Impossible Ryu Matchup?! Paladin VS Nuckledu [CPT Analysis]

[@mdz_jimmy]

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[@seph13x]

Jimmy! I've been shouting this for months now on reddit and yt videos. I don't think Ryu is being played correctly by most top players against Guile! I have like an 80% win rate against Guile and that includes masters up 1700 MR (Ive never faced higher to test against the real top level. So forgive me if I am truly missing something). Essentially, Ryu does not need to get in on guile. Ryu actually wins zoning from mid-distance and even far. You can test it out on the training room at max speed Hadoken slowly overwhelms Guile, even with perfect booms. Ex Hadoken trades at speed with Guile and beats his normals. If you can get some denjin off then od denjin beats everything Guile can throw. Sonic blade takes just about as long as denjin for Guile to do so there's no reason not to also be charging denjin at every free moment just like Guile does. I've done this technique a crazy amount of times against Master Guile players and always force them to jump in to me and then I have the advantage. Maybe I'm wrong and above 17 1800 MR this doesn't work for some reason but it works insanely good for me and I don't see any good ryu players ever trying it. They just keep parrying and trying to jump in. Something to think about.

[@uknowdmal807]

@@seph13x this right here is what I have been trying to tell people. I dont know why ryu players are not doing what you said. What am I missing?

[@seph13x]

@@uknowdmal807 Yes! There is even one match out there from like a month ago where Paladin beat Knuckledu by like a full two matches (Like 4-2) and guess what? He zoned a ton more than in this video and Knuckledu was forced to start guessing jump ins and suddenly the match doesn't seem so bad for Ryu. I always wondered after that performance if Paladin was intentionally doing that or just got lucky and didn't even realize how much the zoning was a factor in that win. His performance here makes me think the latter. I really want to see a top player demonstrate for me and practice that this zoning doesn't work against Guile. I don't put in nearly the hours they do to compete against people at that level in all the other aspects, but I haven't even seen them attempt it. Besides that one time Paladin did it. (Likely by accident) and suddenly he had a solid win. And he only did it minimally and didn't push it nearly as far as I think he could have. Didn't even attempt it in this match and the results were as expected. Literally anytime I see a ryu player in master league start trying to fight against a strong Guile by doing Parry all day and trying to get a lucky jump in and I already know how the match is going to conclude. I feel like this is Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 4 tech that always worked against Guile that Ryu wins from a specific range mid but not too close. It feels like it was completely forgotten when people played SF5 where ryu truly lost from all distances the zoning war. People haven't realized that it's more like SF4 and SF2 here where Ryu wins the zoning from the right distances. Maybe we're both wrong, but I want to see a strong explanation about why and a demonstration of how it doesn't work. Considering the only time I've seen a top player fight the fireball war even slightly against the best Guile he won.

[@Supersaxable]

This is one matchup where having the ability to choose whether or not to spend Denjin Charge would make a world of difference

[@tyty0071]

Underrated comment.

[@faurynunes]

But he didn't have time to charge once. Sonic Boom is too fast to charge. They would have to make the animation faster too.

[@hectorkeyli9382]

He's not talking about this match as in paladin having time. He is saying that a good buff to Ryu would be giving him the option of when charged spend or not spend said charge... at the moment once you charge next special you use either hashogeki or hadouken will spend it. Having the option would make a huge difference. That's what he is talking about.

[@LuisOliva95]

This and reducing the total frames of the Denjin Charge animation would be nice (using the denjing charge and still having some oki after DR would really help Ryu).

