How Inflated are New Truck Prices?

[@christopherthompson9642]

Older trucks are better than anything today. I’m staying out of the market until manufacturers and dealers come back to reality

[@dhtango]

They are not coming back and never will.

[@Gmanautonut]

@@dhtango? Prices are already coming down a little bit Need to not buy new and they will come down lower

[@shalee48]

I Agree Tim

[@WyattBuckland-hc6vi]

Your 2002 will run circles around the new junk being produced today.. keep the 02’ and forget about the new stuff

[@phillipblount5541]

I 2nd, 3rd, and 4th this right chere. ^

[@Rick-qf5de]

My 2000 Chevy Silverado is averaged 7 cents a mile , for complete preventive maintenance , and breakdowns... I think she will wear out the 7th set of new tires.... ? 😮

[@danniecurlett8702]

Not with the 6.2 in it

[@HatBilly2008]

The new are cellphones on wheels only

[@billystennett7518]

Keep the 2002 truck

[@ima4ster]

That's one of my options. It runs great, but needs a paint job. I'm looking for a reasonable paint job since truck shopping.

[@erniearruda8861]

@@ima4ster a good body work and paint job is a lot cheaper then a newer truck that’s runs you $40 thousand

[@Moonless6491]

@@ima4ster You get a new engine, transmission and paint job for 1/3 the price of the new stuff. I've given up and have resigned myself to my old trucks

[@Peculiarsafe83]

And that’s a fact. The 2002 truck was made before planned obsolescence fully set in.

[@marshallforeman2051]

Yeah they got the planed obsolescence figured out real good, their is no way in hell I would spend 60k plus on something that’s going to be breaking down all the time or in the shop all the time

[@upforanadventure3039]

4 cyl turbo and longevity are not words that go together.

[@ima4ster]

I don't have any experience with the TurboMax engine, but that was my feeling after driving it. I'm not willing to take the chance.

[@dave3657]

I only had one turbo, and it wasn’t durable.

[@drewdevon2009]

i dont see why people think that. i see lots of used turbo 4 cylinders with over 100K miles on them, over 200K miles on them, etc. we may prefer the sound and feel of a V8 but with good maintenance practices i dont see why a turbo 4 cylinder wouldnt last

[@ag4allgood]

Turbo engines require more maintenance to keep running right. Don't be missing oil changes or the regular maintenance items in the owners manual. Especially the cooling system needs to be 100% . Any over heating issues & shutting it down right away is the best way to prevent Big engine damage.

[@markkus1134]

@@ag4allgoodexactly higher maintenance more upfront cost and reduced reliability

[@ciscokidfab7595]

I would keep the 2002, it true and tested. The price isn’t the problem with these new trucks, reliability is.

[@sabastian4858]

Income level have not kept pace with inflation rates. That is what is making these vehicles unaffordable in today's market.

[@donhebel1011]

And all the new tech, bigger wheels, elecric everything, all the mandated safety features, etc etc. drives the crazy high prices for even mid level models. Sooo. If you can, just don't buy until the bottom drops out, and it will. Pickups are soon to be incentivised bigly to move them... either that or dealerships will go under.

[@josephvoytus3694]

​@@donhebel1011 Never gonna happen. WAY too many folks trade in their barely used trucks every 2-3 years cause they have to have the latest and greatest.

[@timr31908]

That's not the problem at all... The Democratic party have destroyed the value of money.. what are you going to do pick it for higher wages.. these price increases show what the value of money is😊 it takes a lot more money to buy something these days

[@josephvoytus3694]

@@timr31908 picket for higher wages. Yes, should be happening all across this country.

[@Veronica-bc8yj]

Agenda 2030 is driving up prices too.

[@upforanadventure3039]

Do not pay MSRP. That’s part of the reason we’re in this mess.

[@ima4ster]

I've never paid anywhere near MSRP. The odd thing is that the sales managers weren't willing to negotiate much at all on 2024 models at year end.

[@kmb957]

@@ima4ster the buyer has all the power. Lay down your terms and walk away. If the dealer wants to sell it bad enough, they will call you.

[@kmb957]

Blame the consumers. They keep paying the prices.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

Blame irresponsible and reckless government spending on creating hyperinflation inflation the last 4 years. Keep sending money to other countries

[@kmb957]

@BrianWaller-qe7gr yet people keep buying.

[@lefttea]

Dealers discovered during covid idiots would pay thousands over msrp, so they raised msrp. Cycle continues. As long as people pay it, they'll charge it.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

@ crazy that there’s still dealers out there charging “market adjustments “ aka markups.

[@OperationFrigateBird]

except we have a society that is comprised of 'haves' and have nots' with a huge gulf between. The 'haves' claim it's because they are successful and learned how to write code and analyze 'big data'. They scoff at everyone else. So, if you're blaming the 'haves', then yes.

[@tlr-nut7275]

On the Canadian Dodge website, a loaded Durango with the Hellcat motor is $168,000 plus tax ($191,000 out the door). With 6% financing, that'll be over $250,000. Nuts!

[@aaron___6014]

Vote the pretty boy out.

[@daanm183]

In Alberta they are crazy for a GMC 2500 4x4 dbl cab $80k nuts crazy!

[@RunW-TheBigDogs]

Husband got in a motorcycle accident. I will sell my Dodge Ram Daytona 2005 Go-Mango Orange. 1 Owner. 150k Original miles. Well kept. All updates maintenance and lots of new items under the hood [ with shortages I hedged my bets & replaced some stuff with better items] new tires tierods racin-Pinion 😊++++ extras Hemi. 3rd Gen Reliable as hell.

[@CampandCamera]

I say hang in there just a bit longer. From what I’m hearing dealers are setting on tons of inventory right now across most major brands. Many are thinking there will be some inventory selloff sometime in 2025 that will get to the 10-15% markdown territory. As a general rule, if you’re paying cash, buy a slightly used truck. If you’re financing, buy new one and leverage all the financing incentives then pay it off 3 months into it. At the end of the day, I like to take the purchase price and divide that by the anticipated number of miles I’ll get out of it. The price per mile of ownership is a good comparison tool. I too really enjoy the process.

[@machendachen]

Wait for the big truck rebates this year but if not then a couple years used for sure.

