Impenetrable Planetary Defense Against The DARK FOG | 06 | Dyson Sphere Program | Lets Play

[@colecook834]

Dark fog went from potential threat to geothermal spikes for non-lava worlds

[@bullydungeon9631]

Yeah I kinda want to crank them up

[@Русич-т6п]

This is only for settings when dark fog is on normal difficulty. When all settings are at maximum, bases on the planet appear immediately at level 10. That’s when the “fight for gasoline” begins.

[@dartnoob5532]

@@Русич-т6п fr my home system had a planet with 20+ planetary bases, barely managed to clean that up

[@DavidWMiller]

@@Русич-т6пAnd what are those bases supposed to do against planet-wide missile barrages?

[@shietinghd3020]

@@DavidWMiller My friend if they max they regrow troops like water from a pipe you must wair multiple min. that they use all the matter that they harvest

[@sloanekuria3249]

One blueprint to rule them all, one blueprint to find them, one blueprint to bring them all and in the darkness bind them - in the solar system of the black hole where the dark fog lies

[@Raygeing]

And in the darkness smite them.

[@nonyabusiness6225]

Fly you fools!

[@Dragonmaster022783]

I've been having good luck on keeping any other relay stations from "landing" on any of my planets by having a polar ring of turrets set to all air with a signal tower at each pole. IF the relay is still in "ship" form it doesn't give much threat to the hive. Whiel it wont STOP them from sending ships, it will keep them from actually establishing a base. Its a lot cheaper then nilus's setup as the signal towers have a 4200m space range. A signal tower at each pole covers the entire space area around a planet to kill any "ships" Problem with Nilus's setup is that a relay will still be made and you just burn a constant set of missles each time they start to rebuild the base under the relay. This DOES send 1 xp to the hive each time it happens so the hive can level up and with more bases on the planet the more they will gain. If you just kill the ship, its 1xp still but its only a single instance whereas if the relay is established its 1xp until you remove teh base. (note though that relay bases are a good source of early power and with my method of killing the ship, they wont make a hole for a geo. If im going to be away, i set the polar missles to all air/space, and when im nearby and still want geos i set them back to default settings. The hive needs matter to make buildings and units while the relays need energy (which the hive provides)

[@Nemesis1835]

How many turrets are need to kill ship mode relay while space range?

[@FranciscoScarlet166]

How do you do the turrets polar rings? I tried it but the turrets were not attacking the Relay Stations

[@MrLancar]

I did this too. 1 ring of plasma turrets at each pole (about 10-20 turrets, or so) was all it took to completely guard the planet against incoming relays from the hive. (normal settings). You just gotta remember to set them to target "upper air" (i think it's called) so they actually target the relays, and you're done.

[@skoovee]

one of my favorite parts of this new update has been purging the dark fog with signal towers and missile turrets, its just so fun to watch

[@SalvaBarbus]

Been trying this blueprint myself since you uploaded it and, I must say, it is disgustingly efficient. Total protection from a planet, and, in lower difficulties, you don't even need the kickstart, as the solar panels themselves provide barely enough power to keep things rolling.

[@matteocdt5214]

congrats for building your first proper forge world. the first of many!

[@dicerson9976]

If you mix battlefield analysis bases into that BP- it'll build *itself* once the first base is down, letting you go on and do other things while it brings itself online! You could go correct overlaps, fix foundations, or even start adding stuff to the actual planet itself for whatever you need it for.

[@grasshopper9235]

I seriously love the dark fog update It makes DSP so much funner

[@Chip_124]

I’m so excited to play this game.

[@MasterOfYoda]

I actually starved out a dark fog in my starting system. It can't even rebuild spaceships or relays now so I've been slowly chipping away at it with my destroyers. I did it by clearing out all the land hives manually and then placing around 50 rocket launchers on each planet facing all directions and set them to attack low air so they shoot relays before they are able to reach the planet(got an achievement for that btw) I also placed a ton of geothermal stations on top of destroyed hives first until I had around 300MW on each of the three planets cause now I can't get any relays anymore and it's an amazing way to get power early game.

