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This is episode five of IMAGINATION AND JUNK - the transatlantic conversation about the hard work of creativity, written and hosted by Bill Barol in LA, and Mat Ricardo in the UK.
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Season 2 is already out, and season 3 is coming soon.
We hope you like it.