[@ima4ster]

The Honda salesman encouraged me to finance the vehicle to get more incentives. I agreed after making sure that I could pay it off anytime with no penalty. Even with those incentives, they didn't come down on price much at all. I agree with another comment.....the dealerships haven't adjusted to life after Covid. For that matter, manufacturers haven't adjusted down elevated prices for everything from Coke to cars. They won't lower prices until consumers refuse to pay. Hope you're doing well. I'm back to work today.

[@oceanchaser]

There needs to be at least a 35% discount they put mostly a 45 % increase on most vehicles no joke.

[@drewdevon2009]

weve been hanging in there for 4 years, we are gonna keep waiting till no V8s or regular engines are available

[@donhebel1011]

​@@ima4ster Honda never negotiates much at all ,--- I should say rarely... but their Ridgeline is a sweet little truck. They ride and handle, stable as a rock, and handle reasonable payloads as if there were nothing in the bed. Just my personal experience of how well they perform. Love 'em

[@nikonmark37814]

I went through this during the summer of 24 while looking for a midsize truck and after lots of shopping I ended up with a Nissan Frontier in the low 30's!

[@lorifive]

Your presentation and calm demeanor is something I wish I had . When I shop for vehicles , I go into it like full scale combat ! I too am looking to purchase but will proceed very cautiously .

[@ima4ster]

Do you enjoy it? I think that is the key. Don't be in a rush or wait until you don't have transportation. Also, there is plenty of information online, so it is easier to go prepared to negotiate.

[@darrelldoty7757]

If I look in my area which is north Texas. The 2024 F150 XL has a MSRP of 40k. They are discounted by 10 to even 12k taking the price to 28-30k. So for them to not negotiate on the 40k price is not good. And they wonder why the auto industry can’t move any trucks right now. Go to auto trader and put in what you are looking for and see what’s in your area. Again, there are dozens here for 10k off MSRP. But to answer your question the more features the more over inflated the prices become. Just as of the last month or so they started with the discounts on the trucks with less features. RAM is supposed to be offering 13,500 off of their MSRP. Good Luck! Oh and it is also rumored RAM is going to go to a 5 year 100k warranty. You can get a Sierra here for the same price as the ford here if you want another GMC. Ford was the king of the recalls for three years running but the title went to Ram this year just to have ford announce today another recall on 300,000 trucks. They waited until today so they wouldn’t win the recall wall of shame for a 4th year in a row.

[@ima4ster]

Great info. I might have to come visit you. I'll be in Houston in 3 weeks for a meeting.

[@alexk7286]

in my 50s. I have owned 17 brand new cars.( 3 used as a poor struggling younger man). I bought a LX 5.0 Ford f150 4x4 tow package i special ordered it here last year in FL. I paid sticker. the truck has been trouble-free at 24, thousand miles ! I always do the maintenance myself on all vehicles (oil changes, brakes,alternators , coolant changes, etc ). I've always changed the oil at 3 to 5 thousand miles . and rear differential oil at 25 thousand. and thermostat and coolant every 5yrs no matter what. the truck was 52 thousand and I think that's fair. it is the extended cab version. as long as it goes over 100 thousand miles, trouble-free. money well spent!

[@lawson57]

Spot on

[@darrelldoty7757]

@@ima4ster I’m in the Dallas area. 4.5 hours away.

[@Chadyp82]

The issue is that wages have not kept up with inflation. That’s why priced out for most people.

[@ima4ster]

I don't think my salary has kept up with inflation.

[@KG-kq9tk]

No...the issue is still inflation. The issue is still money spending snd printing by the govt. Wages don't just magically increase in the private sector. They are negotiated by employers sbd employees. Employers ESPECIALLY don't increase their wages to match inflation when the inflation levels are out of control. The vast majority of employers quite literally cannot do that, or they would cease to exist....and so would those jobs they supply. The issue is absolutely inflation. The issue is govt. After that, the issue is consumers paying for wildly overpriced vehicles. The "greedy"companies are literally giving the public what they want.....regardless of how overpriced you or I think they price their inventory. They can't do that unless the public buys from them still...and/or the govt bails them out. Again, the problem is govt and consumers en masse. Not actually the greedy companies themselves. At least they aren't the main issue.

[@Chadyp82]

@@KG-kq9tk I believe you are only correct when it comes to small business. Large corporations have the money to pay their employees standard of living increases. But instead pay CEO way too much and use money for stock buybacks. It was not that long ago when it was illegal for companies to do stock buybacks. Also in the 80’s they made an entire movie about someone not getting a Christmas bonus. The idea that companies wouldn’t give raises or Christmas bonus was insane back then. But today no company provides raises or Christmas bonus.

[@quebird3108]

I heard the term "garbage for gold" referring to the price and quality of trucks today. I agree fully.

[@ima4ster]

I agree.

[@just4ivaylo92]

Accounting for true inflation, your 2002 truck would have been around $49,000 today. It's not that trucks are expensive - it's that our salaries haven't kept up.

[@josephvoytus3694]

Absolutely correct. Meanwhile CEO's, VP's, & other execs salaries have skyrocketed. Corporate America needs to start accepting a little less so the common working people can catch up. Greed is rampant.

[@peterrowley2429]

@@josephvoytus3694We keep voting in the wrong people, people in the back pocket of the oligarchs! It used to be the mega wealthy had 10% of the wealth and the other 90% was with the rest of us. Not now

[@danniecurlett8702]

I remember when I looked at trucks in 2000 most where around 38,000

[@johnbruenn8755]

@@just4ivaylo92 they’ve become overly complex. My God, there’s a sensor and electronic actuator for everything on new vehicles. Hell, if you FART in one of these things it will throw a trouble code.

[@jonathantaylor6926]

New truck prices have somewhat come back down to reality. I took a picture of a window sticker in 2022 when they had a F250 gasser for $66,700. That price included a $3,500 "market adjustment". You can now buy that truck for around $53,000. The shortages from a few years ago are completely over. But used trucks still seem very overpriced to me. Buying used would be my preference but as an example theres a 2019 F250 for sale near me with 60,000 miles for $36,600. That's a 5+ year old truck with no warranty. I think spending 13K more to get a new one is a better deal and much easier to finance a new truck.

[@cuttnhorse2013]

I have a 2004 dodge ram 1500 5.7 hemi. It has 330000 miles. I have maintained it, and would drive it anywhere. People can’t believe it’s as old as it is, along with the miles on it. Not paying for today’s crappy trucks.