[@besilly6239]

Just wanted to say thank you! You learned me 99% about the game (i started it on my own 😉). And im happy you misplace stuff by one tile as well! Cheers

[@michaeldavis8549]

I got a little overzealous and built on all three planets in the system early and I've been regretting it for about 6 hours of traveling back and forth to defend. Great blueprint, Nilaus! I'll be shamelessly downloading it and pasting it everywhere.

[@user-gi3xn9nz7z]

I noticed that it is enough to destroy the relay station so that the base does not pose a danger. The signal tower covers a huge area in the upper part of the atmosphere where the relay station stops, so 6 signal towers will be enough to protect the planet

[@masterdm12345]

Hello. You have a great idea with capturing the planet using the (Planet Defogfer), but it will only work on easy difficulty levels. At the maximum level, when you fly to the neighboring planet, there are about x10 bases - 20 level . And these rockets are completely insufficient to destroy the base, even to survive. It would be much more interesting to observe your tactics if you raised the difficulty to introduce a challenge and necessitate a combination of defense. I think your strategies would change immediately.

[@A_Simple_Neurose]

I still do the same thing, sometimes there are 20+ bases. You just need some grav rockets and they'll do the job just as well. Normal rockets work too but you need significantly more of course.

[@jgischer]

I really enjoyed this episode. I think it should be named "Overkill is the Best Kind of Kill"

[@hairtrigga]

dark fog is amazing update, great videos as always Nilhaus

[@K-o-R]

I love how the health bar turns red to indicate "this much damage is incoming to this unit". Or, in other words, "You are already dead."

[@RoyalFusilier]

Thumbnail gives strong FedNet energy. "High Command has declared from orbit their complete confidence in Fort Meru to hold the Bug threat!"

[@Niklasthelazy]

Would it be possible to make the entire planetary defense grid blueprint self-building by including BABs that overlap each other? I've been including BABs in some of my BPs just for quick building. For example I have a wind-farm that I usually stamp down on a planet as a nice early boost to power, and with just one BAB in the middle, I can just place it down and leave.

[@MirageGSM]

On an ideal planet, yes, but most planets have oceans, lava pits and "pits of despair", and any one of those will break the necessary chain of BABs. Since you need to go out and fix those anyway it's probably not worth it.

[@Niklasthelazy]

@@MirageGSM I normally fly all round the planet at the places where solar panels are to be placed with foundations before placing the blueprint anyway. So I suppose it's something that wouldn't necessarily work for everyone.

[@MirageGSM]

@@Niklasthelazy To cover everything you would need quite a few BABs - I expect over 100 - and most of them would not be placed on meridians, so it would be hard to know where to clear places without placing the BP first... Sure, it's doable, but certainly not worth the effort.

[@Niklasthelazy]

@@MirageGSM Yeah, probably not. I'm gonna give it a try next time I play. Man, imagine if foundations were blueprintable somehow. :)

[@MirageGSM]

@@Niklasthelazy That could lead to horrible mistakes, since you can't undo landfill...

[@jirioto6089]

Another game maded with love.

[@stfirefly]

I have had success just building a single missile defense base on each planet in the system. Go one by one evicting the fog then set missiles to upper air to stop landings, do this for every planet in the system and the fog starves. I only put signal towers on the poles so i do not think you need to cover the whole surface for upper air. done this for 3 systems and the fog is helpless there.

[@YouCountSheep]

you can starve them, but it will take a very long time. On top of that you want the hive to waste matter by killing their ships. I did that a little bit today with 24 corvettes. They die but I killed well over 100 ships, taking multiples of hundreds of corvettes.

[@Marcel-eg9bz]

Your blueprints are a game changer, truly the goat!

[@Alexandragon1]

Looks like Missile turrets + ST are still OP. hmmm Thx for the video!

[@MelfiortheOne]

You need to ramp up initial settings for the fog. Normal settings are easy mode even with rampage aggressiveness 😄

[@TheKgsoloman]

18:59 if you put the missing parts in the BAB they will build the unallocated buildings.

