Implikasyon ng pagkapanalo ng Sulu Sultanate sa claim ng Pilipinas sa Sabah, pag-aaralan ng DFA

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

Really pity this fellow who said ".…they lost, they lost.... it is final, it's final....". He smiled all the way in this Q&A session thinking the US$14.92B Sulu would get. But when Sulu lost in various courts of appeal, not only they failed to get the USD14.92B compensation but they has to pay Malaysia €100,000.00 as legal cost and possibly has to pay more to Malaysia as compensation if Malaysia proceeds to sue them. I wonder why the many Filipino media which reported and interviewed several persons when Sulu first won in Paris Court but silent when Sulu lost in various courts of appeal. I would like to see his reaction if he still has smile on her face.

[@bayotbuangcagayan2975]

Mabuhay Ang mga pilipino sa Sabah..

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

But their life there was not easy and always in fear of being caught as illegal immigrants and deported back to the Philippines.

[@charlespadamada5979]

Sana mapasa atin na ang Sabah at ng makinabang tayo sa resources doon

[@___Anakin.Skywalker]

Wag kanang umasa, ang dapat tanungin dyan ay yon citizen ng Sabah.

[@charlespadamada5979]

@@___Anakin.Skywalker pero legal at morally ours naman..at may decision na e.. so dapat na pag usapan na at harapin na katotohanan

[@___Anakin.Skywalker]

@@charlespadamada5979 Hindi naging part ng pilipinas yan. Si Diosdado Macapagal at Marcos lang nag push nyan

[@angelart3624]

@@___Anakin.Skywalker ugok mga squatters na malaysian ang dapat magtanong sa mayarin kung pwede ba sila tumira sa sabah

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

​@@charlespadamada5979, what was the decision?

[@pagehelbourn]

Latest news: 27.6.2023, The Hugue International Court of Justice rejects Sulu's claim on Sabah USD14.8 Billion. Yeaayy 👍🏻🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

@ 0:18 ~ he knew that the case had been rejected or dismissed by the court in Madrid but ironically he didn't research on what were the consequences of bringing the case to Paris Court when Madrid Court had already rejected their case. The consequences were: 1. They brought the case to Paris Court when Madrid Court had already rejected it. This was seen by Spanish judicial authority as "contempt of court" and "professional intrusiveness" by the Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa. 2. Following this, Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator was annulled, and his arbitration awarding Sulu was also annulled. 3. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa by Spanish judicial authority. 4. Since the Paris Court ruling awarding the Sulu was based on Stampa's arbitration, when Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator and his arbitration were annulled and became invalid, Paris Court ruling would also became invalid. 5. Thus on June 6th 2023, Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. It also made known that according to the 1878 agreement, there was no arbitration clause because it stated that any dispute arising from the agreement should be referred to Queen's Consul General of Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. 6. Paris Court of Appeal judgement was that "The Paris Court of Appeal thus came to the conclusion that there was sufficient reason to annul the exequatur - of the partial award (only) - without it being necessary to rule on the other grounds raised by the parties".

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

On 11 December 2023, the Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa had been charged in Madrid Court for "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness".

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

On 8th January 2024, Madrid Court found the Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa guilty and he was sentenced to 6 months imprisonment together with a ban from practicing as an Arbitrator for a year.

[@alexorigin3524]

Bakit nga ba ang tahimik ng pamahalaan about sa topic na to?

[@Vortex-u2f]

Confidential.. Gsto mo ata mag ka gyera eh.

[@___Anakin.Skywalker]

Pinag aaralan pa nila among magandang gawin. Hindi yan trial and error. Importante dyan a swak na swak ang mga decision kasi isang maliit na butas pwede mawala ang Sabah sa pilipinas o pag simulan ng Gera. Pag natalo ang Pilipinas sa Malaysia baka makuha pa nila ang Muslim Mindanao

[@charlespadamada5979]

@@Vortex-u2f tama din.. pero legal at morally our na iyan.. kailangan lang tangapin ng Malaysia ang totoo about jan

[@charlespadamada5979]

@@___Anakin.Skywalker tama din.. kaya kailangan gumawa ng factory ng war ship na Pinas.. at ng makagawa ng pang depensa sa anumang paraan at panahon.. dapat isang daang warship para maprotektahan lahat ng isla.. at magkaroon ng missile project system para makamura tayo, magkapag create ng practical na trabaho at extra kaalaman ang ating sandatahang lakas at hindi ginagawang tambay ang ilan or utos utosan lang ng nakatataas..i convert ang nga Mandirigma ng armadong grupo na taga mindanao na gawing reserve soldiers at bigyan ng training sa defence under our goverment command para di tayo watak watak sa ating depensa.. gumawa ng military base malapit sa Sabah na may regular activity or drill at factory ng nga gamit pang digma or war products factory..sana magkaambition din tayo ng pang war defence at war products at war unity practice and loyalty defence sa Mindanao.. we can turn weakness as strength kung tama ang decision at direction natin.. kaya natin gawing lakas ang kahinaan ng Bansa kung maganda ang program at systema natin.. nasa management lang iyan

