Imperator: Rome - Part 5 - Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal

[@davidsaygi8587]

I, too, do not get dates locally and lack access to the honeys

[@TheTruth-xp2of]

The time honored solution in this situation is to pay for some horse.

[@q31544]

The Truth god bless you

[@OblivionOtaku]

Some KZbinr put his olives on Twitter. I didn't want them though Now I need bleach for my eyes.

[@MadTurnip]

You know, this comment thread must be so confusing to those who still learn English xD

[@Mistwolfss]

55:30 57:10 did y'all know Jon likes to have multiple dates from Egypt?

[@BaronVonMott]

* *Athens* * I prefer the real Greece * *Sparta* * I said the REAL Greece * *Greater Elis* * Perfection 👌

[@randomsandwichian]

Ah yes, another man of (a different) culture

[@epicurius1]

So fun little trivia about the silk in the Aegean Islands. It's not actually silk, but a product called sea silk, or byssus. There are clams in the eastern Mediterranean called pen shells, and they attach themselves to rocks using these silklike filaments. The ancient Greeks realized that, if you harvested the shells, you could make cloth out of the filaments, which was very strong, very light, and, if treated with lemon juice, turned a golden color that didn't fade. IT was rare and precious, and even small amounts were remarkably expensive. It's not harvested anymore, but it was up until the beginning of the 20th century. The clams are almost extinct, and pretty much everyone who knew how to prepare it has died.

[@blazeneko4230]

S D That’s pretty amazing! Too bad that a certain someone is going to get them for that added commerce income...

[@OblivionOtaku]

Country boats, take us home To the Crete we belong East Minoa Greek civ papa Country boats, take us home Almost Olympians, The Minoans Mare nostrum with many ships Linear writing and all the trees Drinking all the greek wine Two cups for Hercules Country boats...

[@josephstalin5305]

OblivionOtaku honestly that was the best thing I’ve ever read and I read the communist manifesto back in high school

[@OblivionOtaku]

Thank you, Comrade Premier. ... ...I am still getting sent to the gulag, am I?

[@BewareofTarps]

Please colonize the abandoned former Spartan city, now that you have a naval border with it and can send a colonizing POP. Otherwise it's gonna bother me.

[@brekiel_scripts]

I'm somewhat unnerved by how...on top of things Jon is in this series. He's getting into the little details, spotting troublesome political entanglements as well as brief moments of weakness to act on. It's all very uncharacteristically observant. Of course, now that I've said that, there'll be a wrinkle in his Phrygia plan that will have the audience shouting at him.

[@Alucard13211]

Probably a mixture of 'Paradox game that Jon enjoys so much' and 'Ancient Historicalness' which we all know Jon just ADORES

[@Zeratul7559]

Now that you have become a regional power dont forget to select your third goverment idea to regain the bonus. Might also be worth changing your current ideas as you will have unlocked more due to your research.

[@yourethatmantis5178]

I will say this about Jon. He makes the simple mundane choices you have to make in this game seem like epic feats of strategy

[@randomsandwichian]

Legionnaire: Imperator, the odd are against us! Jon: *ahhhh, screw it*

[@yourethehippopotamus9266]

I wish the cohorts icon showed effective cohorts rather than actual, or at least that you could somehow ascertain that number through espionage. I recently invaded a neighbor with much apprehension as they had 36 cohorts and ~0 manpower. When I finally found them hiding they had 12k troops... I would have invaded much earlier had I had access to some way to determine their true strength.

[@ManyATrueNerd]

Absolutely agree - some form of spying system so you can spend something to gain access to visibility of neighbouring territory to some extent would be great.

[@Kuhlfurst]

@@ManyATrueNerd Check the other country's manpower pool and look at how much they need to reinforce their armies. So if a country has 80 cohorts but needs 46,000 men to reinforce, it means they have 34,000 effective troops.

[@LektorStomperud]

If you hover the mouse over their manpower, it will show how many troops they need to reinforce their army. So you can calculate how many effective cohorts they have.

[@yourethehippopotamus9266]

@@LektorStomperud Thanks! I figured that out just last night. Very useful.

