Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle? Who is the BEST Kanto starter?

[@ImportedCheese]

Hey everyone, If you're new to my channel, I'd like to thank you for taking a chance on a channel like mine with a small subscriber base. I know that a humble sub count is a bit of a red flag, but if you've scrolled down this far I've hopefully managed to hook you! To my wonderful subscribers, thanks for being patient with me. It took me about 35 hours of writing/recording/editing to put this one together; I hope it was worth the wait! Reading your comments is what makes the process worthwhile. I'm at a point where I feel confident enough in my videos to start more aggressively promoting them across platforms. If you've come across this comment, would you mind leaving a reply letting me know how you came across my tiny channel in the first place? Just call me Colress because I'll be analyzing your feedback to help me reach a wider audience. And of course, if you could share my content with others who you feel might be interested I'd really appreciate it! Thanks everyone!

[@munchcrunch4880]

i think i was watching a jrose solo run and saw your spamming the A button run, and every videos been amazing since!

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

I first saw the eggcellent Exeggcute run on a Reddit post and thought it was great, so I kept watching!

[@Sam-oz8pn]

Super late to reply, but I saw your comment on Jrose’s Mewtwo run about how you’d just done one, and I decided to check out your channel. When I noticed you had like 100 subscribers I was *amazed* because it’s seriously quality content and absolutely up to par with other channels in production value. PS. Since Jrose did a run with the (unevolved) starters asking roughly the same question as you did in this video, how applicable do you think his experience was to your rankings?

[@ImportedCheese]

No no, thank you for taking the time to reply! I think most will agree that it's tacky to promote on other channels, so I try my best not to, but the upload timing just worked out too perfectly to pass up. Thank you for giving me a chance! As for JRose's starter rankings affecting this video, I'd say they had marginal influence, if any. Being able to evolve changes a lot, especially for Charmander where he (unfortunately) gains a flying type. This video also considers that you can always bail yourself out by using a different Pokemon, which is very different from a solo run where your only choice is to either figure out some clever workaround, or just give up.

[@Sam-oz8pn]

@@ImportedCheese Haha yeah, that must have been pretty funny when you saw it. Thank you for sparing me your attention even though I’m just one of thousands of viewers, and for taking the time to engage with so many comments! Your channel deserves way more subs, but being able to engage with the creator is really a plus too. You’re totally right; I guess being able to switch avoids the “you’re only as good as your worst fight” scenario (like with Jrose’s Charmander being slowed down by an hour+ because it just can’t beat Lance’s Gyarados) and you don’t have to rely on setup as much when you’re fully evolved and your stats are on par/superior to your opponents’ (which helps Blastoise a lot)

[@Blue-fg8vt]

Imagine an alternative world where game freak idolized bulbasaur instead of charazard.

[@ImportedCheese]

Psh, who would ever shill for a salad lizard over a D R A G O N?

[@Blue-fg8vt]

@@ImportedCheese sure a dragon is cool but so is lazer flower

[@haka-katyt7439]

@@ImportedCheese hehe charizard is fire/flying

[@fxwizard6421]

But Blastoise it’s a turtle with canons it has CANONS HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT A WATER CUTER CAN DO IT CAN CUT METAL IN HALF EASALY IMAGINE WHAT IT CAN DO TO FLESH

[@The-Man-of-Pepsi]

@Aquatic Typhoon Venusaur: * pulls out a bendy straw *

[@primalgiratina8818]

How Game Freak sees this video: "Green Charizard, Regular Charizard or Blue Charizard, which one is THE Charizard?"

[@ImportedCheese]

Masuda, is that you...?

[@ТыЧё-ь5л]

Good joke. Charizard is popular, but this is too much. I hope that none of the starters will ever become the second pikachu again

[@ccpwwwe4]

Wait it's all Charizard? Always has been

[@MegaDude10]

>_> Didn't they add the other two starters in SwSh and give them Gigantimaxes as well? Yes, it was an update, but still.

[@floorpanel8749]

@@MegaDude10 yes, it was dlc, but still

[@luizbezerra4373]

Just to add something to your analysis of Bulbasaur: Lance's dragon types are actually useless against it, since they'll just keep spamming Agility and Barrier

[@ImportedCheese]

You're absolutely right! I mentioned the "good" AI with Erika, but Lance's buffoonery completely slipped my mind. How could I forget, especially since ATV the Venomoth's legendary victory against Lance in Twitch Plays Pokemon was only possible because of Agility/Barrier spam? For shame.

[@My1xT]

But only gen1 kanto.

[@DKQuagmire]

Who remembers the legendary level 37 All Terrain Venomoth from Twitch plays Pokemon? the weakest member on their team, and by using poison powder, they where able to defeat Dragonite, since Lances AI said "Barrier is psychic type. Agility is psychic type. psychic type is super effective against poison type. lets spam Barrier and agility because they are psychic type moves!"

[@tylerdibenedetto2641]

This is a fact.

[@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853]

Add in Toxic-Leech Seed, which literally gives your opponent three turns while you sit down, heal off them with the Toxic counter buildup, and use Growth for stat boosts (or play the flute to preserve PP... "Now that's a catchy tune!"), and Bulbasaur is technically the only starter line in the entire series that can actually stall-tank dangerously (I'm so sorry Chikorita).

[@Kyouma.]

