Improve KvK Matchmaking [simple changes for better KvKs] Rise of Kingdoms

[@Chisgule]

HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE KVK MATCHMAKING? The big downside of what I proposed is that there's only kvks to spectate at certain times, and you'd also be playing at those same times. discord.gg/chisgule

[@kalebwelsh3308]

Super great video man I hope Lilith takes some of these ideas to heart!

[@bentleydawg6864]

The problem with small down time between kvks is that f2p would have no time to recover and prepare for the next kvk... it's easy to say as a spender in the game that you don't need a long break between kvks... f2p can't train troops as quickly or farm resources as quickly as a spender can buy both. Tiny down time would necessitate 100% troop return or f2p would be unable to play in kvk all together

[@haulgaming9737]

Like the person said about alliance based kvk, king choose the people / number of participating players, make tiers 100, 200, 300…… Use current matching parameters for power and kp. Maybe adjust camp size / total power for the different tiers. Fixes lagg and matching possibly all in one shot for most players. Also like said in other comment Allows those that need more down time, time to take it; without affecting the matching. Apologize for not being more active in feedback with a game I do truly enjoy.

[@tommymarchesini755]

Also the same kingdoms would be continuously fighting each other each KvK and that would get boring

[@Rolandko]

The KP thing is so important. I was just in a KVK where the top camp had 600B KP and the weakest camp had 150B

[@JustLove1250]

As a D Kingdom player i really loved the "world of alliances" kvk expirence aside the fact we struggled to finish RCF chapters but were a way more fun than current format, where is basically 5 kingdoms per camp, there you could select the players that you wanna bring to kvk so u don't have to play with deadweights or some player that can't participate in the Kvk because he's low on RSS or speeedups, and the fact they don't influence in the matchmaking and can stay farming in home kingdom make stuffs way less stressful, this might can be a problem for big kingdoms cuz you can't share war titles like general and king.

[@C.nichols64]

I agree with most points, bar the point of every KVK registering the same time for the same kingdom, a high imp kingdom will be full of spenders, same as A and some B’s, however for C/D and some B’s we will not have spenders as much, nor do some of us have the ability to spend so will need more time for speeds/rss. However, this could be balanced by an idea such as a “KVK bag” where every KVK, every player regardless of anything else is given a set amount of rss + speeds, and then you can use your normal stuff ontop (if your fighting u should use them) and that will mitigate it

[@DiligentGamingCA]

This is absolutely epic, Chis! and the KP aspect is super important to consider....like seriously, every single time there is a disparity between KP between camps it simply means that it is going to be a one-sided crap-shoot and it always is like that. One side is loaded with people who are more oriented/PvP Savvy etc with more KP and the other side is getting rolled for 50 days straight. Its preposterous.

[@sirmann5584]

I’d love it if we fought more but they would also have to adjust the crystal tech and the number of speed ups and resources needed to heal troops. If we went into kvk every two weeks that would give heavy spenders a huge advance so that would have to be balanced. But you are soo right. This is one of the most peaceful war games I’ve played in that we spend the majority of our time in between kvks just being well bored

[@17emsofie98]

I agree on the idea biggest pool possible, I also agree on including kp. What I miss is the 150mio cap need to go. 500mio are not the same endurance in kvk compared to actual 150mio. Big factor for A kds when facing imps. If we go back to one pool no choice like it was in pre SoC times, we might need to talk about down time. Solid A kds need after a tough kvk at least 3 months to recover, since the mechanism the games offering for efficient leadership are non existent.

[@8snowman88]

I recall players complaining about lack of time to recoup rss/speedups between kvks so Lilith increased the time in-between the event. If you want to shorten that gap, what would you suggest the solution be for RSS/speedup recovery for a low spender or f2p.

[@BEARS2581]

Farms and barb chaining

[@SamuelSouhrada]

@@BEARS2581 id say buff marauders and barbs speedups. or it keeps a count of your hospital healing and you get a rebate there like you do deads.