[@ima4ster]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[@RunW-TheBigDogs]

I got a 05 dodge ram Daytona go mango Orange 🍊.... I unfortunately have to sell. I posted above...

[@GoonyMclinux]

I kept my old truck and paid for a new crate engine and rebuilt the entire truck, ended up being a fraction of what a new comparable truck would cost.

[@ima4ster]

I've done that before. Thankfully, all my old vehicles are running fine now.

[@perrybrantley6188]

Enjoyed the video. I am in the same boat. Got three cars and a truck. Most are old, but still reliable.

[@joedonbaker1673]

I wanted a pretty basic truck with a few specific options. They want me to purchase an entire package for 10K to get these features. I don't want all the other crap that comes in the "package."

[@s99614]

Actual inflation has been much higher than 2% per year.

[@ima4ster]

I agree with your point for the past few years. But at 2%/year, my 2002 Sierra would be $44,000 now. At higher inflation rates, it would be even higher priced now. That would make the case even more that trucks are reasonably priced now.

[@drewdevon2009]

​@@ima4sterthere arent many full size trucks on any lots for 44K right now, or for the past several years. the cheapest i see is maybe 58K and thats for black plastic grill and bumper work truck models with steel wheels

[@davebrown9725]

​@@drewdevon2009 Sounds like the F-150 XL my neighbor just got. Single cab, 6 ft(?) bed.

[@pbshooter100]

Actual average inflation rate for the last 22 years has been 2.35% so a little bit off of 2%. This is if you can believe government numbers.

[@pathunter7003]

@@davebrown9725 I went past a Ford dealership and they had 20-25 single cab, 8’ bed, all white, probably XL versions with black plastic and steel wheels. First time in 5 yrs that I’ve seen that place have cheaper trucks setting out front near the road, usually reserved for high end trucks

[@NotAMotoVlog]

I enjoyed your discussion and analysis. Never bought a new vehicle, the depreciation hit always scared me. Wish there were more affordable base models we could choose from

[@Slammingutz]

I like this guy. He is honest and has grit. Thank you sir.

[@ima4ster]

Thanks for the kind words. I think people can see through fake.

[@greggdpa]

I just recently purchased a used 2016 Silverado LT crew cab 2500HD. I searched for almost a full year. It’s very difficult to find a used HD truck that’s in reasonably good condition with no crashes. I was truly surprised at the prices! This one had 72K on it and a great maintenance record. I Finally settled on this one because of the record keeping. I paid $28,550 for it. I can say with certainty, I got a reasonably good deal considering the many trucks that I drove 2-3 hrs to see and found them to be in rougher condition than what I expected. Btw I’m 60 yo and if you’d of told me I’d have to pay that, I would’ve thought NO WAY.

[@ima4ster]

I lucked up on my wife's Toyota Highlander. A relative bought a RAV4 and traded their 2015 Highlander in on the new car. I asked what the dealer was paying for the Highlander with 40,000 miles and then I offered to buy it myself for the same price. My wife loves it and it is in great shape.

[@greggdpa]

@ I would still consider having body work and painting on the 02. Also, consider having the undercarriage sprayed with Krown rust protection for about $170

[@huronv9500]

I think trucks are very inflated. Why is a mid-level Tundra in the $60’s when you can get a fully loaded Camry in the mid $30’s? It can’t be that much more to build a truck. I have had full size trucks in the past, but now I have a 21 Tacoma with a 6 foot bed. I don’t think I will ever go back to a full size, the mid-size is so much easier to live with. My Tacoma just hit 100,000 miles and not one issue and I plan on having it for a long time. Even if I could afford it, I would not pay 60+ for a new truck.

[@drewdevon2009]

gee, ya think truck prices are very inflated?

[@SamThomas-qq4hw]

Well I went get new truck had 2009 GMC. Was going trade in. But you can buy new corvette cheaper than truck was looking for by almost half the price. Guess what I kept my truck bought new vette. Wife is extremely happy she loves new car. Happy wife happy life.

[@Triumph60Gem]

I’m 64 driving my 97’ Dodge Dakota, take good care of it and plan it to be my last truck. New stuff is garbage. New stuff is now a commodity. OVERPRICED!

[@frankbutta9344]

I’ve only purchased one new vehicle: a 1979 Ford F-100. The dealer had it advertised in the local newspaper at $4,000 , but did everything possible to convince not to buy that particular truck. I’ve had excellent luck (?) finding fantastic deals on used cars since then.

[@ima4ster]

Frank, I still remember your video of you and your wife joy-riding in a little red (?) roadster. It looked like fun. Do you still have it? I have always said that I'm not a good enough mechanic to buy used cars, but I did luck out on my wife's Toyota Highlander a few years ago. Her cousin was trading it in on a new RAV4 and I offered to buy it at what the dealer offered. My wife loves it.

[@frankbutta9344]

That is our black Mazda Miata, and we still have it.

[@cliffh8486]

I owned a new Ridgeline, if you do anything that requires truck needs stay away, the Ford f-150 you want is the sleeper that all the gear heads are after, the dealers know that and don't negotiate much. If you service your vehicle don't worry about the turbo. Diesels get a million miles on turbo chargers not sure why people bring that up, just change the oil every 5K. I have a EcoBoost 3.5L and love it just change oil more often than the computer and you will be fine. A simple inflation calculator says the 2002 would be worth 48979.00 today. Great video, Given some of the tech that goes into the newer vehicles i can see why they are slightly more expensive.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

I am 61 years old and had a nearly identical experience this past summer replacing my 17 year old RAM pickup truck. A crew cab was needed for my requirements. What I found was the 2024 market place has significantly changed in those 17 years and requires a lot of homework to be prepared to shop at dealerships today. First there are a lot of startup companies in today's market, which I quickly discarded from consideration due to my lack of knowledge and their non-existent track record to compare. Second, the change in technology offering is considerable that left me overwhelmed initially. I quickly learned that the terms "motor" and "engine" are no longer interchangeable. Third, I expanded my economic viability reasoning with cost of ownership to include time used and level of effort with maintenance. I concluded that convenience has value to me. This led me to Ford and GM model lines. A pick up truck is now offered in 2024 with either a "motor" or "engine" based propulsion systems. on the dealership lots. The actual differences to meet my requirements were near zero between the model line up at Ford and GM dealerships. The last term I relied on, and I did a lot of homework was "OTD" - out the door price. At both GM and Ford dealerships electrified propulsion trucks were negotiated at higher discounts and were easier to get OTD pricing on. The bottom line I found was both motor or engine based trucks are the same in terms of hauling, towing and carrying the grand kids around. It took a lot to get prepared to buy a truck in 2024 after 17 years but the results are more than satisfying with my choice after six months of ownership.