[@bfmtrooper5454]

Yes! Another imperator rome video,this is my fav series, keep it up,love your videos

[@TGCommander]

You can block a strait with your fleet if you own atleast one of the territories. If the enemy own both then they can cross. No need to deploy your own troops to block an enemy from crossing or to hire any mercenaries.

[@o-mangaming5042]

Good to know in future. He could have done that after conquering Crete and dropping his forces in Sparta, which would have freed up his eleven thousand to go reinforce the siege.

[@PhogofWar]

John this series is great. The only thing I miss is the absurd characters and events of CK2 and the world you created for us. All Hail, Queen Yuselass!

[@MattDunnachie]

My favourite episode yet! Jon did a great job showing off how important picking the right diplomatic moment to go to war is! Also what an expansion, wow!

[@MrSpageto]

John, you can sue for peace from individual factions in a war. If they're not the war leader, the war continues. Its a really easy way to clear up armies to move to new warfronts.

[@oliveoiltears]

Polemarch: IT'S TIME TO TAKE SPARTA, OUR SUCCESS IS IMMINENT. THE SIEGE IS ALMOST WON. Hoplite: Uhh, sir. Barry the skirmisher just died so we no longer have exactly 10000 men or more. Polemarch: ,The sieg eiis llost. We hhave failed.;; WWe must wit hdraw A sadd ay for Elis.. II''m so so sorry.

[@lifesimulator3964]

Never have I seen a man tear up from joy of seeing the number 16

[@nojourneywithin2770]

Good job Jon. Julianus Vitinius would be proud. He is however rolling in his diamond encrusted grave due to this Romes stupidity.

[@Silverhawk100]

Well, except for the fact that Aechia is pagan and he is known for butchering pagans.

[@MST3Killa]

Emperor Jon: "Right, who wants to be Admiral then?" Court of Lords scratches their necks and remark on the fine weather.

[@juliuszondag5515]

Poor old Crete. They worked so long to form together and Jon just ate them.

[@nathanmoore8104]

This is my favorite series on KZbin!!

[@blazelega2985]

When there are multiple opponents in a war that you've sieged down, you can usually negotiate for a separate peace. You can actually gain even more money this way, and it will only knock out 1 country and won't end the war.

[@monsieurlaguillotine3481]

*SCREAMS IN LATIN AND WAVES GLADIUS* I so wish I could get this to actually run. This looks like an absolute blast.

[@samreid6010]

Or the mercenaries could catch rides home on merchant ships.

[@jchen3]

Really loving this series. Keep em coming.

[@sharkofjoy]

You mad bastard, I can't believe that worked! You're becoming a powerful little nation!

[@pookibrine1811]

Woot woot, this is one of my favourite series on youtube can't wait to see what happens this episode

[@andrewstevens3771]

Liked for the video name alone. Need to start my annual viewing of Firefly...

[@Narmatonia]

I don’t know if this carried over from EU4, but in that game if you parked a fleet in a sea province with a strait, you block enemy armies from crossing the strait, so once the mercenaries were dropped off he could have used the boats to block Sparta while his army sieged their fort

[@couplingrhino]

I can't help noticing that Cyrene is looking rather lonely, isolated and conquerable just south of Crete. Easy pickings!

[@kayeka4123]

It would give him a land border with Egypt, though. Normally those guys are pretty chill, as they prefer kicking Seleucid and Phrygid butt, but you don´t want to necessarily tempt them either.

[@BarbarrossaPK]

If you’re thinking about going into War with Phrygia you should consider building more fortresses. Atleast on Crete and this smal island near Crete. + some fortresses on your borders.

[@NoNumbersAfterName]

Good beard = Good charisma

[@blarg2429]

Truth.

[@lifesimulator3964]

“I am inevitable” - Jon the Traitor 2019

[@smilosabercat]

I am having a lot of fun watching these Jon, keep'em coming. Thanks.

[@MRFlackAttack1]

Paradox needs to focus on two aspects with this game, make city states more interesting and dynamic to manage and add more depth to character and party/family interactions.

[@auxilia5024]

"I think this whole 'control the seas plan could work!" * Rule Britannia earrape plays in background

[@Nausico]

I am enjoying this play through.

