Impact Velocity vs Advertised Energy and Hammer Bullets

Impact Velocity vs Advertised Energy and Hammer Bullets

[@chrisrogers4594]

Wow, an actual experiment to evaluate our metrics empirically? What is this world coming to? Surprisingly, I've never seen anyone do anything like this and I think it's incredibly valuable. It seems to me that there are a lot of untested premises floating around in the world of terminal performance. Keep up the good work!

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

I really appreciate it

[@mopardoctor9966]

Impact speed is what Roy Weatherby was promoting back in 1943. Hammer bullets are proving he was right.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Hammer isn't proving anything, pretty much what monos paired with overbore magnums like weatherby cartridges is doing is trying to get range by throwing a badminton birdie as fast as possible rather than getting better results from just tossing a rock as in using a smaller more efficient cartridge with a more efficient bullet.

[@user-cl7jw7td5q]

Yeah, kinda like when old school cops talked the 6” 357 mag w/a 125 grain bullet. Huge difference from the 4” 38 spcl loads

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Now after these years I can finally put a face on “Bean” besides your pic on Long Range Forum. I’m glad you decided to put some videos on KZbin and your channel. I’m slowly making transition to Hammer from many years with Nosler. Steve is helping me with my .280 Ackley because it’s a Christensen Arms. Anyways always read your posts on the forum. Really close to crimping because of you but the FCD hard to get now. Anyways, got my support on this channel and will get word out. You have a lot of good info to share.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

What FCD are you looking for ?

[@johnkaraphillis754]

@@butterbeansbarstool5414 initially Lee but anyone who has one for my .280 Ackley

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@johnkaraphillis754 get ahold of me on LRH and I'll fix you up

[@johnkaraphillis754]

@@butterbeansbarstool5414 thanks Bean. Will contact you this evening

[@roadkillanonymous4807]

Hahaha was thinking the same thing. I’m Calvin45 on Long Range Hunting

[@robertmorphew724]

Keep up the good work brother , you are correct speed kills👍

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

Thank You, There's more to come

[@robertdeerstalker2646]

Great video bro, 7stw

[@jtrguitar6294]

Barrel life of 20 shots 🤣 but it's a price Im willing to pay to see 4400 on my chronograph. Keep up the Good work Butterbean. Your data on the forum is jaw dropping, along with most of the data there as well!

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

I appreciate it, in all reality it’s a hunting rifle and the tube should last most folks a lifetime

[@jtrguitar6294]

@@butterbeansbarstool5414 I'm having a .284 barrel being made right now and I plan on shooting hammers. Do you have a cartridge and bullet recommendation before I have it chambered?

[@wilsondiver]

Speed kills, PERIOD!!!!

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

ShoNuff

[@cbuck5165]

Do you have a link to the thread on impact velocity that you mention in the video?

[@Wheelchair-bear]

Thanks for the video, everyone in the "Hammer community" seem so friendly and helpful, not competitive or secretive. I will be loading my 300 Weatherby with Hammers. Do you recommend 124 grain over something heavier bullet for elk and mule deer? I normally run a bonded 180

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

I’d run the 124 or the 137 with H4350

[@Wheelchair-bear]

@@butterbeansbarstool5414 Thank you, I happen to have 12 pounds of that powder.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@Wheelchair-bear If you need anything just holler

[@danjohnston3042]

I will be working with 137’s for my 300 wby with H4350 soon.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

The 137 is a a freaking awesome pill, if you need anything just holler@@danjohnston3042

[@roadkillanonymous4807]

Agree with the conclusion. For monometals it’s all about speeeeeeed! For energy at distance heavy frangible lead cores are where it’s at, not monometals.

[@chrisfisher3900]

Good lord a 124 out of a rum has to be smokin

[@NorthRiverGuide]

How do those bullets perform downrange where their mediocre b.c. values have caused a huge loss in speed?

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

They perform awesome as long as you match the bullet weight to how far you are shooting

[@HondaRiderX17]

Who gives a shit about BC. Hunt within ethical ranges. If you want to pretend super sniper go play call of duty.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@@HondaRiderX17 prime example of how to tell people that your abilities are subpar without right out telling people your abilities are subpar.

[@HondaRiderX17]

@@NorthRiverGuide Prime example of how to make something more challenging than it needs to be so you can stroke your own ego and brag to the long range hunting circle jerk club instead of prioritizing the cleanest possible shot for the animal. Not to mention I can flip your own logic on its head and infer that your stalking abilities are subpar so either way you want to look at this one bud....

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@NorthRiverGuide 8 months to reply, you must have really beenn thinking hard on that come back

[@NorthRiverGuide]

If hammer bullets do the same thing everytime, why are there so many videos of their erratic performance and changing direction? Including ones posted by hammer and associates, before they were taken down and cropped to conceal those results?

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

You are wasting your time Neighbor, most everyone knows what you are trying to do

[@NorthRiverGuide]

No answer, just dismiss any fault in the subject and deflect, sounds like a politician. What are your opinions on the owner of hammer bullets working with anti hunters who want to ban lead ammunition? What are your opinions of the owner of hammer bullets with his disregard of the rules of firearm safety in the video where he shot into a herd of audad not knowing what was behind his target, killing a second audad and possibly wounding a third?

