Love both of those cars!! Not sure if he was doing it deliberately but notice how the Z was taking the outer line on the tight corners almost leaving the door open which made the Vette have to work its rear tyres harder to try and pass until they were cooked. Vette needs to be more disciplined and not roast the rears. (All advice given from the comfort of my armchair)
@andrewperry6052 жыл бұрын
Around the outside at turn two farken! From my armchair, i reckon the vette driver was throwing too much it just to keep up. Love this racing. Vette driver did give him room though which screwed his line
@jamiebowles45882 жыл бұрын
From my armchair, the 'Vette is doin' it to himself. He apexes early, & rides the inner edge halfway through. Kills his exit speed, and takes the whole straight for his hp to catch up. Datsun, on the other hand dives in hard, heavy brake while aiming just past apex, rolling in the throttle.
@trevorflanagan48732 жыл бұрын
Y’all are great gents👍
@randyderksen43582 жыл бұрын
Trying to dance with something a bit out of it's league. Imagine if this was for 2 hours or even one hour! Heavier cars will be conserving brakes and rubber just to make it to the end.
@richardthompson63662 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the smiles on their faces, a driver's bliss.
@v.e.72362 жыл бұрын
The Vette's tires failed him. Good drivung on the part of the 240 driver, baiting the Vette into a corner war he couldn't win because of his weight. Thank you for no obnoxious "background" music, as the engine sounds are always the best soundtrac.
@Jesse-B2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why people love historic racing so much.
@rogueninja16852 жыл бұрын
What a great battle. Perfect representation of the tradeoffs in physics between these two models, the S-40 and the Vette. Classic
@markavramovic1112 жыл бұрын
s30
@kennethkirklin69592 жыл бұрын
Yep
@truebetold652 жыл бұрын
Couldn't said it better 🇺🇸👍
@tiger_70762 жыл бұрын
I’m in the middle of restoring a 240z with my dad. Gotta love to see the z’s driving and doing what they do best.
@rcpmac2 жыл бұрын
Well as they say, don't try this at home! 😉
@yesode42012 жыл бұрын
The thing the Z does the best is rust!
@Payday52 жыл бұрын
@@yesode4201 just like your 2006 accord
@yesode42012 жыл бұрын
@@Payday5 No! Sorry little boy I have a 1975Z and a rusty Corolla. When you move out of your Mommy’s I will sell you a Z. Ok
@garypeatling79272 жыл бұрын
I only ever saw positively dangerously rusty ones , Jack up and door wont open , nice motors
@seanhwy97612 жыл бұрын
Great video editing. Love the inside / outside shots of the two cars racing. thank you thank you for no music.
@BlendLineTV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks sean. Glad you enjoyed it!
@savage22bolt322 жыл бұрын
@@BlendLineTV Absolutely fantastic editing! And if you had music playing, you bet I would have complained!
@etravix Жыл бұрын
Cool battle. I like both cars but I own a 240Z. Little beast vs Big beast. Tires had given up on the Big beast. Thanks for sharing.
@therealmaxspeedster2 жыл бұрын
Corvette driver racing like he was completely unfamiliar with either the track, his car, or both.
@mattnewell6492 жыл бұрын
I owned two Z cars in the past, a 71 & a 73. The 71,I adapted a 383 stroker, suspension upgrade with KYB, 300ZX rear end, Goodyear 60s all around, and special reinforcement's to strengthen the chassis. I Could eat up Vette`s and Porsche`s all day long! Those old Z cars had good balance, and if setup right, would stick glue in the corners! They are phenomenal!! On the other hand, all the older Vette`s where known to not handle very well. this video proves that fact!
@Omahaguy681312 жыл бұрын
i watched a well prepared 260z with a fire breathing Ed Pink Z engine nearly lap the pack at Texas Motor Speedway it just wove through the field as it ate up some tires that day. it sounded amazing.
@patpeterson26712 жыл бұрын
But you had to do a shitload of mods on your Nissans and the weight difference to the Corvette .......... majority of the time Corvette's and Porsche's are stock ..... all that is done is , bigger radiators , upgrades to make the car breathe better , bigger brakes and suspension upgrades and a roll cage .......... and they are good to go for road racing ......... and there was no 383 Stroker in any Datsun 280Z or 300ZX off the stock assembly line ....all 4cyl or straight 6's / V-6's .... Porsche is the lightest then the 280z , then the Corvette ......... with Engine upgrades to the stock engines in the three , the 280Z , is not even in the same ball park as the Corvette or Porsche ................................
