Pokemon Main Series Games Tier List THE PREMIUM - Gen Winner

[@ImportedCheese]

Inconvenient Editing Mistakes Uh there was supposed to be spooky music at 2:58:08

[@randomname285]

inconvenience should be hisuian qwilfish

[@ImportedCheese]

it is

[@randomname285]

@@ImportedCheese oops my bad couldn't tell on my screen, as you were

[@poof346]

Part of being a Pokémon fan is getting disillusioned with the franchise

[@ImportedCheese]

Guess I'm a fan then lmao

[@M0D776]

My relationship with Pokémon is Stockholm Syndrome

[@bobfrank7339]

Last time game freak swindled some coins from me was x and why just why never again I'll observe from afar

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

There are four kinds of pokemon fans. The fans, who became disillusioned and stopped buying the games somewhere between Ultra Sun and Moon and now The lunatics who only play pokemon, they don't have time to play anything else because they're busy shiny hunting their third Spheal. The secondaries who haven't finished a pokemon game since black and white, and are bamboozled at how bad the games are now before they fall back asleep and forget about it. And the patricians/degenerates who obtained a barely passing, 59.8% score on Pokemon Smash or Pass, or better.

[@Dseraph1808]

I agree and disagree with this at the same time. Of course the games we played in our childhood have a much more special place in our hearts than the ones we play now in the little time we have between work and other adult responsibilities. But the fact is that these games were made for children when we played them as children and they are still made for children now. Of course at the time red and blue/ gold and silver and even ruby and sapphire were released, only children played them as it was a new thing. The difference is that now, we have a big percentage of the game's player base being adults who grew up with it and still play it. If you look at it from this perspective, you can't deny that a child will have a ton of fun playing Pokémon Scarlet/Violet, even with all its glitches. We all know how broken and glitchy the gen 1 games were and we didn't care and we still see them as amazing. Of course that doesn't entirely excuse gamefreak for releasing a game filled with glitches and performance issues, the game runs very poorly, looks kinda bad even for a switch game and has a lot of glitches, but is a child who is getting into pokemon really going to care about that? When I play a Pokémon game I don't want it to be a masterpiece, I don't want 8K graphics, a deep and compelling storyline, in depth RPG mechanics and mind bending combat systems. I just want to find cool Pokémon, catch them, do some battles, get the gym badges, beat the E4 and then maybe do some post game stuff like completing the Pokédex, shiny hunt for 1 Pokémon I really like or do a bit of battle frontier/online battles. If you just go into the games with that mindset maybe you won't feel so disenchanted with the games. I had a lot of fun with Sword, had a lot of fun with the gen 4 remakes and currently having a lot of sun with Violet, even if the framerate and glitches are really annoying. Then you can say that as an adult you simply lost all interest in Pokémon, which is fine, but I don't think someone who lost all interest in Pokémon as they grew up would be watching a 3 hour video about it.

[@jaikeis]

Pokestar Studio's best feature was how every movie had a secret ending you could get by ignoring the script in a specific way that you had to figure out completely on your own (though the medals might have had hints, I don't remember). It really fleshed out the side game more than anything else in the franchise.

[@ImportedCheese]

Let's! Movie magic!

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

It's sole purpose was to get funny star battle intro

[@CassiDS]

Masuda *says* the reason for the Battle Frontier's exclusion stemmed from so many things competing for people's attention, but I think it could *actually* stem from what people refer to as What Annual Releases Do To A Mofo.

[@kvltofsobek90]

Such a stupid cop-out excuse. "Lets just omit content from the game because people do other things" Why make the game at all then? Do they think games have a deadline to be 100% finished that nobody can meet? What about those of us who do commit to finishing things we enjoy/set ourselves upon? Reeeee

[@ImportedCheese]

He was the director of HGSS...wtf happened

[@SylviesBadAtNamingStuff]

@@ImportedCheesehgss was actually directed by shigeki morimoto, who also directed emerald.

[@UfoLoche]

The reason why the argument is the former and not the latter is because, despite how much money Pokemon brings in, Game Freak is a incredibly tiny company, and even still that company is split into two teams. If they tried to say it was because of annual releases, people would (Rightfully) point out that they could just hire some more employees to make the "HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD" better. Let's be bluntly honest: The issue here is not the annual releases. There are ways around the annual releases, the problem is Game Freak is lazy and doesn't want to do Pokemon anymore, they don't want to just be known as "The Pokemon Guys", but they're also unwilling to actually let go of it because then they'd go back to being known as "The company that made PULSEMAN". You know, the hit game PULSEMAN, who doesn't know and love PULSEMAN? GF wants to have their cake and eat it too, and because people reward them by buying the games, they keep cutting corners, doing less and less work. GF thinks they're too big to fall, and they're probably right.

[@antshield]

When I was a kid, before Silver came out in America, I got the Japanese version of Silver in an import shop where I sometimes bought Japanese Pokemon cards from. I used a fan walkthrough on an old Angelfire/Geocities site on the ancient internet to beat the game. The site used blurry screenshots and listed the Pokemon by their Japanese names written in English. I called Wooper, Uppa, for a long time. My greatest Pokemon memory was being in Victory Road and finding a mysterious brown sparkling Graveler. I was in shock and tried to catch it, but it used explosion. I looked for hours but never saw it again. My friends didn't believe me. Growing up with reading on the internet about Pokegods and Pikablu, finding the Truck, messing with and catching MissingNo, and finding out about Mew. Red and Blue were insane and filled me with so much wonder. Then, after all that, playing the Japanese Silver and finding out that you could go back to Kanto, and that Red exists at the end of the game. It felt like anything could happen in Pokemon. You just had to be there.

[@ImportedCheese]

U P P A gaming Those who weren't there will never understand!!!!!!!!!!

[@thohillesland]

One thing i find interesting about the gen 3 games is that they are the only Pokemon games to target a constant 60fps. Its not like it really matters when we are talking about turnbased RPGs, but i still think it is interesting

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm not even expecting double digits in the modern games

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

My frame rate is at least in the 20s, and I just use a normal setup. So idk who's doing things wrong here.

[@septum_funk]

@@thediabolicalraisin8953 hyperbole. it's not actually single digits. it would be absurdly choppy at that rate.

[@Gigadweeb]

Couple of other things about OR/AS vs. Emerald because I feel like defending that guy who said OR/AS ruined Hoenn (even if it was a bit hyperbolic to say the least and my list is nitpicky) - * OR/AS destroys the more recursive region design by teleporting/moving you somewhere after a few story beats when in R/S/E you were meant to use shortcuts to move around the region and also inadvertently end up discovering side areas to go through. It's around the midgame where you go up towards Fallarbor/Lavaridge. You're meant to go around the west of the region back towards Rustboro and then Mauville from Meteor Falls and discover the second half of Route 115, but you just get moved instead. Then from Lavaridge to Petalburg, which ends up skipping the desert you're meant to explore now that you have the Go-Goggles, and then once again from Petalburg to Mauville, which is the most egregious one imo - that stretch of the game is when you're meant to realise how much side routes there are to explore that have been blocked by Surf, there's a shortcut from Oldale to Slateport specifically for that stretch that becomes completely useless, you just end up skipping so much stuff, and the whole freeform exploration part of Hoenn is its biggest strength as a region, so to specifically go against that because 'uhhhh kids have phones lol just laser focus them along the story path' feels completely nonsensical. * a few dungeons are straight up ruined in OR/AS. New Mauville and Granite Cave are pretty much just single rooms there for story's sake when in Gen 3 they were full fledged dungeons. Yeah Scorched Slab gets an upgrade, but it seems like that was morseo just as an excuse for Heatran to be in there without feeling *too* lazy, and it's not a particularly impressive upgrade either. Sky Pillar has the challenge of it removed for the sake of the Delta Episode. Also fun flavour stuff like Mirage Tower and the Desert Underpass just straight-up isn't there. * a lot of the extra battles are skipped out on from Emerald - including the gym leader rematches. Not a massive thing, but it meant you didn't have to grind on just the E4 for extra levels in the postgame. There was a bit more variety in what you were seeing and you could be a bit more indecisive with what Pokémon were on your team in Emerald vs. R/S in the main game without falling behind on the level curve, and also of course the gym leaders were a *lot* harder in Emerald vs. R/S and by extension OR/AS. Tate and Liza became the nightmare of anybody who didn't pick Mudkip. At least we got the Wallace rematch as a nod to the Steven postgame boss, but still. Again, I'm aware some of this is nitpicky but on top of stuff like this, getting a free legendary in the midgame (especially considering the Latis are 2stronk), the Battle Frontier being grabbed away from us with Masuda and Ohmori giving us the finger while running away with it, OR/AS just fail as definitive versions to me. They're unironically the most disappointing games in the series to me, even vs. S/V and S/S, just because it would've been *so, so easy* to make them the best games in the series if they had just taken Emerald, added Gen 4-6 mechanical improvements and Pokémon to the game, improve encounter tables on the water so it's not just Tentacool and Wingull and made it 3D. Instead it just feels like a slightly more complete version of base R/S with bad changes to region design. 'The Battle Frontier Project has started!' is where I fell out of love with new games in the franchise.

