400
@mikeyratcliff3400 Жыл бұрын
Of course! And someone has access to herr gorbubbles stash !
@griffg55
@griffg55 Жыл бұрын
More likely BEER.
@LastGoatKnight
@LastGoatKnight Жыл бұрын
Meth? It was issued to soldiers so I wouldn't be suprised
@redtsar
@redtsar Жыл бұрын
Bet they were on Pervitin or chocolate with methamphetamine
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 Жыл бұрын
If Kelly Johnson had designed it, there would be semi-circular winglets outboard of the end nacelles... If Jack Northrop had designed it, the fuselage would be shorter, cockpit forward, and the powerplants reversed to be pushers. If Nikolai Polikarpov had designed it, he would have been ''reassigned'' to the Gulag.
@grandcrowdadforde6127
@grandcrowdadforde6127 Жыл бұрын
>> hey! don"t knock the Gulag! they got some great work out of the crinimal Tovarischs!
@realhorrorshow8547
@realhorrorshow8547 Жыл бұрын
@@grandcrowdadforde6127 Zeks, gulag prisoners - certainly "58s" political prisoners - were forbidden from addressing camp staff as "tovarisch" or referring to themselves as "Bolsheviks".
@grandcrowdadforde6127
@grandcrowdadforde6127 Жыл бұрын
@@realhorrorshow8547 >> i was being sarcastic!
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 Жыл бұрын
That's an honest way to put it. Give that one design to others and you got a different one from each designer
@12b_engineer
@12b_engineer Жыл бұрын
@grandcrowdadforde6127 why double space all the words? Makes you look like you got a stutter or something.
@jerrybailey5797
@jerrybailey5797 Жыл бұрын
Got to admit Blohm and Vost built some fascinating weird planes 👍
@Zerzayar
@Zerzayar Жыл бұрын
​@@jzsbff4801"Mustard". 😉
@ricardodavidson3813
@ricardodavidson3813 Жыл бұрын
They were definitely creative, and most of their designs from "outside the box" actually worked.
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot Жыл бұрын
G'day, Designed, certainly..., and they built some Oddball Concepts. But they Never BUILT any 3-Engined Semi-Tailless (Schnell) Bomber. (bummer...). The MOST Correct Answer, was Of Course...; The DeHavilland Mosquito... Such is Life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@jerryjeromehawkins1712
@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Жыл бұрын
Cutting edge... especially considering the year of development.
@miguelcastaneda7257
@miguelcastaneda7257 Жыл бұрын
Gotta admit nazies though we're evil built cool stuff and we're snappy dressers
@LudosErgoSum
@LudosErgoSum Жыл бұрын
One caveat you totally forget to mention and a strong reason TO NOT MAKE the design, is that each frame uses up THREE ENGINES which could be used to build three fighters of which Germany desperately needed to fight the Reich from bomber raids. The three engine design is pretty much why the project would never take off (quite literally) because those resources are too precious to the war effort at that point.
@allanparisien7976
@allanparisien7976 Жыл бұрын
There's a game I used to play called Crimson Skies...one of the planes was called a Curtiss-Wright P2 Warhawk. Amazingly similar!
@mst3kguy754
@mst3kguy754 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Cool game on PC. The X-Box-Game i have never played.
@KryptLynx
@KryptLynx Жыл бұрын
Llooks like Crimson Skies devs took all wacky aviation live ideas and put them into the game. it is not the first airplain from the game I recognize
@seanmccann8368
@seanmccann8368 Жыл бұрын
That was a brilliant game, I remember my sons playing it as kids.
@Mr.McWatson
@Mr.McWatson 8 ай бұрын
That game is still my favourite game of all time. Everything about it was just awesome. Would pay serious money for a modern version... They also used Henschel's Hs P.75 as the secret fighter you steal in that one mission.
@dangerotterisrea
@dangerotterisrea Ай бұрын
​@@seanmccann83682:30 2:30 2:3 2:31
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 Жыл бұрын
Oh, so that's what inspired that one Crimson Skies plane. I always wondered if it was based on something real, but never thought to look at bombers - the game made it a heavy fighter.
@DeetexSeraphine
@DeetexSeraphine Жыл бұрын
The P2 Warhawk, yeah, tiz less the spitting image and more a bolt-for-bolt copy. Gloriously powerful, if slow, though...
@dorsk84
@dorsk84 Жыл бұрын
I just saw this vid and this is exactly what I was thinking.
@thewritinglefty4889
@thewritinglefty4889 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw it I got serious nostalgia so that's the plane!!!
