Improved FPS in MSFS | DLSS 3 - Fact or Fake? | Tested with the RTX 4090

[@daveyoung2056]

Another great video, thanks Mark 👍

[@marcinsawicz5962]

I bet the value expressed in milliseconds is not the latency, but the frame interval. It is not the same. Note that the frame interval equals roughly 1 / FPS.

[@SimHangerFS]

Your point is valid. Thank you for pointing this out. But I think the data displayed still leads us to the same conclusion.

[@marcinsawicz5962]

@@activex7327 But it is! The slight inaccuracy derives from the fact that FPS is averaged from a bunch of last frames and the frame interval is just a measurement at the moment of display. In the case of DLSS 3 the latency for sure is higher since the GPU needs 2 last frames for the generation of one extra one in between.

[@rakon8496]

Thank you for your test! 💙 The most people will use the 4090 for 4k i guess, so i would be interested in this test repeated with 4k and maxed settings. Or even the behaviour in a multimonitor setup to see the full potential of the 4090. Cheers!

[@TheHexperience]

Agreed. The GPU was only half used.

[@RichFreeman]

Yeah, when I had a 1440p monitor I didn't really need to worry about DLSS. A 3080 was fine with near maxed settings. I'm now doing 4k on a 240Hz monitor so I'm more interested in whether the upgrade is worth it. I'm sure it will be better, but how much better? It isn't about frame rate per se so much as how much I can turn on the eye candy while maintaining it.

[@Avantime]

I got a 4090 and 13900K on 4K, and it's a fantastic experience with DLSS3 FG + TAA. I don't use Torbii eye tracker so my cockpit viewpoint doesn't move, and so I don't get the flickering at seen in 7:45. I don't like using DLSS2 SS as the numbers in the glass cockpit will show motion blur (see 12:45, the airspeed indicator on the left MFD). And yes the 4090 will just coast along even at 4K as the game is heavily CPU bound, and adding fake frames doesn't put much pressure on the GPU.

[@larshartmann609]

@@Avantime You have 13900 K and he has 11900. Do you see a difference in Graphics?

[@jimmydesouza4375]

Just pointing out what is being displayed there isn't your latency, it's your frametime. Latency is another whole thing. For example you have your game running at 60fps, so a 16.67 frame time. If you make an input during the compilation of 1 frame, say 8 ms in, then it won't be displayed until the completion of the next frame, which is a ~24-25ms (roughly 40 perceived fps). That's also why the latency can seem erratic during reprojection or DLSS 3.0's frame injections. Say due to DLSS you're getting 100fps, so a 10ms screen time, if you put an input in during one of the fake frames then you can have as little as a 10ms latency between the input and the frame where you see your input, meanwhile if you put in an input during a real frame then you have to go through the injection of a fake frame then the generation of a new real frame (so at least 20ms) on top of whatever time there was left in the real frame where you made the input which means you're going between 10 and 30ms input delays and while none of those delays are massive the variation is what makes it noticable.

[@rembratt]

This isi why you are my goto-KZbinr for civilian flight simming Mark. Structured, objective, and with all the verbal fluff stripped out. Love it!

[@ervmoore1111]

Thanks Mark! You did great job explaining, I was some what confused using the RTX 3080 ti in vr with all optional settings. I simple switched back to my old settings.😂

[@plazmixz3334]

I watch this videos, and then watch a “don’t buy 40 series” and I don’t understand why the 40 series get so much hate

[@SimHangerFS]

4000 series is a big step up in performance. The hate comes from the price and perhaps jealousy?

[@RatBagDad]

0:58 I remember when we could only dream of 60 frames per minute. How times have changed 🤣

[@Avantime]

I got a 4090 and just booted up SU11 (Wasn't interested in joining the Beta to get frame generation earlier) and I can easily say that for MSFS, DLSS3 Frame Generation is an absolute game changer. If you're reading this, DLSS3 FG is truly a miracle tech for MSFS. The only issues I have are some minor tearing issues with no Vsync (according to Digital Foundry FG has issues with Vsync) and an MSFS game engine bug with DX12 Beta (DX12 must be on for FG) where the ground texture occasionally disappears. Also note that the flickering in 7:45 are caused by camera movements with the Torbii eye tracker, with a static camera viewpoint the flickering doesn't happen.