[@EAprima]

@@LuisOliva95I have no problem with the charging frames as I think it's fair, but the amount you can currently store is ridiculous when you consider Luke ultra fast projectile, Deejay's double projectiles from using strong, and Guile using super fast and choosing when to unless his cover up sonic booms all TRUMPS Ryu. It's insanely ridiculous. This is how I would improve Ryu Denjin. I would give him a storage counter of around 7-10 that can be generated in two ways: > WAY #1 - Do a Denjin charge. > WAY '2 - Deflect a projectile or body special attack (Cammy's canon drill, Marisa's gladiator punch, Ehonda's headbutt, etc) by using the Hashogeki. If Ryu wants to use the Denji Fireball, he would have to execute it by pressing Strong Punch. Weak and Medium Fireball will not unleash the Denji Fireball. Ryu can release TWO forms of EX Denji Fireballs: > Form #1 - *Medium & Strong Punch* EX Denji Fireball will release a super fast 3 hit Denji Fireball as normal and result in a knockdown. > Form #2 - *Weak & Medium Punch* EX Denji Fireball will release a normal speed but a STUN version of the Denji Fireball. With the correct positioning, Ryu can either dash or Drive Rush to catch up and combo attack his opponent. The damage output of this STUN version will be 10-15% weaker than the knockdown version. Also. My thoughts on improving the Hashogeki: 1. STANDARD EX HASHOGEKI - Will result in an 3-hits Air knockdown/up that you can follow up with a floating combo or ground combo connect with ANY CA. 2. HOLDING STANDING EX HASHOGEKI - Will perform the same as above but also increase the damage by 25% and generate Armour. The con of doing this version is you cannot immediately connect it with a CA on grounded combo. 3. OTHER HASHOGEKI - All other Hashogeki will continue to perform as current. That's how I would improve Ryu's Denji Fireball and Hashogeki.

[@hathejoker]

What if Hashogeki gave Ryu a denjin charge if he nullifies a projectile with the move?

[@grndzro777]

Oooo that's a good one. Or armored state on his next donkey kick.

[@mdz_jimmy]

Hey that's an interesting idea! I like it!

[@hathejoker]

You give a way for Ryu to handle the boom and also make the Guile think a little about throwing the next boom. @@mdz_jimmy

[@Chris-yp6zm]

That would be cool but mechanically, that would make no sense.

[@EAprima]

This is a great idea and it sounds fun too as it's a meta game in itself. Hashoki to absorb energy attacks to build the denjin charge. Someone should alert Capcom about this ASAP as the update may come out at the end of this month, which is around the corner. This means any new work might not make it in the new update so we got to be fast communicating this idea to them.

[@EAprima]

This matchup clearly demonstrates Ryu's lack of tools compared to Ken, who has no such issue. This video proves that anyone who claims Ryu doesn't have trouble is mistaken. Furthermore, it highlights how Ryu is overly reliant on Drive Rush while many other character have plenty of moves in both normals and specials that compensate for it. It's like the game designer created Ryu first and then came up with new ideas for the other characters without going back to update Ryu to match their new capabilities. So yes, if anyone argue against the fact that Ryu is lacking tools and demands an insane level of understanding the game just to get him to the level that Paladin, Deadace, Endingwalker, Jimmy, Darlin and other top Ryu players are, this is the video to show them. It's a mess, and I hope Capcom realise and rectify this issue in Season 2. It's a shame. Ryu. Need. Buffs. Via. Tools. Thanks for the evaluation, Jimmy. Great analysis and thanks for proving my point about Ryu. Now, give me a love for you know what I said was true.

[@EijiShinjo48]

I think was not only Ryu was made first but also Zangief too! I bet they made Ryu and Zangief first, Ryu and Zangief lacks to much stuff! Snake_Eyez is a pro player with Zangief but he still says that Zangief lacks stuff and he's not on the right spot atm

[@kingbulbasaur9460]

It's okay for characters to have bad matchups. You guys act like ryu is a bottom one character

[@bernardjameswilson]

Aye. Like a base model car vs one with the extra features.