@tristikov
@tristikov Жыл бұрын
Came here to see if someone had already mentioned this lol
@marcusmoonstein242
@marcusmoonstein242 Жыл бұрын
Remember that the British Mosquito was basically a "schnellbomber" and it was arguably one of the most successful planes of the entire war. This proves that the problem in this case clearly wasn't in the idea, it was in the execution. A lightweight tri-motor fast bomber could have been a fantastic idea if it had been executed more conventionally, with the two outboard engines mounted mid-wing rather than on the ends and a conventional tail.
@GooseOfYork
@GooseOfYork Жыл бұрын
The Soviet Pe-2 "Peshka" was a pretty good schnellbomber as well, as far as I know
@peceed
@peceed Жыл бұрын
But wing tip mounting has its advantages. It makes much lower interference drag, and propellers counters vortex formations. It also makes wing construction lighter - it is a flying wing approximation.
@rbilleaud
@rbilleaud Жыл бұрын
I think the Italians might disagree with you on that score and could give you multiple examples of their own more conventionally designed tri-motors that were less than successful.
@GooseOfYork
@GooseOfYork Жыл бұрын
@@rbilleaud that's because the sm79 was outdated by ww2 standards when it came out, and was very slow despite its triple engine design.
@RundSchneemann
@RundSchneemann 11 ай бұрын
When the Mosquito appeared, Hermann Göring said "that's what I keep asking for!"
@jimfinlaw4537
@jimfinlaw4537 Жыл бұрын
Blohm and Voss had some of the wierdest designed aircraft that never made it past the drawing board. This shnell bomber is certainly no exception. There was another Blohm and Voss design where this plane was piloted from a pod at the wingtip. The second pod at the opposite wingtip served as a gunners station. Not sure how this odd aircraft would have flown. It appears that many of Blohm and Voss's designs were rather unique and ambitious.
@nox5555
@nox5555 Жыл бұрын
Thats what you get when you order aircraft from a shipyard,,,
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
@@nox5555 Blohm and Voss brough Hamburger Flugzeugbau.
@gideonsgate9133
@gideonsgate9133 Жыл бұрын
The main problem I can see is the weight at the end of the wings. It would most likely result in a roll rate that is measured in minutes not seconds.
@scullystie4389
@scullystie4389 Жыл бұрын
I could see some sort of interesting German overengineering to help with that, such as a complex auto throttle to induce engine torque as a roll rate booster.
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788 Жыл бұрын
More of a problem for a fighter. Bombers in WWII weren't exactly maneuverable.
@riconui5227
@riconui5227 Жыл бұрын
The weight overall would be a problem. Wing-tip engines would call for a more robust wing, and the third landing gear puts on the pounds. And the issue of the pilot being that far behind the CG. Interesting concept though.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 Жыл бұрын
In a bomber that's a feature, not a bug.
@thingamabob3902
@thingamabob3902 Жыл бұрын
you could have put the actual engines in mid-wing and just a connecting rod toward the end, so the propeller would be on the end doing its job regarding the vortexes and the main weight more toward the center, reducing the need to strenghten the outer wings. Also I don´t believe the rudders would have caused problems since many tailless aircraft designs ( not the flying wing ones obviously, the Rutan planes, SR-71 etc. ) had such rudders at or near the wings ... except not at or near the center of gravity which lessens their effectivity.
@timbrwolf1121
@timbrwolf1121 Жыл бұрын
Something you didn't mention is that plane would have been weird to fly. The initial g forces would be opposite of a normal aircraft as the tail cockpit swings the other way around the CoG. Then It would immediately reverse to the g forces applied to the whole plane. I imagine it would be highly discomforting
@BlackMasterRoshi
@BlackMasterRoshi Жыл бұрын
Plus bad roll rate.
@timbrwolf1121
@timbrwolf1121 Жыл бұрын
@@BlackMasterRoshi someone needs to do an analysis of the g forces santa would sustain in a dogfight.
@keithammleter3824
@keithammleter3824 Жыл бұрын
Not true. Turn radius is always far greater than the wingspan, so from the point of g-forces it makes little difference. I imagine it would seen a bit odd to fly at first, as a touch of rudder would give you a sideways sensation. Not a problem though. At one time our local bus company bought busses that had the driver's seat about 5 m forward of the front wheels. I asked a driver if it seemed odd after driving a normal cab-over bus. He said, yes, until he had turned 2 or three corners and was then used to it.
@t.c.2776
@t.c.2776 Жыл бұрын
@@keithammleter3824 yes, but wouldn't this design ten to "swing" the tail like a weight on the end of a string in a hard turn or bank and increase the G-force?
@kristianhartlevjohansen3541
@kristianhartlevjohansen3541 Жыл бұрын
I look and my 1st thought is “… hmmm outside engine failure on takeoff” 😨
@kksmith244
@kksmith244 Жыл бұрын
The pc version of Crimson Skies had an inspired version of this. That game and Il2 1946 made me fascinated with prototype/never were planes.