[@ImportedCheese]

ok but there's too much water

[@Gigadweeb]

@@ImportedCheese understandable have a nice day

[@BynineStudio]

couldn't agree more

[@gtdfg4594]

I'm curious, what do you think about BDSP? Same deal? I really like them because they're essentially better D/P with about 60% of Platinum changes implemented in some way, though with intrusive affection introduced.

[@cashcloakburmy]

Gen 1’s “story” deserves a lot more attention imo. The idea of digital creatures was brand new at the time, and its technical limitations kept Pokémon from seeming like actual creatures at a glance. To fix this, the story pit us against A) an asshole rival that only cares for strength, and B) a criminal syndicate that only treats them as tools for evil. They’re juxtaposed with you, a trainer who loves and trusts their monsters, seeing them as beloved companions. Without Gen I’s story, we would see them as no more than garbled collections of pixels and numbers. For that, I think it deserves a ton of merit for how simply effective it was in teaching kids what Pokémon is all about.

[@ImportedCheese]

What if they made a game all about digital monsters! Any ideas for a catchy name?

[@ShadowChozo]

​@@ImportedCheese How about.... Digital Devil Saga?

[@WeebJail]

the story is great. here's a pokemon, go nuts. new games force so much story onto you that it just garbles up the experience. i dont care, shut up and lemme catch pokemon.

[@cashcloakburmy]

@@ImportedCheese how about robopon :)

[@topichu970]

omg hi oomfie

[@canaldecasta]

Pokémon's sleeper agent is so strong it may put MK Ultra to shame. As much as I dunk on this series I can't ignore the faint glimmer of glee whenver I pass by a store and see them selling card packs. Get out of me head. Get out of me head. I can't think no more, man.

[@ImportedCheese]

Resident sleeper?!

[@Someguy12121]

Its impossible for me. Everything in my room is Pokemon. Hell I still have the Elmer's branded Pokemon Glue from when I was in grade school.

[@BasedMace]

We just want it to be good again man

[@xKOSATx]

This open-world game is seamless. It has no seams. I guess that's why it falls apart Forget Imported Cheese, this is Imported Gold 😂😂

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm glad I thought of this one

[@EverGreenTaiga]

Venusaur might be the best Mega from a balance perspective. It started to fall off around this gen, but going Mega gives it like +20 to its offense and defense stats as well as a nice ability which neutralizes 2 of its weakness. And after all of that, it still has a couple of weakness which are decently accessible. Mega Venusaur is the reason why I will defend and advocate for Megas in future gens.

[@ImportedCheese]

Too bad it's gone

[@EverGreenTaiga]

@@ImportedCheese No need to remind me ;n;

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I like the ones like Beedrill and Lopunny. Turning atrocious, unusable pokemon into basically good pokemon is nice.

[@ralphbeez1411]

The real problem of megas is they were very very stupid and decided, "oh, we NEED to give it to popular mons that are already strong," and either were dissapointments like Mega Garchomp, or didn't think for two seconds and created monsters like Mega Kangaskhan. I just wish some megas could retroactively be evolutions (Mawile) with a bit of balancing, and return megas to fully evolved mons (Venusaur, Pidgeot, etc).

[@sinisterpuddle6655]

It bothers me so much how so many people say that disliking the newer games is just because we're getting older and it's kids games. No. The concept and basic gameplay loop of a Pokemon game is still intensely my kind of game. I just really wish the games were as high quality as I know they could be

[@ImportedCheese]

The detective pikachu graphics....

[@trashboat10969]

You cotton guarding up and defending yourself against chat was me back in 2011 against the gen wunners and people who started playing from DP. Gen 5 supremacy ✊

[@ImportedCheese]

gen winners will never surrender

[@sussy3778]

Fun Fact: GSC were the last games directed by the creator of the series, he stepped down to become an executive producer after it, almost all other games going forward were directed by Masuda, including Ruby and Sapphire which came after. So yeah… take that as you will.

[@ImportedCheese]

Wasn't HGSS Masuda?!

[@sussy3778]

@@ImportedCheese Nope, it was directed by Morimoto who also directed Emerald, he is also the guy who put Mew in the original games. Black and White 2 and Platinum also had different directors, and of the recent games, only USUM and Legend: Arceus were directed by someone other than Masuda or Ohmori.

[@ItsAZues]

Pokemon fans have not been eating good in modern times.

[@ImportedCheese]

and yet we have unlimited sandwiches

[@icegummi3177]

As soon as you foreshadowed HGSS's spot at the top, I started chanting "POKE! WALKER! POKE! WALKER!" and I'm thrilled that you ended up talking about it. I had a very similar experience with mine and I cherish those memories. Good times. Good video.

[@ImportedCheese]

Let's! Walking!

[@SUCHMISH]

Criticism is the backbone of improvement... Look, I find it funny how Sonic Fans got a better deal than the Pokemon fans in this scenario. I spent 60 dollars pre-ordering Sonic Frontiers (because the other choice was Pokemon Scarlet), and I didn't regret my decision after watching some glitch compilations. It makes it even more sadder that Sonic Team is giving us *FREE* DLC while Game Freak over here is saying "Welp! This shit is expensive and we clearly didn't charge enough, so fork over and additional 30 dollars!! LOL!!" is truly sickening... These people have enough money in their pockets to make free DLC where you can travel to Kanto, Joto, and the Hoenn regions and include Trastilization for all the Pokemon in those generations, they really have no excesses any more. Ohmori may say that they want to keep a small indie felling with there games, but that doesn't fly anymore since it's a billion dollar franchise. The other forms of Media that Pokemon has, well, to put it simple: No Game Freak = No Pokemon. Why do I say this, because the game came first. If it wasn't for Red and Blue, Green in Japan, and Yellow, then we wouldn't have the Anime, the cards, or the merchandise that came from it. Release schedules? Yeah, I think making a viable game should come first, and there is easy proof of that. Remember how bad Cyberpunk 2077 is? Or how about the opposite, where a game got delayed longer and came out in fantastic quality? Legend of Zelda Breath of the wild is a fantastic game that still holds up well on the switch, and it's sequel just released recently and is getting some amazing reviews. Seriously, we don't need a new Pokemon game every year, let alone twice in the same year (in the case of PS&V and PLA). Heck, even the arguments about why there is now two games is absolutely ludicrous. Just focus on making one game, and give us a single solid experience instead of 2 unfinished experiences that is uncomfortable without the other. Pokemon Legends Arcus could of been fantastic if they would of gave it more time in the oven. The same can be said if S&V were one game and had at least two more years in the oven. The point I'm getting at is that at this point what Game Freak is doing is getting more predatory. It's getting to the point where they just want to make nothing but money and push out the cheapest products possible since they are too big to fail. The fact that some Pokemon fans will attack/go ballistic/try to argue with dull and dried out points to shut down criticism relay proves the predatory practices further. It's sad when people get so blindsided on what they have here and now that they forget what potential it could have if this team where to experiment around, collect feedback, and make the changes and improvements that are needed, we could actually start getting good games again. But things need to drastically change... I think that Ohmori should step down, or change his views on what Pokemon is, because it's no longer a small indie game, it's a multi million dollar franchise bigger than all of Disney. Pokemon should Evolve, and should be allowed to evolve since evolution is apart of the games. I also think that Pokemon fans should chill about others opinions contraindicating theirs, and welcome criticism into the community. They need to remember that not everyone is going to like what they like, and that's ok!! But you need to remember that if you spend your time shutting up the critics, then you'll truly never have anything good in your life...