[@MarkLowCarb]

TY for this. Considering of going back to TAA @60% with all settings High instead of DLSS, tested with SU10 and the current beta. Using a gaming laptop ROG Strix Scar 17" that has an nVidia 3080/8gDDR6 that is limited at 150W, cpu AMD Ryzen 9 6000 never seems to be bottlenecked. RAM is 16g DDR5 which is too low, but expensive to throw away 2x8G for 2x16's. Main screen is a 4k 60FPS connected DP, but I never get a full 60 fps no matter what I have tried. I thought the SU11 (beta) would help. Nope.

[@sascenturion]

Excellent video mark ,Once again i will reiterate what an amount of work you put in to keep us informed and up to date! Thanks and well done on an interesting and informative video... I can only hope DLSS3 will come to 30 series cards ,must say i do think its a bummer nvidia didn't make it available to cards lower than the 40 series cards ..i guess its a sales thing 😣

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes, there is no technical reason to withhold it from the 3000 series.

[@suncurve9743]

Sadly I read that it won't be coming because of hardware issues. Source: "Unfortunately, DLSS 3 is only available for Nvidia's new RTX 40 series GPUs since the previous RTX 30 series cards lack the required hardware to use DLSS 3."

[@davidmertes6308]

the biggest advantage of FG is for me that i can overcome the CPU Limitation in VR and makes the imersion much better.

[@IcyTorment]

Frametime is the time between one frame and the next. Latency is the time between a control input and the result appearing on the screen. These two things can be very, very different.

[@DaveNagy1]

A 10ms latency when viewing frame-doubled content at ~90 FPS is.... physically impossible. : ) I'm sure you've already figured this out, but I'm guessing that your Afterburner(?) utility is being confused by the frame doubling and is displaying the latency as if the sim was actually running at 90 FPS. Of course, the sim is *really* running at about 45 FPS before the frame-doubling magic happens, and thus your 'felt' latency is going to be in the neighborhood of 22ms. Or maybe 44ms, since the card is waiting for one additional frame to arrive. Which, in a flight sim, is likely fine! Thanks for the video. My immediate reaction when hearing about DLSS 3 was, "That's probably going to be terrible for shooters, but fantastic for flight sims and racing games!"

[@anbrod1]

Exiciting to see, just bought a brand new rig, coming from a, GTX 970--12 Ram--Intel i7-6700 going to Intel i7-13700--2*32GBDDR5-6000 RAM--RTX4070Ti 12GB proart.Hope to see a big step up! Cheers

[@speedbird8326]

Hi Mark, are you sure it is latency or is it frametime you are referring to ? (they are not the same). I cannot find any latency display option within MSI afterburner. If you did find a latency option in MSI Afterburner, how did you display it ? The only application I know of, that displays latency is CapFrameX.

[@SimHangerFS]

You are correct, it is actually frame time I am displaying. Thanks. However with the data displayed it still leads us to draw the same conclusions.

[@speedbird8326]

@@SimHangerFS Not really Mark , because you would have to observe the application latency data with all the different options you showed in your video and see how the latency changed with different settings.

[@unclealig]

nice test. would be great to see more of those. however, i would prefer to see also the ingame fps counter to see eacht of the cpu and gpu frametimes.

[@BeachClub_1]

Great comparison. Thanks a lot. One comment. With a more powerful CPU like 13900K I expect you will get 30-50% more fps because the thread performance is significantly higher to 10900K. In your case you are almost always CPU bound. The 4090 could deliver around >15fps more. Especially for RTX 3000 owners frame generation would deliver the highest improvement of immersiveness gains if Nvidia is in the mood release it.

[@4secsharkmr352]

Excellent test and explanation. Thank you Mark and take care.

[@channelvr1293]

Another great video, That said i now have tested my 4090 in VR and well as i though we are still gonna have to wait for another 2 years at least before we will be able to use our HMD to the full extend. Having the VIVE PRO 2 it is still not usable @ full resolution (4896 x 2448 pixels combined) and @ 120Hz not even when setting MSFS to medium. SO yeah am i happy with my 4090 ? Yep its a HUGE leap forward in FPS but still like i new not enough. So Nvidia back to the drawing board ;-)

[@danmoretti8898]

Have you set your on-screen resolution to a very low resolution? If you do, that should dramatically help your VR framerate. Did for me, anyway.