[@rekrn12345]

If you set the missile turrets to attack the lander you can actually blow them up before they land. The turrets don't cover the entire planet but they do cover a good range. I haven't figured out how far they can shoot but it seems pretty far. I am thinking if you just line the equator with missile turrets its should have the range to shoot down any incoming landers. You don't actually need the signal towers.

[@LarsHoppa]

The wind makes it sound like a gun fight at the OK Corral.

[@raven9395]

Dark Fog got devastated so the fluid tank can recover

[@giin97]

26:58 the heck did you just do 😂

[@iRicowin]

I really hope the intrigue in this series generates a full buildthrough. There's too much being skipped for my smooth brain to keep up with lol.

[@Nilaus]

Full buildthrough is not going to happen. There is no interest in watching hours of hooking up more resources etc. The Twitch livestream is for that and my earlier series are in more detail. This is higher level and focusing on the big story arcs, since I have already 3 times shown how to make each science

[@brendoggo787]

3:05 AM the best time to be playing dsp in my humble opinion

[@tapwater128]

Just don't bother filling the hole or covering it. The dark fog just keeps going back to the same place, I just place a signal tower on top of their landing location and they just get popped instantly

[@dimaworld2448]

oh my god, I didn't know that you could use the signal tower in this way and that you could shoot rocket launchers at such distances

[@sawyeriii]

It's not hive safe, but yes a good strategy for initially taking over an inhabited planet.

[@nicolasdominguez1890]

I have not played yet, but i think i saw someone shoot down the base thingy in space before it gets to upper air and it not increased the space threat. Perhaps i am wrong. But if it is the case you can save on signal towers shooting them down before they dock.

[@FyberOptyk]

How are you able to instantly create items from the logistics columns in the inventory?

[@Milescrosskarting]

Do you have any videos on how to take blueprints from your Google Drive and put them onto a game as I’m struggling to figure out how to do it

[@wealthyllama6570]

I'd also like to know if there is a way to import them all at once. I've been copying them 1 by 1 as I need them.

[@sastrugus]

Make a folder of your own on your computer, anywhere you like (mine is named Games\DSP\Blueprints) and put the unzipped blueprint files in there. Next, launch DSP and go into the "blueprints" section in DSP itself. Once you have that section open, look toward to top-right and there is a text-entry named "Show in Explorer", click that and it will open your file explorer on your computer - use that to go to the folder you made above and open/select that folder. The blueprints will then list for you.

[@Milescrosskarting]

when i open the file on the game it just keeps opening them till i get to about 5 files that are txt documents ? @@sastrugus

[@ayadealjanabi1544]

Cover planet with wind turbines( or anything else), it stops the relay from landing, i.e. no dark fog :)

[@aimozg]

If you have BABs in the blueprint, it could build itself over the entire planet.

[@othmanearagon2557]

what do you mean

[@DrProfessorRobot]

​@@othmanearagon2557 I think they mean the thingers that stock their own construction drones.... And they're wrong about that, since they wouldn't have the items in their internal stock, would only start building as you go around providing items. I don't think a completely paste-and-forget planet colonizer blueprint is possible... if nothing else, you need to go around and build the advance bases and their power infrastructure yourself. And their logistics systems, and the interstellar logistics hub to order materials in.... And at that point it's not that much more work to just lay down the rest of the planetary logistics yourself....

[@Zro_Daye]

If you have Battlefield Analysis Bases in a planetwide blueprint like this one, all spaced within range of each other, the BAB closest to you will get built by Icarus drones, thus spawning its own set of construction drones that will build the next closest BAB, etc. You'd have to have every piece required by the blueprint in inventory though for it to self-replicate across the planet @@othmanearagon2557

[@aimozg]

@@othmanearagon2557 Cover the planet with Battlefield Analysis Bases and have them in the blueprint. You build first base manually (with mecha drones) and then it'll start constructing other buildings in its radius with 12 construction drones of its own. Then more BAB will kick in in a chain reaction. You can deconstruct them after the entire planetary blueprint is finished. Haven't tested in the game but should work in theory.