[@ImportedCheese]

Imagine losing to sonic

[@SUCHMISH]

@@ImportedCheese A certain doctor will sympathize with them here!! 🤣

[@emblemwarrior11]

You have earned my respect several times over for treating X and Y fairly. They have issues, but i adore them for being the last games with hidden optional areas. You can straight up just miss Earthquake, which would absolutely be in a hallway in Alola.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

After replaying XY, I was really surprised how "old pokemon" it still was. They might be the beginning of the modern pokemon era but they did come out right after BW, which were also awesome.

[@ImportedCheese]

It was only the beginning of the end

[@dinglepuss8594]

Insane how u managed to make this engaging for more than 3 hours extremely entertaining the intro was great

[@ImportedCheese]

Power of the PREMIUM, thanks for waiting two weeks

[@akai_shuichi_x]

For real. Watched the whole thing and the start was just as engaging as the middle and end.

[@EricWalkerUk]

Thoroughly agree with your list and, like you, I continue to buy these games despite how cynical they've become. Gens 1-5 really felt like a company that cared about the quality of games they were putting out and were trying to deliver a positive experience. After that, everything only ever came down to money, shortcuts and deadlines. Still some fun to be had but hidden under layers of corporate greed and cynicism.

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm sure Legends Celebi will be great

[@EricWalkerUk]

@@ImportedCheese 😂

[@EricWalkerUk]

@gnomefrompinkerton I agree there, I think Gen 6, sadly though, had some clear indicators of what was to come. I also blame it for starting the trend of battle gimmicks that apply to a single generation before being forgotten about again

[@EricWalkerUk]

@gnomefrompinkerton so so true about Tera and Dynamax 😂 like Tera had some really cool potential, yet they still messed it up - especially with the in-game teams. The only one where I was like "oh, this is actually a really good play", was when I went against Iono and her Mismagius

[@a.x.x8184]

@@gnomefrompinkertonGen 5&6 were rushed Gen 5 lasted 2 years 2011-2012 and Gen 6 was left unfinished to release Gen 7 for the anniversary.

[@Keepcalmandcupcakes]

I just want you to know, チーズ先輩, that even if your Fire Emblem videos aren't that popular, your playthrough series on Engage got me into the series. Someone told me Awakening was a good entry point for a newbie, and 10 hours in, I'm wondering why I never played these games sooner.

[@ImportedCheese]

Ignite the fire emblem!!!

[@oof5992]

Play Fates, you are gonna love it, especially conquest and revelations

[@itsyaboi1245]

Saying that Legends Arceus is one of the best pokemon games released in the past 10 years is probably true and absolutely NOT a compliment lmao

[@ImportedCheese]

This.....is true

[@arcuscotangens]

If memory serves from the live stream, you are spot on on just about everything here. You are far and away my favourite 'Poketuber' btw, and this tier list perfectly illustrates why.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for the support! Perhaps someday we will no longer be a P*ketuber

[@ninjafrog6966]

the sheer amount of content in HGSS is crazy. The director of the game had said that there’s so much content in them because he didn’t want them to feel like just simple remakes while still paying respects to the original games. meanwhile nowadays, pokemon games lack content because i guess children just enjoy mobile games too much and have short attention spans. i’m so glad the battle frontier has been a mainstay in the series to this very day! (seriously can we please get Shigeki Morimoto back as director?)

[@ImportedCheese]

No time to make full fledged games

[@Zthewise]

Crystal being my first game gave me a huge Johto bias. Then HGSS came out and polished the region to a mirror shine. Black 2 was amazing and the fact my copy was stolen really hurt my enjoyment of future games.

[@ImportedCheese]

In the mirror shine I see the reflection of a low level curve

[@Ektyrion]

This tierlist was quite the journey. The upbeat tone at the start, climbing slowly up the tier list to black and white 2 and then it slowly goes downhill from there until we crash into a 40 minute rant about the latest addition to the franchise with scarlet and violet. This video was more entertaining and relaxing than playing the latest pokemon games. Got hooked with the Warcraft 3 Reforged joke for blizzard nerf in gen1 and it kept getting better. Also, if someone reads this, check out Xenoblade Chronicles. This was not a meme, its a great game

[@ImportedCheese]

It was even longer than 40 minutes live!! Wish I could play Warcraft III Refunded

[@yayeeters4919]

"Pokemon Home support was promised by early 2023. It's April 30th. I'm waitin" Me too. 😔

[@ImportedCheese]

Took two weeks to edit this...still haven't released it...

[@ScarletDeclan]

I want to say that even though colosseum isn't great, it is still what got me BACK into pokemon. I agreed with your statements about gens 1-3 and saw them rapidly declining basically. Then colosseum came out and did something so absolutely wildly different story wise that it inspired me to go on playing pokemon after I legit sold all my games after ruby and Sapphire couldn't trade back to gens 1&2

[@ImportedCheese]

It has a uh....cool opening

[@cielbie8251]

I think thats something slightly overlooked. Games like Colloseum and Legends Arceus changed things up significantly while still feeling/working like the same game. Technically that doesn't make a game better per say, but it does make the game more fun and fresh to someone who has been playing the same game for 15 years (and still wants to enjoy the games and concept).

[@ScarletDeclan]

@@cielbie8251 yeah I mean it definitely makes a good excuse for playing the same thing. It doesn't make them good games but it certainly helps

[@LocalHobo631]

You don’t need to preface stuff like “although colosseum isn’t great…” just say it with your chest. Colosseum is easily better than the gen one games. Colosseum for all its flaws is still better than a lot of mainline games.

[@drperogie]

I think cheese is the only KZbinr that can release a video I already watched live and still get me to watch it twice more

[@ImportedCheese]

That's the PREMIUM experience!! Thanks for watching!

[@ApocPlzPking]

Pretty great list tbh. I'd nudge gen 1 to S tier just for being an actually novel game with fresh ideas and ambition. There's plenty of jank but relative to the hardware they released on, gen 1 and gen 2 are quite impressive. It's actually laughable how little each pokemon generation built on those foundations. Almost all that has followed is a copy/paste of a small town kid, three typical starter pokemon, a generic bird, a small mammal pokemon, 8 gyms, an elite four, a generic bad guy team etc etc. If I'm tiering them then they all lose points for being utterly stagnant and devoid of ambition. Up to gen 4/5 they did tweak and improve the combat systems at least. Platinum, bw/bw2 and HGSS are probably the sweet spot for being fun to play today. Gen 6 onwards it feels like pokemon solely targets an audience of four year olds who have never played a video game before. Atrocious stuff. It should be so much more.

[@ImportedCheese]

Almost every nintendo franchise grows with the audience....except this one

[@cel_irl]

As a shiny hunter, it's interesting seeing how your list compares to mine granted how we prioritize different things in pokemon games. Personally for me, because sun/moon introduced SOS chaining and X/Y introduced the friend safari, I've had a different experience with them since they are both really fun methods of hunting for shinies.

[@ImportedCheese]

good encounter rate on shiny gyarados!!!

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Any shiny caught after Gen 5 doesn't count, full odds or you're just cheating yourself

[@greatestever519]

I love that im nerdy enough to get all your references

[@ImportedCheese]

WoW will be great again someday

[@s3n4]

My experience with pokemon started with R/B/Y and ended with Legends: Arceus. Not because i didn't like it, but because I knew this was a game I would never replay. It left no lasting emotional or artistic impact on my life, save a couple of music tracks. I was so disappointed I skipped the DiaPa remakes and didn't even watch the trailers for S/V. I was certainly one of the Gen-1 sleeper agents, but I cant have this many false alarms over a 10 year period without seeing it any other way than a franchise that cries wolf every single time. You have to hand it to us Pokemon fans, who consistently cared more for this series than the company making it ever will.