@robbierobinson8819
@robbierobinson8819 Жыл бұрын
Definitely B&V getting deeply into weird designs. What a horror to land with all that fuselage in front of you. I would like to build an RC model to see if it would actually fly.
@DrHundTF2
@DrHundTF2 Жыл бұрын
Someone else said they saw a video of an RC model so it may already exist
@comethiburs2326
@comethiburs2326 Жыл бұрын
any RC will fly, since they make 1000+hp per ton. now replicate the power to weight ratio of the thing... i've seen bricks and non aerodynamic objects fly because foam is just a cheatcode.
@kristianhartlevjohansen3541
@kristianhartlevjohansen3541 Жыл бұрын
@@comethiburs2326 oh the +real+ cheat code is “wing area grows by square, weight grows by cube” 🤷🏻‍♂️
@qdaniele97
@qdaniele97 Жыл бұрын
Well, in larger planes the tail section tends to be the safer one so... 😅
@sandman93449dm
@sandman93449dm Жыл бұрын
I would like to see that!
@Wombletronix
@Wombletronix Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see a simulated view from the cockpit, very unusual. I imagine taxis and take-offs would have been, er, fun.
@beejay7665
@beejay7665 Жыл бұрын
This aircraft has some beautiful lines; thanks for making this “what-if” video. With regards to vertical fin placement, Burt Rutan’s series of canard wing, pusher prop kit planes (the VariEze and LongEZ, etc) put the vertical surfaces out on the wingtips. Beautiful planes, and, like Blohm & Voss, Rutan designed some groundbreaking asymmetric and unconventional airframes. Now I’m going to find the video of the RC version one of your other viewers mentioned!
@robertwarner5963
@robertwarner5963 Жыл бұрын
A key difference with Rutan's Long-Eze canard is that main wing tips are swept well aft of the center-of-gravity, giving the outboard rudders significant leverage. This also positions those small vertical fins far enough aft that they can contribute to yaw (heading) stability. Finally, on Long-Eze, rudders only deploy outboard, making them drag-rudders ... similar to B-2 flying wing bomber.
@beejay7665
@beejay7665 Жыл бұрын
@@robertwarner5963 Robert; I’d forgotten they only deflect outward. I thought that was a great design feature, to double as speed brakes. I never made it to Oshkosh for any of the fly-ins, would love to chat with the builders
@terraplane1116
@terraplane1116 Жыл бұрын
The Handley Page HP75 Manx had the same wingtip rudders, in a pusher configuration.
@SomeOrdinaryJanitor
@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Жыл бұрын
this is a really cool design i don't think that gets talked about enough. same with some of the other Asymmetrical designs that Blohm und Voss came up with, like the P.163, or their asymmetrical flying boats.
@flatcapfiddle
@flatcapfiddle Жыл бұрын
I'm convinced these asymmetric designs where the inspiration for another Star Wars craft. The B Wing
@alexmontgomery255
@alexmontgomery255 Жыл бұрын
Unusual aircraft designs are one of my favorite topics and the P 170 is certainly one of the most.
@sandgrownun66
@sandgrownun66 Жыл бұрын
How about aircraft that actually got built? Not just some marks on a sheet of paper.
@sandgrownun66
@sandgrownun66 Жыл бұрын
@@jzsbff4801 Rare alright. Just a few doodles on a sheet of paper.
@comentedonakeyboard
@comentedonakeyboard Жыл бұрын
While loosing the war, Germany still won the weirdest Aircraft Design Award 🏆
@bazza945
@bazza945 Жыл бұрын
What were the designers smoking? It certainly wasn't tobacco.
@oscarjonesxxx2893
@oscarjonesxxx2893 Жыл бұрын
German engineers - "lets see, what kind of bomber platform and we produce that will be really different. Hold my beer while I show you my idea."
@Tony-pm5xo
@Tony-pm5xo Жыл бұрын
8:11 From what I know, having vertical stabilizers in the middle or front is very bad for side slip stability. Side slip means the plane is sorta "drifting" in the air, like it's moving to its left or right. This naturally happens when the plane rolls, for example. Intuitively, you want the rear of the plane to have more resistance than the back when it's moving sideway, so while slipping the plane has a tendency to turn towards the direction it's moving and stops the slip. Like how cars counter steer in the direction it's moving to stop drifting. Having a large tail in the back creates this sideway resistance due to having a large area on the side. A plane with a mid tail like this will have a hard time pointing towards where it's going
@sandgrownun66
@sandgrownun66 Жыл бұрын
This is nothing more than a thought in someone's head. Nothing to write a critical report about.
