Ilmarinen & the Sampo: Can't Forge Love - Finnish Myth - Extra Mythology

[@extrahistory]

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[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

You always make My day better with your content guys! Love You all❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@VodShod]

but frodo didn't cast the ring into the fires. It was taken by dobby and who failed a dex save and fell into the fire.

[@hullutsuhna]

please do Väinämöinen vs. Joukahainen singing contest as well (whether or not you wish to include the tragic story of Aino, I leave up to you.)

[@jolotabani]

you should have released this video in Kalevala day in 28th of February. But thank you regardless.

[@hmmkin6729]

As a Finn, i approve pagan Finnic mythology eps.

[@wynfrithnichtwo8423]

Not a Finn but agree all the same.

[@eliplayz22]

You're honestly the first Finn I've ever encountered anywhere xD

[@Unenvarjo]

Perkele! Torille!

[@jeremiasrobinson]

Very kaunis.

[@joelmattila6735]

As an fellow fin yes

[@iulaihe51299]

fun fact the Finnish myth for the northern lights is also beautiful once upon a time before the time of humans the god of the moon wanted to light up the night sky so he called the animals of the world to become constellations. a mother bear and her cub where the first to ascend when it came to the last animal the moon god saw a little fox and didn't want him to be lonely so he braided his tail with blades of grass and ice and told him to race his friends like he usually did which Is why the northern lights still shine to this very day

[@ShadowGrimsy]

And suddenly the term "revontulet" (lit. "fox's fires") makes sense.

[@gundamheavyarms4879]

Thank you for sharing this beautiful tale!

[@AuxiliaryHillman]

I believe you got that version from the animated short film "fox fires" which is inspired by the finnish word for "revontulet" but the story is not from actual mythology

[@iulaihe51299]

@sake60000 I might have but either way ain't it an awesome story

[@Sienisota]

​@@AuxiliaryHillman word "revontulet" is older than TV. I don't know about the story, but the word wasn't from any animation.

[@wikiuser92]

As a Finn, I'm so happy to see Finnish stuff, be it mythology or history, covered on this channel. The tale continues roughly like this: Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen later set out to retrieve the Sampo. Väinämöinen sings a song that puts the people of Pohjola asleep, but once Louhi wakes up, she's furious to see the Sampo gone. She casts various spells in an attempt to stop the heroes, even transforming herself into a giant bird. Ultimately, the Sampo itself shatters into pieces, but Väinämöinen uses some of the shards that washed ashore to grant people some prosperity for their crop fields. This is just a brief summary, likely getting some details wrong, but that's how this story continues.

[@goranohlsson9235]

But how about when he ploued the snake fields and killed the massive ged (hauki) to get her hand in marrage? Source: Koirien kalevala, Mauri kunnas

[@wikiuser92]

@@goranohlsson9235 Those happened too, yes. He made a kantele from the ged's jawbone, which he gave to Väinämöinen. He lost it during the fight for the Sampo, though.

[@awesomehpt8938]

In Finland they’re actually pretty good at carpentry. They always add a nice Finnish to their work.

[@chrisorg5572]

I wasn't expecting that😂😂

[@ZecaPinto1]

Bró...

[@ZecaPinto1]

That's like the hungry hungarian joke

[@Cant_go_outside]

@@ZecaPinto1if your hungry, eat some turkey but beware it may have Greece on it

[@EingeborenerVollblutmischling]

🤦‍♂️🤣

[@MKmarkka841]

Please please PLEASE, can you make the Kalevala into a full mythology series!!!

[@Packless1]

...yes, please...! 🤩🤩🤩

[@wikiuser92]

I support this idea!

[@Hawkfire360]

The Day The Earth Froze is one of my top MST3K episodes, so the minute I saw "Sampo" in the title I buckled in.

[@ToasterFrog-dv6wk]

"Kids come running for the rich taste of Sampo."

[@theemries4766]

For once, a myth that actually teaches good relationship skills!

[@ferretyluv]

I’d say Izanami and Izanagi teaches good relationship skills, as in, what NOT to do.