[@ImportedCheese]

25 years....for this....

[@dany_fg]

opinion based tier list is the one place where an appropriate answer to "source ?" is "trust me bro"

[@ImportedCheese]

trust me bro

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Very thorough explanations given about the aesthetic qualities of the games. My biggest gripe about the series is despite being a series about evolving, the games change very slowly in terms of mechanics. Lord, do not get me started on how much time breeding in gen 2, 3, 4, & BW 1 took. B2W2 improved it a lot. Love the candy EXPs given out in Gen 8 as well. Makes the grind getting a competitive ready team to lvl 100 or 50 easy if you have the resources. Anyway, the biggest thing about the games are what does pokemon do better than other RPGs? Even rpgs relative to the times each game released, they're just outdone by those RPG standards. I love the series for the competitive, the lore, the music, & the locales, but there's RPGs that do everything better & quicker than pokemon. Then it hit me, the very monster taming genre is the biggest bindings the series has, as it will be held to the ridiculously short deadlines.

[@ImportedCheese]

Pokemon excels at.....pretty much nothing except being the Pokemon IP

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

@@ImportedCheese The competitive side of the game is insanely fun. The issue with that though is how is was severely mishandled in gen 1-5 (up to BW). It used to take days or even over a weak to get 1-2 competitive pokemon without action replay and rng manipulation.

[@Dante...]

2:17:49 That was one of the most unintentionally awkward cutscenes I've ever seen in a video game. It even sounds like the crowd is booing him! To be fair though, I'd be booing a singer who refused to use his voice too.

[@ImportedCheese]

Added the foot tapping and the crowd booing.......but not the song.........

[@SpencerStriderEnthusiast]

The game design for the original Pokémon game (red blue) could arguably be the greatest video game design in the history of any game, and this is coming from someone whose favorite all time game is Zelda. The stuff from Red/Blue is still being used to this day or has been used in multiple other Pokémon games going forward. I.E Safari Zone, acquiring a Bike, cycling road, Rival + rival battles throughout the game, SS Anne boat area, obtaining Fossils, obtaining and teaching TM 's and HM's (which can't be deleted), a wealthy town with a big shopping center and multiple floors, a haunted tower, a corporation building with multiple floors where you get Eevee, a game corner casino, an early game forest area, power plant, the ability to surf/fly/cut throughout the game etc. etc. The list could go on forever. Imagine where Pokémon would be today without Gen 1 originating all that and laying the foundation? You really have to step back and respect everything in that game while also being mind blown after every innovation they created. The original game design from Pokémon Red/Blue was made so perfect that the games are still being successfully created to this day. Truly ahead of its time.

[@ImportedCheese]

I agree!! Except Quality of Life was total trash, the Gen 1 PC boxes were a nightmare

[@protoman1339]

That's a nice level 132 haunter from rby, the glitches really do help make rby what it is

[@ImportedCheese]

wow look at all these extra features!! S A N D B O X

[@smtmonke]

STONKS!

[@Someguy12121]

A level 168 Squirtle popped for me recently. I think that is party based on your trainer name from what I remember seeing.

[@joshtheryuk]

Some of the Gen 1 mechanics were actually really interesting and should be brought back: 1) Speed increasing Crit Chance was a good thing. It made the Speed stat less boring and actually made some shitty pokemon like Persian good. Although it should be rebalanced to be less overpowered. Like you should not be able to have 100% crit chance. And crits should take into account your own stat buffs... It's stupid that crits are actually weaker if you use Swords Dance and shit. 2) Hyper Beam should still work like it did in Gen 1. It was a nice risk VS reward system. After the Gen 2 nerf, Hyper Beam is complete garbage that no sane trainer would use. 3) I love how some of the shitty stats fodder mons were actually good with Gen 1 jank. Bring that back! With less jank and more fodder mons getting the spotlight.

[@ImportedCheese]

Speed increasing crit would also let speed contribute even if the opponent outspeeds you, since if your opponent acts first your speed may as well be 0

[@vDomMusic]

My Personal Tier List as a fellow 29 year old life-long Pokemon fan SS - HG/SS S - FR/LG, Platinum, B/W, B/W 2, Emerald A - R/B/Y, G/S/C, R/S, Arceus B - Colloseum, XDGoD, R/S, Let's Go P/E, BD/SP C - D/P, X/Y, OR/AS D - S/M, Sw/Sh F - Unplayed - S/V, US/UM, Gen8 DLC Personally, I don't believe they have any F tier, unplayable 1/10 games from the ones I've played, but I've yet to play Scarlet and Violet so that could change. I also really didn't enjoy Sun and Moon so didn't even bother buying their sequels, making them the first main-line games I skipped ever. I do like the vibe of Sun and Moon which is why I didn't put them in F, but I totally could have. All my C tier games feel so soulless but I had a few things I enjoyed like wonder trading was extremely fun for doing "wonderlocke" Challenges, Likely won't play X and Y or the gen 3 remakes again though. Diamond and Pearl are in this tier due to being so frustrating to play now, back before Platinum was released, I might have actually put them in A or B tier since I was younger back then, as well as the sort of recency bias I had back then. For B tier, these are games that I like as a Pokemon fan but I really would not recommend non-Pokemon fans play them. I find the Let's Go games somewhat underrated. Yes, they are far too easy and they aren't aimed at myself as a target audience, but I have to admit I enjoy playing them to this day, I just ditch the starter and use weird Pokemon that I wouldn't normally use. As for the Gamecube games, I like how different they feel, I almost didn't want to include them though and don't always have a great time playing them. They can also be damn tough at times. A Tier is a a section I think is just so solid. Yellow was my first Pokemon game but I played all 3 of the Gen 1 games throughout my life at some point. Yes, they are flawed but there is a genuine amount of charm that is honestly un-matched in gaming that I could have S tiered them, but I tried to not have too much nostalgic bias. All of this goes for the gen 2 games, Johto is my favourite region and these were probably my favourite Pokemon games for a massive chunk of my life. More about Johto when I get to their remakes. Ruby and Sapphire are extremely solid and have a seriously dynamic region that felt like it was living and breathing. There's not too much to pick apart with these games. Arceus was simply the most fun I had playing a main-line Pokemon game since gen 5. It's flawed, ugly as fuck to look at and at times felt derivative, but it felt like the first time I was personally the target audience for a Pokemon game. I think this style of game could be the way forward for Game Freak. My S tier games are among my favourite games of all time, and are definitely my most re-played Pokemon games. FR/LG are just better gen 1, they are a little less charming but these are my recommended starting point for new players. I also love the added Sevii islands and wireless adaptors that came with them. Platinum is just so good, fixing all the issues with D&P really made Sinnoh stand out as an interesting region with a captivating story. I love playing Platinum and I find it a decent challenge as far as Pokemon games are concerned. B&W was amazing for me at the time. I love the story and the lessons they try to teach. I love the full brand new dex with no old mons until post game and I love the graphics and style. Same goes for the sequels but I liked the massive variety of Pokemon instead of the whole new dex. Emerald for me is just a much better R&S. Everything felt a bit more polished as well as the battle frontier being one of the best post games in Pokemon. SS is obvious, HG&SS was just the best for so many reasons. My favourite region was brought to life and enhanced so much! So much was added and felt right in place. Following Pokemon, Pokeathelon, better post game storyline, much more balanced and challenging difficulty, stunning remade music (with the included GBsounds), the Pokewalker was an interesting gimmick that was actually fun. Theres a lot I could say but is covered in this video better than what I can in a comment. Sorry for the wall of text and would like to hear other peoples thoughts on my list. :)

[@ImportedCheese]

Nice try, but it's not 100% the same as mine which means you must be destroyed. If it was 100% the same, then you'd be a copycat in which case you must also be destroyed. Farewell

[@vDomMusic]

@@ImportedCheese Completely fair, I will look death in the face and welcome him with open arms.