[@Kozhn]

The only problem I see with full missile turret coverage of the planet, is that without farming them at some point they won't gain very much exp. Without exp they won't drop some of their dark fog specific loot, which is needed for some of the new buildings/items. I guess you can set up a farm later once you have scaled a lot more though.

[@Erkle64]

You can just do that on a planet in another system.

[@DrProfessorRobot]

I haven't completely confirmed it yet, but I think that so long as you're just chasing the Fog base buildings away rather than blowing them up, the Fog will keep on trying to colonize. To truly starve the fog and have the hive completely rendered impotent, you have to turn off its resource stream, switch your turrets to target upper atmosphere, and start blowing their planetary base packages up until the hive can't build any more. I reached that state in my world, and the hive just circled around helplessly until I teched up enough to take it out. I never saw it gain any threat rating after I destroyed its last planetary base... Then again, I've yet to build a Dyson, I was lucky enough to have a lava planet and I've been using accumulators to share the power with my forgeworld... Maybe I could have made the hive *completely* helpless by draining their ships, provoking them into attacks, then blown up the hive once all the bees were gone... I might have to try that out once I start dysoning up my intended antimatter farm system....

[@katemc516]

You don't have to cover the whole planet with signal towers, just turn on the high air priority on all the turrets once you've cleared the last base station, then any future ones will be destroyed before they touch down

[@darianleyer5777]

Nilaus, you missed that the poles of the planet are exposed to the insertion of new bases.

[@sleep_deprived_stormworker]

you basically just made a planetary padlock

[@maliticus7474]

I kinda hope that as the dark fog gains a larger presence in system they start sending out raiding parties via ships instead of just establishing beach head bases. It would give more reason to use planetary shielding and to keep defenses on anti orbital as well instead of just chasing them off.

[@Nilaus]

The Hive sends attacks based on power generated in the system, so if you scale up the power then they will attack

[@maliticus7474]

@@Nilaus I have seen them build bases and land forces via satellites, and I have seen them send ships to attack from orbit. I am hoping that they send ship waves that include landing forces via ship instead of their base building satellites. I didn't know that they eventually attack just based on power in system though. Thanks for the info.

[@RuslanKovtun]

Why not to take them down in the space until they landed by setting rockets to shoot high air?

[@JarPlace]

let's fkin dyson sphere

[@nelrose122]

Appreciate the vids. Only recently got into DSP and have been binging on your videos. What I can't figure out is how to expand the size of foundations, mine is limited to 3x3. Thanks though. :)

[@Impsucks]

+ and - keys

[@Ericnn84]

When you have the foundations selected, use the + and - keys to increase and decrease the size.

[@FaramaraFae]

Try "+" on the numerical pad. "-" for making it smaller~

[@Jogiraiden]

you can also use the + and - to change the size of the grid for upgrading/deleting.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

Episode VI: Return of the Crisps

[@magnemmar4869]

Entirely safe? What about when the in system hive hits 100%?

[@michalhopehurt7032]

There is so much easier way just set up your launchers for air and if u shoot the landing thing down before it lands u won t even get aggro from the main swarm .... tested so many times on my safe

[@Nilaus]

Each Relay Station you shoot down will increase the Hive threat A LOT, so you will need to deal with a lot of space ship attacks instead. This way you also get nice Geothermal power and starve the Hive rather than force it into a frenzy

[@LarsHoppa]

No. If you kill the relay while in transit or before the base is completed the kill does not increase hive threat.

[@francescovitali4780]

True

[@michalhopehurt7032]

@@LarsHoppa yep thats what i Said ifzu kill IT before IT lands u won t increase the threat

[@sgtmichael812]

Lasers are nice no ammo cost a bit high energy but its worth it

[@Nilaus]

they don't work at all for this. Missile Turrets have range to cover the entire planet. Lasers do not. They need line of sight so the curvature will prevent them from protecting the entire planet unless you spam them everywhere

[@aracuron9956]

I have a Single Installation of 4*4 missile launcher as defense Center, if any Signal tower mrks. Target, this Installation takes the out. But lasers are alo usefull, I use 4 to distract Dark Fog units, keep thm busy with diing so I can plce a Signaltower under their noses. Than this lives long enough, the missile Installation tkes out those lasers and plasma sentries of Dark Fog, so the tower survives and the missiles destroy the base. But nilaus, your missile Center is a bit of an overkill, or is it intentional that big to counter even bigger threats later, like space hive fleets?