@psk57462 жыл бұрын
@@patpeterson2671 Rather have the Datsun all day long over a Corvette
@twoeightythreez2 жыл бұрын
@@patpeterson2671 a stock S30 Z car would absolutely whup a stock C2 vette in the corners, the only advantage the vette has is on a long straight, and a 75-78 vette doesn't have much of an advantage even there against a stock 75-78 280z. Put a chev lump in the Datsun and the C2 corvette stands no chance whatsoever. Further, if you Put a modern LS based engine in the Datsun, (with appropriate brake and suspension upgrades, of course), even a MODERN corvette will have an epic challenge. Against that, C2 once again will look like an oxcart in comparison ,!no matter what kind of engine its running. The corvette is still cool AF but it simply has no chance on a tight road course against a well prepped and driven s30 Z car. FWIW, there is absolutely nothing outside the body shell that is "stock" on that particular Corvette, all the mods on both cars did was make the action happen faster. The ultimate irony is how the modern Nissan Z has basically become the modern day C2 Corvette, its heavy, riding on a dated platform, not super powerful and will get handed its ass on a tight road course by a modern Camaro (let alone a C8 vette)
@lettuce73788 ай бұрын
@@twoeightythreez Unless i'm mistaken this is a C3
@Njderig2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this without music or talking! Much appreciated.
@warrenlucier57962 жыл бұрын
I owned a 72 240Z and a75 280Z, they are momentum cars that handle really well.
@DANTHETUBEMAN2 жыл бұрын
My V8 z has got it 8n the strait to. 😆
@bernercalito84222 жыл бұрын
Independent suspension on the Z cars really work and it a light weight car. I had a 75 280z about 20 years ago.
@mrnobody66092 жыл бұрын
I own a 1970 Oldsmobile 442, so I'm obviously a huge muscle car lover, but those Zs are some of the coolest fucking cars ever.
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
When I was in HS in the 80s there was a guy with a Z and a guy with a C3. Even though I am a died in the wool Vette lover... that Z was as cool as could be.
@demetriustebet37862 жыл бұрын
The Z was faster on the infield and the Vette on the straight, sliding around on the infield killed the Vette. Figuring out how to get the most of your machine is crucial.
@gregoryjamesaustin2 жыл бұрын
Love both body styles. Art on wheels.
@BlendLineTV2 жыл бұрын
Yup, this is the sort of racing where you can appreciate both cars and both drivers for being willing to get them out on track for us to enjoy!
@DANTHETUBEMAN2 жыл бұрын
@@BlendLineTV it's real racing not turn left, turn left,
@LS-uv9gg2 жыл бұрын
I'm a motorcycle guy, not a car guy, but that was exciting as heck to watch! The sounds of the engines were awesome, so I sincerely loved that there was no hideous music. (or what passes as "music" nowadays, anyway) Thanks!
@Grenadieros9 ай бұрын
Greetings from Greece, thank you for the video. Corvette C3 and Nissan 280Z are my beloved cars, i have them in my heart. Unfortunately that Vette had no chance that day, it was struggling in every corner to stay inside the track (tyres or suspension was the problem). Beautiful sound from engine-exhausts, again thank you !!!
@lauriedooker10312 жыл бұрын
Loved it all it had a lot going for this video . Excellent
@stealthd162 жыл бұрын
That was a fun watch, thanks for the great coverage. Subscribed. Nice example of skill over outright speed, the Z driver simply drove better, the Vette driver has some work to do on his basics… I’m still envious!
@josephbrady7112 жыл бұрын
the legendary L28 engine
@jamierodriguez35542 жыл бұрын
The L series is The hemi of Japanese engines-Fact
@twoeightythreez2 жыл бұрын
@@jamierodriguez3554 I always thought the L series was more like the Chevy small block of Japanese engines myself. Nissan used them in almost EVERYTHING. The S20 six from the Z432 or the GT-R was Japans Hemi. But if you want to get technical about it, Japan actually HAD A HEMI V8 in the 3V engine (Toyota Century)
@bobhenry61592 жыл бұрын
I don't think the vet driver hit a single apex, and it took most of the race for him to figure out which corner (and how) to set up the pass.