[@channelvr1293]

@@danmoretti8898 well will give it a go..... ;-)

[@danmoretti8898]

@@channelvr1293 Let me know if it helps at all. After changing mine and seeing huge results, it baffles me how many 'VR optimization guides' exist that don't mention doing this. I will admit that there are a couple of small issues with doing this - it changes how the click spots in the aircraft are rendered, and it resizes the scale of all the in-game addons and windows. On the plus side, the Fenix EFB gets rendered way larger, and I can actually read what's on the display without craning my neck.

[@deinehoellesebastian9374]

At form min 11:44 where you wipe/move your head to the left, I see some micro stutter at the edges maybe it is my imagination or recording. Anyway great Video. Try this please now in Bonelabs. Game is not scary at all. I will upgraded my AMD 2700x to a AMD 5900x this Thursday and I still wait till AMD GPU will come out for further decision in Dezember. Or Do something very crays and try any Game in via VorpX.

[@zillaflightsimmer4937]

Wow. Can u do a test with Pmdg on the ground and heavy airport and full traffic. And dlss3 on with frame generation. Thanks.

[@strangegoat7382]

Yeah I’d like to see how it performs at Heathrow with FSLTL and a pmdg

[@SimHangerFS]

@@strangegoat7382 I don’t use FSLTL…it’s a FPS killer 👍

[@strangegoat7382]

@@SimHangerFS oh ok I use it as I do lots of airline flight and it adds immersion at big airports but yeah it definitely has a hit on FPS

[@alistairknott6075]

Thanks again Mark. Does BB speed have any implications for the test you did. I have 30mb with a 4090/13900/32gb on a 4k ultra monitor but dont get the speeds you show (using MSFS2020 developer mode). Am also not sure if I should be doubling the FPS figure I see, with the 4090. Thx in advance. Alistair

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes double the fps…unless using MSI Afterburner. BB has an impact on loading scenery, subject to your rolling cache settings.

[@alistairknott6075]

@@SimHangerFS many thanks Mark

[@brentmiller182]

I’m having the exact issue on a 13900/4090/64g ddr5. Turning on FG doesn’t add any frames. Stays at 55-65 regardless. Running in 1440. Also, what’s BB?

[@alistairknott6075]

BB is Broadband

[@lagesmanuna]

I have the 4090 and still CTD's with DX12(BETA)

[@angelocosma1007]

For me SU11 Beta PMDG 737 EVGA 3090 King Pin DLSS Quality, the cockpit displays still ghost to the point where it isn't enjoyable to fly. Is this still a limitation? I thought this was corrected or to be corrected. As of today I still experience the ghosting and revert to TAA. Is there any solution today for the ghosting? (DLSS 2.0 only) Thank you Mark! Thoroughly enjoy your videos and your channel.

[@shakadow1836]

I found that there is less ghosting (in glass cockpits) with FSR somehow. The downside is there is slightly more shimmering/aliasing on scenery with thin lines: towers etc. Perhaps FSR 2.1 will improve on that. That's just my personal experience with SU11 (RTX 3080 TI, 12700K, 128G RAM, 2TB NVME)

[@RichFreeman]

Thanks for asking. That is my main concern. The general gaming channels show pretty external views which are probably ideal for frame estimation. I want to know what it does to a glass cockpit where you can't just motion estimate all the figures and graphics.

[@cantfindanamefree]

Msfs isn't supporting frame generation currently in vr which is where it would be the most useful to me. Like you I'm on a 10900k and that's my bottle neck right now. But I cant the bothered at the moment to rebuild my pc. A 5800x 3d would massively reduce the cpu bottleneck.

[@markwine60]

RTX-4090 is for 4K gaming (and above). How about doing this same testing on a 4K 144Hz monitor? Thank you.