[@Chicken9-man]

Nice nice vid i watch you since i started and now i have 594 mil power f2p

[@Setsu1606]

😂

[@mdpyosu6480]

😂😂😂

[@godhallelujahgaming7947]

😅🤣

[@chrismcd5399]

Maybe some kind of league format, big kingdoms in division 1 and would be in a kvk together, the kingdom with lowest score is relegated down to next division, and ones who win the leagues move up. higher rewards for higher leagues. Would take some good calculations and thinking but I'm sure Lilith could manage it

[@stekie2]

I completly agree. Something needs to change for the better. I'm in this kvk and it's really demoralising knowing that no matter how well us and our allies perform this kvk there is basically no chance of winning. 1671 who is the 7th biggest kingdom shouldn't be fighting mid A and B seed kingdoms. Too make things even more unbalenced they also get a second kingdom in their camp lol.

[@Pocket420]

I am not sure having ONLY 2 weeks of downtime is a good idea for low spend/free to play players who are still developing to t5, because if you are constantly in KVK's and constantly fighting and killing your troops you will slowly bleed and hemorrhage troops because you will be killing them faster than you can train them. otherwise you have to use general speedups to train and hurt the ability to develop/progress your account. If you dont have many/any troops KVK just isn't fun because you just can't do anything and its boring as soon as you run out. The troop return % would need to be way higher if 2 weeks of down time was forced on everyone or else whales and spenders are the only people who would have any troops to fight with.

[@Lor-dn1vz]

1 KD per camp really won't work for C and D kingdoms. They'd never finish RCF chapters and sometimes even struggle to take passes. I do agree we probably have too many pop-ups now but everyone at the same time is also going to be difficult. Perhaps reducing the frequency for popups to every 4 weeks and only allowing 0 or 1 skip. I definitely agree with KP needing to become a factor. I also wonder if we don't have 8 camps with similar strength why not leave some camps empty? Creating a map with 5 or 6 big kingdoms and then throwing 5 C or D kds each into the remaining camp does not seem to help anyone. Why not just leave two/three spots open instead? The kingdoms already have to make up their own decisions on diplo anyways so creating "free" zones will not really be an issue. fighting 5 D kingdoms is essentially the same as an empty zone - only that those D kingdoms get no fun and diplo just gets messier.

[@texascpa]

I agree and was thinking the same thing during the vid - 4 weeks between popups and only one opportunity to skip. And to your other point, we're a C kingdom in Nile KvK. Three kingdoms in each camp. I believe 4 of the 6 camps did not complete the donation stage of RCF. No way could single kingdom C camps do it.

[@JustLove1250]

We had this experience in the "world of alliances" kvk, as a D Kingdom we struggled to finish crusader chapters but we're a way more fun than current format there you could select the players that I wanna bring to kvk so u don't have to play with deadweights and the fact they don't participate in the matchmaking they can stay farming in home kingdom

[@cyng3737]

Nile fix this by allowing same camp share the rcf quest, so all the coalition in same camp will have same progress

[@CynthiaErnat]

i was hoping for some info on how to improve our match making. What steps can a kingdom do to improve the possibility for better match-up. I do not care how you think it should be work but what can we as a kingdom do to improve our match-up. Our KvKs seem to always be lop-sided with one camp being more powerful and dominant than the other camps. They then pick who they think will make it an easy win for themselves. How can we turn this situation in our favor?

[@aneeqahmed8964]

Yeah let's go finally they improve kvk❤

[@indtitan8695]

In kvk3 we got match up with a coalition which has 5B power and 100 B kp more than us .

[@Setsu1606]

I agree with pretty much everything you said minus the 15-day downtime. I think it’s too little for F2Ps and low-spenders to recover between KvKs. I think a 30-day downtime would make it a little better.

[@vexy5403]

12 inch pvpness would 100% quit😂

[@harrysherman4990]

This is the point where Lillith would have to make farming nodes bigger and able to get more RSS faster.

[@DDKKAY]

Actually we shouldn’t need farm accounts , our main account should be enough for war resources, but I need 10 farm accounts.

[@mikeypick1]

The end reward system also needs to be revisited. If you have 8 imperiums slugging it out, a winning kingdom that really showed up and put out could still get next to nothing for end rewards. This is not a small problem. I think this plays into avoidance fears as well for some.

[@rdubble]

Interesting thoughts. My kd just matched in a kvk with 39 other kingdoms… fun times 😂

[@lordcom1798]

7:33 "and then one kingdom per war camp"... yeah sure, those 4 D seeds at like 4B top 300 power are sure going to have an exciting fight against each other in HA...