[@ImportedCheese]

@@vDomMusic farewell

[@MishKoz]

As a certified Daipa kid, who had like 800-something hours on my childhood Platinum file, I am FURIOUS TO SAY... That B tier is a _generous_ rating for Platinum. In fact, I'd even give it a high C if I was feeling mean. 2:27:58 the bit about Fuego Ironworks also continues to further my agenda of BDSP unintentionally being the funniest Pokemon games. What a disaster.

[@MishKoz]

I'm leaving this in a reply because I don't want to over-clutter the original comment, but Legends Arceus is absolutely HORRIBLE. "Fun for 40 minutes" is the exact description I'd give. It is a _concept_ that is stretched into a long, boring, repetitive, UGLY game. But EVERYONE seems to be head-over-heels for it. I think it's mostly because Scarlet and Violet lowered the bar by an astronomical level. That being said, I _am_ a slight Scarlet/Violet defender so my opinion is diminished 😭

[@ImportedCheese]

S*nnoh

[@Yinso556]

platinum power 🆙🆙🆙

[@therepublic21]

Big fan dude ❤ I love the quality you keep giving us

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for watching!

[@TheDrunkLawyer]

They claim people don’t have attention spans for the sweaty postgames of past gens, but as something of a filthy casual myself, the thing that usually prevents me from playing them is how Grindy it is to have a competitively viable team for the postgame in the first place. That’s also why I enjoy your tier lists, they focus on the casual story gameplay side of things with all the knowledge of a competitive player

[@ImportedCheese]

Kids won't play the battle frontier because of mobile games

[@nlb137]

Gen 1 can also be fun to go back to because the jank makes it different from the later, more balanced, games. Gen 1 auto crit and partial trapping moves makes some random Pokemon better than they are in any later game. Like if you want to use the Bellsprout line, 100% crit razor leaf, wrap, and slash make Victreebel the best it'll ever be. Ditto for the special split, where some Pokemon have much better coverage because pre-split they had decent special and basically everything got blizzard/boltbeam.

[@ImportedCheese]

Autocrit was fun but gen 1 trapping should stay dead lmao

[@_Pikahiiri_]

@@ImportedCheese Imagine Toxic + Leech seed into Gen 1 Wrap. Truly Grass must be the most OP type in existence

[@vondas1480]

@@ImportedCheese clamp +explosion cloyster vs chansey was good and even had fair counter play (just predict the explosion switch and switch!)

[@gonzoengineering4894]

Autocrit was too pure for this world, but crits should have absolutely stayed speed based.

[@davidflores5907]

“Old games good, new games bad.” This statement could’ve saved me 3 hours of my life How inconvenient

[@ImportedCheese]

I'd like to think I explained why old games good, new games bad

[@Toastishott]

Why do people defend the modern games? I thought s/v was kinda fun early game but there's no excusing the 1 fps 😭 Ps....cheese!!! You are best pokemon youtuber. You're really funny and spot on with your critisisms. Loved the list!!! (Emerald deserved a slightly higher rating though...but i forgive you)

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks for watching, but I will never bow to the Emerald lobby

[@qwesx]

There's one thing that I would like to disagree with. Not directly, but the implication that you made. You said that Game Freak were just a small indie studio when Gen 1 was released and they really didn't have the resources to make a more polished game. I absolutely agree with that, and also they had to program the game in the CPU's specific assembly language (which was rather uncommon outside of the Gameboy) which is much harder to handle than writing stuff in higher level programming languages. That said, in 2022 Game Freak had about 169 employees. That might be a lot bigger than most indie studios, but if you compare that with studios that produce AAA games this number is really small. And then consider that they always seem to be developing two games at the same time so that they can make annual releases. HAL Labs has about 200 employees (while making significantly smaller games), Bethesda has over 400 (they seem to be developing about 0.5 games at a time). And even then most companies just use a premade engine (Unity, Unreal, ...) to make their games in because it allows them to shift the focus to actually creating the "game" part instead of having to deal with engine development and optimization issues. But that might cost up to 5 % of the revenue - and the Pokemon Company really wants those 5 %. Of course they could easily hire and pay another 200 or 300 people and still pump out one game every year, and that game might actually be good (after some adjustment period). There might even be an influx of players that end up making them slightly more money compared to the status quo. But who cares? People are still buying the games so the same amount of money or even much less is better spent elsewhere for an even bigger ROI. And that's the big Donphan in the room: the majority of the Pokemon Company's income is from licensed merchandise. 250 competent game developers and artists cost about 30 million dollars per year including all additional expenses. Advertise the TV show a bit harder, add a new feature to Pokemon Go, or put out a new gen so everyone will buy new plushies and stickers and pens and bags and posters etc. etc. and you'll have spent much less than 3 billion Yens and still get more money coming in than with a better game. You said that it was Gen 3 when they got super greedy with how they placed the Pokemon in the games, making you buy more hardware and games to "catch them all". Take a wild guess when The Pokemon Company (formerly "The Pokemon Center Company" that only ran the brick-and-mortar stores) was formed and took control of operations. What a coincidence. The old games weren't better because they were strictly better, they were better because The Pokemon Company wasn't around to try and milk everything as hard as they possibly could. HGSS and B/W(2) must have been some glitch in the matrix or something.

[@ImportedCheese]

I know they don't have many employees (intentionally) but they obviously shout hire more, look at the games

[@justin_tayver5545]

I really liked this tier list and I can agree with 90% of the placements. I also think that Pokemon was so much better in the past. Game Freak became pretty lazy and it seems that they only focus on money instead of a lovely created game these days. I can't stand DLCs. Especially not if it's required to get a more finished game (even though it still only feels like 50% finished for the Pokémon games). My theory is that this extreme downfall started with Pokémon Go. Because this game became a phenomenon and made Pokémon even bigger than it was before. And now Pokémon is ,,too big to fail". So, no matter how crappy their games are, they still sell a ridiculous number of units (like Scarlet/Violet; like how did they sell so well??). And Cheese, if you read this, I really liked the Yokai Watch reference. This game is so good and I would love to see content about this game in the future!

[@ImportedCheese]

I agree that Pokemon Go ruined everything

[@TheEeveeKing]

I have a few rebuttals to a few of these particular placements, if nothing else to add a little bit of discussion: R/B: I really gotta say, A tier for these games is still too high. Besides just the glitchy nature of the game, it's got tons of glaring issues for balance and quality of life: -Bug, Poision, Fighting, Dragon, and Ghost are basically non functional, and Normal and Psychic have no weaknesses worth talking about. -Most of the available Pokemon in a specific version suck, and plenty of them are gated behind annoying catch requirements. -Having an active Casino in a children's game, even in 1996, should be docking points for clear reasons. -The Quality of life is through the floor. You can't see stats go up when you level up, you can't check what moves do during combat, the inventory is an actual mess, you can't get rid of HM's ever, TM's don't tell you what they do till you use them.... I think there's enough constraining problems to not recommend it to a new fan of the series. Is it good? Yes. Would I recommend it to somebody who hasn't touched the series? It should be B tier. And in defense of Gen 3 games after RSE: While it's true that FR/LG and the Coliseum games are quite greedy, I think other games should be given the same marks against them because the whole franchise does this: -If you buy any of the third edition games, with exception of Black 2 and white 2 (which does something else entirely) require you to buy one, if not both of the other versions to fill out your Pokedex. The superior (Bad Pokemon by the way) version still needs both other versions to rake in all the regional mons. -There's a notable amount of mons in Platinum you cannot obtain normally unless you buy HG/SS. Same goes with ORAS having mega evolutions you can't play against unless you shell out for the upgraded version. -Black 2 and white 2 are missing a single Pokemon you can't catch to fill out your Regional Dex 100%: Victini. If you do everything else and catch every other Pokemon, you HAVE to have played Black and White and transferred, requiring you to buy the prequel games. I think it's pretty hard to judge these Gen 3 games when the rest of the series does this as well. This is a series wide issue, not just a single generational problem.