[@Mayhem6633]

I'm sorry to point out that you didn't achieve the goal of your video to clear up misconceptions. You didn't measure "latency". You presented a lot of good data on the screen but your conclusions regarding latency were not correct because of the misinterpretation of the data. To explain, the GPU "ms" measurements you showed are actually "milliseconds-per-frame" which is a measure of how many milliseconds it takes to generate 1 frame. This is not latency. This is the inverse of the fps (frames-per-second) values shown. Notice one is milliseconds-per-frame versus frames-per-second. That's an inverse with a factor of 1000 to account for milliseconds versus seconds. The "latency" that you were trying to measure is a measurement of the time it takes from when you make an input with your controller to when that input is actualized in the game. I don't know of any measurement tool that can give you that value. I've seen people use a high speed camera to make a video of their gameplay. Then they go back to the video and physically count the frames from when they make a controller input until it's registered on screen. And if you know the framerate you can convert the number of frames you've counted to a time value for the latency.

[@SimHangerFS]

I believe how I presented the data is representative enough to make my point. The only app to measure true latency is Capframex that I am aware of.

[@Mayhem6633]

@@SimHangerFS Thanks for the reply. I agree that you presented a lot of great data comparing the impact on fps of the various settings. I enjoy your channel. Good luck.

[@Vindaloooooo]

Based on frame generation a closer approximation would likely be 1 frame cost from TAA / DLSS2 plus the cost of the generated frame... so this would be around 30ms.

[@owenklein1917]

I keep hearing a dumb argument against frame gen for Msfs that, “it’s a gimmick” or “it’s fake frames” It’s impossible to notice it. I have an i7 13700k with a 4070. My results are amazing. I get 40-50 fps on the ground without dlss but dlss always makes it look like I im above 60, it’s amazing. I had an issue with screen tearing tho and it took me a week to find out how to enable free sync on my monitor so I could get g sync in the nvidia CP. now that I have that, there’s zero screen tares and the result is amazing.

[@bro977]

Hi I was relieved to see that the frame generation option doesn't require use of dlss3. I use vr only and am soon receiving my new build with 4090 and i9 13900k. As a result of you research,I know that with my new system I won't need dlss3 to achieve the great results. Thx a bunch! Regards Lee

[@TheHexperience]

Frame generation is dlss 3. It won't work in VR yet. But you'll still get good results because the 4090 is great at "4k" rendering which is in the ball park of VR resolutions. (Unless you have an 8k headset) ;)

[@bro977]

@@TheHexperience so your saying that in the vr settings menu the frame generation option doesn't exist?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@bro977 Yes

[@dathyr1]

That is amazing what the RTX 4090 GPU brings to the table for frame rates and latency. I just bumped up to the RTX 3080TI since I didn't want to buy a whole new larger computer along with the graphics card. No changes were needed with my Intel I7 computer with the 3080TI. Works well with my SIM racing. Although I have MSFS, I have yet to fly a plane, too confusing and too many buttons and dials to push. Do you give flying lessons? LOL Sometime in the future I would love to fly a C-130 Turbo prop if MSFS has that aircraft. I used to work and fly on these in the Air Force many years ago. Thanks for the video on how the 4090 performs. take care.

[@SimHangerFS]

🤣

[@19deltascout43]

4070ti 13600k 150 fps in NYC. All ultra. It's incredible. I could never buy amd again

[@dalek.6171]

Thanks for sharing. Very helpful. 10850K 3080 ti.

[@holobolo1661]

The problem is you are measuring the frame times between the AI frames rather than the real frame times, so it's not accurate measurement of latency.

[@AccuracyGaming]

hey nice video ...not sure if is just me my 4090 on monitor 5k using only like half im on 13900k cpu

[@h.y-chen]

I guess the ms show on afterburner is frametime not latency? use nvidia overlay to check latency , for me the dlss3 is help fps but latency remain same

[@SparkySven]

Thanks 4 visiting Belgium and my town of Birth Antwerp :-) Nice Nvidia RTX 4090 video. Too bad that DLSS3 does not work in VR. Pure raw GPU calculation power is key so I'm really looking forward to AMD's RDNA3 release the 3rd of November and then decide but I'm more towards RDNA3 if rumors are verified. Great video loved to see all the details provided. Nicely done and thank you. Always welcome here in Belgium Sparky land ;-)

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks, I too will be watching AMD ….could be interesting 👍

[@sandman20011]

Thanks for the video. Whenever I enable dlss3, the cockpit graphics are blurry so I turn it off. 4090 card and last 14th CPU here also. Thanks.