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 Жыл бұрын
More accurately, the Luftwaffe concentrated on shorter range, twin engine aircraft better suited to the roll of tactical bombing in support of land forces. And they may have concluded an unescorted long range bomber would be vulnerable to enemy interceptors as was the case with USAAF bombers before the P-51 came along.
@annoyingbstard9407
@annoyingbstard9407 Жыл бұрын
Starting with the Spanish civil war theLuftwaffe were quite happy bombing civilian targets in just about every European country. They just weren’t very good at it.
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 Жыл бұрын
@@annoyingbstard9407 Guernica
@elisekehle8520
@elisekehle8520 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of both a Porax 38 and a Bellbabub-22. Let's remember that the Bellbabub actually has a central rudder, so a Star Wars fantasy ship apparently adheres more closely to aerodynamic requirements than this monstrosity did.
@米空軍パイロット
@米空軍パイロット Жыл бұрын
And the Porax 38 is based off the P-38
@elisekehle8520
@elisekehle8520 Жыл бұрын
@@米空軍パイロット in name, sure but I really don't see it. The elevator does remind me a lot of the cloakshape though!
@minimalbstolerance8113
@minimalbstolerance8113 Жыл бұрын
@elisekehle8520 Was just thinking that this reminded me more of the Punishing One than a podracer. Edit: Soulless one, not Punishing One. Grievous' fighter, not Dengar's ship.
@elisekehle8520
@elisekehle8520 Жыл бұрын
@@minimalbstolerance8113 part of that is the angle of the thumbnail. Seeing the full 3-d model i get the podracer comparison a bit better- the aspect ratio is lower than it looks in this pic, but still, I think Soulless One is more like it. You meant Soulless one, right? Grievous' ship, not Dengar's?
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 Жыл бұрын
Dry humor is the best way to handle most of the paper B&V designs. They were bound and determined to be remembered for their contributions to the air war and they got their wish. They were definitely remembered. For a few silly aircraft and a LOT of silly drawings.
@neiloflongbeck5705
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
A glass of beer can also help.
@PunkinsSan
@PunkinsSan Жыл бұрын
BV company was pretty known for its strange ideas but mostly that was for saving their workers to be not sent to the frontlines
@BV-fr8bf
@BV-fr8bf Жыл бұрын
Weird paper B&V designs *OR* the Eastern front and a rifle, The choice is self evident. :) B&V's *other* notable project was the Battleship Bismarck
@hoppinonabronzeleg9477
@hoppinonabronzeleg9477 Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting into a PIO situation with this thing (Pilot Induced Oscillation). Would have been very odd looking forwards over the central engine, with a fin just to the side of you, and every stick input you put in backwards, or forwards, is magnified, by about 4 times what you are used to. Plus it is the elevator you are closest to so as you pull the stick backwards, expecting the nose to rise, instead it is the tail ie you that actually goes down!
@crabby7668
@crabby7668 Жыл бұрын
The aviation version of the wayward shopping trolley?
@SomeOrdinaryJanitor
@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Жыл бұрын
there was another one with that mid mounted stabilizers. the Kalinin K-12 was a projected tailless bomber that had a semi-flying wing design.
@bernardwills9674
@bernardwills9674 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing pilot vision for take off and landing nixes this design right off the bat?
@PunkinsSan
@PunkinsSan Жыл бұрын
If it doesn't had any periscope it would be big problem for sure
@guilletous89
@guilletous89 Жыл бұрын
Crimson Skies took inspiration of this plane with the Warhawk. What a lovely game.
@MartinG8199991
@MartinG8199991 Жыл бұрын
I think the rudder position is thought to be improved by being in the thrust line of the engines, making the rudder more effective for its size.
@robertwarner5963
@robertwarner5963 Жыл бұрын
Yes but .... its short distance aft of the center-of-gravity limits its leverage.
@kennethrodmell9006
@kennethrodmell9006 Жыл бұрын
It would have been a pig to get out of a spin.
@sandgrownun66
@sandgrownun66 Жыл бұрын
It's been rumoured that Unicorns are aerodynamically unstable too.
@thomascarmichael6760
@thomascarmichael6760 Жыл бұрын
Despite your conclusions on the design, there was a r/c model of the aircraft built and flown at an event in New York State a few years back. The name of the builder escapes me at the moment but the plans for it are available on E-Bay. Therefore there was some soundness in the design. In fact there are a number of Bhlom & Voss designs that have been built as r/c models. I personally have 2 sets of plans for the B&V 208 and the B&V 215. You never know what will or won’t work until you try it!
@matthewbittenbender9191
@matthewbittenbender9191 Жыл бұрын
It's important to note that many twin engine aircraft of this time had opposing rotating propellers to balance out the torque. Notably the p38 lightning which was an oddball of its day as well and turned out to be one of the most successful aircraft in WW2. Considering the timing of its development coinciding with jet engine development, it would be interesting to know if this design could have been adapted to jet engines and what kind of performance that may have yielded.