@mb4lunch2 жыл бұрын
Yep... Diving into the turns way too soon.
@psk57462 жыл бұрын
well we know he's not that smart by his car choice ... lol
@MORC2 жыл бұрын
Stalling during hot lapping is a great way to destroy some pads, rotors and calipers. Ask me how I know. But for real I’d like to take a minute to recognize the awesomeness of the Blend Line TV crew (both of you) Recently I have seen comments asking for racing with no commentary and we’ve been getting just that. I’ve seen several such video lately. Me? I’ll watch whatever you upload as it’s all good… But also I could listen to an Aussie read a phone book and be happy, great accent.
@BlendLineTV2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Mighty Oakes! We've been putting up videos of just raw car noise for a while within the mix of what we create, but really glad to see people enjoying the videos and support from people like yourself is invaluable!
@jesuschrist-alphaomega2 жыл бұрын
Two of my most favorite cars
@iliveinthewoods2 жыл бұрын
I just want to tighten that damn mirror. 🔧🤣
@markwilliams56062 жыл бұрын
Had a 71 LT1 Corvette. Good racing! Love it!
@nawletorre71362 жыл бұрын
datsun handling and control corvette pure power
@user-Dr.2 жыл бұрын
The tight low speed track makes this a very good battle, a lot of fun to watch.
@bernercalito84222 жыл бұрын
Best race ever between two great cars!!!
@johnhenshaw76552 жыл бұрын
Great engine sounds, and no crappy music to boot 👍
@lancelanphier950951 минут бұрын
That was really cool. I knew it was just a matter of time before that Corvette spun out....lol. That thing was on the ragged edge going through the twisties. I found it hilarious that is much power as the Corvette had and the ability to pass on Long straights the 280z always passed him in the corners... That 280Z definitely looks like it handled better than my 240z did....
@MegaKei12 жыл бұрын
Awesome battle!!!
@Panthercholo2 жыл бұрын
Power is everything... until you have to turn.
@ancientheart25322 жыл бұрын
'No replacement for displacement' Vette vs. Japanese sophistication. Vette was having trouble hooking up. For my money.....give me that raw AMERICAN V8 muscle all day long.
@truebetold652 жыл бұрын
Tell the truth and the truth will be heard 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
@shaneanderson83582 жыл бұрын
Beautiful cars. I own a 72 240Z so I’m bias but I certainly love that vette. Is it a 69’? With the egg carton fender vents? Just goes to show why the 240Z was such a wicked contender in the SCCA. Can’t wait to get out there an turn some laps in my car. 🤟🏼
@stuartliddle72282 жыл бұрын
They would make a stunning pair of slot cars/ scalextric!!
@paulhempshall59282 жыл бұрын
The Z certainly has him on the cornering. But it's a good job there aren't too many straights cos that vette shines.
@KingCast652 жыл бұрын
Great great video. Anyone know what they are running for motors?
@PirateHarbour2 жыл бұрын
LT1 350 and L28
@jimmiewomble416 Жыл бұрын
Corvette on the straights, 280 in the curves. Both of them automotive works of art.
@DaveyGa2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff, starting to hook into this channel.
@BlendLineTV2 жыл бұрын
That's so cool to hear! Glad you're enjoying the content DaveyGa!
@nerdherd2604 Жыл бұрын
I once was in a sort of similar race in my 1981 s130z taking on a c4. The older Vettes and Zs don't look like monsters on paper but my god do I love these cars in every way that a person could possibly love a car. From my perspective as someone who's driven in a similar chase the Z driver here looks to be deliberately taking the outside line on those sweeper corners so that the vette has to work harder on his throttle control under the pressure of the corners. Doing that repeatedly he was able to get the vette to absolutely torch the rear tires. The Z can dance around practically whatever line the driver prefers in those corners because of its balance and weight. It was a brilliant tactic to defeat the more powerful opponent through means of endurance.
@chefgiovanni2 жыл бұрын
The Datsun Z handles better and gearing is better for the track. The Vette sounds good and looks good too.