[@nickdesai6829]

I have a 4090 with 60htz monitor. Struggling to get more than 40 fps any ideas? Using TAA etc as you have described

[@ryane2507]

Hi Mark I have the same processor and was wondering If a game is bottlenecked by the CPU and say, for example, it’s capping out at 100 frames per second could you effectively use a less powerful graphics card and still obtain the same frame rate.

[@SimHangerFS]

Potentially yes. MSFS is single core fundamentally and is very much CPU bound.

[@marcinsawicz5962]

You don't have to guess. Just run MSI Afterburner to show some numbers on the screen. If your GPU usage is < 95%, then the game is bottlenecked by the CPU, like in all tests in this movie. Don't be confused by the low CPU usage. The game utilizes only several threads (out of 20 in this CPU), so the usage is in the range 20-25%, but this is actually the limit here.

[@ryane2507]

What would the average frames be with the Fenix at say Heathrow

[@SimHangerFS]

@@ryane2507 I got between 50 to 60

[@ryane2507]

Appreciate the reply thank you. Thinking of maybe getting the 4080 paired with the i9 10900K would the performance be similar and was that with DLSS3 on

[@Salmog]

Hi Mark. Thanks much for your excellent video. Can you give some details (or a link) about the Frame Counter you used on your video. Thanks Sam.

[@SimHangerFS]

Watch my next video…a full tutorial 👍

[@BlueSideUp]

What do you mean with DLSS 3.0 not being compatible with VR? I have almost the identical setup, use a Reverb 2 and that absolutely supports both super resolution as well as frame generation in VR.

[@Ryak84]

What a brutal CPU limit.... the 4090 hangs at around 49% ... and 160W output...... and i hope you know what the xx ms next to the fps are.

[@KT-cb6ux]

素晴らしい

I wonder if/when we'll see DLSS3 available in VR 🤔

[@SimHangerFS]

Not anytime soon I fear. The principle is the same as motion reprojection in vr

Oh, really? Haven't thought of that but of course you're right now that I think about it. With that said, I never experienced the double FPS by enabling motion reprojection. Maybe this technique is less effective in VR for whatever reason. No big deal though if you have powerful enough hardware. After I got a 4090 and later accompanied by a 13900K, my experience in VR using the Varjo Aero is like a dream come true!

[@SimHangerFS]

@ I’m envious. 👀

I was very happy being able to get the 4090 the day it was released. Right now, it's impossible to get one over here in Sweden. The 4090 is a beast as we both know. Same thing with the Aero when it comes to VR headsets. What surprised me a bit was how much better the 13900K was vs the 12900KS I had before. The 4090 and 13900K truly is a great combo! Being able to enjoy what they have to offer in the Aero really is like a dream come true. Been in this hobby for 30+ years and what we have available to us today is nothing short of amazing! Are you still thinking of getting the Pimax Crystal?

[@SimHangerFS]

@ yes I am, but my patience is running out fast.

[@paull123]

Just bought a 4080 as an upgrade to my 3070 with my 5800x3d but getting no increase in fps with DLSS turned on . To be honest no increase in any scenario. Even on high settings. I am using beta DX12. Using 1440p monitor.Any idea why anyone ? Hardware acceleration is turned on.

[@BeetjeVreemd]

Hold on, MSFS (occasionally) uses more than 10GB of VRAM on the GPU? I really need to upgrade my 2060 Super, but with the crazy 4000 series prices and only getting 16GB VRAM or more on 4080 cards and up (waaay to expensive for me those cards) i thought i'd buy a second hand 3070 so i'd at least have a bit of fps/gpu performance bump and then see if things get back to normal within a year or two, in the GPU market. But if MSFS uses that much memory that's not really an option too 🙁

[@SimHangerFS]

Recommended minimum for good performance is 12gb in my opinion. Most used that I experienced in some tests was 18gb.