[@EijiShinjo48]

@@kingbulbasaur9460 He is not bottom tier, but he's not in great spot either! It's clearly he needs buffs on his tools

[@juanrios4030]

They should of did more with Ryu’s Denjin charge.😢

[@gambrinuspie]

Hi Jimmy, great video and analysis. And congrats to Paladin for getting so far in this tournament. I was wondering if you could do an analysis on the match on KZbin between Endingwalker's Ryu against Nuckledu, where Endingwalker wins 3 matches to 2? I feel like Endingwalker uses parry very well to maintain drive gauge and good spacing, but keen to hear your thoughts!

[@MrJfrie5]

Yessss, would love to see this! 🙌🏽

[@mdz_jimmy]

Sure thing!

[@YourEverydaySheep]

This reminds me somewhat of the Jamie vs Guile matchup. It's actually nightmare inducing to play. I genuinely think for Guile to lose that matchup he has to actively play badly for the Jamie to win.

[@grndzro777]

The problem is Guile builds way too much drive gauge from these simple and unavoidable attacks. Ryu's Donkey kick needs a speed buff, and make his gut punch cover more ground. Perhaps give him an armored move like the Gut punch.

[@ChokedByHalo1]

boom is so busted in SF6. Its recovery is absurd imo

[@EnnVP]

I’ve always found it a very difficult matchup for Ryu especially at Master. You’ve covered all the reasons why. I don’t find it fun to play. Compare it with JP who can out-projectile anyone but you always feel you have a chance once you get through all the obstacles and get close. Against guile you edge close and still feel at a disadvantage

[@dsoprano13]

EndingWalker beats Nuckledu's Guile when they faced. That was a while ago but still proves it's not as one sided as it looks. I think Paladin is a more honest Ryu while EW will do some risky things.

[@Antidoxy]

This is the reason why you have a second character. NuckleDu has Cammy for bad matchups with Guile.

[@ryandavis8658]

This. He mainly uses Her VS JP.

[@derrdiaz]

Problem is they didn't upgrade ryu enough to the new mechanics. Guile can constantly throw booms with as almost instant recovery for a flash kick. Where for ryu has more of a delay after fireballs.. plus his fireballs have upgraded to be faster. You can see they are trying to get rid of ryu as the poster boy, when Luke has these absurd speedy projectiles. With all the tools you give guile you also let him absorb all Ryan's fireballs with his ex enhanced booms. On top of that guile has always been in a great position in classic mode cause charge back down covers sooo many tools. Flashkick, antiair punch and booms. Best tools for a turtle.

[@KAMAKAZE_ZC]

The only solution that I was able to come up with was to utilize donkey kick when you get in range of Guile's buttons. You can get interuptions on Guile's booms and also his long range buttons. Other than that I play the MU the same way as Paladin.

[@omotat504]

Oh yeah, been waiting for this since the punk analysis

[@dust_to_dust]

I'd like to try Nuckledu, man. I'd like to see how it goes when one tries to: - answer his sonic booms with a [preferably denjin] shinkuu hadoken (limited resource) - trade close sonic booms for s.HK or M. Joudan (still takes dmg; high % failure rate) - DI sonic booms (could be too slow and get DI'd; disastrous) - L. Tatsu at close Sonic Booms (requires guesswork; can get punished terribly) - creating space by backing up, using OD hadouken to make time for a Denjin charge, or getting cornered in attempts to jump Tatsu over his head (several points of possible failure, here) I wonder what might work best, man... nothing surefire, to my knowledge.

[@Umahn]

It's so frustrating as a Ryu player, especially one like myself who played during the SF2 days when Ryu had one of the Top-3 projectiles in the game, and could not only compete with Guile back then when his Sonic Boom was absolutely ridiculous, but could beat it out in most situations, to where now you can't even control the match with your Hadoukens anymore up against Guile, or so many other characters for that matter. I'm just annoyed at this, and I can't understand how characters so many new, cool, amazing options, and Ryu is STILL stuck in the same mode...but his options that made him Strong in the older SF games are somehow not made stronger. If you give Ken 2340982340982 more kicks, ways to carry opponents across the damn map, you give Cammy new tools, on top of her old amazing tools...Guile STILL has the ability to throw out 15 billion Sonic Booms. However, oh wait...Ryu can't have anything...because, we want you to play Hadouken + DP...but we're not going to allow Ryu's Hadouken to contend with other projectile characters...okay....cool. It's frustrating, and at this point, I just feel like it's deliberate with how they are making Ryu now.