[@drewdevon2009]

lots of startup companies in what?

[@davebrown9725]

​@@drewdevon2009 trucks, especially electric trucks. Rivian and a few others.

[@knifetex]

I’ve been in the truck market for 5 years. Passed on an F150 and a Silverado both under $40k in 2019. Don’t know if I’ll ever forgive myself lol.

[@ima4ster]

I've been there too. I've been looking off and on for several years. I actually made a video about one of the surest signs of retirement is when a guy buy a new pickup. I made that video years ago.

[@rj-me3fh]

If you can live with an XL, I just bought a RC 5.0 litre motor 2024 2WD for 34 out the door after dealer discount and a 2500 Ford loyalty rebate! Front seat is plenty wide for grandson!

[@ima4ster]

The F-150 I showed on camera was an XL. It was exactly what I was looking for. Did your's come with the work station? It isn't listed on the window sticker, but I think it is standard.

[@timothydukeman7619]

I'm not paying those prices. Mad Max, it is.

[@ima4ster]

My goal was to offer a reasonable price that they would have to think hard about before accepting. I can wait.

[@bobbywalters9768]

If you sell the 2002, please give a shot at it.. Thank you!

[@ima4ster]

I'm gonna keep it a while longer!

[@mikeyshouseofbrakes8463]

Price on what you bought in 2002 and the new Ford you're kicking tires on are two-wheel drive. That's a big difference compared to the 4x4 pickups people are paying big money for. Most of the trucks are four-wheel drive now. A standard cab 4x2 is harder to find because most of the trucks on the lot are the more expensive 4x4 double and crew cab models.

[@ima4ster]

Exactly. I don't understand the fascination with 4-wheel drive. Gas mileage goes down and price goes up. Plus, I doubt many of the pick-ups are taken off-road.

[@Oldcarnut63]

don't forget about Snow .​@@ima4ster

[@mikeyshouseofbrakes8463]

@@ima4ster If you live in the sunbelt you can get away with a two wheel drive truck. Where I live, most trucks are 4x4 because of the climate.

[@pathunter7003]

It took me 5 months of scouring the internet for a 4x2 with the year, options , tow pkgs, decent miles, and color I wanted. After looking all over the country I found what I wanted 150 mi away

[@pathunter7003]

@@ima4ster I never have bought into the 4x4 fad, like you said, worse mpg, less towing capacity, less payload, more maintenance, and more money to insure. Besides I’m not paying $55K for a truck and then go out in the mud or bash it around trying to climb over some rocks.

[@michaelbahr2861]

Get what you really want and don’t bother waiting for the right deal. I have a 2003 Tundra and still love it with over 300k miles. If I were in market for new truck, I would buy used but that’s me.

[@ima4ster]

I'm not a good enough mechanic to trust buying a used car. I prefer buying a new car, taking good care of it, and driving it 10+ years. I mentioned in the video that we have 4 vehicles. The newest one is a 2015. The others were made in 2022, 2003 and 2002. They are all running well.

[@michaelbahr2861]

@ perhaps the dealer would be willing to throw in some additional accessories to sweeten the deal for you. You might mention that you are a social media influencer and would give the dealership some positive feedback if they would consider a better sales price. I think the F150 would be a good choice.

[@owenhill-vf7ko]

No one seems to mind as new car sales in 2024 was over 16 million. Best year since 2019.

[@ima4ster]

Go figure. That's why the salesmen didn't feel compelled to negotiate.

[@Na0uta]

It really depends on the trim level. Only 3 years ago, a f150 Lariat fully loaded was around 45-55k depending on where you got it and dealers stuff. Now its over 65k closeing in on 70k. Thats a big price jump for only a couple years. I got a XLT 302A in the 2.7L with a tow package. And it was around 55k with a few modest addons (lift level kit, bed liner, nicer rims and tiers the ford performance gloss black rims).

[@crlaw75]

It got crazingly stupid when the Detroit 3 got rid of the sedans. It got even worse after COVID.

[@Mightycaptain]

Depends on the options on your 02. You said it was an extended cab and are comparing it to a regular cab just going to extended ads 4 to 8K to these modern trucks. And what was the trim level of your 2002?

[@rscott2187]

Excellent break down! Generally speaking my thought is dealers no longer order an carry base model trucks, except for the white work truck you encountered. Almost all trucks or most at least at loaded down with expensive options. Give me a Chevy V6 reg cap with hand crank windows I'd be good!

[@MarkR973]

Options should not cost more anymore because those capabilities are baked in being. widely available examples include like power windows and power door locks. Thus, dealers and manufacturers are simply gouging consumers for profit. Simply don’t buy.

[@s99614]

Expecting a Honda dealer to negotiate is laughable.

[@ima4ster]

I agree! I bought a Honda Accord once and it was frustrating to negotiate with them then. They like their cars!

[@marckimbrell4645]

The Honda dealership I buy from has negotiated on every vehicle I have purchased from them. The key point to buying a vehicle is being willing to walk away. Bob Boyte Honda Brandon, Mississippi.

[@davebrown9725]

​@@marckimbrell4645 Exactly, research vehicle and price first, and Walk Away if the salesman pulls any BS.

[@ricksanchez7459]

They will have to now that they bought nissan

[@slomo1251]

It’s not the base prices, it’s the msrp with add ons. A 45,000 truck turns into a 60,000 truck. When you have to special order the base model because the dealers only stock the mid to high tier vehicles.

[@ima4ster]

I agree. I only wanted 1 additional feature (heated seats), but to get it I would have to upgrade to a higher cost package.