[@BeetjeVreemd]

@@SimHangerFS Wow, even more frustrating that Ngreedia only gives you 16GB on 80 series card and not also on 4070(Ti) then. Thanks for you reply. I wonder what the chances are that Nvidia will make 24GB versions of 4070(Ti) in the not so distant future. Surely they'll have a hard time selling these cards with not enough VRAM, especially at these prices.

[@FinalLightNL]

So many people jump at the 13900k thinking it’s the best for MSFS blow my mind. Get a 5800X3D guys it still beats a 13900k at even 6ghz

[@alexandervoigt7313]

1000 ms / 60 (fps) = 16.66 ms frametime(!) "latency" is the wrong term here.

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes, your right, my error.

[@flyLILLO]

Thank you for this review

[@userDFboeing]

i have an i7 13700k rtx4070ti, and enabling on or off nvidia frame generation doesnt change a single thing to the fps...

[@SimHangerFS]

DX12 only and will be limited by your monitor refresh rate.

[@JugandoRD]

Is frame generation compatible with VR?

[@SimHangerFS]

No it is not unfortunately

[@dtrjones]

Thanks, Mark, fascinating, but also confusing! I have a 4090 on the way but currently, in my 2080 Ti, I'm using DLSS 2/DX11 which is giving great performance in VR. In fact, it's so good that I've completely dispensed with the OpenXR Toolkit. So given that I'm confused about how the 4090 does not show any improvements for DLSS 2 over TAA on a flat-screen? BTW you might ask why then did I buy a 4090, well that's easy, I'm looking to upgrade my Reverb G2 in the next year, but still not sure if the headset I really want has come out yet...

[@cantfindanamefree]

Because its limited by the cpu not the gpu. Dlss seems pointless to me in msfs where the issue is the cpu for me anyway. I'm on 10900k at 5ghz. 4090 isn't even pushed to the max in vr again because of cpu so I'm running taa as I find dlss the cockpit is blurry

[@jimlthor]

​@cantfindanamefree I did the same with my 3070ti. DLSS caused me to have to lean forward to read the GPS. This wasn't in VR, but in 1080p.. So I turned off DLSS. Just got my 4090 to pair with my 13700k, but haven't tested MSFS yet. Maybe tonight, but I'm sure it'll need an update, so I'll probably wait til I go to sleep to start that

[@thydney1970]

great video and explantions. what are the graphic, traffic setting in msfs of these test? everything on ultra. would be great to hear from you, i ll get my gainward phantom rtx 4090 in 3 days :-) many thx.

[@SimHangerFS]

Default ultra settings, traffic at default

[@thydney1970]

@@SimHangerFS thx a lot. open xr render scale at 100%, 150% or 200%?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@thydney1970 OpenXR is for VR only, DLSS 3.0 is not VR compatible. DLSS 2.0, Reverb G2 at OpenXR render scale at 140%.

[@thydney1970]

@@SimHangerFS i thought you used all dlss options within the vr msfs config.. so what are the best vr setting for rtx 4090 and do you have video tutorial therefore too?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@thydney1970 check out my channel for other videos etc kzbin.info/aero/PLSyT1Loyov5iNmElUYTthr7oh_FCpDVpU

[@Amioran]

You are very much CPU bound in these tests, especially given the resolution you used. For this for example between DLSS and TAA there was no difference in FPS, since the factor is solely the CPU. Latency decreases because even if interpolated frames are there the CPU is a less bottleneck than before.

[@Nareimooncatt]

When testing the control of TAA and no frame generation, your graphics card was nowhere near maxed out. Your CPU usage looked low, but that was likely the total usage across all cores. Chances are you were CPU bound by one or two cores being maxed out. I know there are some settings in the sim that drastically increase CPU usage. It would be interesting to see what a little fine tuning of the settings would get you if you removed the CPU bottleneck. Not sure I'd actually get one of the new 4000 series cards, but I prefer to see benchmarks with native performance (I.e. No DLSS or frame generation).

[@jamess6014]

How about for VR? Can you do a test?

[@SimHangerFS]

DLSS3 is not VR compatible.

[@GunSlinger221]

I would have to disagree with you on your conclusions regarding latency. You really did not perform an adequate test regarding this subject. Further more frame rates are a subjective subject due to a persons vision, frame rates of more the 50 are not detected by the human eye. If your using VR then the 4090 is a great choice, however during the summer months I hope you have AC, this wattage on this card is like cranking out a small space heater.