[@tyty0071]

In order to be successful, Ryu would have to play mind games with Guile. It's not always about closing the distance and it's OK to sometimes get pushed back again allowing forward jump over booms without risk of getting flash kicked. If you can make Guile impatient and go on the offensive, this is where he's vulnerable.. It sucks but this is the only way to have any chance at a good Guile.

[@duvalpenny100]

The answer to missing the perfect parry on fireballs is DP to stuff Guiles drive rush

[@Clemilson.Correia]

I know Capcom should work on evolve SF6 (and it will do), but right now, I think Paladin should have another character as an option for some match ups. Just like Nuckledu and MenaRD does. Remember that on the next fight (grand finals) even Nuckedu played as Cammy! Mena, for example, has a great Blanka. But sometimes when it’s hard to win some match ups, Mena gets his Luke out of his pocket!

[@zerevity007]

neutral jump fireballs to at least get the option to bait whiff punish. also denjin can be good if you're insane at fireball wars so you always get denjin back by hitting them

[@tavinwallack24]

Sonic blade is the overwhelming x factor in most match ups. The fact he can DI cancel after a boom is wild

[@thebo55man777]

Would Paladin's drive gague have been better used on OD fireballs or no?

[@GORO911]

Only thing i can think of is when Ryu is in close range and Guile starts spamming his usual 4 to 5 Kick normals to keep Ryu away Ryu should use DI to absorb the hits and stun him. That's probably what Capcom will be thinking. That might be their answer to tell you Ryu is fine.

[@Janitandurr]

Ryu’s m.k and c.mk is so slow too that it needs major buff

[@ZizledgeSalve]

I agree that it's a difficult match up for Ryu, but we should recognize Nuckledu's skill too.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Nah he sucks

[@guitaroach]

​@@Crunch_Buttsteaklol

[@aaronesquivel1504]

I think Ryu's fine against any top tier character IF he has his denjin charge. Capcom should either allow him to stack charges for the whole match, or switch it to a timer

[@bunnyfreakz]

I don't get why Capcom give Guile a better recovery for boom since SF4.

[@Antidoxy]

What about PPing the low kick? Idk just thinking of something.

[@atilacorreia]

lol, I noticed the crowd doesn't respect the time scale being set to 0 while whatching the match in replay mode.

[@jonmac1987]

Every Guile I've ever beaten as Ryu is because they were making mistakes - I'm not even sure how you would beat a decent Guile player. Maybe make use of Denjin and hope they forget about it when you get into a projectile war? This was a great video by the way

[@Derzaum]

Yeah, i ALWAYS feel like not rematching Guiles if im not playing a character that has anti fireball tools, excluding Manon's, that shit sucks and doesn't count. I mean, im not a masochist, matchup was already painful without DR existing.

[@TheRah1980]

Thanks for this analysis. I struggle against Guile. I felt the pain here cause I’ve been there

[@lablunt6190]

Paladin messed up on not making hard reads on booms and tatsuing through them. He didn't even show Du that he was willing to do it. That would have changed the matchup dynamic a bit. Other than that, Guile has better buttons period unfortunately.

[@121music4life]

We all love Guile deep down ❤️

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

Deep down a lake.

[@CCCompiler]

Not deep enough

[@joelvandam]

Would neutral jump have helped?

[@ngjeremy8062]

Since sf5 charge characters gets all advantages like offense and high damage combos even they were not charging, apart from its usual defense and longer limbs advantages, which makes even Daigo question the meaning of shotos existence (Ryu and Sagat). There are logical errors in character design, and this has become even worse in SF6

[@MTMXBL]

Guile and Chun are the hardest matchups for me.