You can cheese Lance easyli with Venusaur by abusing two glitches. The first glitch makes the AI think that the Psychic-type Agility will be effective against Venusaur's Poison-type, so his dragons will always spam Agility against Venusaur. The second glitch is the Toxic-Leech Seed combo

[@ImportedCheese]

That's true! It certainly helps Venusaur overall - the big wall is still Agatha and her ghosts, I'd say.

[@Kyouma.]

@@ImportedCheese I simply use Dugtrio for that, lol (Earthquake, Fissure, Rock Slide for Golbat) (¬‿¬). I use a Special Gyrados for Lorelei (Thunderbolt, Fire Blast for Jynx). Venusaur roasts Bruno just with Razor Leaf. By the way, I'm playing Red with Hardcore Nuzlocke rules right now, and it's still too easy. I even could cheese Erika with my Beedrill alone 'cause Twin Needle is effective against Poison-types

[@Lil_Ducky43]

Hey that’s atv’s signature ability stall some poison turns until dragonite goes down

[@galaxyacegaming241]

@@Kyouma. try radical red😏

[@NeightrixPrime]

I mean sure, but you can also just use the Lapras you got for free.

[@Heattokun]

Adding something: Eggecutor’s line and venusaur’s line have access to an obscure glitch: toxic and leech seed use the same damage calculator. Since these two Pokémon are the only ones that learn both moves, leech seed will inherit toxic’s snowball mechanic, which means that whatever damage toxic is at, leech seed has the same

[@TheCabalOnMars]

That is terrifying and I love it. Does this work today?

[@Heattokun]

@@TheCabalOnMars only in gen 1. In the later games toxic goes off toxic multiplier and leech seed has its own

[@TheCabalOnMars]

@@Heattokun well, that's a little bit of a bummer. At least I know how to shred stuff when I go back to gen 1 now! Thx!

[@tylerdibenedetto2641]

Also the life you get back from the snowballed leech seed will always be calculated by the toxic multiplier rather than actual damage dealt by the LS. Example: toxic hits for 25% damage, bringing them down to 1 HP. LS triggers next, killing the opp, dealing 1 damage. However, instead of just getting 1 HP, you will get the full 25% HP regeneration on you active pokemon.

[@Heattokun]

@@tylerdibenedetto2641 also this was a really good anti tank strategy

[@PCPrincipalsHusband]

*throws rocks at a dragon* Charizard: *dies*

[@mattyh2863]

blastoise dies on a leaf 😞

[@XGame80]

@@mattyh2863 Blastoise freezes said leaf

[@justiceuponus3766]

@@mattyh2863 lol ice beam said HI XD

[@pumpkin6192]

Venasaur dies by touching dirt

[@Deleted_User258]

@@pumpkin6192 Grass is strong against ground....

[@Twigs_20]

I love how Bulbasaur uses Razor Leaf while Charmander uses Flamethrower and Squirtle uses Surf

[@calvinsimpson1301]

Well considering razor leaf has a 100% crit rate and he learns growth, sleep powder and leech seed....razor leaf is actually better than both. Although crits bypass stat increases with growth, and you can replace razor leaf with mega drain mid to late game and solo everything

[@Twigs_20]

Razor Leaf has a 100% crit rate?

[@calvinsimpson1301]

@@Twigs_20 in gen 1 yeah lol. But only for venusaur, not bulbasaur because his base speed is slightly too low. Bulbasaur crits at like 50% with razor leaf, ivysaur around 75% and 100% with venusaur

[@Gustavo81988]

@@calvinsimpson1301Mega Drain is like 40bp

[@zjean3417]

You should do this with FRLG because of all the new moves added, better movesets, etc.

[@ImportedCheese]

Maybe! I'd definitely do vanilla Gen 2 before the FRLG remakes.

[@bethany5882]

@@ImportedCheese legend has it we're still waiting for Gen 2 starter analysis to this day

[@ImportedCheese]

@@bethany5882 Arceus legends?!

[@RK-cj4oc]

@@bethany5882 he finally made it.

[@bethany5882]

@@RK-cj4oc he did, and he gave my favorite starter the lowest rating be careful what you wish for, I suppose...

[@CTCAgent]

I always picked charmander. It's the obvious choice. Would you rather have a dumb giant turtle, an overweight frog or a freaking fire dragon

[@JTK_XXL]

And the crit rate in Gen 1 was sick with slash

[@waluigipinballyt]

15:52 your comedy is actually perfect i'm binging these videos

[@holschermarc]

The Thumbnail says it all - no further comment until Gen6 and Mega-Evos came around

[@B.veyron2005]

I want to come earlier than my rival and be a very sneaky person and YOINK all three.

[@ImportedCheese]

Ash woke up late, which is why he got stuck with loser Pikachu...so if you wake up early, then it would make sense that you'd get all three!

[@usuario15965]

​@@ImportedCheeseThe worst part about pikachu is that he refuses to evolve like its unnecesary

[@JStamato]

Personally I think the fact that Squirtle remains a pure water type needs to be factored in a bit more. Despite Venusaur not being able to use many poison moves or Charizard not getting any flying moves, at least the dual typing helps offer some defensive advantages. Water is a good typing, but I think that Squirtle should have gotten a dual type like the other 2 pokemon.

[@ImportedCheese]

it would be better if it were a dual type and actually got offensive stab, but defense doesn't really matter past like....the third gym

[@JStamato]

@@ImportedCheese Love your videos bro

[@dragonfire4341]

lmao imagine not over-leveling so much that you walk up to misty with a charizard. T-T

[@allthingsgaming6]

“It gets STAB bonus” 8:14 Ah yes, same type attack bonus bonus.