@tehscope94222 жыл бұрын
The Z's lighter as well
@doctyler53822 жыл бұрын
The 280z has it all over the vette in cornering, the vette in the straightaway, looks like the Z has an advantage here.
@JGCSRT2 жыл бұрын
Jesus that Corvette was a complete handful in anything but a straight line 😂. Both beautiful cars.
@hectorfuji2 жыл бұрын
That’s a beautiful Vette taking on the 280Z.
@truebetold652 жыл бұрын
I agree 👍🇺🇸
@jeffrobodene14852 жыл бұрын
And that's how Corvettes handle. Funny that an old six cylinder Z could give the big, bad Vette a run. Great racing.
@donrollings17532 жыл бұрын
Excellent, this type of racing will allways be better then snoozercars👍
@robertsilfvast37342 жыл бұрын
A classic fight between good handling and big engine 👍🏻🙃
@onemoremisfit2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the yellow light under the tach was for.
@dennistowerofpower5808Ай бұрын
Oil moving to one side of the pan under hard cornering… needed better baffling in the oil pan… oil pump cavitation caused oil pressure to drop… lite comes on in tell pump picks up oil…. Then goes back out…..
@DANTHETUBEMAN2 жыл бұрын
That was driving,,, nice 👍 job of keeping that Corvette pointed forward for as long as you did, you had your hands full. Those Datsun z cars can run.
@truebetold652 жыл бұрын
I like both but the Corvette is a masterpiece on wheels 🇺🇸👍
@mikeyp51302 жыл бұрын
Sloppy lines...Not enough grip. Too hard on gas coming outta apexs. Its a Vette....against a Z. Good show! Bravo!
@keithcargill84282 жыл бұрын
Guy in the vette sucks at finding a good line. Should have followed the same line as the z.
@zabaleta662 жыл бұрын
That Corvette dirty dancing around those corner's! I wonder what I could get a 280Z for, even a motionless body!? Might have to settle for an old Starlet.
@tdalb89852 жыл бұрын
Well, that didn't end the way I wanted it too. You could tell the guy in the Corvette had his hands full. The virtue or light weight is evident. Even just watching you could see the Corvette's tires going away.
@BlendLineTV2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, how good is to see someone racing a car they love and getting absolutely everything they can out of it as well.
@freddyroschmannporta6892 жыл бұрын
Datsun suspencion perfecta, estabilidad demuestra que tanto poder sin suspencion no eres nada., hermoso corvette pero el datsun glorioso y hermoso
@HungrySharkMaster2 жыл бұрын
Wonder how much power the 280z is making out of the L28 to somewhat keep up with the vette
@franklynpertuz7669 Жыл бұрын
That was great I like that little Datsun that little peanut took him great driving both of them
@ROBERTLOWER-f3p11 ай бұрын
What engine is in the Vette ?? I saw a few 7500 rpm shifts.
@MatryBigwave2 жыл бұрын
🏁The CORVETTE driver certainly isn't giving it all its got! 🏁
@chriscatarcio29832 жыл бұрын
He can only go as fast as those stock size tires will let him.
@synthpro9 ай бұрын
Love that vette and the Zcar. It's hard to believe that the Z's OHC inline 6 had about the same power as the 76 corvette back in the day and the Z was much lighter with a better weight balance between front and rear of car. Z also had rack and pinion steering.
@deeptill67352 жыл бұрын
Are we not gonna mention the Mustang that left them both behind?😉
@gordonclark76322 жыл бұрын
The Chef can certainly overcome the grip levels.
@skatetown100 Жыл бұрын
great battle!
@bizkitbrain2 жыл бұрын
Why is it soooooo hard to restart after a spin? I’ve always experienced this with my race car but never a street car
@tube-dude772 жыл бұрын
Oh those lovely V8's just have too much power for early acceleration out of a corner!! And fabulous down the straights!! What fun!!!!
@truebetold652 жыл бұрын
Agree 🇺🇸👍
@willemdodgerford5782 Жыл бұрын
Is that an oil pressure light coming on?
@Uptown592 жыл бұрын
The Stingray's rear was too loose. I saw the spin out coming.