[@Romezguide]

Yeah this really highlights Ryu’s weak spots unfortunately and making me want to think i should have a backup main

[@hathejoker]

I think any character that can't answer Guile's fireball is gonna have a rough time against Guile.

[@GamerHiryu]

The frame data on the Boom is too good. 10fr start up, 30fr recovery = 40 total. Recovers 7 frames faster than Ryu. So much time to react to jumps and DI. A Guile playing purely defensive, Ryu has no gimmicks or reliable tools to close the distance efficiently. Its either capitalizing on mistakes/aggresion or hard reads.

[@KillahManjaro]

This is why Ryu needs the ability to store more than one Dengen charge, also the charge time should be shorter, I've died so may times B/C how long it takes to charge.

[@hooriamdonno9552]

Play attrition - if 1 pix life lead, then make attempt to hold back. Use EX fireballs (were any thrown in the match at all?) to get in. Yes, it's costly, but the EX still can give Ryu space/initiative. Paladin played well but Du just knows this matchup so well and basically won every engagement which made it look far worse than it really is?

[@sickleissick]

If you play more offensive, you get rewarded with more drive gauge. Paladin was playing too defensive when he should have been trying to chunk plasma too. NuckleDu is a vet.

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

Guille should not be able to spam sonic booms so fast or at least increase his recovery time after each one.

[@Icannottolerateit]

He wouldn’t be guile then

[@duvalpenny100]

Leave Guile alone lol. It's not Guiles fault that Paladin doesn't take risks. He didn't DI one time despite All the predictable sonic booms. He only tried to parry them. Gotta take some risks at some point against Guile.

[@jawknee2]

That’s the point. He’s a zoner.

[@yomi_jeremy3964]

Guile is top 3 to me. Even though the pro players usually have him at number 5 or 6 now, I still find him too oppressive and his ability to control the whole match is crazy.

[@Pichoniix]

I've seen other characters struggling against Guile not only Ryu.

[@stomboyyuffie]

I think Paladins corner pressure was too risky. He got reversaled a lot there, and I think he should've kept the corner for longer to figure out patterns.

[@MrKkrraattooss]

but why does he not block until guile is moving towards him. that game has no chip damage. Why do people feel pressured to move towards zoners if there is no chip damage

[@urbansouljah1]

Drive Guage depletes with block

[@bunnyfreakz]

Block depletes Drive meter.

[@ngjeremy8062]

When Ryu and Sagat lose even in far distance fireball game to guile, they are finished

[@lutonzmn]

Very Good analysis 👍 Big up Ryu ❄️ 💥

[@jappy2276]

Capcom needs to revise Ryu's denjin charge to compensate for his lack of tools. Maybe make his denjin charge enhance his next three fireball/hashogeki instead of just one.😅

[@BKsunstar]

If Ryu is given anything will it make him to strong, Ryu is the knowledge check character, if he came first

[@pochouayang8788]

Even I struggle with Guile and I'm a Ryu main

[@itsmesteve1081]

I think paladin is being downplayed a little in this match here. He did a lot of things correctly. It wasn't just always lucks. The only thing i could see paladin doing better was to stop parrying the sonic booms because guile was just using that as bait to drive rush in. Paladin caught on to this and started implementing OD shoryuken to counter him, but its not the optimal play. The optimal play would be to just fight the fireball war and/or parry while walking in or block while walking in. Nothing fancy needs to be done here. Ryu just needs to close the gap as safely as possible and punish him for spamming all of those sonic booms. If paladin could connect a couple combos for every other time guile threw a sonic boom then it doesnt matter if ryu has drive meter or not. The inevitable truth is that GUILE is the one who doesnt have a lot of other plans to deal with ryu. Not the other way around. Thats why you see him doing the same thing over and over again. If ryu wins the fireball war then guile literally has nothing else to follow up with. ryu has an overhead, he should have used it more too. And the Heavy Tornado Kick can bypass projectiles. Heres a good example. Endingwalker vs another Legend rank Guile. Its a best of 5. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ7Nk6p5gamMga8si=wDY9x7CVPz21FwJq

[@SF9E]

I think JP and maybe cammy are only 2 keeping guile in check, i think if you aren't playing those 2 you need a pocket JP or cammy just for guile. I was playing Manon and switched to JP because guile is just miserable.