[@SimHangerFS]

Further tests has shown latency effectively doubled in DLSS3 on average in MSFS, however, because it is a flightsim, if you can detect an additional 12ms your a better man than me.

[@deloford]

Youre wrong on frame detection, people can defintely detect higher FPS than 50fps. There are plenty of tests that show this.

[@gervanwilliams1409]

I’m going to jump on to say, even though I appreciate all the content for improving VR experience, I think it’s pretty disgusting that KZbinrs are focusing attention on what I think is the biggest unfair practice these graphics card makers and the gaming industry are doing. Many of us have 3080 and 3090 cards, pinnacles of the 30 series, which by all standard should be running this game with ease; yet, we are being sold in the idea that we should go to 40 series for better experience. I think it is bull. With the 49 series, we will then need faster CPU and then better PSU, and so on. This is strategy for these folks to make more money. Considering the hype around SU-10 and DLSS 2 before release; which btw, I can still barely hit 49 frames on high settings in VR with version 2 on quality. They aren’t optimizing the game to work without constant upgrading of hardware. I am disappointed in every way.

[@speedbird8326]

I tend to agree. The game is clearly CPU bound and unless Asobo have a major breakthrough with the main thread code, or if they re write the code to make it truly multi-core, you will have to wait until there is a 10 GHz 20900k on the market - in about 15 years time ! I have a 4090 and a 10900k @ 5.0 GHz in SU11 beta using frame generation and with the standard aircraft I am at about 110-120 fps in most situations. However, with the A32NX, at say EDDF I’m at around 60 fps during takeoff with ultra settings and about 100 fps in the cockpit in the cruise and 120 fps in the external view in the cruise. I have a 120 fps monitor. Terrain LOD is still the biggest fps killer.

[@SimHangerFS]

Hi, whilst I may share many of your views personally, as a content creator, focused on MSFS I feel it is necessary to bring you such content so you can make your own personal judgements and decisions regarding new technology and products. Thanks for commenting. 👍

[@gervanwilliams1409]

@@SimHangerFS I appreciate it. I still enjoy, and get a lot of useful recommendations from these content. As a consumer perspective, and not a gamer, the business practice is quite loud and clear. How could they be pushing DLSS 3, when DLSS 2 was release less than a month ago with little improvement to many, and with more learning to do on all our parts? Moving on to next just feels like a kick in the butt. I will not even consider a 40 series card until I know it will ensure my enjoyment of VR fir at least 5 years.

[@ColinDyckes]

DLSS3 does indeed work very well for MSFS with frame generation as the latency (between inputs and screen output) is almost irrelevant. I'm currently CPU bound at 4K on my OC 10900K and 4090 until the 13900K 8Pack OC bundle arrives from OCUK. Sorry for hitting the wrong 'vote button' first - Big fingers 😢

[@Roy88772]

Actually frame generator is independent from DLSS so talking about it and using name DLSS 3 is technically incorrect. Nvidia using marketing like always confusing customers. More so DLSS 2 and 3 are the same. It's frame generator or let's be straight, frame interpolation is the new technology that NV introduce with GF 4xxx. Let's see the point that you can switch on frame interpolation with out DLSS. So they are two different things.

[@SimHangerFS]

I beg to differ, they are much the smal thing. It is not DLSS as the Frame Generation function excludes the lower res image render & upscaling aspect .

[@TheHexperience]

What CPU are you running?

[@SimHangerFS]

10900k

[@maxvogan8183]

I would have like to see the fps at 600 knots

[@masic.]

Yea I love going 600 knots 500 ft above the ground

[@henson2k]

Results for TAA and DLSS2 are the same. Most likely CPU limited.

[@stevesumner9988]

Isn't it true that the human eye doesn't see more than 30-35 fps? I get 30-35 fps, and no stutters. Unless I'm missing something, my experience is great. 50+ fps and up, I don't see the need. Maybe with VR. Then absolutely.

[@SimHangerFS]

Higher fps performance allows you to up your settings and visual quality.