[@mewmew4179]

sound the alarms! ring the bells! The Punic wars have begun!

[@FonVegen]

The historic pattern of massive naval power versus massive land based power shows up in double here it would seem. Rome on land versus Carthage at sea (even though Rome here seems to be getting thoroughly stomped) and then Phrygia on land but without much of a navy versus Elis... pardon, *Achaea* that is now shaping up to be a major seafaring power and locking down control over for now the Agaean Sea but maybe soon the entire mare nostrum?

[@serrovosreaver1845]

i'll be honest i really want you to form Arkadia when you have conquered the entire province becouse it has some nice bonusses to do that

[@thomasclawson7183]

Jon, you should give Assassin's Creed Odyssey a look. Set during the Peloponnesian War. No Quest Marker mode is what the game was designed for. You get a ship to sail around the Aegean! Anyway, think you'd like it as you've said in the past you like the Assassin's Creed games. And I'd love to hear your historical commentary.

[@davidf6498]

So I'm not watching this series, but judging from his various Total War series I'm assuming Jon is the betrayer rather than the betrayed here.

[@kiritosao4759]

Right on time!!!^-^ thanks john

[@nv5509]

love 1h videos

[@justsammy2023]

"They can't go the straight route" of course not, they're Greek

[@ParkeraNZ]

Fantastic episode!

[@MrVlogman101]

Right on time

[@dathaniel9403]

I love the early version of this game, but typos in tooltips are all over this game. "Sparta is a WAR with Aetolia" at 6:33 to name one.

[@Scrunch6]

Very nice expansion!

[@MrGhosta5]

Their is actually a lot of things to do in peace, peace time is when you spend monarch points to restabalise and optomise your empire. stuff like consolidating slaves to give an extra surplus and assimilating pops to increase happiness.

[@TheGrinningViking]

Sparta's men were its walls, and its borders stretched as far as the tips of its spears: at least that's what King Agesilaus said. 🥚🐣

[@randomsandwichian]

Game: RNG Jon: ... Also Jon: *ahhh, screw it*

[@weasel9498]

@Many A True Nerd Deny Priests is law option, you can see in your laws tab that specific laws have effects on some stuff in your country, in your case, there is law that denies popularity to that faction

[@SahiPie]

Weasel 94 he has pointed that out in previous episodes mate

[@radordekeche947]

Crete likely didn't have many ships, so the better option would be to attack Sparta first, then separate peace them out for more money and land.

[@klisurovi4]

As far as i understood it, he has to take over the wargoal (Crete) in a certain time limit or the war automatically ends with a white peace, so he had to take them first. And if you meant he should have declared war directly on Sparta, that would have pulled in Macedon.

[@darkusplasma5682]

Love the vids

[@raananben-aviel3935]

Jon, think carefully now. Macedon might see you as a threat. Since you have the strait secured, in some way, you also need to think about the Aegean Sea, build a navy strong enough to blockade any Macedonian transports ship that would more and likely send troop's to Argos or Corinth. A war with Macedonia is inevitable and it's going to be a War of Attrition. The control of the Aegeans and the Straits of Patras should be where you need to fight. Try to find some Allies in Minor Asia with a decent navy size. Also when are you going to colonized Trozien.

[@fuhrab]

well done, sir!

[@tver3407]

So far I have really liked this game, it never impressed me ,its rather simple in its base form and i hope this improves without DLC's before it gets any DLC's. And Yes i agree Jon , in peace time there isn't much to do and i also don't think characters are fleshed out enough but that's my opinion. still ,great series!

[@MrGhosta5]

peace time is when you spend monarch points consolidating and promoting pops and converting them to your religion and culture. organizing trade routes, changing laws, building buildings

[@tver3407]

@@MrGhosta5 you are not restricted and can do these things during war, all it requires is the necessary mana and its all just a few clicks, not really much to manage... specially after playing CK2 where peacetime can sometimes be just as crazy as wartime. I personally like a lot of things , specially the loyal cohort system and trade.