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@NorthRiverGuide It was a paid hunt, When Steve said I can't see what's behind it the guide told him to go loud, Audad are like coyote's, it was the guides call. End of story

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@@butterbeansbarstool5414 interesting how there are so many different versions of the story including this one now which is new. Does steve pay per story for each time a new story is made up every time a flaw is pointed out with the last one? I viewed several different renditions of the story from steve alone!

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@NorthRiverGuide Dude, get a grip

[@nathancovington544]

I reported the post by lrhg as misinformation. 😂

[@NorthRiverGuide]

That's how you try to prove your point right, by trying to silence the opposition? If your stance was correct you wouldnt need to.

[@nathancovington544]

Come over to hammertime and talk that shit, you might get an education in reality.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@NorthRiverGuide 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Give it up

[@longrangehuntinggroup7223]

So many things wrong with this video and so much bad information. First energy is only a potential and it's directly dependent on the bullet performance. The hammer bullets are terrible bullets both in testing and the field. They have done nothing to help aid expansion by weakening the bullet. We cut one open it's just solid copper with a 1/16" hole that's 8/10" deep. It blew through the bucket without much more than splitting the sides. It didn't dump the advertised energy not even close. By the way shooting water jugs doesn't translate into how it will perform on animals. With these bullets you have to run lighter bullets at higher velocities and you still can't achieve the same type of performance as a good lead core bullet. Hammers blow through without a good permanent wound cavity or temporary wound cavity. They are in the bottom of even performance of solids. The poor design also leads to necking over. Saying that it's killed doesn't mean anything. Any projectile launched through a organ will kill. You can kill with a musket ball that doesn't mean it's got good terminal performance. These types of videos with "tests" drive me nuts. It's just unqualified guys spreading misinformation with tests that doesn't actually show the terminal performance of the bullet.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

Did you copy and paste this reply from LRH because we have all seen this post before, your entitled to your opinion and that’s what it is, your opinion, our tests on over 250 animals on 3 continents have proven otherwise, have a great rest of the day

[@longrangehuntinggroup7223]

Yes I copied and pasted the above statement that perfectly addresses your videos from somewhere else. lol seriously? It has nothing to do with opinions it has to do with provable facts. Anyone with decent knowledge of bullet construction and terminal ballistics will tell you the same thing I did. If shooting water jugs translates to terminal performance why isn't the FBI and every other bullet testing place just shooting water jugs instead of ballistics gel? Hitting water jugs at high velocity is like hitting a brick wall. Great to stop bullets with enough water and see expansion on crappy bullets. What actual data do you get from this? How is your expert water shooting test showing that it translates into good terminal performance for hunting? You're telling people it's amazing you should at least know what you're talking about and have data to back it up. Your "water" test doesn't show the permanent wound cavity from the bullet. It doesn't show the temporary wound cavity (how much energy was actually transferred). It doesn't show you if you only achieved hydrostatic shock or if you actually achieved hydraulic shock. It doesn't show you the bullet because even hitting a jug of water at 2800 fps it still blew straight through. How do you know how much expansion you actually achieved? See the problem here you literally have zero data for your so called test that you're recommending these bullets for hunting. That bullet hit that jug which is a hell of a lot more impact resistance than animals and it blew through. On animals it's going to do the same thing but with less expansion. I deal in hard data not opinions. You literally have zero data from this test. I have multiple ballistics gel tests, results from the field, and a good knowledge of bullets construction and terminal ballistics. The fact you just said I must have copied and pasted the response and have a nice day shows me that you don't actually know enough to discuss it. When you recommend a bullet that by design in inferior and doesn't give good performance. That in turn can result in wounded and longer suffering animals. As hunters our goal is a quick clean kill. In order to achieve that good bullets and good shot placement are key. A bullet that blows through without good expansion causing a good permanent wound cavity and transfer of energy is not going to kill as fast. A good bullet will go in expand creating a good permanent wound cavity and transfer of shock resulting in a quick clean kill. You are doing the equivalent of telling people using dull broadheads is better than using razor sharp ones.

[@butterbeansbarstool5414]

@@longrangehuntinggroup7223 As I have said and shown you on LRH we have 250 + animals killed on 3 different continents with wound channel photo's and detailed autopsy's and you still refuse to acknowledge, when asked about you video on your so called Hammer failure, you declined to respond, What your selling works, it always has and always will but there is a better Mouse Trap on the market and I like it, you're situation is very easy to explain, there are folks that live on the borderline and then there are folks that are just boards, with that I mean stuck in one mindset afraid of something new, No offense intended so once again Have a great evening Mr. Noggin

[@longrangehuntinggroup7223]

Really tell me more about myself since you know so much about in the zero times we have ever talked prior to this conversation. I'm always adapting and upgrading equipment for the best. Hammer bullets aren't that. Keep making stuff up about someone who you have never met or know nothing about because you did a test that did nothing and you don't have the knowledge to have a discussion.

[@longrangehuntinggroup7223]

You have never showed me anything in LRH or the channel. You do realize that I can literally search and pull up anything on hammer bullets in the group. You have never posted in the KZbin channel either and I can prove both.