@Crazy_Talk96
@Crazy_Talk96 Жыл бұрын
This looks like General Grievous's star fighter
@mabbrey
@mabbrey Жыл бұрын
fantastic looking
@mauser98kar
@mauser98kar Жыл бұрын
I now need Deiselpunk 1930-1940s-esque version of pod racing.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Жыл бұрын
I made this goofy bastige a couple years ago in Simple Planes! Was really fun to build. I even stayed true to the camo by having it bi-colored. Sadly, I never uploaded it, as depression got the best of me and murdered my motivation/desire to do things I enjoy. Anyways... Nice to see this bird get a video made about it by someone! Well done.👍
@PhantomP63
@PhantomP63 Жыл бұрын
Must have been cool! Hope you’re doing better now. Wouldn’t wish that feeling on anyone.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Жыл бұрын
@@PhantomP63 Fun indeed! Especially when I slung a Pak 40 (75mm) HE cannon under each wing ☺️ _(instead of the rocket pods)_ And thank you. Headed to the cabin tomorrow, so 🤞 that will be a helpful escape! I've said the same, that I don't wish depression on even my worst enemy! 😣 Sucks a bit extra for those of us where it's genetic, and not a temporary thing. Just taking it a day, a week, a month at a time. 🙃 Take care
@martindice5424
@martindice5424 Жыл бұрын
Plus ground handling would have been a bloody nightmare! 😂😂
@terminusest5902
@terminusest5902 Жыл бұрын
Miles developed some atypical wing structures. Like the Miles M.39B Libellula. One feature was a swept wing. Also s forward canard wing. The Italian SAI-Ambrosini SS.4 had an unusual wing setup. And the Curtiss XP-55 Ascender.
@cpfs936
@cpfs936 Жыл бұрын
The stress on that wing would be ridiculous!
@andrearisso4792
@andrearisso4792 Жыл бұрын
In case of failure of one of the wingtip engines, the other wing tip engine can provide enough airflow on the rudder behind it to counteract the turning tendency. Likely, this was not possible if the rudder was placed in the tail.
@rontonkin7751
@rontonkin7751 Жыл бұрын
The jet-powered Vickers 559 had wing-tip rudders
@PunkinsSan
@PunkinsSan Жыл бұрын
I remember there was video game where you could fly something like this. Wacky but fun game
@VictorGarciaR
@VictorGarciaR Жыл бұрын
Crimson skies maybe?
@jtjames79
@jtjames79 Жыл бұрын
​@@VictorGarciaRI was going to say the same thing. I had the board game. Good stuff.
@PunkinsSan
@PunkinsSan Жыл бұрын
​@@VictorGarciaRexactly that
@dabbinghitlersmemes1762
@dabbinghitlersmemes1762 Жыл бұрын
kerbal space program the p 170 is the kind of whack you make in KSP.
@greghardy9476
@greghardy9476 Жыл бұрын
Spins would have been brutal, being so far back.
@clouddog2393
@clouddog2393 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting and the models were excellent . Let's hope the model companies realise more of the fascinating Bloom und Voss aircraft in kit form .
@edwardmorriale9358
@edwardmorriale9358 Жыл бұрын
At last! An aircraft I had no idea about. Thank you for a look at a fascinating idea.
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video my friend...... Old Navy Flying Shoe🇺🇸
@neillangridge862
@neillangridge862 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video on yet another German design I had not heard of. I think the reason having the rudders behind the engine pods ls to improve the rudder authority by putting it in the slipstream of the prop just like most single engined aircraft. There is no doubt, as you say, the poor test pilots would have had their hands full if it had been built. It's yaw characteristics would have been interesting. I would hat to have tried to side slip it into a field.
@justinhart8652
@justinhart8652 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this was a six engine plane with three rear mounted pusher engines
@karlbark
@karlbark Жыл бұрын
"Heavy" man 😉
@billietyree2214
@billietyree2214 Жыл бұрын
Our Cavalry and Infantry Generals who were in charge of the Army Air Force made the same stupid mistake with the Brewster Buffalo that Corporal Adolph Mede with the 262, they loaded them down till they couldn’t fulfill their intended function. Our Generals insisted on loading the Buffalo with self sealing tanks and armor, which the Zero wasn’t burdened with and Hitler insisted that the 262 was a bomber.
@agdgdgwngo
@agdgdgwngo Жыл бұрын
People seem to massively overrate how difficult adding bomb racks to the 262 was. As for the Buffalo, I don't think being lighter could have saved it. It's really cool an charismatic plane, the Finns had success with it, but against poorly coordinated early Soviet types. Be interesting to know if those had the self sealing tanks and armour or not.