[@ImportedCheese]

ATM machine

[@BobbleCube]

You had me at “Greetings, my name is Imported Cheese.”

[@ImportedCheese]

Easy line to write! It's my name!

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

You can teach submission to blastoise if you want it to take down lorelei faster. It works against her cloyster even.

[@nick56677]

Depends really. The best all around starter would have to go to Charizard. But for first time players Bulbasaur because the first 4 gyms Bulbasaur is super effective or resistant against. Squirtle voids the grass weakness because it can learn ice attacks leaving really 1 weakness to electric. Squirtle has the least weaknesses especially for the time period. Grass and Electric, but as I stated water types can learn Ice moves. Bulbasaur has too many weaknesses: Fire, Flying, Poison, Psychic, Ground, Ice and Bug. Charizard just needs to avoid rock slide since it's 4x weak against, but it's attack power and speed can one shot many things.

[@ImportedCheese]

I think Gen 1 Charizard is sad overall, no 109 SpA. At least auotcrit Slash is nice

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

I know that Pikachu as a starter sucks but in a red or blue playthrough, Pikachu/Raichu would be the only electric I would consider using in a playthrough, due to the fact it gets surf. For the actual topic I would use Venusar due to having the best design, Double stab and always crit razor leafs.

[@ImportedCheese]

Honestly, I'm not sure even Surf is enough to redeem Pikachu, its stats are just...unforgiveable. Really cute, though! My favorite Gen 1 electric type is probably Eevee, just hop over to the department store, pick up a thunderstone, and start blastin'.

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

@@ImportedCheese I was talking about using Pikachu/Raichu in a normal playthrough by itself it's awful. Jolteon unfortunately has the issue of I've only got electric and normal type moves meaning it can't get past any ground types (funny enough this issue still stays with Jolteon even nowdays now that HP ice got snapped).

[@ImportedCheese]

Ah, my mistake. Jolteon can actually get both Double Kick and Pin Missile, which can at least affect ground types, but you should probably just switch out >.> I think modern Pikachu has access to Grass Knot, which is pretty nifty.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@ImportedCheese Pikachu can't get Surf without Stadium or glitches in gen 1. I usually ditch it in Yellow once it's done its job of beating Misty. I can do without until I pick up Jolteon or Zapdos since you don't miss out on much without an Electric at that point in the game. Zapdos also kinda destroys Sabrina with just Drill Peck. Jolteon's attack is also kinda pretty bad but gen 1 crits make its physical movepool sort of viable. It can do more than Zapdos to the Rock/Ground types that wall him but its bulk is paper. Modern Pikachu also does get Grass Knot.

[@commandermega1206]

"Waifu type erica" That had me in the first half

[@blodstainer]

Swords dance, Earthquake, Body Slam, Rock Slide and Chari just takes everything. 1 swords dance will one-shot everyone on the first 3 elite four with EQ.

[@ImportedCheese]

I agree on Bruno/Agatha, but Lorelei uses three beefy bois (Cloyster, Slowbro, Lapras) who can all take a +2 hit and retaliate. You could always Swords Dance multiple times, but then you need to hope that you don't hit the 20% chance to crit, negating your own boosts.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Zard also doesn't get Rock Slide in gen 1. Only way you can get it is Gen 2 trade-backs since it's an Egg move from there. Yeah, that's why teambuilding is important. Unless you're overlevelled, he will struggle a bit in unfavourable match-ups.

[@OhsweetOhno]

My favorite starter is Pablo, it’s such a cute little guy and I don’t know *when* it became my favorite, but it did

[@YR-jg1gk]

Charmander is literally for the people who have balls of steel. And the rewards for training him is deffo late game.

[@KiraSlith]

6:11 Ouch, and a quad-effective ouch in Hop's case.

[@RobertSeeJen]

Uploader: I'm a loser Me: IDK, I kinda think you'd be a cool dude to talk to. Uploader: Source: Dude trust me. Me: (>'.')> come here... bring it in.

[@priestesslucy3299]

'Waifu type Erica' Checks out

[@dustgraystone9448]

0:35 ... I don't know why, but I suddenly think a tournament that pits all the starters from every game together sounds kinda cool....

[@enderdude7]

pikachu gets you to the hall of fame fastest because of that glitch in pokemon yellow where you can beat the game in less than a minute.

[@ImportedCheese]

Doesn't count here!!

[@stagelights_]

squirtle is my personal choice for gen 1, because it's what speedruns use. it's good against brock and bulbasaur doesn't learn a grass damaging move until level 13. also it can learn surf and strength so it's so it's a good hm user

[@davelynch8143]

Fun Brock fact! Brock does NOT have 5 full heals... He has 5 full heals PER POKEMON. Talk about sponsored by the pokemart alright. I watched a Mah Dry Bread vid where Brock used 7 total, and it made me wonder how many he has. Turns out he will stop using them after he has used 5 on Geodude and then 5 more on Onix

[@jimmybob5541]

Your humor and editing are awesome you deserve way more subscribers. Also, never realized how good squirtle was against the bosses. Might have to use him next time I play blue.