[@janihaavisto79]

Funny enough Omniarch made a video about Bot usage. Qnd there was a 3131 kingdom portrait. Now my kvk1 project is in 3129 and pass7 open at.2.30utc. When I brought up that 3131 was implicated for bot using. They obviously denied it ,then they said it was like 90 days ago. Mind you that 3131 isn't even that old of kingdom. And they post themselves as clear victor ofnkvk1 eventho their allies 3132 are blocked by us. And our allies 3130 we are in top of the map. We are in fire camp(or where it usually is) and 3130 on right side. Can't wait passes to open and school them. 3132 hasn't got YSG even yet.

[@gregnakahulkmah4959]

I agree with you . Except for a lot of f2p and low spenders need that time to collect speeds and RSS .

[@fzbzz]

Well my kvk rn was really sck, strongest player in my kd just 90m+ and my kd kinda new in soc so not so many t5, maybe just around 70-80 player t5, with just few has proper march for openfield and gear also problem, and my enemy has so many player with 100m+ power w/ 5b kp like all of them, even they have someone with 500m power with 20b+ KP, that whale can solo my kd 🤣 , best matchmaking I've ever experienced lol (If you guys are wondering what happened, well we were immediately locked when pass4 was opened until now ziggurat) Thanks lilith 👍

[@lordcom1798]

A lot of those suggestion are just straight horrible if applied to kingdoms that aren't imperiums or high A seeds. All of those suggestions feel like they are just removing choices kingdoms and players currently have to make their experience more enjoyable. Think about it. There are players who enjoy So8, there are those who prefer HA, there are those who like KoN, etc. I don't get why you want to force any of those kingdoms to play a kvk mode they don't want to play at a time they don't want to play it. I've been in a kingdom in which the majority of players voted to max skip every single time because they just want the extra time of off-season. There are also kingdoms who plan their kvk depending on the availability of their garrison/rally leads or leadership. By skipping once, twice or three times, they are hurting absolutely noone. Most of these suggestion, except for those that say matchmaking shouldn't be based purely on power, are only making sense from an imperium/high A perspective.

[@luizfernando-di5jv]

That will only solve the problem for high seed kingdoms. The biggest problem for most kingdoms that lead for unfair matchmakings is deadweight. So either they somehow give kingdoms more control over their players to kick them out or we get an alliance based kvk

[@noblebrightTV]

Do you know which crystal tech have the pop up bundles?

[@godhallelujahgaming7947]

Amount of people with vip level 17 and above should be highly considered in matchmaking

[@MaxwellStevens-g3n]

Does your kingdom’s power get locked once matchmaking starts (saying you can grow your power during this process and not affect anything)

[@7Wiski]

Only problem with a short offseason is speed up take long to accumulate

[@GreyMatter89]

Our last KvK had a super imperium as our opponent in 1875. Their KP alone was more than our entire AABB camp. We now got matched with 1671+2000, who overpower us by 7.5B in power and multiple times our KP. This is so not fair, on the bright side, a lot of people don't spend a dime on crystals cause what the point if things ain't competitive.

[@FatcakeCS]

If all the kingdoms start kvk at the same time all the kingsland fights will be at the same time and I don’t know if lilith’s servers can handle that just a thought tho 😅

[@ghostlysinzyt2061]

Hey it's my first King of the Nile KVK any tips?

[@omega7824]

I have been playing this game for only 420 days .. and the best kvk was kvk1 (we lose it by the way) why it's was the best kvk? because everyone start in the same time as you ( similar power) .. and yes there are some high spender but they are not many and each kingdom have few of them kvk 2 and 3 were good but I hate how old accounts can overpower new high spenders .. one of our players who got +1billion kill points in kvk1 and spend more than 10K $ drop the game because he could not do anything to an old account ( he did not have many max leaders and equipment like an old accounts yet) it was unfair how an old account with thousand days bully new players !!! lastly kvk 4 ( season of conquest) is was disaster , thanks to crystal tech the deferent between high spender and low -free to play player become very big and what make season of conquest worst is how they add dead kingdoms to your camp !! we played the king of Nile in kvk4 as C seed kingdom and they add D dead kingdom with less than 10 active players with us so we the youngest kingdom were fighting alone vs 2 older kingdoms who played at least 6 kvk so in the end I want to ask why this game hate new players? and why they letting dead kingdoms inside kvk?? they should add some conditions for a kingdom to enter kvk or let dead kingdoms stay in their mother kingdom forever !!