[@entertheunknown3554]

John: We will rule over all this land and we will call it, this land. Sparta: How about we call it yoir death?! John: (meme title)

[@polishenglish8356]

Damn, what an amazing expansion!

[@Hunter-yc4pt]

I cant believe they named a subcontinent after bacon juice

[@tomothy1625]

Great title jon

[@DirkDwipple]

You could settle in Trozen.

[@sulla2499]

Awesome video! Maybe invest in constructing some granaries and markets in your cities to improve commerce income and population growth!

[@sonofskeletor33]

Jon sure loves his beards. If he ever went to the circus and met a bearded lady...

[@IncapableKakistocrat]

4:50 - This is the same issue I'm having with EU4. Some countries get really boring during peace time because there's a significant lack of politics and it's largely just waiting for numbers to tick up. I think the issue that both of these games have is that you aren't *as* involved in the management of the country as you are in CK2 or Stellaris. In CK2 if you aren't at war, you're always dealing with internal realm politics which can get quite complicated. In Stellaris when you aren't at war you're either managing your fleets, managing colonies, or managing your economy. Both EU4 an Imperator would be better games if they significantly reduced the importance of monarch points (maybe just limit their use to tech and some military actions) and made the existing systems much deeper and more interactive rather than 'spend X amount of points to do Y'. For foreign trade routes, you should have to properly negotiate, for example, and improving stability should be something you actually have to genuinely work towards rather than hitting the button once you have enough points to stab a pig.

[@autisticgamer4949]

Jon FYI, truces dont matter if your being called as an ally in a defensive war

[@collinsbaraza6140]

I feel like that's real-estate I'd rather be owning myself

[@mbpoblet]

Heh, I love how you're still not over that CK2 cancer... :D

[@crashedfighterproductions]

Could this be an Achean golden age?

[@vaughnhester889]

good job as always. does getting all that land give you access to a new name? Like I assume you will eventually be Greece itself but I don't know hat you have to take for that.

[@kayeka4123]

Eventually, if you are an Hellenic democracy, you can tag-switch to the Pan-Hellenic League. Dunno what the conditions are, though.

[@christianhill3397]

Hey MATN, you should appoint a dictator that's a good leader!

[@Deadly_Laser]

Jon, you should really switch to Arkadia. Those flat bonuses for the rest of the game are worth it.

[@thnecromaniac]

Hell to the yas, I'm happy with this, JUSTICE FOR GREECE!!!! Also, Sparta isn't even Sparta anymore 😂

[@burntbybrighteyes]

fyi gold is only worth something in the early to mid game. in the late game you'll have 99999 denarii and it can't go up anymore :)

[@ArthurEKing8472]

Jon remember, in this universe, Phrygia is not currently being controlled by Spiffing Brit

[@GamingGreyBeard]

It's a cool game but I miss the up close battles..

[@Nightingale1986]

Was it possible to block Peloponnese with a single ship of Spartan military and send the army to siege their homeland?

[@nnam_]

You know Jon, you had the exact same titel for the fourth Rome Total War livestream. Coincidence? I do not think so!

[@BauthorFowler]

Can I recommend starting a TW: Warhammer Mortal Empires campaign? I've started one myself (as Balthazar Gelt) and I've been getting kicked around so hard I went into options to make sure I was playing on Normal Difficulty (and I WAS). Twenty-five turns in and the bloody EMpire separatists are STILL hanging on. I know I'm no Julianus Vitinius, but this is INSANE. Please give it a try.

[@verdiss7487]

Not much to do for the next 5 years while waiting for manpower? Turn the speed up. There are 5 levels for a reason.

[@Embetebe]

Can someone, preferably Jon if he sees this, explain the relative benefits of heavy infantry, archers and horses? Is there some ideal ratio of different unit types? Is there no paper-scissor-rock aspect of different units in terms of army make up?

[@SahiPie]

Embetebe literally episode 1 if I recall correctly

[@Embetebe]

@@SahiPie I went back and checked and he didn't comment...

[@SahiPie]

Embetebe not episode 1 of this series, like the very first video he did on this game. I think it was a pre release build he was playing. Spoilers: the combat is ultra basic and it’s just a rock, paper, scissors deal.