[@ChenAnPin]

Definitely not a Greek tale featuring Zeus

[@mysticone2112]

I believe in a varient of the myth, the sampo got dropped into the ocean, causing the endless salt to pour out and thus making the sea salty.

[@TheUglyGnome]

It's not a variant. It's canon. It happened after Ilmarinen got pissed off for not getting Rainbow Maiden. He and Väinämöinen stole Sampo from Louhi. Louhi of course didn't like this and raided their boat. In the middle of the battle Sampo fell into the bottom of the sea.

[@wikiuser92]

Actually, the Sampo shatters upon falling into the sea, but Väinämöinen uses its shards to grand prosperity for the Finnish crop fields. The salt mill is a separate myth.

[@qwertyqwerty-ek7dy]

It happens after this part

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

@@TheUglyGnomeThere is no canon in this sort of thing. There are endless variants of these stories and they changed dramatically over time and by location.

[@TheUglyGnome]

@@GOAT-rl2uq There is in this one, because it was collected into a book in 1800's.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

wow a Myth in which Consent actually gets respected & is the lesson, impressive

[@bobs_toys]

So no turning into a bull before he....

[@abcde_5949]

You have just summoned all of Finland with this episode. I'd really like to hear more of Kalevala

[@abcdef27669]

“This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, ever” - Illmarinen, returning home.

[@salamanderred8148]

True. But then again sometimes I wonder what is his true ability? I mean, yes, Sampo is "invented" as there is no one knows what a Sampo should be, it's a novel Artifact at that time. But throwing stuff inside, do nothing else, and pulling stuff like it's a loot box and hoping it'll give you good results? I remembered Kalevala from Uncle Scrooge Adventures, and I always thought that Ilmarinen is indeed has godlike Ability and godlike imagination to be able to create Sampo. But after seeing this... Creating Sampo in his case, is more of pure luck, good conditioning and good relationship with the four winds, rather than skills. He didn't even hammer or tamper that thing even once while it's in the process, or think what it should be. Anything out of that furnace can be called Sampo, and no one can complain, IMHO, since Sampo is a non existent thing before he created it. LOL.

[@RamblingGamer]

Thanks for talking about my native mythology, Finnish mythology is so underrated, even though it's so interesting! ❤

[@eevilauntie]

Special commendation for the bravery needed to try and pronounce big Finnish words. Your Väinämöinen was spot on!

[@PiiskaJesusFreak]

Wow, wasn't expecting Finnish mythology to be covered! Very happy about this. And you even managed a decent pronunciation on Finnish names!

[@ChesireWaltz]

And with this I found what my DnD group will be doing when they meet a divine artificer looking for adventurers to help him collect his wayward creations he's making to impress a potential mother in law! This is a lovely story with an awesome ending. What a lesson!

[@Abdega]

“Why do all my creations act like murderhobos now?” “Hmm…”

[@WillHammer93]

As a Finn, reading the moral for this story as good communication is kinda funny since we are generally considered to be extremely introverted and laconic. I would love for EC (EH? EM??) to cover Kullervo, who's story was retold by Tolkien himself!

[@cerberus144]

SAMPO! One of the best episodes of Mystery Science Theatre 3000

[@joarlarsson6132]

Finally an episode on finnish mythology. Im very happy.🇫🇮🇸🇪 Also, fun fact, Gandalf may have been partially based on Väinämöinen.

[@ferretyluv]

Pretty sure he was based on Odin. Other parts of LOTR were based on the Kalevala, though. Like Middle Earth and Mordor. The Sampo is definitely the One Ring.

[@joarlarsson6132]

​​​@@ferretyluvTúrin Turambar is Kullervo and I am pretty sure that the One Ring is based on the Andvaranaut from norse mythology.

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

@@ferretyluvIt's both. Väinämöinen and Odin are also quite closely connected.