[@paulhunt4494]

It won’t work on a way to match make like u suggest for the brackets it’s to easy to manipulate ie as you leave kvk no one to power up means say u be a B bracket but as soon as pre kvk pops all your spenders go mad next min your back to A seed but rest of your kvk are B seeds so very easy to manipulate may be that works if it’s a longer down time but not sure

[@Matt-ow6ui]

I want like a imperium cup so a new kvk format for this but it would be like once a year all imperium kingdoms had a kvk

[@ehygee]

What's even worse is the pass opening time is in favor of the stronger camps' uptime.

[@lotrsniper7951]

kvks can be more frequent if they lower rss healing cost

[@haulgaming9737]

Bro. 1,630 days in the game. I Still love playing. many people don’t get paid salary to play all day. Being sponsored is fortunate indeed. Kvk requires scheduling, taking time off from real life, work. Please leave smaller kingdoms out of this plan. More frequent kvk is not the answer for all people. My opinion. P.s. I do enjoy watching the huge slugfest imperium fights. Especially when in my off season.

[@DDKKAY]

Why the resources are too low in resource nodes compared to kvk Costs. Each fighter needs either to have 10 farms or to buy from resource sellers, or to be a whale to buy Resource bundles.

[@DDKKAY]

Account age is important. Not A kingdom age. Because if a kingdom new but has 100 accounts with older than 1500 days, they will be much stronger than other new kingdom with less old accounts.

[@startup4928]

This really needs to be adjusted i mean look at the kingdoms that were stuck with 89 and 960...

[@babyviking]

I mean adding kp in the calculation would be good but it also means the ppl with a lot of kp will get punished for it

[@BlgEd]

Hey chisgule, how can I rejoin ur discord if I was band due to being hacked?

[@gamer-yp2tr]

Can you do one with faster gaining power

[@twp0766]

I’m in 2608 in this kvk 😂 Good luck to you

[@awwjeezrick9147]

I think everyone jumping on the "Massive Kingdom" bandwagon kinda made this negative experience inevitable.. some of these massive kingdoms act as if there isn't already coalitions and allies, you dont need to be a 60b power kingdom.. if there was more of an even balance of strong imperium and A kingdoms all KVKs would be more fun.

[@SankySRI]

Limit No of players to sign up instep of top 300 used for matchmaking.just like ark pick top 200 and start matchmaking.

[@richardclarke1529]

Gg Ty buddy have a great time with family well deserved

[@markbarnett-vf2jm]

The biggest problem is something you are guilty of. The formation of these super kingdoms that the average player and kingdom can not possibly compete with. Example is I am currently in the kvk with 1960 and 2489. Before it even started 2489 and 1960 decided they would only fight each other and no other kingdoms would be involved. As expected 2489 was soundly defeated but upon Kingsland opening 2489 conceded and then begged to be allowed in k.l. and be able to collect rewards. Now they are just holding hands in k.l. and every other kingdom is left high and dry so at minimum 3 months of gameplay for everyone else is just wasted. I have heard you complain many times about not getting opponents for kvk. This is why. Only a couple kingdoms in the entire game can compete with these two and therefore they should only be able to enroll in kvk against each other and all other kingdoms should be excluded.

[@ryman33333]

Which region is BD going to?

[@robertmortensen8409]

As a 2546 member this kvk is wayyyyyy mismatched. But we are ready for another W

[@MrWalater]

100% kp should be a factor that way you have the useless farmers accounts not affecting matchmaking

[@Zaraki__]

Cutting downtime will makes struggle with rss , no rss no fighting

[@Chisgule]

I think they could look to mitigate RSS for healing further in order to support faster KvKs.

[@Brian-dp7qn]

Spending more time in Kvk they need to fix the rss and ap problem then.

[@JetSweep10]

Can you Start doing Live videos id like to see your Aoe Or a few Live fights id think it would boost the Fan base

[@TJMiton]

Lets be real, the most important change about matchmaking is to drop it from a week to like, 2 days tops. It should all be automated and have zero reason to take so damn long. Also like, basic rule; All imperiums in the queue just get auto matched in the same kvk. None of this splitting them into multiple maps garbage, just ruins it for everyone else in all involved kvks.