@tastethecock5203
@tastethecock5203 Жыл бұрын
​@@agdgdgwngoEarly Soviet planes had an armor plate behind the pilot, about 7-8mm
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 Жыл бұрын
The Brewster F2A was a Navy fighter, so those above-mentioned gentlemen would've had no input. But the [Navy] Bureau of Aeronautics did load it down with silly stuff like pilot armor, more MGs, self-sealing fuel tanks, flotation devices [ping-pong balls], tailhooks, and all of that did slow it down. Finns stripped that stuff off and kicked VVS' a$$ with the Buffalo. [But, yes the Surface Navy thought they were Top Dogs before LtCmdr Genda, Minoru, IJNAS proved them wrong,] The late Fuehrer of 3rd Reich Germany was only ever a Lance Corporal. [Never an NCO]. He did have a chance at promotion, post-war, by going undercover to spy on a weird political workers party for the German Army, but he blew it by buying their line of guff, and adding his own fiery rhetoric. They liked it so well they made him their Fearless Leader.
@coastalbbq1
@coastalbbq1 Жыл бұрын
Rutan Long EZ has wingtip rudders but many other differences. Thanks for the video. I'd never heard of this A/C design.
@loganb7059
@loganb7059 Жыл бұрын
“Why can’t you just be normal?!” Blohm & Voss: _screeches_
@kiwidiesel
@kiwidiesel Жыл бұрын
Wow that's a seriously cool machine
@michastasiszyn2874
@michastasiszyn2874 Жыл бұрын
There is also the issue that this plane uses 3 very valuable BMW 801's, with not even double the payload of a FW190 fighter-bomber. The FW190 fighter-bombers can also be pressed into fighter roles in a pinch, something this plane cannot do. The Romanians asked for BMW 801's to upgrade their IAR 80's. This excerpt from wikipedia says it all: "But, as always, the Germans were unable to supply the engine as every example coming off the line was needed for installation in a German airframe. Licensed production was likewise out of the question, the engine production was in the midst of being ramped and the demand was so great that not even one set of jigs could be spared. "
@stevenhershman2660
@stevenhershman2660 Жыл бұрын
Blohm & Voss thought outside the box.
@ShadowFalcon
@ShadowFalcon Жыл бұрын
The only other aircraft with such a rudder placement that i can come up with, is the Long EZ, by Burt Rutan.
@mentorofarisia371
@mentorofarisia371 Жыл бұрын
The model @6:15 has all 3 props rotating in the same direction, based on the spiral paint on the spinners. :) And yes, the mechanicals of controlling the rudders would have been bad - cables up the fuselage, then out the wings, then back thru the engine nacelles. No fly-by-wire back then.
@mycatistypingthis5450
@mycatistypingthis5450 Жыл бұрын
Blohm & Voss really wanted dieselpunk to become a thing.
@wbertie2604
@wbertie2604 Жыл бұрын
The pod racer looks like the aircraft, Lucas being a WW2 aviation enthusiast
@iskandartaib
@iskandartaib Жыл бұрын
6:28 - Weight distribution - Actually, if most of the plane's weight was in the middle, the wings would need to resist more bending loads than if the weight was more evenly distributed along the span. Putting the engines at the tips would actually help, though not as much as if the engines were halfway between the fuselage and the wingtips. There is the issue of bending loads when the airplane is on the ground, but they've taken care of that by putting landing gear under the fuselage AND in the nacelles at the tip. The thing though, is - where to put the bombs? I suppose I can see them on pylons under the wings, which would help even out weight distribution even more...
@PhantomP63
@PhantomP63 Жыл бұрын
Sort of related, but the CRJ has limitations on how much fuel can be in the fuselage tank when the wing tanks are below a certain value for exactly this reason.
@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm
@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm 3 ай бұрын
0:27 I designed something like this as Concept Art for a steampunk game (without knowing about this design)… pretty cool. The 40s-50s was a great time to be in aerospace.
@uuzd4s
@uuzd4s Жыл бұрын
I've flown "Scale" and "Funfly" Radio control A/C for a long time. One of our best "events" is the Warbird fly In. If you've got a scale Warbird, bring it weather it 's airworthy or not. Blohm & Voss were a favorite among R/C'ers who wanted something different other than a P-51, Spitfire, ME 262 or Corsair. It's one thing that R/C'ers do pretty well and that is to build all the weird, one off or drawing board A/C that never became popular. This A/C is fascinating and though I've never seen a model of one, I'm sure there's one out there somewhere that's flown at least once ! (flying a R/C airplane once is easy, anybody can do that . . flying it twice is the hard part ; )
@leslietarkin5705
@leslietarkin5705 Жыл бұрын
Speaking as someone who's involved in the Star Wars fellowship, I'm always surprised when folks say they've never seen any Star Wars movie. The video was interesting and I learned a lot. I'd love to put together a model of this aircraft.