[@TomiTapio]

Wand Elf the archangel (forbidden to Use Big Spells)

[@Sienisota]

​@@ferretyluv Tolkien learnt Finnish (not an easy language) just to read original Kalevala. One version of Tolkien's elvish is obviously based on Finnish language, with same words. Gandalf is same angel demi god like being like Väinämöinen was. Odin was more distant god that was worshipped and given sacrifices (sometimes hanged humans). Väinämöinen was a wise and powerful wizard/Tietäjä ("one who knows things"), a figure you could seek out for advice, but don't worship or give sacrifices to. Väinämöinen collected others to his adventures and was not all knowing. Väinämöinen is literally called the "grey one" (Harmaahapsi). ... In the character of Gandalf, Tolkien clearly was influenced more by Finnish folklore, not Odin from Norse myths.

[@FleezyFliits]

The next part of the story wasn't exactly a heroic tale, with Ilmarinen gathering a crew of the greatest heroes of Finnish myth to kidnap his bride and steal the Sampo, but it's an exciting tale nonetheless, with Kaiju and Karma alike.

[@hullutsuhna]

not sure what to think of Iku-Turso as a Kaiju, to Karelians he was a literal monster sure, but to Yemi (or Tavasteans as they would come to be known as) he was the god of war...

[@danielmalinen6337]

It's actually an antiheroic story, Louhi legally owns Sampo and they go to steal it. Their reason for the theft is that Sampo brings prosperity and well-being only to the North, while the rest of the world suffers from withering and barrenness at the same time and if they go to steal Sampo from Louhi, they will get good and the North will suffer. But while Väinämöinen, Imarinen and the others are on their way back home, Louhi catches the thieves, they start fighting and as a result Sampo breaks down and falls into the sea, so no one can catch Sampo and all the seas becomes salty.

[@danielmalinen6337]

​​@@hullutsuhna​ In several non-Kalevala poems, Iku-Turso (or Turilas, or Tursas, or Tuuri, or Tuura) is also a different/parallel name for Äijö and Kaleva who have generally been regarded more as deities than as cryptic or mythical sea monsters. It has also been said to be Väinämöinen's father. But these are the things that Elias Lönnrot edited out when he wrote and harmonized the Kalevala. (Plus the Agricola's List of Gods also mentions the Hämäläinen war god Turisas who gave victory in war.)

[@elpizo1789]

Shout out to the people who, like me, learned about the Kalevala from the Uncle Scrooge story "The Quest for Kalevala" by Don Rosa.

[@wikiuser92]

Don Rosa is really popular in Finland, so he was happy to make a tale based on the country that likes him so much.

[@salamanderred8148]

Uncle Scrooge Adventures teached me a lot about other cultures more. Props to Don Rosa.

[@JusushiKun]

As a Finn, I always love to hear non Finnish speakers try to pronounce our names, even if missed by a lot, it brings me joy because they atleast try to learn a little how to pronounce Finnish :3 And just to add to the ending there, He was not happy, for he did all that work for nothing. So later he and some other men went and stole the Sampo back. But that war trip did not go according to plan. I let you dear readers find about it yoursleves, because the Story of Kalevale, is one amazing tale to read.

[@Azerinth]

I get excited when i see random myths that i recall from a book of myths i read to death in my childhood. What i recall of this one was that the Sampo eventually got broken and the salt producing part fell into the sea, which is why it's so salty. And that "how the blank got its blank" kind of myth is my favorite.

[@safaiaryu12]

I love those, too! It's so interesting how different peoples made sense of the world.

[@aramisdagaz9]

One of my favorite episodes of Mystery Science Theater 3000 was when they riffed The Day the Earth Froze, a Finno-Soviet movie based on the Kalevala. One of the running gags was that Joel and the bots didn't know what the heck a Sampo was, so it was hilarious to find out that apparently Ilmarinen didn't know either!

[@0DemiUrge0]

Here's hoping for the sequel to this awesome episode! The plot really thickens after Ilmarinen gets back home

[@Babbleplay]

If you know what a sampo is, write it down on a piece of paper, throw it away, and try not to think about it. You'll be glad you did! MST3K reference, for the clueless.