[@TheEeveeKing]

@@pikminologueraisin2139 I think an RPG that came out after the SNES Era of RPG's still has to be held to account. Chrono trigger, Earthbound, SMT, Final fantasy, even Dragon quest where games to study on and pay attention to for inspiration. Final fantasy 1, a game released almost a decade earlier, had a ton of issues, but it was also the second game of it's craft, really. Gen 1 does not get bonus points for having a sick ass competitive scene, expecially one played almost exclusively outside of the game itself. Generation 1 has an absolute treasure trove of trash, in either design, or in stats. Lets run the gambit: Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgeyott, Raticate, Arbok, Pikachu/Raichu, Sandslash, Persian, Golbat, Parasect, Wigglytuff, Venomoth, All the fighting types with exclusive exeption of Polywhirl, Victreebell, Farfetched, Dewgong, Muk, Onyx, Drowzee, Gen 1 Kingler, Tangla.... The list goes on. For every good gen 1 mon in the main game there's complete garbage or electric rat. The games are not bad, you mis-understand.. But I connsider A tier a "Great" game, and RBY are not great. They are the B tier, which is for good games.

[@emblemblade9245]

@@pikminologueraisin2139 Gen 1 doesn’t deserve the “old game” defense, Gen 1 is just proof that gamefreak has always sucked at coding

[@ImportedCheese]

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[@XJ-0641]

This video was three hours of enjoyment. Thats two more hours of enjoyment then Sw/Sh provided (because we all still had hope upon booting the game), and three more than Scar/Vio

[@ImportedCheese]

And it didn't cost $60!

[@Mixxium]

This series is genuinely making me disillusioned with technological progress itself

[@nlb137]

PLA would be better if the research tasks were based more on doing stuff with the Pokemon rather than catching/defeating them. Leave those as options if you just want to grind mindlessly, but make the evolve, use X move, learn Y move, etc type tasks worth a lot more, and the generic catch/defeat tasks worth less. That makes you want to actually *use* a mon for research (and only catch a handful) rather than catching 20 of everything for research points.

[@ImportedCheese]

Anything other than mindless grinding pls

[@ogjalena]

Ok the trailer is on point.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks to my mom for the voice clips

[@ogjalena]

@@ImportedCheese nice! It’s nice that your mom helps assist with a lot of these videos, it really helps make them feel more complete!

[@GynxShinx]

The story of gen 5 is the best story ever written

[@ImportedCheese]

I cry everytime

[@grick7379]

I'm a year late to this video but the "Warlords of Galar" section really had me in stitches. It's nice to find a Pokemon guy that also has my random hyperfixations of FE and WoW. I really never thought I'd find someone like that. Hope to see you continue for years to come!

[@ImportedCheese]

Frozen Throne stream someday

[@junkyardbronze3531]

Slug is early game in HGSS you can hatch it from an egg given to you in violet city by someone in the Pokémon center if you enter the right code

[@ImportedCheese]

Don't let the public know about Slugma supremacy

[@ScarletDeclan]

Also thank you for putting diamond where it belongs, in the trash. I'll never understand why people say it's amazing

[@ImportedCheese]

it was probably their first game

[@ScarletDeclan]

@@ImportedCheese definitely had to be. Us millenials know better

[@cielbie8251]

Its just a little sad how nearly all the issues with scarlet and violet (and recent pokemon games) seem to come down to having barely any time to make the game. Everything seems done with the intention of saving as much time as possible. The graphics and bugs are obvious, but even things like removing ride pokemon, or having a gimmick that works the same for every pokemon, or the quickly done animations, or the empty worlds, or how each game is basically a copy and paste of the exact same formula, etc. Playing Tears of the kingdom recently really kind of showed me again how amazing and alive an open world game can be when the time and care is put in to making it so polished, and when every corner of the game is lovingly handcrafted with things to do.

[@cielbie8251]

And, Tears of the kingdom has a lot of the same "issues" as pokemon. No voice acting outside of a rare cutsceen and noises, fading to black instead of animations for in game quests and such, the same npc copied and pasted, people standing in empty fields, etc. But why does it feel so much better than pokemon? Because its all got care. Every quest and NPC feels a little unique and personal with soul, there's a hint of humour with the repeated stuff (like the signpost guy), and every inch of the map is filled with unique things to see, do, and collect. All which takes time. It was in development for 5 years, even being delayed from its original release in 2022. They made *sure* they finished and perfected these games.

[@ImportedCheese]

I think SV would be a lot better if they added durability - pokemon die after being sent out three times and you have to catch a new one!

[@cielbie8251]

@@ImportedCheese considering how popular nuzlockes are, I dont think its the worst idea lmao. I think they did that with pokemon ranger too.

[@treyparkerofficial]

As of an hour into this PREMIUM EDIT, i have to say that I've agreed with nearly every placement so far. I think emerald should be in A, because the battle frontier was amazing and the steven superboss battle was awesome. And FR/LG should have been below colosseum, because they suck. Anyways, great tiers so far!

[@ImportedCheese]

I will never bow to the Emerald/Platinum lobby

[@treyparkerofficial]

@@ImportedCheese I don't like it. But I respect it. 🤨

[@scorpio1644]

I'm really in love with this Gen 1 bit. I too find myself looking through people into the middle distance when people talk about Gen 1 getting so much attention even in modern games.

[@ImportedCheese]

I love charizard.........

[@DelArcadia]

Ngl, Gen 8 was such an... "Event" to say the least, it was the first time I skipped a Pokemon Mainline release and sold my Pokemon Collection that Ive been collecting since 1st Grade (Ill be 25 this year). Played PLA and was pretty alright with the direction, had a minuscule shred of hope. Then S/V happened. Cant completely move away from Pokemon, Ive tried. But its at least let me play different Monster Catchers like Digimon or Persona.

[@ImportedCheese]

Dexit...

[@DelArcadia]

@@ImportedCheese I was honestly willing to give Pokemon the benefit of the doubt when they said they were gonna give us Higher Quality Animations, even though I was disappointed. But then it was a lie and kept removing features. And at that point I realized, "Why listen to a company thats okay with lying through their teeth to try and "appease" the fans for their own gain?"

[@WhiteSnap]

Personally, I'd suggest the Dragon Quest Monsters series, specifically the Joker sub-series. Very good games, but my favorite is the DQMJ2 (probably from nostalgia bias).

[@DelArcadia]

@@WhiteSnap Heard of Dragon Quest, but never heard of those Sub series. I'll be sure to give those a look.

[@isabelrodriguez4845]

These tierlists are so very helpful when I need something to keep up the morale playing in the backgorund/as I try to sleep :) Thank you so much. They're also just fun overall (it's a real shame to miss out on the very fun edits on-screen when I'm not watching asjlkfasjlkf) but they're espcially helpful for those scenarios

[@ImportedCheese]

You'll just have to watch it again as penance!!!

[@COAagent]

B2W2 has a lot more to offer but Black has been my favorite since release cause of sentimental reasons. I'm enjoying the time we have before we have to see a butchered BDSP version of gen 5.

[@ImportedCheese]

Pls no gen 5 remake

[@maxwassermann3171]

"Now I've been Singing Gen 2's praises - 55% chance that you're asleep. And the Gen 2 haters have been Screeching in the chat, lowering my defense" I've commented the same thing on one of your other videos, but I really like your sense of humor. Also I totally agree on your take on Colosseum.

[@ImportedCheese]

KZbinrs are SCRAPPY!! Can't spell Scrappy without Crappy

[@maxwassermann3171]

@@ImportedCheese Don't even bother trying to Intimidate them with your arguments. They probably won't be affected.

[@SaberToothPortilla]

Pokken was skirting around it, but I *really* think that Pokemon could work well as a 2D fighting game. Might be a bit difficult with some of the anaotomy and what not, but if Them's Fighting Herds could do it, then Pokemon could do it too. The biggest missed opportunity with Pokken of course being that it wasn't 3v3. Teams are kinda the bit with Pokemon after all.

[@ImportedCheese]

Pokken was a ton of fun, ofc it has Charizard

[@Weewoo12]

I never got why people value story so highly in Pokemon games, the "story" of each mainline title is practically identical with each new installment. Like even the ones with more "depth" are still incredibly shallow.