[@sonofablastoise3651]

The combined starter names sounded like you just had a massive sneeze

[@ImportedCheese]

I did actually record each one and mix them together, but I don't know why I bothered to be honest

[@dnd1016]

>Stab options is good if you have two types Gen 1 Scyther with no good flying moves and no bug moves to all other bug types: why do we exist, just to suffer? Pinsir: haha. I reisist Tauros Earthquake

[@kartang]

my only take away is pokemon conquest background music

[@TheTacoman56]

Razor leaf is super powerful, indeed. I had a challenge where I beat Erika with a Weepinbell with Razor Leaf, and it took out her Victreebel with crit after crit

[@ImportedCheese]

When I did my "Only A" run, Razor Leaf still cuts through 4x resistant Zubats/Golbats, just takes two hits. Real strong!

[@franksony1992]

15:00 You forget the early game is crowded with Trainers having bug, flying and poison type Pokemon. Bulbasaur might have aneasy run on Gym Leaderd, it doesn't against Trainers. Especially as most of them are faster than Bulbasaur.

[@ImportedCheese]

I didn't forget bro, razor leaf is busted. It shreds even on resist, opop

[@franksony1992]

@@ImportedCheese You will get razor leaf around rock tunnel. So all before that trainers are a pain. Nice content though.

[@darkfiredragon3410]

And most of those trainers don't have STAB moves, especially the Bug Catchers, so you can just wail at them with normal moves and still be fine. It doesn't actually take away anything from Bulbasaur.

[@franksony1992]

@@darkfiredragon3410 but they do have a lot of poison and sand attacks.

[@hirocoldy6023]

Grass: I may be resisted by 7 types, but your so called "Mudkip Lord" and your "Lord Helix" is nothing but a joke to me.

[@typhlosion7872]

Bulbasaur pretty clearly when looking at major fights. In gen 1, it's extremely close between Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but in the gen 3 remakes, it's much more in Bulbasaur's favor

[@justiceuponus3766]

squirtle's ice beam can one shot bulba tho?

[@typhlosion7872]

@@justiceuponus3766 Determining the most advantageous in a Kanto playthrough isn't about the 1v1 against other starters, it's about the advantages they give throughout the entire game

[@justiceuponus3766]

@@typhlosion7872 well as a squirtle it might not be the easiest, but as a blastoise? it definitely is the easiest. Also, one shotting your rival half way through till the end of the game is already quite a big advantage no? gen 3 blastoise: first gym : water gun 2nd gym : bite (dark > psyhic) 3rd gym : dig 4th gym : ice beam 5th gym : dig 6th gym : bite (dark type > psyhic) 7th gym :surf 8th gym : surf lorelei : brick break bruno : surf agatha : bite lance : ice beam rival : surf + brick break + ice beam + bite blastoise can deal super effective damage to every single major trainer in the game. while it was kinda hard for squirtle, the stats boost with blastoise makes it the easiest. that's the reason people use squirtle as the starter for solo run, because it's the easiest. you can't solo elite four with venusaur (tried it, didn't work took a lot longer with his movepool) but with blastoise it's an easy OHKO for most of them due to better movepool. a pokemon that can solo everything in the game easily while destroying both it's rival pokemon? blastoise for the win.

[@typhlosion7872]

@@justiceuponus3766 that's the thing, it's in speedrunning that people pick Squirtle. The earlier fights are much more important to building a team as you have less options for team members, and the earlier fights are what Bulbasaur excells in whereas Squirtle is very inconsistent in the early game. Speedruns use it because it has the easiest time alone, not when supported by a team. Sure, you may have Dig for Surge and Ice Beam for Erika, but unless you're extremely overleveled, you aren't going to outspeed and you likely get OHKOd or 2HKOd without being able to OHKO back

[@justiceuponus3766]

@@typhlosion7872 and why exactly WOULDN'T i be overleved? now that's the question, if i was having a super easy time with squirtle, why bother not sweeping everything in the game with it? why am i not destroying every trainer i see? that's what i don't understand. I'm not speedrunning or anything, as a casual player why should i bother building a team which made my game way more complicated and time consuming (mostly due to balancing the levels between each team members) when i can just beat everyone up easily with a single pokemon that can super effective every major trainer? I also don't exactly understand why squirtle is inconsistent early game especially when you can easily destroy early gym like brock easily after you got water gun which you should because why not?

[@ceetee3370]

I could have sworn Lance's aerodactyl had rock slide. Goddamn mandela effect

[@pokemaniako21]

When i was a kid i was like Surf it: if its rock, ground or fire, surf it, if its poison, wash away the poison, surf it, If its grass, too much water can drown plants... so surf it, if its fighting, normal, bug or psychic... drown them... surf it, if its flying...get its wings wet so it cant fly good... surf it, if its ghost, might as well try surfing it, If its water, ice or electric... fear and cry, but try surfing it anyways.

[@pacoramon9468]

Charizard best move in gen 1 is dig.

[@peterlong2580]

Charmander hands down... squirtle gets you through the first gym easy. But then after that you're gonna wish you had a charizard

[@ImportedCheese]

Gen 1 charizard doesn't even have 109 special attack

[@peterlong2580]

@@ImportedCheese but if you don't have a charizard you get no respect as a pokemon trainer

[@holschermarc]

Raticate is very underrated in my opinion. While its not great its far from as worse as people say it is. Its a solid 5/10 Pokemon that can pull its weight. Always love to pick it up for early game and keep it for late because of "Haha rat kills dragon"

[@davidking5345]

It's stats suck, but in my opinion, it's move-pool more than make up for it.