@Panthercholo2 жыл бұрын
What engine is that in the Corvette? Shifts at 7k and kissed 7,500 RPM...
@willrogers57132 жыл бұрын
group S means stock engine, stock breaks...they are allowed to balance the engine better and thats pretty much it
@Panthercholo2 жыл бұрын
@@willrogers5713 Stock for that year is LT1 350 or 454 BBC. Neither of those will spin to 7500 RPM.
@PirateHarbour2 жыл бұрын
@@Panthercholo its an LT1. definitely not stock
@Panthercholo2 жыл бұрын
@@PirateHarbour Figured. Nothing American from that time winds up like that. Maybe a DZ 302...maybe.
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
@@Panthercholo Not saying this vette was an L88.. but they will spin to 8k repeatedly. I've been there and seen it first hand.
@grabir012 жыл бұрын
Amazing Corvette driver. Anyone that has driven one knows how hard it can be to keep on the pavement when it loses traction with super grippy tires. A tire that scrubs is better for the vett. Since it has 50/50 weight dist, when it loses traction, its an all 4 event. Dual 11's. At any rate. Super driving for both drivers.
@johnnystones8498 Жыл бұрын
Yep, anyone who's ever driven a C3 knows that the rear end can be unforgiving. They corner great but when they do lose rear grip most times they're gone. This driver did a great job of pushing that vette to it's limit....but just a bit too much when he finally lost it. A great video of two cars with slightly different but equally effective attributes....vette with a bit more speed, zed with a bit more cornering.
@jamesjkmorrison73552 жыл бұрын
I've watched this at Road Atlanta right there in the S TURN, and Paul Newman would ROAST THERE ASS EVERY TIME AT THAT S turn ,funny as hell until I almost got hit in the head with one of the corvettes piston and rod that fell out of the SKY...LOL WON'T NEVER FORGET THAT RACE. OH YEA ONE MORE THING, what the Hell was that that just went by on two wheels 😳??? It was a damn MINI COOPER, OMG WHAT'S SO IMPRESSIVE ABOUT THAT? WELL IT WAS LIKE IT WAS ON A RAILROAD TRACK THAT'S WHAT'S I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE to see it to believe it 🤔👍
@jimclarke11082 жыл бұрын
Sunday cruise🤠
@paulwhite62502 жыл бұрын
There was a time in the past when 280Z cars were considered premo.
@skaldlouiscyphre24532 жыл бұрын
That period never ended. Fairladys will always be primo.
@warkal8682 жыл бұрын
I've driven a 280Z. Own a Nissan Datsun 280C. It's It's heavier 4 door sedan. But the handling. Is superb in these Datsun for that Era. I've even tailgated a Nissan GT-R, BMW M6, and V8 powered Benz, just to name a few cars I had a run with. Engine may not have the power as those sports cars. But on bends, curves and in between lanes with flowing traffic, the handling was top notch. Once an L28 is built and tuned properly, it's possible to get 100hp/L NA. Turbocharged can easily give you 600hp. Back in the 80s Z's was pushing up to 1000hp. Nissan Datsun for life.
@skaldlouiscyphre24532 жыл бұрын
Cedrics are great. Is yours a 330 (78-79) or a 430 (79-83)? The 330s were also available as a coupe and looks killer in that bodystyle.
@tysonc16332 жыл бұрын
Love corvettes, though the Zed is a great car too!
@thecliffold58792 жыл бұрын
7:02; Rocky Balboa KO's Apollo Creed!!
@brucebrooks7182 жыл бұрын
Looks to me like whoever is driving the Datson is a better driver. Probably not chewing up tires as bad as 'Vette.
@flobeeonekinobee23532 жыл бұрын
the Datsun rusted away half way through
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
I once had a 79 Datsun pickup. DUDE!! this statement is not hyperbole
@jeffroid_tv2 жыл бұрын
GET that little Rice Burner!!! ; }>
@daviddawson33662 жыл бұрын
I had a vett c3 if you accelerated going around a curve the rear tires would easily loose grip and create over steer too.
@pitied37442 жыл бұрын
that's if you dont have good tires and suspension designed for racing like this
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
And think of all that exercise you got! Each and every time you smiled and tightened the sphincter 😆
@johnnystones8498 Жыл бұрын
I always felt the oversteer was a result of sitting almost at the back tires, you initially tend to overcorrect because you feel you're way out there. It takes some getting used to.