[@alexmaganda5827]

Thats what guile does to 80% of the cast lol ive always hated how he has like no bad mus at least he has 1 bad mu now with jp

[@dino3965]

How is guile not considered the best character lol, hes got a couple bad matchups but he completely controls the game against most of the cast.

[@rimzaaah5892]

It's still a really fun matchup

[@Rikardiho]

Dude guile is a pain in the ass for Ryu

[@hcbabyssian8936]

No character should have a fireball that has both fast startup and recovery and decent normals on top of it. Why does Guile get to have such tools?

[@duvalpenny100]

It's pretty much all he has though.

[@BikSmash]

Better idea. Lets just have Ryu and Ken in the character rooster. SF6 will be fun right?

[@hyaahyetthaa]

As someone who isn’t all that knowledgeable on matchups and all that, it looked like Paladin might as well have set the controller down. He barely even played the match.

[@szetho509]

That is why daigo didn't choose ryu

[@michaelguse2237]

Tokido didn't either😅

[@anwark]

Jimmy's message: just give up.

[@uknowdmal807]

I don't understand why Ryu doesn't take the distance to go denjin charge and use fireballs on guile to stop the spamming. What am I missing

[@SonicBoyster]

It wouldn’t “stop spamming” though. Backing off means getting walked to the corner and even if you manage to get a denjin charge it only lasts for one fireball, won’t beat Guile’s Vskill (whatever the spinning Sonic Boom disc in front of him is called), and if you hit with it you get a knockdown. A knockdown is good for getting in on the opponent, but if your game plan is to back off and charge denjin again you’re just going to lose all of that screen space.

[@uknowdmal807]

​@SonicBoyster what if the game plan is to force guile to come to you so you can punish. then reset to neutral and go back to denjin fireball, od fireball, fireball, denjin. However mix up you can but do that. Is that a bad thing to do in this matchup?

[@uknowdmal807]

What frustrates me is paladin will activate denjin and still try to walk guile down. Only to shoot a fb close range where it gets blocked and now he is at a disadvantage again. Why walk him down? Just throw the damn ball

[@urbansouljah1]

​@@uknowdmal807Guile won't come to you

[@hectorkeyli9382]

Say you play from a distance full on fireballs... your drive will deplete first that's just how it is. Guille can use sonic blade 2 hits non stop and you either jump block match with hadouken or parry you can jump forever and pray that he does not punish you, and if he attacks as you saw in the video he has lots of tools. If you parry and it's not perfect he can drive rush closing the distance... if you block you lose drive gauge, if you match with your fireball you have to spend 2 drive bars to even match his sonicblade... in the end you'll run out of drive and he will go on the offensive. So, even if you walk back and play from a distance Guille will win that game and once your drive is low or you run out of stage he will corner you and you will lose.

[@clivegameinnmg7055]

@mdz_jimmY thanks for this video bro!!!

[@Sensations888]

Sinceramente , não sei como conseguem ficar tanto tempo jogando um jogo só .

[@netocaste1510]

I truly think that Capcom hates Ryu

[@blaxksanta7094]

I def feel like this is more a showing of how good guile is with default play, there are plenty of characters he stomps on just by managing space and they can’t do anything about it, ryu might not have all the tools but he surely isn’t bad; it’s just a matter of the individual player and ofc the match up

[@NineEight_Nine]

now think about manon vs a pro guile😂 try to ex hit grab through calculated booms

[@YoungMachette]

This match up is even worse than 5

[@bunnyfreakz]

Bro, 5 was worse. Ryu was complete dumpster fire.