[@Dw7freak]

Do I love Pokemon? Yes. I just wish The Pokemon Company and Game Freak did. Then we might actually get a good Pokemon game.

[@ImportedCheese]

At least there's spinoffs

[@Dw7freak]

@@ImportedCheese It's sad that the spinoffs are a million times higher quality than the main series. In comparison, the Shin Megami Tensei series spinoffs are all of similar quality to the main series. And Dragon Quest spinoffs are hit or miss. For Pokemon, except for Hey You Pikachu and Channel, the spinoffs have been equal to or leagues better than the main series. Even the worst Mystery Dungeon spinoff is better than SnS or SV.

[@heroicvileplume7184]

Should’ve had Pokemon Showdown come in with a steel chair at the end and claim S+ tier for itself

[@ImportedCheese]

Too much of a spinoff!!

[@luigiopaf9994]

Love all of the effort you always put into your videos

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you, but how do you know this video isn't LAZY?!

[@neonthunder3261]

what is bro pfp

[@yourdemiseishere]

I like gen 4 because of not minding it being slower and mostly because of how limited it is, it gave it an insanely good set of romhacks, i will say if you play singleplayer pokemon play renegade platinum and you can put the series down, it's just good and gives you everything you'd want.

[@ImportedCheese]

base daipa must be destroyed

[@tk24life]

I enjoyed Renegade Platinum. I especially loved that Meganium was the MVP of my team because of its added Fairy typing. But while Storm Silver turned HGSS into near-perfect games by fixing the level curve and the Pokemon variety, I feel Renegade Platinum failed to do the same for Platinum, mainly because Sinnoh just isn't the most fun region to play through.

[@yourdemiseishere]

@@tk24life I think sinnoh is more interesting, the only bad thing is the backtracking and ability to get lost, but i find for me that sorta causes a rift in the more linear maps that can bore me specifically just going down the line if that makes sense. I'm the kinda guy to never really use the speed up button and finds strange satisfaction in atleast platinum's slow hp drop, so im a minority, but it isn't just nostalgia, there are key factors for my strange autistic brain.

[@AutisticTomato26]

I'm completely immune to GF's "sleeper agent programming". I haven't bought or played any of the Switch titles Also, based Johto fan. It's my favorite region too!

[@ImportedCheese]

Are you sure?!

[@AutisticTomato26]

@@ImportedCheese I'm pretty sure! I will not let those bastards at Game Freak manipulate me! 😤

[@ms.rock.]

I hope Pokemon get better.

[@Bluerock121]

Unfortunately, it won’t. If they can break sales records with broken and half assed games there’s 0 reason to make a good one :(

[@ImportedCheese]

Chansey no longer works at the pokemon center

[@JudeofAwesometon]

My response to a lot of these placements: He's out of line, but he's right.

[@ImportedCheese]

RENEGADE ratings

[@DiggZiggah]

I agree with everything you've said. But I do think a feature of let's go that you might not have experience with (the co.op) puts that game a tier above for me. But also, you didn't mention the pokemon world tournament in bw2! It's so cool! And also my favorite. Yeah good list

[@ImportedCheese]

I did talk about world tournament.... Guess you have to rewatch the video and give me another view!!!

[@gtdfg4594]

I mean, as someone that really likes modern Pokémon, completely disagree with more than half of your takes (HMs were fantastic and I will DIE on that hill), still love every gen a decent amount *and* heard Sinnoh being reduced to a bad region without any real explanation, this video was pretty good! I gotta recognize that, even though I love this franchise for what it is, it is NOT enough in the landscape of.. literally anything else. Pokémon achieved an excellent mix of card game and RPG that is incredibly engaging ever since Red and Green, and I treat most games as you would expansions for a card game. I can't not have fun with them, specially when I'm in the mood for playing them. Replayed Shield 5 times and I'm still not tired of it, tbh. The problem is that this series is absolutely NOT "taking steps in the right direction". It's 10 steps behind everything else. Scarlet and Violet were the point that they started taking away even from my enjoyment of these games by taking away any battle facility. Where the hell am I going to use my Pokémon that I trained so much? Raids?? Lmfao. The postgame gameplay loop of training, winning at the battle tower and being slowly able to build better has been completely thrown out the window, and hasn't even returned in the DLC. What the fuck. Great trip down the memory lane.

[@ImportedCheese]

The battle facility has been gone since gen 6....m*dern pokemon is beyond saving

[@gtdfg4594]

Gen 6 gave us fantastic breeding and EV Training mechanics, a gen after PWT and 2 gens after the last Battle Frontier... Feels like GameFreak has been playing us lmao​@@ImportedCheese

[@JacobMcBaggins]

in place of turn based combat, ive thought it'd be neat to try a combat style kind of like some of the dragon ball video games. You can do basic attacks in combat, or select from actual pokemon moves as special attack when the situation calls for it, using battle items on the fly

[@ImportedCheese]

Release Pokken 2!!!

[@cielbie8251]

Pokemon mystery dungeon kinda sorta works like that, though no one actually uses the basic attack (because the moves have no drawback aside from pp loss)

[@projectmessiah]

So you just want Kingdom Hearts combat? Sounds silly.

[@kageakiminato8536]

>gen 1 and 2 are good because MUH CHILDHOOD Probably the most nostalgia clouded tier list ever made. I cancelled my 30 patreons and burnt my heavily soiled R18 cheese dakimakura, the smell was unimaginable

[@ImportedCheese]

They were also when the formula was the least stale and when pokemon was least behind the times

[@dany_fg]

the spinoffs you included are also the only ones (that I know of) that you can transfer Pokémon to and battle with them. the stadium games also fall under this definition, but they are more of a battle simulator than a Pokémon game.

[@ImportedCheese]

Loved stadium 1 and 2! ....Battle revolution tho

[@HylianWindRider]

Unless you are playing the switch versions of Stadium 1 and 2...

[@dany_fg]

@@HylianWindRider those games have the shadow tag ability. pokemon can't escape it.

[@xJoJoYox]

Funny thing is, I remember watching a video that's basically going over a website that's the Japanese equivalent of glassdoor. A common theme among GameFreak employees is them admitting that they know the games will sell well regardless of what they do.

[@ImportedCheese]

New potential video?!

[@orangesilver8]

Something I realized like two days ago: In generation 1, you have Yellow as the later version, like Platinum or Emerald. But isn't Blue the equivalent of them? Red and Green were released then Blue was the slightly improved version. Maybe. I guess most of them do add more than Blue did. Exception of Crystal maybe. The more I think about this I'm not sure why I was so convinced of this two days ago. I thought that made so much more sense.

[@ImportedCheese]

the blue changes were really minor

[@Begeru]

Japanese Blue is the Red and Blue we got in America. And then Yellow still came out after that.

[@cadencenavigator958]

Oh hey, MadSeasonShow, love that guy. I'd rate XY and Sun and Moon higher, personally. Y was the introduction of my favorite Pokemon, Spritzee, and the first game I actually completed the Pokedex in; my Y save has over six hundred hours played, because I was in high school when it came out and spent most of my breaks playing, and eventually foraying into teambuilding now that it wasn't completely opaque. I wound up with a monotype team for each one, and some of them wound up being pretty great. I also loved the rollerskates. It hit at just the right time for me, and it's still a bit of a comfort game honestly. Objectively it's not great, but it's my favorite to replay. I did really like the story of Sun and Moon, and so when USUM came out I was not happy about the changes they made. Now instead of being punished for being an abusive parent, Lusamine gets custody of her children and no one questions her or if her behavior has changed because she was trying to save the world that one time. I'd also put Emerald a bit higher, and gen one a bit lower since I didn't play it at the time beyond like, two or three hours in Yellow and won't now (though I think I still have the cart around here somewhere...) For the time they were pretty revolutionary, though the first Digimon World game would come out I believe a few months later. One of my biggest gripes with the story in SwoShi is that "let the adults handle it" was a refrain of Faba, who was literally a villain, in Sun and Moon. I also wouldn't care if SwoShi had voice acting if they wouldn't act like it did. Then you said they couldn't sell the same game twice if they remade the third game, but HGSS incorporate the changes from Crystal so clearly that's not true.