[@DJTimeLock]

I wonder if they can go through planatary shields? Would probably be easier to prevent them from landing in the first place

[@rekrn12345]

The shields only protect from orbital bombardment. They will still land.

[@DJTimeLock]

@@rekrn12345 ah thats unfortunate but makes sense.

[@saynay302]

They can, yeah. I have like 96% coverage of shields, which means at least partial shield coverage over everything. While extremely rare, I have had the Fog try to build a base.

[@ryanthomas9087]

Great stuff, thanks for all the info. I'm having trouble figuring out how to use the blueprints. I found the blueprint Google doc but only see a couple of new ones for Dark Fog. How do I get/link to the full list of all blueprints? (Especially trying to get the Power-Solar one

[@cvrkii]

It's in Planet Scale Blueprints folder

[@DaxSudo]

should add that repair tower to the global blueprint

[@sillerbarly4927]

So basically you turn all your palnets into a fortress world

[@manelmv97]

how come you not making a north and south turret rings? so you have simetry, or tropic rings.. no?

[@manelmv97]

By saying the planet is yours? means that they will never ever aghain spawn? or.... like they keep spawning right?

[@mads12344]

Where do you Get all that soil from i always struggle whit it

[@Nilaus]

I pave everything and the Dark Fog units give a nice amount of soil. You will never be lacking soil again if you are killing Dark Fog mobs

[@randyrowe1182]

Am I blind? i dont see this latest blueprint on his shared google drive.

[@kalgi8276]

same-.-

[@Erkle64]

It's in the Planet Scale Blueprints folder.

[@hensola]

Q: Is there no way to get infinite ore anymore? Booted up the game first time yesterday and I see the tech tree fully unlocks for me, but the ore veins have a finiite limit. Is this new?

[@LoPhatKao]

in your universe setup you can pick infinite resources (slider all the way right)

[@Takamitzu]

I would love if they make some Changes to the Dark Fog, like it raises somewhere else in a different galaxy and gets active in the later stage of the game in a way bigger and aggressive kind. In that case i the entire Fight against the fog could be way a more defensive nature till another point even more later one where player would get access to Hard hitting offensive options. That would fit better into the setting in my eyes and also would remove that annoying early game part with the fog where its more kind of lesser fun part in my opinion.

[@giin97]

So you would rather it be alien instead of a failed prior COSMO initiative? I think it being a mistake you have to contend with and fix fits the current setting quite well, and goes a long way to explain why you're the mind of a human engineer with an AI assistant uplinked to Icarus instead of just being an AI.

[@Fky12345]

Kick Start Power 86 MW Blueprint not found

[@salionshatterstar]

When the dark fog lands in a new place, are there any restrictions? Could they land in the middle of your base or on a resource patch and destroy buildings or resource nodes?

[@HorseyNO]

It seems like they only land in an area where you don’t have buildings. They stopped coming entirely on my planet once I had stuff built over all of it and starting coming again when I cleared a big area temporarily

[@chuipi]

Does this have battleships or is it just the little drones and the turrets for defense?

[@Nilaus]

Just missile turrets

[@Wingdnadlla]

For defenses, I thought I saw orbital cannons are they shit or are the missiles just that good

[@Nilaus]

Plasma Cannons are much later tech and Missiles are insanely good

[@Erkle64]

Plasma cannons will destroy incoming ships before they even get in range to shoot your factory. But missile turrets are great for early game, or late game when combined with planetary shields. Plasma cannons are also great for destroying the hive if you're lucky enough to have a planet that passes near it. One of mine gets within range every few hours.

[@LaMainy]

how much gameplay time did it take, do you have an estimate?