@lomax343
@lomax343 Жыл бұрын
You don't mention the pilot's field of vision. Possibly because he didn't have one. I can't imagine how such a plane could be taxied, let alone flown.
@dareka9425
@dareka9425 Жыл бұрын
Oh, c'mon. My easily-distracted habit is kicking in. I'm trying to finish my first Blender model of a plane for 3D printing and Yotuube showed me this beauty.
@coredog64
@coredog64 Жыл бұрын
The vertical stabilizers being so close to the wingtip engines would have the potential for additional control authority via the high speed (if somewhat dirty) air coming from the propellers.
@abryg8655
@abryg8655 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I think I've seen all of German designs there appears new video of another unknown amazing design. The abundance of aeronautics ideas from that era is mind blowing. They had tried and tested everthing available.
@Maynarkh
@Maynarkh Жыл бұрын
Blatantly inspired the Curtiss-Wright P2 Warhawk from Crimson Skies
@trentweston8306
@trentweston8306 Жыл бұрын
I love the far out designs of WW2 the Triebflügel is my favourite by far but this is amazing as well.
@M4xFr4gg
@M4xFr4gg Жыл бұрын
Wait, this plane was in Crimson Skies! I had no idea this was a real design
@BHuang92
@BHuang92 Жыл бұрын
Blohm & Voss never fail in some very weird designs........
@S1nwar
@S1nwar Жыл бұрын
the lack of of a rudder behind the cockpit is weird. the lever effect on that position would be amazing. they could easily safe the mass of both these siderudders
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788 Жыл бұрын
Shame they didn't get built, seriously cool looking design. Reminds me of something from the 90s cartoon 'TaleSpin'
@grogon9614
@grogon9614 Жыл бұрын
Wow, you really missed out then. I was a teenager when Star Wars came and it was fantastic, the start of good special effects. Then came Alien, what a time to be alive.
@Kualinar
@Kualinar Жыл бұрын
The ruder at the wing tip can help further reduce the wing tip vortices, potentially eliminating them entirely.
@rollfpeters5159
@rollfpeters5159 Жыл бұрын
Nicely explained --thx rollf
@HellecticMojo
@HellecticMojo Жыл бұрын
Blohm and Voss seems like those smartass kids who always had to do go weirdly extra in their school projects.
@alessiodecarolis
@alessiodecarolis Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine what kind of nightmare would've been driving this.....thing, with a total lack of forward visibility. The RAF was able to field a real, efficient fast bomber without too problems, the great Mosquito (Ok, it was a private venture). Plus, the JU88 lost at least 100km/h when the RLM added armour, a 4th crewman and the airframe had to be reinforced for Luftwaffe 's obsession with dive-bombing.
@billt6116
@billt6116 Жыл бұрын
What The P38 shared a common configuration with that twin rudder, And it was a success, But they put those twin rudders at the aft end of the aircraft! I bet this thing was real fun to bring in on the landing strip!
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248 Жыл бұрын
It really is a thing of beauty. Aside from the death bombs that is.
@the_unrepentant_anarchist.
@the_unrepentant_anarchist. Жыл бұрын
That's *almost* the coolest looking thing *ever!* I wonder if any model kits of it exist..? 🤔 🍄
@trace6242
@trace6242 Жыл бұрын
Ten years ago I never would have said this, but you're not missing much when it comes to Star Wars. Just more corporatized schlock for the lowest common denominator.
@davidgifford8112
@davidgifford8112 Жыл бұрын
The vertical rudder positions make sense. Frequently, at the time, rudders were placed directly behind engines. This ensured optimum authority for minimum surface area of rudder. The benefits being lighter weight and minimised drag.
@michaeldombrowski9193
@michaeldombrowski9193 Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard of the P.170 was when Squadron listed the 1/72nd scale resin model of it in their monthly catalog just once before 2004 It sold out immediately even though it was expensive. Despite, my doubts that the plane ever flew, I dutifully added it to a book on trimotor airplanes of the world where I documented 355 types aircraft that I was working on at the time. I spent too much time trying to find a photo of the plane and finally decided that it had only ever existed on paper. Based on aircraft like the DeHaviland Mosquito which achieved a higher top speed than contemporary fighters by using multiple Rolls Royce Merlin engines with a very clean aerodynamic design, I concluded since it was meant to use 3 BMW 801D radial engines of 1,860 hp each that the designers speed estimate of 510 moh may have been feasible depending on the load. If not, certainly 470 mph.