[@ShanRenxin]

Dang it, ya beat me to the punch! Keep circulating the tapes.

[@lexofexcel886]

Well now that we actually know what it is, we can hate the hero of "The Day the Earth Froze" for breaking it all the more.

[@IliyaMoroumetz]

​@@lexofexcel886Lemenkainen wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack.

[@AcidUsagi]

As a Finn I assure you that this is the most sane telling of our mythology.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

I love how the faces add to this story. Gotta love how the animation plays with amusing expressions.

[@girl1213]

Never got into Finnish mythology, but this certainly peaked my interest

[@jameswolf133]

Pedantry time: it’s ’piqued.’

[@girl1213]

@@jameswolf133 🙄🙄 Grammer nitpickers

[@jameswolf133]

@@girl1213 Grammar.

[@girl1213]

@@jameswolf133 Case in point

[@Packless1]

4:58 ...Frodo-impresion...! 😜😉 ...nice reference to Tolkien / Lord-of-the-Ring...because he got LOTS of inspiration from the finnish Kalevalla-epic...! 😁

[@THECHEESELORD69]

I listen to the playlist when I got to sleep, so I sometimes randomly wake up to the history of the Incan civilization, or about ww1, or about Japanese militarism, very fun times, keep up the good work!

[@rokka7188]

There was also a detail of those items and Sampo itself, being made from materials like swan feathers and so forth, I believe. Also the 'golden maiden', which Ilmarinen also created, a metallic woman for a wife of his own, who she ultimately rejected the smith god, for she did not have a heart to requite that love for him and requested to be thrown back into the fire. You could technically read her as a robot.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

This is one of my favourite Mythology episodes, the story and everything, great job!

[@Oxtocoatl13]

Would love to see a sequel to this, where Väinämöinen, Ilmarinen and all their mythological friends try to steal the Sampo. This was great work!

[@ambarrose]

This one was a tale I had my first contact through Scrooge MCDuck and the Disney comics. They made an adaptation of the Sampo tale and I dug it.

[@literarycarrotmuncher]

The wind carries the name of my homeland. The market square beckons.

[@MKmarkka841]

Now this was a very nice suprise for the start of the year! Love me some native finish mythology :DDD

[@wikiuser92]

Fellow Finn here, and I couldn't agree more!

[@ZayZoot]

FINALLY, A FINNISH EPISODE.

[@AyakenSJTindo]

Please do the next episode of the ensuing chase and battle for the Sampo 🗡️🌊

[@caliburn1123]

Wish you finished the tale. And the great writer this tale inspired.

[@hellainepinetree]

You guys are amazing, I watch you every day-once I’m in a more stable financial situation I’m going to definitely donate to you ❤❤

[@germanomagnone]

the name "Sampo" I think is a drum or other type of musical instrument. It is logical that "Can't Forge Love" (perhaps only "metal" friendship) can be said that love is like a rose that must be cared for and held with respect (so as not to prick itself).

[@emom358]

Thanks! Love hearing mythology from other lands. ❤

[@extrahistory]

Thank you so much for supporting the show! We love delving into lore around the world.

[@AnttiLipp]

Tortilla avataan! But nice touch with the Frodo impression line as Tolkien based a lot of TLOTR on Kalevala

[@MinistryofChaosTV]

Any Metal fans here? Check out Skyforger by Amorphis - first track is named Sampo and a lot of it - and their other works - are related to the Kalevala and Finnish mythology 🇫🇮

[@edyuen5363]

This reminded me of a movie I saw as a child, I couldn't recall what it was called, and that it was a 'foreign' film so was also dubbed over in English. But after a short search on IMDB, the movie 'Sampo' came up and a the images were pretty bang on from my memories. The Sampo in this case was forged as payment for a sister being taken hostage. The hero then attempts to recover his people's treasure but the Sampo is destroyed in the escape. But a small portion of it remained in the hero's possession and was used to light the night sky while the hero went to rescue his sister again from the witch. The smith in turn forged a 'golden' harp string to string a musical instrument that was played to mesmerise the witch's forces and kept them from fighting.... Don't ask how I can recall so much info, but I also recalled that the movie was a Finnish film, even back then....