[@holschermarc]

@@davidking5345 True

[@_roburpo]

12:18 every morning they break their legs, and every afternoon they break their arms.

[@ImportedCheese]

Chocolate? ...Chocolate...? CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tranclan3045]

In the beginning i heard churazaur what did you guys hear?

[@ImportedCheese]

I did actually record every starter for that voice clip

[@iara0]

The virgin starter user VS the chad "release the starter as soon as you catch your first Pokémon"

[@AniGaAG]

TL;DR: Chimchar. I haven't even watched yet, it's just the obvious result. I know it's gen 5, but who cares - the answer is always Chimchar. I don't even love it that much or anything... it's just that absurdly good.

[@ImportedCheese]

Uh well it's probably the best starter overall, but he's not in this game or video lol

[@AniGaAG]

@@ImportedCheese That's not fuckin' stopping Chimchar.

[@Br1ttany1992]

I picked Bulbasaur as a kid because it looked kind of like a kitten to 6 year old me (I know, kind of weird) and I still love it to this day at 29

[@ImportedCheese]

Judging by the hundreds of comments I've seen so far, Bulbasaur is by far the most popular xD Bulbasaur and Mudkip avatars are everywhere.

[@Acacius1992]

@@ImportedCheese Honestly these two are by me the polar oposides xD Mudkip = Favorite Starter of them all (Nothing beats the Mudkip!) Bulbasaur = Without any doubt my least favorite starter

[@davidbelanger9952]

Very good video. Congrats!

[@javianmonserrate8930]

Venasaur +Resist Grass, posion, water, ground +Good early game (beats brock and misty with ease, resistance to koga, Erika and St Lurge. Good special attack stat (115) Jack of all trades (Balanced stat besides specail) Cons -Limited movepool -4x weak to bug, weak to Sabrina (Pyschic), Blane (Fire). -Jack of all trades Blastiose +Good whirlpool +God Speical attack with decent bulk (Hp 79, defence 85, specail 105) Good late game (Koga with dig, Giovanni, Blane.) +Good stabs (Surf, hydro pump, Waterfall) + Good late game (4 put of 4 of the Gyms, I'm sorry I forgot the names before the champion. Cons Other good water types like lapras, vaporeon, tentacruel, Stamie. Struggles against Grass, electric. Slowest Pokemon starter Charzaird Pros + Good against Grass, bug and ice. + stab fireplace and flamethrower are great. +Gets double edge, dig, dragon rage, slash +Destroys Erika Cons -Weak to ice (because fire in gen 1 didn't resist ice and flying is weak to ice) -Ninetales, flareon, Fire legendary bird, I'm sorry I forgot the name, do a better job or decent enough unlinke charziard. - Brock destroys Fire, Misty destroys Fire, Diglett amd cave tunnels are in the game, St large riachu has 90 attack and special and 100 speed. Blane if your attacking with fire moves is an awful choice, giovanni is a struggle. - Dosent access fly even though it's a fire and flying type Charzaird is most fun Venasuar best defence Blastoise best starter and speed runner by its decent bulk, amazing movepool, elite 4 (I REMEMBER THE NAME NOW) Is amazing, Stab hydropump, water fall and surf are amazing. We still love You Vrnsaure and charziard POKEMON

[@ImportedCheese]

Squirtle is so unexciting...water op

[@Basically_Anybody]

It is Bird Tamer Lance, not Dragon Master, and I will not hear otherwise

[@777Plushy]

Eevee: Gentlemen, I have come to make an announcement!.. & use Double Kick. & my Psychic-Type that I have for no reason. & a water gun...

[@HobGungan]

I don't like Yellow Pikachu, but Red/Blue Raichu is an invaluable teammate

[@sirwolfy9372]

14:07 but Growth raise Special and Hyper Beam is Normal Physical... Just Sleep Powder and Leech Seed to be safe and have mimic to ice beam or engulf every defense vitamins to Venusaur to handle them...

[@ImportedCheese]

but badge boosts mean all stat boots become omniboosts, what a great game

[@sirwolfy9372]

@@ImportedCheese ow.... OOOOWWW....now I understand what the badge boost glitch really does... Waaaaw that is broken

[@platypusguineapig]

This what I use Toxic /leech seed/razor leaf /solarbeam - venasaur Ice beam / earthquake/surf /bite- blastiose Fly/ fire blast /dig /flame thrower- charazard

[@ImportedCheese]

solarbeam so bad tho

[@bdel80]

Toxic and Leech Seed is also another uber combo on gen 1

[@ImportedCheese]

It's so bad. I cover it in the Grass is Ass video, it doesn't actually help at all

[@bdel80]

@@ImportedCheese looks like have to check it out, just watched this and Jhoto starter vids of yours

[@adiel_loiola]

Recomended got me here lol!

[@ImportedCheese]

Yesss Susan has become my ally! Welcome to the channel!

[@adiel_loiola]

@@ImportedCheese your videos are really good and i love your sense of humor, eggcelent jokes btw lmao subbed

[@spslayer9113]

Waifu type Erica caught me by surprise 😂😂🤣🤣

[@ImportedCheese]

She'll notice us someday

[@michaelwagner2791]

Bulbasaur can sequence break the fastest so it's a no brained LOL

[@ImportedCheese]

That is true, but I don't think I considered Bulbasaur's role in the absurd Brock Through Walls glitch...it's not exactly something you'd do during a traditional playthrough lol

[@lkraut2266]

I remember killing lance's Dragonite in yellow with Pikachu and tanking hyper beam.