@silverdale3207
@silverdale3207 Жыл бұрын
I had a microlight with the odd tip rudders on it, no tail but a canard at the front as an elevator. It was called a Pterodactyl, the tip rudders basically just induced yaw. It was an odd thing to fly and I was pleased to sell it and get something more conventional.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 Жыл бұрын
The twin fin design helps with the control issues in case of an engine failure you mentioned. You have a vertical tail in the propwash of the still operable engine, making it more effective.
11 ай бұрын
It's the other way around someone saw this Gem of a technological fantasy and said hey we can use this idea for a movie
@dialNforNinja
@dialNforNinja Жыл бұрын
Your logo is so cool~!
@PieterHalveLiter
@PieterHalveLiter Жыл бұрын
Went back to see his loge 😂
@thomasdouglas7525
@thomasdouglas7525 Жыл бұрын
The Japanese J7W1 had wingtip mounted rudders as did the McDonnell XF-85 though to a lesser extent since it also had a rear-fuselage mounted vertical stabilizer.
@tobiasgoeller6592
@tobiasgoeller6592 Жыл бұрын
The main reason for the fins being behind the two outer engines is two-fold. First.... the propellers will automatically blow air over the fins making them highly efficient. Second... with tose three engines being very big the tail fin would need to be massive - which is negatively affecting storageability of the aircraft (it's already quite big). The P38 had a similar design. The lockheed constellation (and super constellation) had three small fins instead of one big. The stability problems of the SAM-7 are more related to the lack of elevator - which the P170 clearly has. In addition the SAM-7 is a Single Engine Aircraft with the fin not being affected by any force created by the propeller. this affects the manouverability at low speeds in a massive way.
@billeudy8481
@billeudy8481 Жыл бұрын
The Rutan Long EZ has a similar rudder design but the (single) engine is in the back of the fuselage. The pilot is further forward and the stabilator is a canard type in front of the pilot.this a/c is exceptionally stable and it suggests that the B&V design was not particularly well sorted out.
@ShepardFR
@ShepardFR Жыл бұрын
Legends don't see a pod-racer, they see the P2 Warhawk.
@waynetemplar2183
@waynetemplar2183 Жыл бұрын
I’m convinced Blohmm & Voss were trolling the entire military aviation industry
@hagerty1952
@hagerty1952 Жыл бұрын
The X-20/Dyna-Soar had vertical stabs and rudders only at the wing tips. While they never flew one (due to project cancellation) there were six airframes under construction at the time of termination. 14,000 hours of wind tunnel design showed that it was stable in subsonic, supersonic, hypersonic, all the way up to Mach 20 (which it did at reentry).
@monkeypainter808
@monkeypainter808 Жыл бұрын
The rudder location is probably to take advantage of the thrust from the engines. that way they can be made smaller over all lighter airframe.
@gregorycoogle7621
@gregorycoogle7621 Жыл бұрын
I really like the aircraft design! I probably was developed too late into World War II
@ZeroFoxtrotGolf
@ZeroFoxtrotGolf Жыл бұрын
A version of this plane was used in Crimson Skies. An awesome alternate history setting full of concept aircraft and pulp fiction of the early 20th century.
@nannigiovannetti8519
@nannigiovannetti8519 Жыл бұрын
Landing visibilty must have been horrible, yikes...
@VOTENO-f2l
@VOTENO-f2l Жыл бұрын
As a light aircraft pilot...that thing would be a horror to fly, take off and Land...especially Take Off!!!!
@evilchaosboy
@evilchaosboy Жыл бұрын
I like it. It prolly wouldn't ta worked very well, but it sure looks neat! It wasn't mentioned, but it looked to me that from wing tip to wing tip, it seemed exceptionally wide. If I'm correct, that would be another disadvantage. Good show!!
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 Жыл бұрын
Blohm & Voss did create some of my favorite weird aviation designs. And yes, I'm sure they inspired more than one Star Wars and other sci-fi fantasy vehicle. On another note, was there a fighter version of the P-170? I think the Luftwaffe did have a thing, too, for heavy fighters capable of taking out bombers quickly.
@noldo3837
@noldo3837 Жыл бұрын
Well, in my eyes, I would say that it was so laughably bad and absurd that it would fit into SW.
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 Жыл бұрын
@@noldo3837 Exactly! Perfect for a fantasy universe that doesn't worry about aerodynamics or engineering logic. It fills the "make it look cool" requirement.
@rontonkin7751
@rontonkin7751 Жыл бұрын
In fairness, it too was just a proposed aircraft, but interesting that the design was still being considered even into the mach 2+ jet age
@AB-bw5yc
@AB-bw5yc Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool. The do335 is still my favorite ww2 aerial oddity
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