[@OfficerVarVarna]

Try to incorporate the new information, into my next Noita run! Take care my fellow Minä's

[@Queen1001N]

5:01 Fun fact: This story was one of Tolkien’s inspiration for his book, The Silmarillion.

[@rachel_sj]

“You made her the Sampo?” “You mean the thing that makes gold, and salt, and stuff?” Who else is an MST3K nerd having quotes from The Day the Earth Froze playing in their head too? 😅

[@qdHazen]

🎵 He failed to bring back the Sampo! (Sampo!) We shall die of starvation (Sampo!) Failure, failure, he's a total failure! He's a loser and a chump! 🎶

[@rachel_sj]

@@qdHazen Well at least he brought the Sampo Homegame

[@thequietdreamer2186]

"Are you with the bride, or the failure?"

[@ryansauchuk7290]

The Sampo could've saved it

[@zen_of_chloe]

If everybody had a spruce tree / Across Finlandia 🎵

[@Kone5497]

Awesome! Thanks for finally getting into my native mythology!

[@graceisdeceased5238]

I love the Finnish mythology and would love to see more, its not as widely covered as greek or norse mythology. So from a Finn, thank you!!

[@ZayZoot]

You forgot about the fact that Ilmarinen and some friends tried to steal the sampo after being denied their rewards, and in the process it was destroyed with the parts landing in the sea, all while the salt mill of the sampo still working and slowly making the sea salty.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

LOVE MYTHOLOGY! Thanks For this Guys 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@paulavery1912]

TY for the folklore because I enjoy hearing a well-told story! And would like to visit Finland one day to see what it looks like for myself.

[@sptownsend999]

I love this story and the moral! I wish I would have heard it when I was in Kindergarten!

[@gurnarok]

Greetings from Finland, had to immidietly watch this. Hopefully we get more Finnish content 😊

[@SoGoodContent]

What a WONDERFUL take with a fantastic lesson. Thanks for sharing!

[@NachoMountDewCat]

Yey Kalevala's stories.

[@kronasdese]

Great topic! Would love it if characters or important item plots have a subtitle so we know how they are spelled in their own language. Thanks!

[@TheUglyGnome]

The great wizard, brother of Ilmarinen: Väinämöinen The evil wizard: Louhi Louhi's land: Pohjola (could be translated as the northern land) Rainbow maid: No name, just referred as Pohjolan tytär (daughter of Pohjola); "Rainow maid" comes from her heavenly seat being the rainbow

[@kronasdese]

@@TheUglyGnome thanks for this. It really helps.

[@bobs_toys]

Dangerous. Eventually he'll get onto Welsh.

[@hullutsuhna]

@@bobs_toys only fair as inhumane strings of vowels SHOULD be followed by ungodly strings of consonants.

[@bobs_toys]

@@hullutsuhnaGod.... Imagine if the Finns had conquered England instead of the Anglos and Saxons. And then that went on to become the globally dominant language. Your average children's book about a monkey chasing a balloon would need to be printed as a Tolkienesque trilogy.

[@TheHorzabora]

Rock on, Finns, your myths are epically metal and crazy.

[@MaaZeus]

While english (and probably some other languages too) people call something that is "printing money" (be it a product or business idea or whatever) a goose that lays golden eggs, we Finnish people call it Rahasampo, or Money Sampo. Even though nobody has any idea what it actually is the Sampo still lives on in our language as anything that produces wealth.

[@iryanmadayana1904]

"The days... they blend into the nights The moon, the sun unite Order of stars expires A wonder is born" 🎶

[@ebonyblack4563]

For a moment I thought this was going to turn into a seasons myth in the Persephone & Hades way, but it was better.

[@R0dolphus]

You pronounced the names surprisingly well, not perfectly, but it's a commendable effort.

[@bobs_toys]

It must be nice. I'm developing a twitch from whenever presenters butcher Chinese names that are really simple in English. Just put in the basic effort. Listen to a name instead of only reading it. I'll stop before I rant.