[@BikSmash]

So you saying all the rounds Ryu won was by luck? 😂

[@juanrios4030]

This is a great video. Clearly capcom did a disservice to their poster boy. Isn’t Ryu like a world warrior champion? Shouldn’t he have the edge over everybody? You know, like Messi or Mj or Gretzky?

[@mdz_jimmy]

If that was the case then it wouldn't make sense to play anyone but Ryu for tournaments. It would actually render the entire game pointless to play for tournaments.

[@hectorkeyli9382]

Oh and btw they want Luke to be the new poster boy. Capcom for some reason and for a while does not want Ryu to be a top tier char... season 1 sf5, sf4 vanilla, those are his strongest versions to date.

[@juanrios4030]

@@mdz_jimmy Ryu in my mind is the legacy character of the franchise but i get the feeling that Capcom just didn’t get creative enough with his arsenal. So much so that(in my opinion) his a little underwhelming at times(middle of the pack). This was one of those deep analysis where it’s evident the character is outmatched and outclassed. I also feel confused about Paladin (Ryu) outplayed Punk(Cammy). Then Nuckledu (Guile) outplayed Paladin (Ryu). But then Nuckledu(Cammy) squeezed by Bananaken(JP). I guess it boils down to the matchup of characters.

[@NikolayNikoloff]

Come on bruh, Du just bodied everyone, it's not just the MU.

[@SonicBoyster]

Does Du get different moves for Guile than everybody else? If not, the matchup still matters. Nobody is arguing that KnuckleDu is bad at the game.

[@NikolayNikoloff]

@@SonicBoyster come on man, Jimmy is just trying to make it look like Paladin had no chance, while he did, it's just Du who play super solid and didn't even flinch. Du is just the better player, accept it.

[@hectorkeyli9382]

No man that's not the point du might be better but the MU is just not good. Might be 7 3 like you said DU played solid... did not do anything special he just played a solid basic game high level yeah but basic. Paladin to win would have had to play not just solid but great... hard reads excellent footsies... DU just had to be solid.

[@ryandavis8658]

DU is Guile!

[@Leleominator]

Guile is broken... against shoto Guile have too much advantage...

[@Leleominator]

think like that can Ryu and Guile use projectile from the same distance?

[@zetsuron_g4]

Guile has always been Cancer

[@Groovingonem]

I’m no where near these guys on the game but so far I’ve won the Guile/Ryu matchup as Ryu on all levels to this point. Just a couple of stars away from master. First… I think you have to be willing to throw out a couple of tatsu’s and take the punish just to show the guile player that it’s a possibility if he carelessly throws booms. It will cause him to pause just a bit. Also, Ryu has the 4th best fireball in the game and he has the luxury of not having to charge. You can pretty much “out guile” Guile by using fireballs and DP’s the way he uses boons and flash kicks if you can bait him into going aggressive. One last thing, Guile HAS to fight one way at a time no matter how great he is. If he is aggressive and attacking, you have just taken his booms and Flash kick away (other than combo Enders). If he is throwing booms and waiting for a jump in… he can’t fight you aggressively. It also backs him up over time. Use this to walk him to the corner. Once he gets close he will try to regain space by getting aggressive and walking forward. Now you have disarmed his booms and flash kick. He’s still a ton to handle, but Ryu’s strength comes from being versatile and seamlessly going aggressive to defensive without sacrificing anything.

[@Omnislasher5]

You understand that guile wins the fireball war against Ryu all the time right. Ain’t no way someone is gonna throw out random tatsu and get punish countered for it. Ryu has to always play Guile’s game no matter what and any competent Guile will know that.