[@tidestacker4674]

You sound like me, I had the 2002 GMC truck 5.3 engine, over 200,000 miles on it, and about 6 months ago I bought the 2024 Ridgeline Honda, great truck, Sport trail ,love it, just right size for me and my projects. I am 74. And like to stay busy with projects around the house. Good video, there is a place for you buying cars and trucks for other people. I know people who use the services, you should do it iffy you like to haggle , I don’t like doing it! You could have saved me some money, you come across as a honest person, what people are lacking nowadays, so much bs out there, honest people stand out in my opinion! I have 11,000 miles on the truck, you should get the Ridgeline in my opinion, 2025 sport trail is a little higher off the ground this year, love the interior, lots of room for travel on trips, wife and I love to do. Your right about the price of trucks the truck industry price themselves out of the market for most people, greedy ceo s

[@ima4ster]

Great comment! We sound like we are in almost identical situations. I bought a Honda Accord many years ago, and I recall that they didn't dicker much. I really like the Ridgeline, but I take down trees on my land and for others occasionally, and I question whether the bed will be large enough to satisfy me. Of course, I'll be doing less and less of that in the future. I have tried to sell my tree-climbing gear, so I won't be tempted to take down another tree, but then a tree dies and I am shocked at what the professionals want to take it down. The last tree that had to come down, I specifically asked the company to give me a price that wouldn't make me do it myself. They didn't and I did the job myself.

[@danayo8852]

Rent a trailer

[@joe8607]

Hi, Your 2% a year increase doesn't sound unreasonable until you realize most salaries haven't gone up 2% a year. That is why the average worker is being priced out of the new truck or car market.

[@ima4ster]

That's the main problem. Vehicles and homes have been priced out of reach of middle America.

[@dougpeters1625]

I am in the trades so I need a truck for work. My truck currently is several years old and over 200,000 miles. It runs perfect but I know it’s time is coming… It’s extraordinarily depressing looking at new vehicle prices, and in fact, I wouldn’t ever buy a new vehicle, I’m just looking for benchmarks and references for the used truck market. I’m happy that people like you are shopping for new vehicles because that allows a secondary market. (somebody has to take one for the team!) I’m trying to stay away from vehicles manufactured during Covid because there’s been a lot of issues with vehicles across-the-board made during those years when people were just “phoning it in.” The other thing that concerns me is the engines are getting smaller and smaller and many of them are turbo charged. The technology is great, and they’re able to get the same horsepower and better gas mileage with smaller displacement, but I feel that the newer smaller engines are a lot more stressed than having a bigger displacement and letting it just chug along.

[@sidneywhite7116]

I have a friend and his wife's grandmother is still driving at 108 years old!

[@CharlesCurran-m9p]

That’s interesting. My 2013 F-150 XL long bed with about $2k of options stickered for $28k so the prices didn’t go up that much between 2002 and 2013. Unfortunately that 2% inflation kicked up to 20% over the last 4 years. But the thing that really inflated prices are all the fancy electronics that people insist on to impress their friends.

[@ima4ster]

Prices for all kinds of goods shot up during the pandemic, and they won't come down until people alter their purchasing habits. I've seen videos about an upcoming global correction where prices will reset.

[@FDLrick]

My 2000 Sierra 4x4 has 116,000 miles and still running strong. It's been pounding thru trails up here in Alaska since the day she was born. A Super Truck.

[@ima4ster]

That's less than 5,000 miles per year. You're running a marathon, not a sprint. :)

[@danmurphy7713]

I bought my F150 STX 4.6 new in 2003. It now has 352,433 on it. after the timing chain and gears,tensioners and oil pump replacement, its doing great . No payments and it still only uses a half qt of oil between changes. It will still put me back in the seat if I get on it.

[@ima4ster]

Comparing odometer miles, my truck is still middle aged. I might get another 150,000 on it.

[@scottsingleton2951]

If you are set on a new truck, wait 5 or six months. The prices will come down. Your best bet is bet is invest in your '02, or get a late model low milage truck.

[@ima4ster]

How much would you invest in a 2002? I may do a follow-up video this morning, showing the condition of my Sierra.

[@stevewehner9540]

I recognize the problem the truck manufacturers were having when they started selling with 0% interest. This meant that their profit was in the price of the vehicle, usually 100% or more and the price was non-negotiable. Now the price dropped about 20 thousand but they finance for about 5% bringing the final price of the truck back to the 0% cost. It's the greed of the manufacturers that's getting them.

[@ima4ster]

Good insight. Thanks for sharing!

[@athletikonaol]

It pays to research which model, engine, and year are best. Then look for that used vehicle with low miles, and you can buy in the 20's and easily 30's. AND, you'll get a model with a good record.

[@ima4ster]

Not sure I'm a good enough mechanic to buy used. The last vehicle that I bought was used and it has had a couple of fairly major problems that I'm dealing with.

[@pathunter7003]

@@ima4ster look for a certified used vehicle at a dealership, they go over the entire vehicle making sure it all works and then usually a yr of warranty

[@rickboucher363]

I just sold my 1999 Chevy van will a 5.7 engine still ran great but it was rusting out trying to buy a van now a good used 5 year old one and I cannot believe what people are asking

[@ima4ster]

I offered to sell my Sierra for $5,000 and they offered $1,500. I wonder what they would sell it for.

[@rickboucher363]

Yes that's the thing when you try to trade they will give you absolutely nothing for your trade in and if you agree to trade in you'll see that they'll sell your vehicle for three times what they gave you for so it is all upside for them all downside for you you better off selling your vehicle yourself which is what I did with my van and I was honest it needed some rust repair however the buyer bought it and was willing to do the rust repair because it ran so good in some ways I'm regretting it now I'm trying to buy a van a good used 5-year-old man in the dealers want crazy money however I'm sure if I was trading that van van I've been trying private party and just about every case either the vehicle isn't paid off yet play oh too much on it more than it's worth or it has a salvage title

[@dmimcg]

The quality on new trucks is MUCH worse than one that is 20 years old. Sad world we now live in.

[@ima4ster]

They don't even have a CD player anymore! My Buick Regal has a CD player, AM/FM stereo and a tape deck.

[@brucesheehe6305]

FIX your old ride - if not rusty. If you live in a road salt area - apply Fluid Film annually.

[@ima4ster]

We had a winter storm come through the Carolinas last week and the highway department was spreading salt. I thought about all the comments on here about rust from road salt. I could feel the vehicle rusting!

[@zmoorer]

You are comparing your 2002 Extra cab price to the price of new standard cab trucks. What was the price of a new extra cab pickup?

[@ima4ster]

I don't think they make the extended cab now. Most of the trucks on the lot are 4 door crew cabs, 4x4, sun roofs, loaded.