@jzxtrd3372 жыл бұрын
Good ol' single leaf sprung rear end wins again.
@jamierodriguez35542 жыл бұрын
The Z has independent rear suspension what are you talkin about
@the510wagon2 жыл бұрын
Good battle. That Vette looks like it's a pig to drive. The Datsun Z cars have so much natural balance.
@chele-chele2 жыл бұрын
Skill and finesse trump raw power every time...
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
True but the smiles per mile are lower
@MrWkala2 жыл бұрын
That Vette needs a suspension being done + driver needs to start hitting apexes... It is not about straight line speed as we see
@joeoski34172 жыл бұрын
The corvettes clutch setup might be the thing that is holding it back a bit .
@13_13k2 жыл бұрын
Joe Oski --- you might be correct but the clutch isn't the real culprit. the suspension setup is the main problem which in turn is causing the tires to take that horsepower directly from the drivetrain with no buffer from the suspension keeping the car weight and the spring and compression working together. your clutch theory also plays into that horsepower being sent to the rear end in a bad way causing loss of traction. basically the Vette couldn't handle the enthusiasm its driver had in trying to beat that Zcar.
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
A longer throw throttle stroke would help him regulate power.
@richardthompson63662 жыл бұрын
The mighty Z, I had to settle for Mom's old B210, ha!
@chriscatarcio29832 жыл бұрын
Those light weight cars have a big advantage. Small tire class. The vette had more power. Just could not corner. Probably a big block to.
@Vincepenalty Жыл бұрын
Me (280z owner) sending this to my grandpa (corvette owner)
@tropicalparsoon2 жыл бұрын
That Corvette gearbox is sick! Shame about the lead boot.
@dominicpelle78412 жыл бұрын
American GRUNT is good in a straight line...
@wydopnthrtl2 жыл бұрын
So the 280Z guy smiled at the end of the race. The vette guy smiled every time he mash the throttle. 🙃
@pitied37442 жыл бұрын
The Z is the King in the Corners but the Vette is King of the Straights a symphony of Muscle and Sports
@shanegainer9640 Жыл бұрын
For me, it’s pure American power vs pure Japanese finesse… Just ask yourself which driver is going to wear themselves out quicker? Every corner is the 280’s friend and every straight stretch is the vette’s friend.
@mike_oe2 жыл бұрын
Driving around with a white "Z" painted on your vehicle these days may attract something very nasty 😉
@paodebatata66062 жыл бұрын
For some reason, that 240z gave away a menacing impression. Nvm yeah, akuma no zeto da
@littlediablo2 жыл бұрын
Great scrap, wish it could've continued but being a Nissan tragic at this point I'm obliged to say "GO THE Z"
@daviddawson33662 жыл бұрын
Paul Newman raced the z he said he thought it created lift with the fastback design .
@Hapkido82AUS2 жыл бұрын
An ounce of handling is worth a pound of horsepower 🤷♂️ (Love the vette though, sounds brilliant track side 🥰)
@Eduardo_Espinoza2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that Daytona can move! O.O
@shellez1012 жыл бұрын
Only a matter of time before he lost it .
@thomasseyffert10952 жыл бұрын
The Z was forcing the Vette to take a super tight line thru that corner, Worked beautifully!
@billsmith51662 жыл бұрын
Either that Vette was a real handful, or he never found a line. Remember.. smoooooooth. Don't focus on the 280z line until you have to, you aren't driving his car.
@HotGritz9102 жыл бұрын
Simple, the tighter the course the z will have the advantage. A high speed course like VIR the vette would probably win easy.
@willrogers57132 жыл бұрын
eastern creek is not a slow track. the z is lighter, better handling and better balanced...not to mention probably has a better driver.
@HotGritz9102 жыл бұрын
@@willrogers5713 oh ok...cool probably right
@Danger_mouse2 жыл бұрын
Love the Z getting the job done over the Yank mobile 🙂👍
@jayrogers82552 жыл бұрын
As an American…I agree! I find Corvettes too bulky. Then again, as a 260Z owner, maybe I’m biased! 😉