[@bryandemoss5503]

Gonna have to sup an like after that first 30 sec

[@NightmareZerogbs]

The only good part about starting with Pikachu in Yellow is that you CAN get all the other 3 starters.

[@ImportedCheese]

Into the box, Pikachu

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

In reality Growth works perfectly with Megadrain and also boost def. So is more usefull Growth than even what insane really is

[@ImportedCheese]

Only 40 base power though

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

But multiplicated by 4.75 times and healing half of the damage.

[@athath2010]

25:52 Uhhhh... Gen 1 miss vs. Hitmonchan, it goes for ThunderPunch and rolls the paralysis chance with it, and Machamp connects with Fissure? That's the best I've got. ... Er, you can't outspeed the Machamp with Blastoise even while paralyzed (at a reasonable level and without having set up), right?

[@yuricatlover133]

I love bulbasaur because it reminds me of my oldest sister's favorite color!

[@ZeeZeeGaming]

don't crits in gen 1 ignore stat boosts, so razor leaf doesn't benefit from the badge boost?

[@ImportedCheese]

It doesn't, but it's still 110 BP! Wow!

[@EvyDevy]

Charmanders isn't gonna be useful in gym 7 unless you use the rare ground type TMs on it which most probably didn't do though I guess it's possible. Geesh, no wonder they buffed Pikachu in Let's Go.

[@ImportedCheese]

But dig is 100 BP and be used for most of the game! You should use it!

[@EvyDevy]

@@ImportedCheese Yeah, true. I just wouldn't bother giving it to Charmander when I could give it to a ground type.

[@fortnitesexman]

Lickitung not learning lick makes sense if you spend a few seconds to look past the name of the move and look at what it actually is It's a venomous tongue move used by ghosts Lickitung is neither a ghost nor does it have a venomous tongue

[@ImportedCheese]

Bruh I disagree with this one, it's a move called Lick, Lickitung should learn it. It was stolen by the Ghastly line!

[@fortnitesexman]

Imported Cheese well, wether it was stolen or not comes down to if lick was made before lickitung and after ghastly So it probably is (Note: I was trying to justify game freak's crystal clear stupidity)

[@jimdevries19]

no wonder why bruno got kickt out of the elite 4 in the later games

[@ImportedCheese]

They didn't kick him out fast enough...how he returns in Gen 2 is beyond me.

[@eduardodiniscadavez4831]

Saying that ratata isn't good wow a offense to youngster Joey

[@sorryimsunny]

Imported Cheese is a great name lol

[@glowstonelovepad9294]

Bulbasaur, obviously.

[@ImportedCheese]

This guy might be a little biased....

[@GregHeffley-fo1kh]

The real answer is none of these 3, it’s Nidoking

[@youngcity210]

Do Gen 3 !!!

[@ImportedCheese]

Uh someday soonish

[@youngcity210]

@@ImportedCheese look forward to it

[@DiviTon]

Venusaur is by far the best because even the Pokemon that don't die easily to Razor Leaf still can't really hurt him. Sleep Powder is broken and with Leech Seed you'll never die and eventually kill with Razor Leaf even if they resist it.

[@vanderan]

Solid video!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for watching! Any parts that you felt dragged on or could have been trimmed down?

[@vanderan]

@@ImportedCheese Not really, you said what you needed to say, put a few jokes in there, and finished it. Pretty good IMO.

[@ImportedCheese]

@@vanderan Thanks a million! I hope to see you in the next one!

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Blastoise was mostly mediocre til it got Shell Smash and was broke. Venusaur was always okay then got a Mega that made it an Unbreakable wall. Charizard had a rough start, then was trash after stealth rock, then got broken with its mega.

[@NANA-qc5ui]

When I played fire red I got stuck on misty and was too stubborn to level up my other pokemon, so I ended up with charizard before beating her finally

[@lapisrabbitcomics]

Scorbunny. End of discussion everyone else is wrong.

[@ImportedCheese]

We'll see when we reach the Gen 8 video in uh...like a decade.

[@davidking5345]

And yet I was somehow able to steamroll from surge to champion using charmander/charrizard.

[@ImportedCheese]

Perhaps because this is a kids game

[@davidking5345]

@@ImportedCheese A childs game that I've seen some adults struggle with 😀

[@SunriseRss]

That's intro 👌.. and ... We all know chamber is the best ! 🤪

[@OidhcheLanFala]

Brock has 5 Full Heals for each Pokemon so 10 in total!

[@fortnitesexman]

Strange...you used let's go models to represent the gym leaders and elite four..

[@ImportedCheese]

Why is that strange o_O? They're still the same characters, just their most modern versions.

[@fortnitesexman]

Imported Cheese well, I would've used their red and blue sprites considering that's the game you're talking about (The model usage mainly stood out to me because you specified very assertively beforehand that it was red and blue, and not any remakes)

[@dustinpaulson1123]

Bulbasaur. No matter how many Pokemon are created, he'll always be #001

[@neppyneppynepu]

You're not exactly wrong and i hate that

[@visionaeon]

A single manly sweat rolled down on my face.

[@DKQuagmire]

Robbie Rotten will always be my number 1. :( Rest in Piece Stefán Karl Stefánsson

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

Eh, 007 is a better number >:)

[@wertyami]

unless you use the Kalos regional dex where he is #080 :^)

[@lawdjesus6812]

I always just picked bulbasaur because i liked frogs. I've been looking for a vid like this!