[@donaldpender4938]

I just recently did exactly what you are doing now and ended up with a low mileage Chevy Silverado 2006 like new for 12000 private sale. I am 75 and like you won’t need a truck for 20 years but I do enjoy playing with them and the cost of the new one just didn’t make sense. Being a retired GM employee I also get a discount. I don’t say that they aren’t worth the price but for me could not justify it. Have fun looking, it took me over two months of shopping both new and used.

[@WillThat]

2002. Prime GM. 3rd gen LS, no VVT or DOD. You can diag with pretty much any scan tool and you can tune those computers with free software tools.

[@ima4ster]

I'm going to get back to the basics and do more work on it myself. I've been let down with poorly trained mechanics lately.

[@2olvets443]

I got my 07 Silverado 2 door, no bells and whistles, hand crank windows, new for 17999.00. It has almost 70k on it and still looks new with the exception of a minor parking lot ding and the cataract headlights.

[@ima4ster]

Mine has cataracts too! :) I think they make a miracle product that makes them like new again.

[@2olvets443]

@ I’ve tried different things and they just get that way again. For inspection I just take a cloth with a tiny amount of tranny fluid and wipe them down, they are clear for a few days after but gets through inspection.

[@JohnRobinson-sl9gk]

I own a 2.7 turbo in my GMC Canyon, and so far I have been impressed.

[@ima4ster]

Evidently, they are good at what they were designed to do......especially low-end torque. My concern is their longevity.

[@pathunter7003]

@@ima4ster you can get an extended warranty for a long time if longevity worries you.

[@BigBadJohnDiesel]

I'm currently negotiating on a 25 Silverado 3500 diesel. They've come down 9k, so far. I'm doing this strictly over text message, I've been surprised at how receptive the dealership has been so far. I'm still haggling with them. I'm in no hurry.

[@ima4ster]

You know how to get a good deal. I once bought a Grand Seiko watch by text message with a distant watch store in Charleston. It was a neat experience and I thought I got a good deal without any hassle.

[@KratosDefiled]

Back in 2002, there still no way I could afford 28k on a truck.

[@ima4ster]

I hear ya....

[@christopherquimby2931]

I think the problem nowadays is that wages have not kept up with inflation!

[@ima4ster]

Bingo.

[@cle_roknn3742]

I'm a Forester as well, I think that's what your channel name is implying! Anyway, I don't think it's the inflation that is the issue, the issue is what you encountered: manufacturers and dealers just don't stock/build the reasonably priced trims and those that do just won't negotiate on them like they used to. I've been a Forester for 20+ years, in that time I've had a company truck, then everyone went to personal vehicles with FAVR reimbursement. What this means: in my companies case, a truck less than 5 years old, a minimum price of $50,000 plus an absurd amount of liability insurance: 1 million plus coverage. So unlike the years I started when you were furnished a vehicle as a perk of the job, now the debt and liability are on you and every 5 years it's more financial burden. As this trend of higher prices on lots continue it's getting harder and harder to find that reasonable work truck trim that the math looks even remotely close to financially viable to keep going. Last truck I bought was a Ford Maverick, it was during COVID (no choice had to have a new one due to the year) and this was the cheapest I could find. I ordered one, it was not built in a year so I took whatever they had, almost everything I wanted, and at MSRP. Would I make that deal again, absolutely not, but it was the best I could do at the time. Keep your older vehicle, it sounds reliable enough, you have a backup, and you might be able to do basic repairs yourself. When I open a hood on these modern things, it's all covered by plastic shields and wires everywhere. I'd hate to try to change the plugs, and I guarantee there is no rotor or distributor or any way to adjust the timing that I could do myself.

[@ima4ster]

It's a wonderful profession, isn't it? I started work in 1973 at a seedling nursery in NC. My career has spanned 2 companies (BC and Weyerhaeuser) and 2 state agencies + some contract work. I had a side job for 6-7 years taking down yard trees. Vehicle policies were fantastic when I first started. We got a pickup and for $15/month, personal use of our vehicle, including gas. It kept getting worse and worse though and by 1988 we had to provide our own transportation. I can't imagine it now.

[@HatBilly2008]

The problem is not the truck company The problem is us buying the trucks😂😂

[@ima4ster]

That goes likewise for a 2-liter Coke and Haagen Dazs Ice Cream. The prices won't come down until we stop paying the elevated prices.

[@HatBilly2008]

@ see, people don’t understand our cash is the power, the people work, we have the cash, you might have only $10 dollars a week extra. But 10 , times 100,000 people that is the real power. Only when to people stop things change. Remember the Boston tea party, people stopped buying tea. The market crashed for tea, and pirate tea came in the Americans market.

[@michaelsullivan2717]

Keep the 2002 my step son bought a 2023 GMC paid 80k for it and engine had to be replaced at 20k miles 6.2 liter they are not as good as they used to be

[@ima4ster]

Wow.....did the warranty cover it??

[@nathanm2664]

Look into getting X plan pricing for Ford. You can pay a little over dealer invoice.

[@ima4ster]

The Ford sales manager showed me the invoice, but I am skeptical. They get holdback payments after the sale for one thing. Plus from what he told me, they couldn't get anywhere close to the 10% discounts that I've gotten in the past. I just told him that my experience in car buying told me that they could do better.

[@AnotherPilot1]

I’m just not into placing my hard-earned money into a depreciating asset that can be instantly destroyed by some reckless, careless (and perhaps uninsured) driver that’s not paying attention to what they are doing…you get the picture. If we would all quit playing the game…the game will change.

[@trex860]

Yup, my wife and daughter were each hit by uninsured drivers last year, nobody hurt thank goodness but cost us $3,000 in deductibles.

[@AnotherPilot1]

​@@trex860you could have paid for a nice Cruise...or rent a Condo at the Beach...or buy a nice Bedroom or Dining Room set for $3000. The Clowns who hit you probably haven't seen $3000 except perhaps during the Pandemic.

[@peashooter42]

Besides the initial cost, the other numbers on the sticker that cost you lots of $ are the mileage numbers. Ridiculous!

[@ima4ster]

You mean the mpg numbers? At least it's an improvement over my 2002. Of course, they come at a cost.....like variable engine control.

[@kurtmeyer5017]

in 2016 a caravan was $22,000 out the door In 2020 a caravan was $35,000 out the door. A 2024 crysler pacifica is $45,000 out the door. You tell me. I paid that for the 2016 and the 2020. The 2024 i walked out the door.shakeing my head.

[@ima4ster]

We just have to say "No more" to all kinds of products at exorbitant prices.