[@Vortex-u2f]

@@___Anakin.Skywalker Di nila pwede kunin ang mindanao if matuloy ang gyera sa sabah.. Kasi nakasaad sa international law na bawal magpalawak ng lupa pag kasapi sa United Nation.. If sakupin ng malaysian ang mindanao.. Papasok na ang mga kakampi neto like US or Australian.. Kung wala kang sapat na documento na pagmamay-ari mo yun gsto mong kunin na lupa.. Ay pwede kang hatulan sa international supreme court or nagmamatigas ka pwede ka gyerahin din ng mga kaalyado nito.. Remember: allied tau ng US ang Malaysian naman di sila kaalyado ng UN. Kaya takot din ang Malaysian saatin.

[@yunusjhon651]

How could final reward has given to claimant can appeal again thru the Arbitration Court can be canceled the the claimant in win result case ?

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

The Spanish Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa's action of bringing the Sulu claim case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision in favour of Malaysia was seen by Spanish judicial authority as "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". Following this, Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator was revoked and annulled by Spanish Court. His arbitration award to Sulu of US$14.92B compensation was also annulled. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa. Sulu and Stampa tried to appeal in higher Spanish courts but failed. And finally Spanish Constitutional Court upheld lower courts' decisions revoking Stampa's appoinment as an arbitrator and annulling his arbitration on Sulu's claim. On 11 December the rogue Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa was charged in Madrid Court for "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". On 8 January 2024, the court found him guilty and was sentence for 6 months imprisonment together with a ban from practicing as an Arbitrator for a year.

[@codfusilli5879]

Pag aaralan pa?! Kunin na! Gyera kung Gyera!

[@RelDoy413]

Tama gyera na wala naman yang karanasan sa gyera yang mga malay

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

Had been hearing this kind of rhetoric since 30, 40, 50 years ago.

[@nashbenavidez9893]

Gagaling ng Senator ngayon active sa mga bagay na makakatulong sa bansa at sa pilipino

[@pongtswaila7922]

Di nmn tumulong pinas dyan

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

@ 4:06 ~ he confidently said "...they lost, they lost... is final, final". Ha ha ha. Sulu finally lost in various courts of appeal.

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

@ 4:24 ~ can no longer be reversed. But it had already been reversed. Sulu lost in various courts of appeal.

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

He commented with smiles on his face. I wonder if he ever makes any comment when Sulu lost in various courts of appeal. I wonder if he still had smiles on his face.

[@rizzarevilla743]

Nanalo.cla sa kaso may hawak cla documents na pinapaupa lang nila saba sa malaysia at ngyon pinagbabayad ang Malaysia ng 14billion us dollar dahil sa hindi nito pagbayad sa renta

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

​@rizzarevilla743 , Sulu finally lost in various courts of appeal and failed to get the US$14.92B compensation. Instead Sulu has to pay Malaysia €100,000 as legal cost imposed by Paris Court of Appeal.

[@yunusjhon651]

Heir...

[@yunusjhon651]

Today SAbah is administered by the origin of Chinese and sharing with Malay tribes as the owner of Sabah .while Philippine was lost of right in appeal by tribunal ruling recently.Good bye Sultan for sleeping too long.

[@yunusjhon651]

The sulu sultanate right is already void and not recognizing the hair.

[@rimurugaming3472]

pubic hair?

[@ismailli6991]

Menurut undang2, hak kesultanan Sulu sudah lama terbatal melalui banyak surat perjanjian dengan penjajah, Sabah pun sudah merdeka bersama Malaysia sedangkan Sulu tidak pernah merdeka lucu dan pelik 😂😂

[@TotsLion-e3e]

Sultanate of sulu Tausug citizens 😂

[@pageb.313]

sabah is belong to the philippines.because the owner is sultanate of sulu,can be assingned to the republic of the philippines.

[@pongtswaila7922]

​@Hope Lope ha? E nanalo na nga

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

​@@pongtswaila7922, who won? And what was won?

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

​@@pongtswaila7922 , I ask again. ​​@pongtswaila7922 , who won? And what was won?

[@muhammadaliffzulfikarabuba7999]

Do the people of SABAH agree with this, i mean legally and historicly they lived on SABAH even before the sultanante of sulu was formed, and they did voted in the COBBOLD COMMISION created by the UN to join MALAYSIA. If we dont have permission from the UN and the people of SABAH, then the PHILLIPINES will just the be the aggresors😅😅😅

[@C.I.MSossa]

sabah is bangsa suluk territory

[@anchetalago2617]

sabah is a filipino teritory at first a lot of filipino there have been kick out in sabah and almost the sabah population is chinese and malaysian and other filipinos a lot of them have been deported back here in philipines

[@abdulwahidmdtahir3660]

​@@anchetalago2617, Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented. When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah. What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory. In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British. On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says: "I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia". Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website.