[@ImportedCheese]

Sun and moon intro is UNBEARABLE

[@cadencenavigator958]

I definitely don't replay it often lmao

[@setythewindsage6576]

You know seeing this video, and I mean this as a serious question not sarcastic, what would be your ideal Pokémon game, like what elements would you pull from the series to make a Pokémon game you would consider the pique. I’m interested in a break down of how you would make a Pokémon game or your design philosophy.

[@ImportedCheese]

Charizard should get a held item that gives him a massive boost to flying moves and grants +20 speed, but only if he has holy blood from Leon's charizard. I think Arceus with actual modern graphics would be a start, but there's decades of catch-up that GameFreak has to play. Rote turn based combat is so stale, without stellar animations (which we know we won't get) Pokemon will never be more than mediocre without a complete overhaul

[@joshtheryuk]

​@@ImportedCheese 1) Rebalance the stats and movepools of every Pokemon and bring them to Gen 9 standards of Power Creep. 2) Fix my boy Flareon already! Actually scrap that you should rebalance the entire roster. There's no reason why 60% of the dex should still be garbage in 2023. 3) Since you mentioned a new battle system, I would change the battle system to something like Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy Tactics. This way it will be still turn based but be more interesting and fresh. Either that, or go full action RPG mode like FF7 Remake. 4) Make battles super fast paced. Remove the stupid and archaic "Pikachu was buffeted by hail! Pikachu was damaged!" "The sandstorm rages on!" messages, all they do is waste your time. 5) Bring the graphics to modern AAA standards. Enough with the shitty animations, terrible frame rate, and boring artstyle. My dream Pokèmon game would be Zelda Wind Waker cellshaded graphics. 6) Stop using the boring 3DS models and upgrade them to modern standards. They're so lifeless compared to sprites of the old games. 7) Bring back the post games. I don't give a shit about your "mobile games, and kids have ADHD today!" bullshit answer, Masuda. The Battle Frontier should have been a staple by now. A post-game region should also be something they should have brought back after Johto games. 8) Give me difficulty levels. There's no reason for the games to be still so mindnumbingly easy in 2023. Easy Mode = Current difficulty we have now with Exp Share turned on by default Normal Mode = Exp Share disabled unless you enable it, trainers use strategy and you have to think a bit. Hard Mode = Trainers use competitive strategies, have higher level teams, and you have to actually build a good team to succeed. 9) Shiny Pokemon should not be a single variant. A Shiny Pokemon should be a random selection of random palettes. So when you get the Shiny Garchomp, it can be its usual "Is That even shiny?" Color or if you're lucky it can be red, black, green etc. 10) Bring back Megas and stop with the other useless gimmicks. No one cares about Gmax, Terastalization and shit. 11) If open world, actually have gym leaders and important trainers level scale with you! 12) Stop with the Kanto pandering. We need also Johto, Hoenn, Unova, Sinnoh and Kalos pandering. Unfortunately, since normies keep buying the games, and no journalist in the game industry gives shit to Game Freak for the sad state of the games now, the chance of any of these points happening is 1 in 8192. Seriously, other developers get crucified when they put out crap, Game Freak always gets away with it. The chad Game Freak with Scarlet and Violet VS the virgin CDProjektRed with Cyberpunk.

[@rubenduenas5881]

Why don't they make a Pokemon Metroidvania? Moveset learning can still be a thing, and there would be a better sense of progress.

[@wumbojet]

My favorite part of your videos are the horrible, eye searing, soul crushing, mood ruining gigachad edits of Pokemon. They're disgustingly horrible, I love them.

[@ImportedCheese]

If you join the discord there's a Chad Chamber where they can all be found!

[@zepia7201]

The Platinum lobby shall have its revenge

[@ImportedCheese]

I will never bend no matter HOW GENEROUS you are!!!

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

One day. Not soon though, they have a few hundred more HM prompts to get through. They're a third of the way through and haven't realized they need Cut at the end. Bidoof is already full of HMs, Staraptor and Luxray can't use it, only Monke could learn it, and doesn't want to give up its moves. Back to the pokemon center they will have to go.

[@mirkwood579]

Pretty good video. Understandable opinions, very good edits. Perhaps I should actually play HGSS sometime.

[@ImportedCheese]

You should!!! expensive for physical tho :smolgimmi:

[@riastarthay]

Why Are They Booing You You're Right Edit: i disagree about Colosseum i fucking love that game but you're still based

[@ImportedCheese]

True!!! I've never made ANY mistakes!!!!!!

[@CyborgSelZero]

57:00 I could never beat Dakim as a kid. Having replayed Colosseum myself now, I can totally see why. As you said the normal trainers are braindead easy. So when you go from that to a boss that uses an actual strategy (as basic as it might be), that's an enormous difficulty spike (at least for a dumb kid like me)

[@ImportedCheese]

At least it was kinda funny when Dakim punched that guy

[@jeffgerdau9436]

I'm not sure why, but this video is pulling me out of my depression. It's making me want to play new video games again. Thank you!

[@ImportedCheese]

Hopefully not one of the newer games

[@xraiderblack1850]

This is sick. Can’t wait to watch this stream!

[@ImportedCheese]

FAKE livestream! It's all prerecorded!

[@xraiderblack1850]

@@ImportedCheese🤯🤯🤯

[@drowzypollinator640]

I agree with most of this and want to say that this was a well thought and put together opinion piece of what it feels like to have been a long time Pokémon fan.

[@ImportedCheese]

I've had a lot of time to think

[@wadosk_NB]

I think there's something truly special about Pokémon as a franchise, where even with the varying levels of quality for the games, a game is able to have that special something for whoever's playing it Like even with Gens 8 and 9 (SWSH and SV specifically), despite their questionable quality and sometimes strange design choices, my journeys with them hold tons of good memories and they were honestly really high points in my life They're definitely very fun to make fun of, though Although i think that stems for the entire franchise at this point tbh

[@ImportedCheese]

Any vaguely positive comments about Gen 8 or 9 will be strictly punished

[@wadosk_NB]

@@ImportedCheese even if the positive comment is about how much fun it is to make fun of them-

[@ImportedCheese]

@@wadosk_NB allowed!!!

[@camtf24]

wow I didn't expect to be entertained through the whole thing, great stream man

[@ImportedCheese]

Two weeks of editing!!!

[@genesis7838]

Do i like pokemon? Well i like the funny little guys, even then less and less. The games though, god no

[@ImportedCheese]

We need to bring back old Masuda....he directed HGSS, wtf happened

[@Drazog]

Gen 1 - Gen 4 is my threshold. Anything after that is visually for toddlers and feels less like Pokemon to me personally. Would love to play Black and White and BW2 in the style of Gen 4!

[@ImportedCheese]

I wouldn't say it's "Visually for toddlers" it's just.....rushed

[@RetroTaylor94]

This might be a hot take, but I like the pixel art. Specifically when it was STATIONARY. I never liked moving sprites in B/W.

[@ImportedCheese]

The puppeteering can be kinda....off

[@dinoman6481]

33:36 that Hitmonchan sprite will always look like a Togekiss looking at a Doduo taking a dump

[@ImportedCheese]

[@cormoranstrike1544]

Been looking forward to hearing you dunking on SV and you already doing it cheese!

[@ImportedCheese]

you've got about...forty minutes of it in this video

[@davirafaelfranke9303]

"do you like pokémon" No cheese, I'm a pokémon fan, I'm only willing to go as far as I am aquaintances with it

[@ImportedCheese]

I don't like pokemon either

[@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938]

FR & LG kinda suck. I only play improved or rom hacks ah FR/LG. In its base state, it’s HORRIBLE & unfun

[@3bicg8mer20]

Honestly the real S tier games are rom hacks because they're so much better than other games

[@ImportedCheese]

butbutbutbut the T E A C H Y T V!!!

[@wrongcountry2528]

Thinking about how HMs weren't removed for being bad game design but more likely because they didn't want to make better animations or have to animate Surf mons

[@ImportedCheese]

But gen 7 had great ride pokemon animations!