[@KA9DSL]

I have a 2000 Chevy Express w/190k miles. Runs OK, been nickel and diming me but it's turning into a rust bucket. I just about puked when I saw the prices for a new one. I'll nurse mine till the wheels fall off.

[@ima4ster]

We're in a similar situation and that's the decision that I'll be making. I may do a follow-up video with a walk-around of my Sierra.

[@TonyTesoriero]

The Honda has a very good reputation. That's the one I would try to get

[@ima4ster]

6 cylinder and no turbo.

[@wildbill9919]

I still think vehicles are overpriced today. In 1980 my dad bought a new Ford Fairmont for $6600. In 1988 he got a new F150 for $9800. In 1998 I bought a new Toyota Tacoma for $12,500. All had A/C and power steering. And the Fairmont even had an automatic transmission.

[@michaeloshea5878]

Good luck on your search

[@ima4ster]

I enjoy the search.

[@mikejohnson9118]

4ster... I would NOT buy anything newer than 2019, early 2020. There were SOOOO many supply chain issues and quality issues since then. Plus the majority dealers typically carry only crew cab-LOADED. Get a 2015-2019 GM 5.3. Toyota 2014-2020. Ford 2014-2019 (V8-Coyote)

[@Matthew_Loutner]

If you are financing, getting a low interest rate can be better than getting 10% off of the sticker price. I would check to see if any of the trucks have the 0% financing option.

[@framusburns-hagstromiii808]

Check out the Nissan Frontier. .might be your solution..BUT you should consider just keeping your '02 do the maint and keep it running..its better than any of the new stuff.

[@ima4ster]

Recommendations for Nissan have come out loud and clear!

[@Matthew_Loutner]

The question is not whether prices are inflated. The question is whether prices are in a bubble. If they are in a bubble, they will come down in a market correction. If they are inflated, they will continue going up at the same rate.

[@MILGEO]

I've bought 4 new Chevy 2500 or 3500 cargo vans over the years generally getting a new one when they start to rust in around 10 years. The 2007 2500 with 80K miles is an exception as I'm getting closer to retirement age, but have decided to keep working as semi retired and the truck is rusting badly. I had to put a transmission in it at 47K miles which should have been under warranty to 50K but past 5 years, so they wouldn't cover anything. I've been looking at low mileage vans and almost bought a 2021 GMC Savana which was a fleet vehicle with 15K miles and had an 8 cylinder engine as all my prior vans did. When checking videos from other owners I 1st found Chevy's and GMC vans with 6.6L engines were having major problems with a gas saving, cylinder shutdown process that leads to valve/lifter trouble. That was supposed to have been corrected but now several owners of these vans (and pickups with 6.6L) are burning oil @1 Qt per 100 gallons of fuel used! GM put it in the manual that this was NORMAL! Not to me! I'm considering Ford but don't know what problems their having! Toyota and Honda don't make work vans like this or they'd be a #1 consideration!

[@ima4ster]

You indirectly bring up a point that I've been considering, but that hasn't been mentioned here. I'm a truck guy and I've driven a pickup since 1977. BUT, at 70, do I still need a pickup. I've been giving some thought to look into vans. If all I need to carry is firewood, construction materials, yard debris, and garbage, a van might be just as good as a pickup. I could even carry a piano more comfortably. Plus, I could personalize it for camping. What do you think?

[@MILGEO]

@@ima4ster Sounds like a pickup is more suited to those things you carry. I've been driving vans since before 77, but don't remember the year of my 1st used Ford mid-engine bought used. In 79 I bought my 1st new Chevy and customized it like my 1st van as a camper style. In later years I bought a house and started my own business (P&H) which really needs a van IMHO to work out of like many trades. Usually the drive trains are more similar than different between vans & pickups, so I hoped that your viewers might have helpful input! I'm only slightly younger than you.

[@kevinseversonandhisvizslas8287]

I’ve already decided that I’m not gonna have any more trucks, driving a 10-year-old GMC Canyon

[@alleyoop5185]

Maybe they jacked up prices so they match EV prices

[@ima4ster]

The EV trucks, especially the cybertruck are grossly overpriced.

[@johnbruenn8755]

Former multi decade Ford Parts Manager here. Keep your Sierra. Make it brand new again if you have to. You’re better off keeping your dependable, older truck. I can tell you with absolutely certainty. The new trucks are GARBAGE. There is a reason all the manufacturers are getting their asses handed to them in warranty expense. All that new whiz bang technology is expensive as hell to fix. I know!! Up until 3 months ago I saw it first hand! We had a game in my Parts Dept. “Insane Price of the Day”. Even seasoned Parts guys shocked at parts prices. Don’t do it. Refurbish your Sierra. You’ll be glad you did.

[@ima4ster]

@@johnbruenn8755 I think 90% of the comments on this video are sayings the same thing....keep your Sierra! Your inside experience makes your recommendation highly credible. Thanks for commenting

[@FreePalestine718]

I have a 2021 Chevy Silverado 4cyl turbo with 118k miles and zero issues love it that truck and it gets 20 mpg a On avg.

[@ima4ster]

Good to hear. How often do you change your oil & filter? I hear that's critical.

[@olallaeddy]

When I bought my F350 Lariat power stroke new in 2003 sticker price was 45k. I ended up paying 36k with discounts. They wont even give you 10k off on a 90k truck now. They offered me 8k trade in. No way I can trade or pay what they ask. I have 330k miles and still running great.

[@ima4ster]

Wow, you got a great deal back in 2003. 15% is the best deal I've gotten....that was on a 1987 Ford Thunderbird. I remember that the salesman took off his shoe and showed me a hole in the sole and said, "I'm not going to even make enough money on this sale to buy a new pair of shoes!"

[@Tm-nx6jp]

The Ford is a nice truck. What I learned is. If you order it, they won't discount it very much because it's not costing them on a floor plan

[@ima4ster]

I think the key is to find out what dealer has it on the lot.

[@Tm-nx6jp]

I’m in New Jersey. I looked a long time and didn’t find any 5.0 V8s at all. Only in the Super duties

[@SteveHerrick-yi4md]

I buy 1 or 2 year old lease turn in vehicles , I shop on auto trader in a 300 mile radius find what I want and make a deal. I keep my trucks serviced and clean. no food or beverage inside. the trucks are still under warranty, and I can usually move up 3 years for around 10 K for a loaded 4x4 F 150. yes, they are expensive but look how much it would cost to replace your house today compared to what you paid for it

[@ima4ster]

Thanks for the tip.