[@ImportedCheese]

Tbh I picked Charmander because "fire and dragons cool."

[@valeryreyes7383]

I picked squirtle because is a cute turtle and in the final Evo it has cannons water cannons!

[@TomitaGregorias]

I picked bulbasaur because it had giant tree on it's back... Guess who I picked in Gen 4. xd

[@theothemegamanboy2687]

@@ImportedCheese Same

[@XGame80]

I picked Squirtle (In FireRed) because I like water better than fire and grass

[@piemanlad]

Im a shuckle fan and im enraged!! With 5 base speed it took me months to type this comment

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm glad you could finally air your thoughts. I look forward to hearing your next one in a few months!

[@vampyberry]

@@ImportedCheese It took me way less to reply with a trick room but I am a shuckle fan too.

[@sevenlewdz]

he likes erika? no need to hear more **subscribes**

[@ImportedCheese]

Beautiful, we'll get along well. Go watch my Pokemon Waifu tier list pls.

[@floorpanel8749]

@@ImportedCheese sounds like a plan, if Erika is S tier I will sub and worship you

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

Absolutely fantastic intro. Also, minor correction: at 19:47 you say that gen 1 rock throw has 70% accuracy, but it's actually slightly worse than that with a measly 65% chance of hitting.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you so much! The intro took a good few hours, I'm glad it landed. Ah...thanks for the correction. Let's just say that Gen 1 Rock Throw is so horrific, that I couldn't bring myself to speak its true accuracy. That's also totally the reason why I thought Charizard got Wing Attack in Gen 1, yeah, not an excuse or anything...!

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

Bruh rock throw in gen 1 has less chance then hitting then focus blast.

[@FrostAskar2332]

Sooo... Pikachu is your internet explorer to download a real browser

[@ImportedCheese]

That's being pretty generous to Pikachu, but an apt description. Not even Microsoft Edge smh

[@honeyslime7178]

But what we forget is if you choose Pikachu you get the other starters for free

[@ZerryBerrytheSpaceRaccoon]

Not a good starter, but a semi-decent Electric-type for the early to mid game. Hey, at least Raichu is actually somewhat good.

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@ZerryBerrytheSpaceRaccoon except you can't evolve your starter pikachu

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@honeyslime7178 I think that's literally the joke in the first place.

[@enderdrag6491]

Great job striking a beautiful balance of comedy and information I found this video really interesting and funny Do you plan on making similar comparisons for future gens? Also small sidenote - I think one additional thing that might be worth discussing is comparing the starter to other pokemon of that type available in the game. While squirtle is better than bulbasaur when comparing them directly or if only using starters, there are much better water types than blastoise later in the game, such as starmie, while venusaur is the best grass type in gen 1

[@ImportedCheese]

Hey, thank you for the kind words! I do plan to do the other gens, though I imagine the videos will be shorter in length since there aren't as many wonky mechanics that need to be explained. Good point about comparing the viability of the starters to other pokemon of their types - I might mention it, but I think these vids might be under the assumption that you're just pumping your starter full of as much XP as possible and steamrolling the game. A lv 50 Starmie wallops a lv 50 Blastoise, but a lv 50 Starmie against a lv 80 Blatsoise goes in our slow boi's favor.

[@christinekatzman2164]

Imported Cheese: You can slowly stall out opponents with fancy tactics, or you can flamethrower and win. Blissey, a go-to competitive staple: And I took that personally

[@mistermr2147]

Which uses flamethrower periodically lol

[@snowcatapeller]

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE are you really trying to flex pokemon pvp knowledge for no reason? Go back to showdown low ladder chat, I’m tired of this crap

[@christinekatzman2164]

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE I don't play a lot of competitive, but what's wrong with Blissey? Good special wall, right?

[@priestesslucy3299]

You do realize Blissey didn't exist in Gen 1 right? Also, Charizard Guaranteed Critical Hit Slashes made fairly short work of Chansey

[@priestesslucy3299]

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE because it's fun in Gen 1

[@pacoramon9468]

Raticate is also really decent in gen one, body slam+ bubble beam beats any pokémon with 1-2 hits.

[@ghengiroo4143]

Yeah, it’s so good. It gets STAB Hyper Fang at like Lv. 14 or something stupid like that so even before you reach the SS Anne you are gonna be doing so much damage.

[@Gaius453]

In gen 3 it gets guts boosted stab facade, which is pretty good.

[@PreciousLuna1988]

Persian does that better

[@usuario15965]

Hyper fang and quick attack and ready

[@usuario15965]

Hyper fang and quick attack and ready

[@leetfukk]

If the criteria is the one that gets you into the Hall of Fame as fast as possible, we already know it's Squirtle from speed runs

[@chonchjohnch]

By that logic Nidoran is the best

[@leetfukk]

@@chonchjohnch This video is about the starters, but if it was all Kanto Pokemon then yes it would be Nidoran. This is the criteria he gives near the beginning of the video

[@johannesboomsma4680]

@@leetfukk Yeah but squirtle is just used to get through brock really fast, they ditch it immediatly after getting nidoking so yeah

[@leetfukk]

@@johannesboomsma4680 before they discovered the Nidoking route Squirtle was used. In fact for a while there was debate about which was actually faster. I wanna say one was preferred for blue and one was preferred for red because male nidoran is more common in one of the games, but then they discovered rng manipulation so it didn't matter any more

[@SlimyPennies]

"johto starters" you hear that? thats the sound of me crying because i know my boi chikorita is gonna get roasted safkalsfa

[@ImportedCheese]

Yeah, spoilers that will surprise no one but Chikorita is getting a 1/10 lmao, probably the worst starter in Pokemon history (aside from...Snivy? I think Snivy is actually much better, but he's also in a far more difficult game.) Speaking purely in terms of ingame performance, of course, I love Meganium's little antennae things. To be fair, any Grass starter would fare poorly in Johto; Gamefreak really wanted to troll kids who thought Grass would also be the Gen 2 easy mode.