[@golden_legend6188]

Hey Chis! I LOVE ur daily uploads man! Keep it up❤

[@YeeMaw]

KP is the indicator of past performance, not future. So shouldn’t be a matchmaking criteria. And also you can’t punish ‘Willingness to fight’ by matching them up with stronger KD

[@SamuelSouhrada]

2k and 1671 definitely hardcore slooted out for farm kvk. more seeds should be displayed in nile or drafting...no way those 2 should have been able to ally. my only complaints is the game is too draining.... tech bundles should feel rewarding...its a feeling of dread because its temp gains....so you are forced to do that while good bundles are then left aside or have to budgeted by most. bundles should just get tokens awarded like when a bad purchase happens for free bundle...and you should just be able to cash them in every day so the same scaling could happen as to age or whatever for kingdom matchmaking i think kvk should not allow back migrating at all....and get rid of any commander limitations at the beginning....maybe add more savory bundles for catching up *i'm old i dont care if they get easier stuff to keep them around and feel competitive* MY FINAL THING FOR WEIGHT... too many dead kingdoms, population is good overall but more servers now and less players................ servers need to get merged or removed, and those granted free migrations. and.....for fighting weight matchmaking i dont care about kp or dead or stats....just power is all it should be....however it should just be troop power.....a huge factor that hurts people is you cannot remove zombie accounts. my kingdom is literally bloated with like 50 zeroed accounts that....just collect gold heads or troll...and kvk is all everyone does...we should either be able to get rid of these people/banish or just have kvk use troop power of the top 300.... so that way those powers dont ruin or cause bad gaming experiences.

[@xMistake2489]

2000 continue to be chis nightmare lmao . Starting with vs 075 then no fight in 254 and now baby . 😂

[@dreadlord8909]

2 weeks downtime ? Us mere mortals would be broke , I’ll be running around with 1 march in the field. Unless they fix the resource drain of t5 during kvk , more casual players will suffer

[@bardon_]

nice

[@christosrepanis7715]

I hope we win this kvk

[@bighungry4666]

The fact that they cannot or will not explain KvK match making speaks volumes. All I've ever seen or been given is very vague responses with no solid data. I think every kingdom being on the same cycle is a great idea. It definitely eliminates a possible advantage when new commanders are released. Power and kills should also factor into the equation, but who even knows if there is an equation being used now. KvK is usually the focal point of any active kingdom and they run almost 2 months if you count from matchmaking all the way to the final days. Why have such an important aspect of the game be handled so poorly? Just saying...........

[@cmlcml415]

It was sad when you have off-season you are supposed to recover your power as much as possible to fight better in next kvk, but instead you reduce as much power as you can to hope for "better" matchmaking... Was just unhealthy

[@texascpa]

Here's the real question - will Lilith listen to it's main sponsored youtuber? I would hedge they won't.

[@winstonwolf6791]

The KP thing should have happened a long time ago. The rest is a whale wishlist that would hurt most players. Most kingdoms aren't avoiding anyone and need the long downtime or no one would be able to fight. Sure the spenders will be able to replenish in 2 weeks and the other 80% will have a crappy time watching the kvk not being able to fight. They also would have to be extremely careful limiting kvk formats since most players have ones they hate with a passion and many kingdoms would rather sit out than play some of the terrible formats again.

[@watu1243]

Dude you and everyone else thinking like you.

[@HELLOOOOOOO00]

Matchmaking doesn't work well when you have a 500m+ whale who does nothing in your kingdom

[@Vermonster19]

These suggestions for matchmaking seem awful. Good for whales who congregated in a single kingdom, bad for F2P, bad for low spender, bad for people who don't like a specific type of KVK who can just be forced into it over and over. All this does is help imperium kingdoms get more matches easier, and will ruin the game for B-D seed kingdom where they have less players and often have many F2P or mostly low spenders as their fighting players. Rather than punishing everyone else for imperium kingdom, imperium players should dissipate to other kingdoms or they should do an individualized alliance/player sign up for kvks.

[@djmcvey831]

Cut kvk to 28 days. No eve of the crusade. Make rewards from barbs better in kvk and rss nodes. Week 1 prep week 2 zone 1 week 2 zone 2 and week 3 kingsland. Two weeks off and pops again.

[@RamenNoodleMadness]

Ha first

[@KlashLaker]

lol new season on cod with sh*t matchmaking in 7 hours and bro is making matchmaking video of rok XD