[@Nilaus]

you can see in the lower right hand corner the start time for recording and the end time. I think about 2 hours recording for the entire video

[@TheseAreWeirdTimes]

Is it possible to actually kick out the Dark Fog from the entire System?

[@ThatSockmonkey]

Yes, eventually. You need combat ships. From what I've seen, you'll need a LOT of corvettes/combat craft and a lot more planetary defence before you try it though.

[@Erkle64]

Once you start attacking the hive you don't need planetary defense anymore. Attacking the hive actually decreases the threat. And yeah, a thousand or more corvettes in your inventory is advisable in my experience. @@ThatSockmonkey

[@DougsTech]

What if they instead wipe you from orbit?

[@Nilaus]

That is not how the mechanics of the Dark Fog works. The Hive will send attacks based on your power generated in the system, but it will not increase based on killing Planetary bases. Next episode will address that question ;)

[@rustyredbeard]

The two most annoying things in factory games are 'off by one' errors

[@chemie7037]

DF should scale/progress globally on all planets based on your progress. As they have now, when you go to other planets, DF are small and low level since it is only on planetary basis. Meanwhile your tech has progressed so it is too easy. If those other planets in your home system had scaled to yellow or purple level equivalent, might have been a better fight. As a a minimum it should look at total power, not planet level power.

[@A_Simple_Neurose]

That's what it does though. My hives are lv30 and whenever I go to another system it's usually a lv 15-20 hive that awaits me.

[@chemie7037]

@@A_Simple_NeuroseSo I assume you are not removing the planet infestations and farming? Because that is the only way to get to lvl30 on a planet. From my experience, my home planet started at lvl 4 (diff=4) and I removed them all but left relays. When I went to the next planet in system, they were also lvl 4 and only slightly bigger than the starting game size but I now had massive missiles and easily removed those bases.

[@louwrenshaasbroek3514]

cadia stands

[@soros001]

I hate to be that guy, good video btw... BUT, if you think that will be impenetrable defence, you're not paying attention.

[@CostelloDamian]

It looks extremely boring and easy. Dark fog, seems like more of a nuisance than actual challenge.

[@Nilaus]

crank up the difficulty then. It looks easy because I know what I am doing, but you can see other creators struggle on much easier settings

[@CostelloDamian]

Yeah. I kind of messed up with watching your video first. I can't un-see the strategy with rockets and signal turrets xD@@Nilaus

[@PeteDunes]

A lot of the things in this update are way to cumbersome, like the placement of shield towers, signal towers, turrets, battlefield analyses base, etc in the most efficient, economic way, I feel like I have to plaster my whole planet with these things to be effective, making my factories look like shit. I can't even bother to use anything but missile towers anymore for ground defense. I just paste one of my blueprints with 42 missile towers, and use signal towers to do the rest. All the other things for ground defense are just useless. Seriously why do we have battlefield analyses bases with such a short range? As a result you have to plaster your whole planet with them, or just use one farm spot, but that makes their whole concept fall battlefield analyses bases apart. And then this nonsense about the enemy bases that keep rebuilding themselves at the exact same spot, that gets tiring too, just like these turrets that need to fed with belt, chests, or combined with drones, at least give it some built in logistic distributor, or allow us to attach one to the side. Don't even get me started about these useless warning messages. Oh, there is a major attack soon being launched? I go to that planet and I don't have that temporary mini base there anymore, but by accident left one tesla tower standing, so I flew 10 light years because of a tesla tower.... what a joke. And these stupid drones attack everything in sight, the hive twice turned to 90%+ because these dumb things decided to attack it automatically, and so far the only think I've found to stop them from attacking, is to take them out of the fleet. They're good at making factory games, that's for sure, but when it comes to combat, they still got a lot to learn. Don't even get me started about how poorly everything is documented. What do those blue numbers mean in the specs of drones, they can't be bother to explain that either. And my God.... just the time you have to wait to find out whether that shield pole you just placed grew into a shield that almost perfectly melted together with other shield, that map overview of the shield isn't even all that useful. You can't even get a view of the range of a signal tower unless you touch it, but when you walk away too far, that range indicator disappears. To make matters even worse.... your factory start to look like a mess.