[@RikuTheFinlander]

Love your show and especially appreciate this episode👍 -From Finland with love🇫🇮❤

[@sandejunior]

Hell ya, this is what i've been waiting for. Great pronounciation!

[@BasicNoobs]

I could never see extra history ever having there characters without their floating hands

[@Sacharius]

Oh to see the day when Extra Credits makes a Mythology series on Kalevala and a History series on Mannerheim (or someone, but personally I think Mannerheim has the wildest stories)

[@cwolvie]

If YOU know what a Sampo is, write it on a piece of paper, throw it away and then try not to think about it. You'll be glad you did! SAMPO!

[@MeteorSage]

"Sampo Ask for it by name!"

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content guys! Please consider colombian mithology like la patasola! Huge fan of you all🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@sethmaki1333]

My father's lineage comes from the hills outside of Helsinki, hence our surname. I'd love to see more of these, maybe a telling of the Kalevala.

[@Shalor93]

You got some of the pronunciations pretty spot on, A for effort.

[@Mernon4ym6661]

This should just become its own channel

[@alfrancisbuada2591]

It's good to learn more about other countries mythologies

[@biohazard724]

We love a story about how important communication is

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

A portrayal of Ilmarinen and depiction of selected tales from the Kalevala can be found in the 1959 movie Sampo (film).

[@mixingbowl5681]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR FINNISH RELATED CONTENT YEEEEEEEES

[@Rhomega]

I've heard of the Sampo because it's part of the plot of The Day The Earth Froze, as featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000.

[@blaster915]

Lesson learned. ALWAYS READ THE CONTRACT DISCLAIMER 😂😂

[@emilandersen2195]

I love how my main source for thus myth is from the Donald Duck comics. More specifically from Don Rosa.

[@kocronashi]

A mythology where a maiden has autonomy and a say in her marriage partner (without ending in tragedy for her)! Heck yeah!

[@SomebodyCalledDani]

This is the best belief in the world

[@Grill_Boss]

I didnt know noita was so cool they made a whole mythology for it no way man

[@TheRoark]

I like how all the streaming services get plausibly deniable parodies but max is just max lol

[@sirlobster546]

That's some pretty impressive pronunciation of Finnish! Apart from Pohjola (Poh-jo-la) but definitely close enough!

[@kuukeli]

thank you for the video and kudos for pronunciation of the finnish words

[@angrynightmob]

If you know what a sampo is, write it down on a piece of paper, throw it away, and try not to think about it. You'll be glad you did!

[@kingalfred2014]

Kids come running for the rich taste of Sampo!

[@Cameroo]

SAMPO! Its fun to say!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Great work as always guys! These midweek videos are awesome! Hearth please❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Ryu_D]

Thank you for the video.

[@benjaminnelson5455]

The version I heard, years ago, was that the Sampo took orders to make anything, but was locked away because it couldn't be told to stop making.

[@Ornzora]

Plot twist : The Loi Witch don't know what a sampo even is, she just want something precious to keep

[@gunjfur8633]

*Louhi

[@aidanjackson5084]

Hearing the word "Sampo" in this video reminded me of the character of the same name from "Honkai: Star Rail" Just thought I'd mention that

[@ItsAweeb]

Finally some finnish myths!

[@madskristiansen]

Next time: The epic quest to steal the Sampo!

[@Gwydda]

A fantastic video! Nailed the pronunciation too. None of them were gods though, more like heroes from the mythical past.

[@anderskorsback4104]

Well, it varies by time and place, there were different regional variants of the same mythology. The Kalevala isn't a complete compilation of Finnish mythology, just one folklorist's attempt to create and edit a coherent whole from story fragments that often contradicted each other.

[@jameswolf133]

“Is it Sampo yet?” “He’s a failure, a failure… we’re all going to die!”

[@odemanthegreat]

wow i did not think you would make a video on finnish mythology

[@anttibjorklund1869]

Never heard the Pohjan neito being called the Rainbow Maiden