[@Groovingonem]

@@Omnislasher5of course, however at the end of the day he is a charge character and he has to always give something up to do the other. What I’m speaking to is strategy. If Guile is throwing booms and flash kicks he can’t rush you down. If he rushes you down he can’t throw booms and flash kicks (other than combo enders) as a Ryu player your strength is versatility. Your Job against guile is to get in, speed him up and force him to play aggressively. Doing that takes away his booms and flash kicks and now because he is coming towards you he can’t do them and it allows RYU to now throw fireballs and DP’s. Yes, a great guile player will see this and settle in, but in that 5 seconds it takes him to realize what’s happening…. Ryu in this game can land a combo with a level 3 and wipe out 65% of your health. I’m just saying there is a best approach to guile. You still may lose but forcing him into aggressive play gives you the best opportunity. The fireball game is just one piece to it. Ryu’s fireball is just good enough to not get killed from only booms. The Tatsu throw out is just to make the guile player aware of the fact that if he mistimes a boom he could get clipped and knocked down. That is a mental thing. The game within the game.

[@Omnislasher5]

@@Groovingonem “force him to play aggressively” that’s the problem you can’t force Guile to play aggressive because Guile is in control throughout the match as seen in the video. Even when Ryu did get in 1 mistake and he is either mid screen or full screen against guile which is a terrible position to be in. Like Jimmy said in the video Ryu can’t deal with Guile’s zoning, sure he can try to contest it with hadouken but guile has always had a better fireball than Ryu in every street fighter. Also the tastsu is weird because you can’t react to boom with how fast it is and tatsu is punish counterable which guile does a lot of damage which is particularly why you don’t see many Ryu’s using the move in neutral in the first place.

[@Groovingonem]

@@Omnislasher5 i haven’t had any trouble with forcing him to get aggressive although I’m not a pro level guy. I understand that they are playing at and against a different level that doesn’t apply to most of us Master and Diamond players. The tatsu is just a mental move you do in a set to say “you aren’t just gonna throw booms without any potential danger.” You more than likely get punished one time for it, but now the Guile player has to factor that in while playing you. The way I force it is that I walk forward and Parry his booms. I get close and as he is throwing booms he is going backwards a bit. If you do it in a subtle way he actually will back himself into the corner and that’s what forces the aggressive play. You’ve kind of herded him into it. As far as the fireball matchup Ryu has historically won it up to the point that they changed Guile’s Sonic boom from a 2 second charge to a one second one. From Street fighter 2 - SF4 Ryu does well in the fireball war against Guile. Recently not so much though. The best SF6 player currently has a great Guile breakdown. I’ll send the link to you. He’s a Ken guy so he can obviously compete better against Guile in this game but the concept is the same.

[@koreyg8552]

Guile is way too fucking strong in this game. Everyone talks about Ken luke and JP and forget guile is broken af. Mechanically the game is flawed. Raw Dr costing 1 bar is dumb af

[@121music4life]

What are you talking about.. Guile is low tier

[@isaiasrlopez]

Just don't cry Jimmy boi!!!

[@hasj5212]

guile is broken

[@jawknee2]

Lmao at the guile haters. Grow up.

[@deadlysefo]

Nerf Guiles chargeball startframe. It should be like ryu. Charge when get chance to not spam it safely

[@hewoguys2506]

i hate guile

[@parallaxhal7065]

Too much whining and not enough respect for nuckledu or his playstyle

[@EAprima]

Everyone respect nuckledu but it goes without saying in this specific video.

[@tyty0071]

Endingwalker > Paladin, no contest.

[@eatdahl]

Ryu is the shittest character in the game. Simple as that. He has no good match ups

[@isaiahbenitez9489]

He certainly has no winning match ups. I’d agree that he’s a good character, but he’s a bit nonexistent as I pertains to the rest of the roster.

[@eatdahl]

@@isaiahbenitez9489 hes not a good character. You can nullify 90-95% of his attacks by simply crouch blocking and mashing. That shows what kind if a joke he is