[@princemamuwalde]

A very rite well spanking!! 👍🏾

[@th3highwayman]

I am inevitable. *i aimed for the head*

[@OblivionOtaku]

Where did your failures bring you? *Back To Crete*

[@cambennett8382]

Channel views rivaling the epic Fallout 76 series...

[@SatanKarma1]

should have taken all of Sparta and Aetoila

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

He wants the strait crossings for defense. Also, Macedon is not having access through Phrygian Megara, meaning a war between Jon and Macedon means that Macedon can't mobilize their troops to Achaea while Jon besieged Corinth.

[@raananben-aviel3935]

If Macedonia declares war now, yes, controlling the strait would play a major role on defending the Polpennese. However he need to build up a navy to control the Aegean sea against the Macedonian Navy/transport ship. After that all he needs to do is capture the cities of Argos and Corinth and set in a stalemate and enforce a peace treaty. Coming out the war with Argos and Corinth as prizes... plus he still need to colonized Troizen

[@Silverhawk100]

It's amusing that you've been on this giant conquering spree and the militarist faction has been politically insignificant.

[@Raycheetah]

War is good business. The Mercantile faction is well pleased. =^[.]^=

[@shorewall]

@@Raycheetah Yeah, he's the Carthage of the East Mediterranean, even down to the Mercs. :)

[@roryisland-oldaccountcheck833]

Damn, I'm late

[@jensjensen5077]

i want this game

[@fourlamb1]

I love your let's plays, and I wanted to love Imperator. I just find it quite boring really :( Edit. I dont mean your content, I mean the game itself. After playing about 30 odd hours.

[@iain.sm.c]

It's a lot of very tedious resource building with not much in between other than wars (IMO).

[@fourlamb1]

@@iain.sm.c I agree, even the building is so boring though, 4 different building types. 4!! Also the combat isn't too fun either, the game appears to me to be a "paint the map your colour game" with not much to it.

[@iain.sm.c]

Agreed. I think in about two years or so, it'll be a much better, more faceted game hopefully.

[@fourlamb1]

@ThatCrazy Drunk Yeah unfortunately, I bought the deluxe edition, I think it was £45. Each DLC is gonna be at least another 10 I'd say. So realistically, full game is about £80-100. I sont mind paying that but I expect a full game at launch, not a shell. You've got the right idea with waiting mate!

[@fourlamb1]

@@iain.sm.c Hopefully, but two years mate! There'll be another game out by then probably. I'm just looking forward to three kingdoms total war now.

[@Czarhay]

I've been playing as Egypt and have been eating Greece and phrygia because they backstabbed me.

[@Shads62]

so disappointed in this game. Not what I expect from Paradox.

[@entertheunknown3554]

There never good at the start, we know this.

[@BaronVonMott]

On the contrary, if HOI4 and Stellaris are anything to go by, a basic initial game with implied potential for expansions, mods or updates is EXACTLY what I expect from Paradox.

[@Malovane77]

@@entertheunknown3554 Problem is that people who play their games have played less bland and soulless versions of this game already, and it will take years before it's worthwhile to get into.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Exactly what I expected from Paradox, shame they haven't improved their releases in over a decade.

[@MercuryManProduction]

Really? What do you expect from Paradox? HOI4, Stellaris, EU4, and CK2 were all dissapointing and unfinished games at release. Every Paradox game takes a few years, a number of patches, and 2 or 3 massive DLCs before they get really good.

[@SimonL98B]

Cookie

[@TheDecWhale]

So, is there a reason why you spend most of the game on speed 3? (A legit question, not meant as criticism)

[@huckthatdish]

The Decadent Whale he makes decisions while paused then has to wait for things to happen. Something comes up, you pause and think about it. Since it’s a mama game, which inherently involves waiting, there isn’t much reason to not be either paused and making decisions, or moving time as fast as possible.theres no aspect of the game where you want time moving but only slowly. You always have time to pause and react at 3x so no need to play at 1x

[@EternalAnglo]

Control the seas? i thought you were playing Greece not Britannia! Only Britannia can rule the waves!!!