[@Exenton]

radical red:imma build this mans whole career (radical red gave a massive boost to megainium)

[@rokka7188]

@@ImportedCheese Well to be fair, the 3rd and 4th gym, along with the Ice-type gym surprisingly, are pretty easy with Chiko line up. Clair also has a Kingdra and the Fighting-type gym Poliwrath. Ones that people have complained about, Whitney and Morty, with the recovery and all, aren't too bad.

[@officersoulknight6321]

@@ImportedCheese Snivy is in the bad game, relatively weak, but after you find a way to get a hidden ability and bring that Contrary Leaf storm in... Wow

[@athath2010]

@@ImportedCheese Wouldn't Pikachu still rate lower than Chikorita?

[@HJM9x]

Venusaur might be the best as you should just catch a nidoran and evolve it to nidoking. Venusaur covers more of the tings nidoking is weak to.

[@ImportedCheese]

In the context of a full team, I agree, especially because a lot of Nidoking's power is locked behind TMs, which Blastoise would need to steal from him, whereas all Venusaur needs to BRRRRRRRRRRRRR is his level-up movepool.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@ImportedCheese Better water types than Blastoise also exist even if you didn't go the Nidoking route.

[@XGame80]

@@ShiningJudgment666 exeggutor also exists

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@XGame80 It's kinda slow and obtained pretty late. Not to mention Exeggcute for the point in the game you get it is pretty bad and you'd want to grind to get the good moves before evolving which becomes a bit of a chore. It does have the advantage of not being slowed down by Agatha as far as type coverage goes though so it has that but you know, the Agatha lottery.

[@DKQuagmire]

in every single one of my yellow version playthroughs i use NIDOKING!! If anything, Nidoran male should be treated as the yellow version starter pokemon. though Mankey and Nidoran female are also options.

[@ShadowSaberBaroxio]

Bulbasaur easily wrecks most of the gym leaders by virtue of it's typing alone. On top of that, it can abuse the most Gen 1 glitches. Super easy crits, laughable "super-effective" AI, Toxic + Leech Seed Shenanigans, etc.

[@jtalkalot19]

I'm impressed. I hate charizard and love venusaur, but I've found someone who simps on charmander like I do Bulbasaur. You earn a sub. Also good video by the way.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks for watching! I will always defend Charizard...I am on the side of GameFreak. They will continue to push Charizard until only Charizard fans remain.

[@mrwang397]

Same but i love blastoise

[@calvinsimpson1301]

Razor leaf with 100% crit rate, sleep powder, growth increases both special attack and defense in gen 1, leech seed, sleep powder, mega drain powered up by growth, and absolutely demolishing the first half of the games gyms makes bulbasaur utterly broken in gen 1. I've soloed the entire game with venusaur with literally no grinding when I was like 8-9 years old, and I didn't even have the understanding about all these gen 1 mechanics back then.

[@egekahraman8985]

also you can easily replace blastoise with another great water type and charizard is just bad

[@onyxthaphonix5784]

Pokemon can only have 4 moves though 🤓

[@peanutyoverdrive9235]

@@onyxthaphonix5784 So what?

[@onyxthaphonix5784]

@@peanutyoverdrive9235 this isn't an argument. Its a fact. So why don't you keep your goofy mouth shut ok?

[@thesquad2253]

@@egekahraman8985 ikr charizard did kinda suck lol i remember i thought fire spin would be a good move worst decision ever

[@oMaruMesmo]

When I was a kid, i chose Charmander. When I was a teenager, i chose Squirtle. Now, as an adult, I choose Bulbasaur. Actually, I've always chose Bulbasaur, my froggy boy's the best !!!!

[@ImportedCheese]

When I was a kid, I chose Charmander. When I was a teenager, I chose Charmander. Now, as an adult, I choose Charmander. Burn, Grass-type heretic.

[@oMaruMesmo]

@@ImportedCheese LMAO, dude, i'll dislike your video! Lol i'm joking, nice video btw !!! (Keep up the amazing content)

[@chadzard4]

@@XGame80 There are so many better water types than Blastoise in gen 1 lol

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

@@chadzard4 I agree. But it's still really good albeit mediocre. The problem wasn't the competition. In gen 1. Blastoise's movepool was quite bad. It does not learn swords dance that it's brethren use. And it does not have much coverage.

[@DolphyBlueDrake]

@@chadzard4 There's also a better Fire-type in Gen 1 than Charizard: Arcanine. Fire is garbage in Gen 1, anyway. The only thing you "need" a Fire-type for is Erika's Gym, and even then, A Fearow with Drill Peck solos it just fine. You are in no position to talk about there being better Pokémon of the same type as a starter. That 3/10 is well-deserved.