[@TheJavonplayer]

It really comes down to when did you go looking for a truck. The Truck prices hit their peak in 2022- to 2023 with inflated MSRPs and mark ups of 10-15% on top of that and the truck prices have been ever coming back down to normal prices for the majority of 2024.

[@pbshooter100]

Thought I would add a data point. From what I could find a 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Regular Cab had a starting Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $20,028. At a rate of inflation of 2% that truck would cost $30,962 in 2024.

[@aaron___6014]

Closer to $37k

[@pbshooter100]

@@aaron___6014 No the math is precise the cost would be $30,962. Using the real average of 2.35 the cost would be $33,386

[@aaron___6014]

@pbshooter100 I used the bls gov calculator. But I see what you mean.

[@ima4ster]

....and I'm offering $35,000. That's about right in my opinion.

[@pbshooter100]

@@ima4ster Yes it sounds like you are in the ball park. The other ugly stat that no one wants to admit to is that worker pay hasn't kept up with the rate of inflation. So the truck you bought in 2002 valued at 2024 prices is affordable to way less people today. Add to that the recent price increases on insurance, cost of gas, et al. and even less folks can afford what people were buying in 2002. Call yourself lucky not to be in that ever growing crowd who can't afford a new car/truck..

[@MyWillypilly]

The question should be "How inflated are ALL truck prices?"

[@1971_Chevelle_SS]

Considering median gross household income is around $75k, truck prices are way too high. After taxes a median family would have $50k for the entire year to live on, a truck that cost more than a year’s family take home is crazy.

[@scottkelley4517]

I own a 2023 Tacoma and its great, I've owned a Ridgeline and its good but if you ever plan to tow or go off road then you need a body on frame vehicle. I wouldnt pay over msrp for any vehicle today I paid about 4k under msrp for the Tacoma and for the Ridgeline. The new Tacoma's aren't reliable with the 4 cylinder. If your looking for a reliable truck for a long term look at the frontiers with the proven V-6, they are cheaper but just as rugged and reliable as the older Tacoma's.

[@Jeffrey-r2j]

I agree, Nissan don’t get the recognition they deserve on their trucks.

[@living-wellon-less5669]

Considering the fact that wages have not risen 2% a year it's too high!

[@ima4ster]

It was just a mental exercise.

[@toshayonguard4253]

Spend $15,000 and have that 2002 restored maybe $20,000 but we’ll worth it today Garbage is not worth the money…..Retired Technician here passing advice along. 🤘🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ima4ster]

I plan to make a follow-up video today, looking at the condition of my 2002 Sierra. The question of that video will be "How much $$ to spend on an old truck." Maybe you can sharpen your pencil on that video. :)

[@joeblow8593]

Any brand new pickup trucks with stick for under $20,000 ?

[@ima4ster]

Not for a looooong time.

[@charlesnoel9081]

I purchased my 2000 Silverado 8-7-2000. Sticker was 27,600 and I paid 24,500. Standard cab 4x4 short box with a 4.8L V8, Dark Metallic Blue, Bucket seats and Tow package. It has 270,000+ miles now and still going. The problem I have with all new trucks is that the gadgets in them will render them unfixable in less then 10 years. I don't need a computer screen in my truck. I need it to be dependable. I have seen new vehicles be taken down and not operate because the rear camera communication goes to ground from corrosion. Shop rate is too expensive to do the investigation as to an electrical issue. You can't replace your own parts because you need their software to program your truck to except the new parts. I buy only older trucks now and pay to restore them. I have my 2000 Silverado, a 1997 Silverado and a 1993 Sierra and I could not buy a new truck for the money I have into all three of them.

[@ima4ster]

Less is more in the case of new trucks. Our newest vehicle, a 2015 Highlander has a few new features like the power rear lift door. The door sensor went out and Toyota wanted $2,000 to replace it. I took the power lift system off the door and replaced the struts with simple hydraulic struts that fit an older Highlander model......and now it works beautifully. I saved $1,800 by making the repair myself.

[@larueskee]

There is a huge supply of trucks on the market. A smart dealer would have taken your price just to move some inventory. I don't know what these dealers are waiting for.

[@ima4ster]

They are too greedy. If vehicles aren't moving, then they try to make as much as possible of the remaining customers.

[@ronnieterry4916]

Older pickup trucks are better than the new pickups today. Several factors will determine how good or reliable the older trucks are. They are the following was the vechicle stored in a shelter or garage. Was the truck serviced regularly or slightly more often the recommended interval? Was the truck drove hard or handled rough? An older truck that has been well cared for is still a great reliable vechicle. I was surprised how high the new pick up trucks are. I recently took photos of several windows stickers from a local dealer and I was surprised at how high the window stickers were. I had also done this exact same thing about three years ago once again the prices were very high then also. I noticed the white single cab vechicles with plain wheels were around forty thousand dollars everything else was seventy thousand or more. Everything I looked at was four wheel drive and the only thing on the lot was automatic transmission and V eight engine. Everything in the pickup truck line is priced too high by several thousand dollars.

[@texan176]

In late 2019 I considered a new F150 XLT regular cab long bed 5 liter V8. A dealer in my area had them out the door for $26K. I think MSRP was in the low 30s. They do not make an XLT in that configuration now but the XL same truck is now $42K. Covid just became an excuse for everything. Most car manufacturers have gotten out of touch with reality if you look at it from the perspective of buying a vehicle outright. However the new paradigm is either leasing or buying with zero intention of paying it off to trade it in with negative equity in most cases. People only care about affordability of the payment and no consideration is given to the price or quality and durability of the vehicles. It is very wasteful and destroyed the market for people who want to buy a quality vehicle and keep it over 20 years. Toyota is having quality problems because their engineers are no longer making products to last a lifetime.

[@ima4ster]

I totally agree with you statement that covid gave businesses an excuse to inflate prices. All the "inflation reduction act money" put money in people's pockets to pay the inflated prices. Now we're feeling the repercussions of the insanity.

[@ntme9]

Found a extended cab, 5.3 V8, grey, 6foot bed Chevy, 4wd for 39,400 in dealer inventory

[@ima4ster]

Good for you! You got it for a fair price. Did you have to negotiate it down?

[@ntme9]

@@ima4ster no it's in the inventory right now, anyone can pick it up