[@macattackmicmac]

I might be alone in this sentiment, but I am finding this series to be a little bit dull. I find there is next to no story being carried through as there was in CK II with grand plans for expansion and intrigue, nor the stories of developing characters as in the total war series. It's a shame but it feels like this game is a foundation which won't be complete for another 2 years and cost 4 times the original price.

[@rush4in]

Paradox titles for you at launch. This is the only series of this game I'm able to watch, and it's only because Jon makes it interesting with how immersed he is

[@macattackmicmac]

@@rush4in yeah, though I feel like even Jon isn't able to make up for the lack of storytelling and continuity in the game right now.

[@rush4in]

@@macattackmicmac He's barely managing for me but I have the feeling that once he grows stronger everything will become so trivial that nothing will manage to

[@lordjustinian2913]

I don't really like how the war score works here, I honestly prefer how Crusader Kings II does it, if you fight an allied kingdom, you can't get their land, you just get the land that you basically had a claim on. It's kind of silly that an ally would give up territory for a fight that didn't really affect their lands because you kinda don't have any claims on Sparta, so you should not be able to take the location just because you took it from a war in which they joined as a ally. It also allows for a slower plan and more actual tactics on how you conquer an area.

[@MercuryManProduction]

"It's kind of silly that an ally would give up territory for a fight that didn't really affect their lands" Except that isn't what happened here. He took Crete, and he also took mainland Sparta, but only after sending in an army and taking the cities by force. It wouldn't have made sense if he couldn't take Sparta, because how the hell were they going to stop him? Whats silly is that, in games like CK2, I can declare war on someone, defeat their entire army, siege their capital, take the leader and their family captive, and then only take the one county I have a claim on. Why? I own them, there is literally nothing they can do to stop me. Its silly that I can't just demand to take the land I've already conquered. What are they going to do, say no? Its already mine. Sure, maybe the Pope or some other neighboring powers might object, but if they can't stop me either, why would I listen to them? That is exactly how wars worked, especially during the Roman era. There wasn't some magic rule that said you had to declare your intentions before declaring war, and stopping you from doing literally anything other than what you have a claim to do. And there was definitely no rule that said you were only allowed to conquer the people you had claims on. If they had friends, and those friends decided to fight you, they were now just another enemy in the war. If you defeat someones army, and march men into their cities, you get to decide what to do with them, regardless of why they got involved in the first place. If somebody comes up to you and says "excuse me sir, but you aren't allowed to conquer us, because we were just honoring an alliance. You've torn down our walls, killed all our fighting men, executed our generals and nobility, and your soldiers are eating in our great hall, but now you all have to leave, because you don't have a good claim on this land" you'd either execute him, put him in a cell, or just laugh in his face. Hell, claims weren't even really a thing back then. When Rome took Carthage, they didn't hire a guy to come up with fake reasons why Rome should really be in charge of each individual part of Carthage, and then take those parts one by one. They declared war because some Italian mercenaries in Sicily asked Rome for help fighting off the Carthaginians. A few decades and 3 wars later, Rome beat Carthage, and then they took control of basically all the territory Carthage had. Not because they had a claim on that land, but because they were in charge and there was nobody left to tell them no. In games like CK2, its not such a big deal, because CK2 is about a lot more than just war. Its about politics, and life at court, and ensuring a good future for your family and your descendants, and managing your realm. The wars are really unrealistic, but they aren't the main focus of the game, so thats okay. In its current state, Imperator Rome is 100% a map painter. There is almost zero city management, population management, or politics. The characters are all one-dimensional and interchangeable. They don't have personalities, just numbers, and unless one of them achieves something really impressive, you don't even remember their names once they're gone. Imperator Rome is a war game. Adding rules to make warfare slower, more complicated, and less realistic would only serve to slow the game down.

[@sam8922]

this game is boring and unimaginative. More like a board game with all the dice rolls and waiting for resources to build up.

[@librarianseth5572]

Thanks to Jon, I know that England got the Simpsons, while we Americans got John Oliver and Doctor Who- I honestly think we're the winners here

[@danielkjm]

When you will end this séries, this game is Really shallow and boring