[@MrStrosty]

Great. Now to find a 4090 card. 😢

[@NowIsGold]

Yesterday I bought a Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO for a fair price (€2200) in the Netherlands. Initially I wanted to go for Asus or MSI but they are hard to get. Zotac is less known and consequently easier to get I think. I red good things about them on Reddit. I wish you succes!

[@jamesm568]

What's the best 4090 money can buy that offers the best performance?

[@SimHangerFS]

Opinions vary, my choice is ASUS ROG Strix 4090

[@jamesm568]

@@SimHangerFS There seems to be two different versions of that.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@jamesm568 they are much the same. The OC version can run at a slightly higher clock rate.

[@jamesm568]

@@SimHangerFS I'm checking out their Tuf series now see what the difference is.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@jamesm568 I have the Tuf 4090. V good bit just a fraction slower than the Strix

[@FWrulesful]

I really doubt in ask the necessarity of dead high spec graphic card Test. Who in the flight Sim community is running such new and very expensive graphic cards Setup? This is like testing and break commanding Porsche 911 to people you can affort a Dacia.

[@SimHangerFS]

So would you prefer not to know about new technology and products, if so, your likely to be in the minority….after all you know about a Porsche 911…but do you have one?

[@lastcall170]

I don't even see dlss3 in my msfs menu...just dlss.

[@SimHangerFS]

You need SU11 (beta) …or wait until official release on 11 Nov.

[@nexe7271]

What's to test, you have 4090, you don't need any test, would can do whatever you want with that baby.

[@larshartmann609]

I am a little disappointed.. I thought it would all look much more Realistic with I9 and 4090 GTX Card..

[@einherz]

i see gpu works at 34 45% probably you need better cpu and ram. probably even more capacity of ram in heavy scenery+deep clouds weather

[@DC3Refom]

your actual frame rate has not improved , what are peoole snoking , it is frame interpolation that smoothes out every other frame thats it , theres no real performanve boost

[@jimmy8x541]

hardware unboxed are notorious radeon fanboys

[@mattjones7662]

I dont understand why your CPU and GPU were both nowhere near 100% utilisation, hence FPS could have been much higher ?

[@SimHangerFS]

MSFS Is predominantly single core. If you measured core 0 it was 100% all the way through.

[@valk67]

For people with too much time and money?! I shouldn't care at all. It's absolute nonsense to buy a 4090 now, especially at these exorbitant prices. The 3000 series meanwhile shows excellent frame rates in the MSFS range from the 3070 onwards. It always takes some time for the drivers to get the true potential out of a graphics card. It will be the same with the new generation. Those who can wait have a clear advantage. I will remain loyal to my 3080ti and can safely wait another few years.

[@MK-xc9to]

I guess you overestimate DLSS3 , you cant react faster with it , you d o n t have a faster response Time , why , its simply added Frames , collision detection is made by the Game Engine , not DLSS3 , you dont hit enemys faster , you dont see them earlier , you cant react faster because all of this is made by the Game engine . It increases the FPS counter , thats all, at most it looks a bit smoother but only on low motions but not at fast pace action . I am still sceptical ... , for me its basically fake FPS ... , doubble the FPS and the ms Time halves , as simple as it is , as i said , you dont have a faster response Time , you cant react faster , the only benefit may be if you have 25 FPS and in slow moving scenes it smoothes the moves ( with artifacts , very likely )

[@SimHangerFS]

I think you missed the point. You’r correct if in a fast paced game, but in a simulation an extra 10ms makes no difference…just smoother game play.

[@djbrokoly3909]

Why the GPU % is so low with DLSS2 and the fps are around 40?… is due to optimization?

[@SimHangerFS]

CPU holding it back, GPU managing with ease. MSFS is predominantly single threaded unfortunately.

[@djbrokoly3909]

@@SimHangerFS But CPU is not bottlenecking, the GPU should be more than 80% at least.

[@MrScampy69]

I'm running a 3090 with a i9-9900ks. Would I benefit from a CPU upgrade, maybe a 11th or 12th generation Intel? Really enjoy your videos, Mark!

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes you would get better performance, but it is a fine balance between cost and benefit. New GPU’s have a bigger buffer/cache so can process faster.

[@MrScampy69]

@@SimHangerFS Thanks!