In full: Angela van den Bogerd gives more evidence to the Post Office Horizon IT inquiry

A Post Office boss will give evidence to the Horizon scandal inquiry on Friday a day after she was accused of misleading the High Court.
Angela van den Bogerd, who was in charge of handling complaints about Horizon from 2010, told the High Court in 2019 that she did not know subpostmasters’ branch accounts could be accessed remotely before 2018.
Testifying under oath in March 2019, Ms van den Bogerd told the court in the case of Mr Bates vs the Post Office she had first become aware transactions could be inputted without a sub-postmaster’s knowledge the previous year.
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[@mikepxg6406]

Please send her to prison

[@paulbrightwell3621]

Rwanda would be better

[@HelenBlack-sn7ke]

We can only hope.

[@johnenglish929]

I don’t think anyone in the room believes a word she is saying.

[@chrisbevis7725]

Only a deaf person who could not lip read might believe her! Nobody else does and the more she speaks the more people see exactly what is on her inside! She is one of the most insidious people I have ever come across along with the Vennells creature!

[@MacAJ1874]

Evil woman... Deflecting all responsibility. A bully... and a coward.

[@monaghan5475]

All bullies are cowrards.

[@rangerista3933]

She's being highly selective in what she remembers and what she doesn't. She has zero credibility and her testimony is obviously self-serving.

[@mikepxg6406]

Would make a perfect MP.

[@keithgreen9009]

They could have rightly arrested and locked her up immediately after testifying

[@robertthompson6346]

Look at the crunchings of her fingers

[@robertthompson6346]

@@keithgreen9009 Spot on

[@marcothorsen950]

​@@mikepxg6406Very true.. As they say. A good politician is a comprehensive good Liar.. 👍

[@lizjames9848]

She’s despicable 😢

[@chrisbevis7725]

Straight out of hell!

[@oldneo4309]

Looking forward to Vennells being questioned

[@v12ngt]

She is currently working as an HR contractor and has recently overseen making 100 staff redundant at a company called Integral UK Ltd, she must be so proud of her contribution to society

[@MM.-qo7pk]

Really she needs to go to prison and not collect any money from integral uk Ltd !

[@chrisbevis7725]

I doubt she will have that job for long or any other. No decent person would work with her or under her. She needs locking in a deep, dark, damp dungeon in prison where she can't corrupt the other prisoners!

[@sellesportico]

Alan Bates will lead the Crowd Fund for the prosecutions. It will be bigger than Colonel Tom.

[@duncan512]

The apathy and arrogance of people in positions of responsibility is a cancer in this country.

[@grantmcewan6300]

It's laughable that she portrays her role as just a facilitator. Her level of seniority must have meant that she would be expected to guide the review and resolution of issues. What a charlatan.

[@03louis]

Her pay packet didn't reflect the role of just a facilitator.

[@annespencersitbackchat424]

She is definitely used to taking the power .. her attitude isn’t one of facilitating 😂

[@moiramees7598]

She didn't know anything.......thought that was someone else's job....What did she actually do for her salary and bonus?

[@HelenBlack-sn7ke]

Sums up POL managers. Comes to work to read emails (?), ignore said emails and then forward on. Get hefty remuneration and go home, forget everything that happened during that day.

[@mervynhardy6161]

This excuse of a woman is a pathetic, a truly awful giving of evidence . Let us pray the wheel turns the full circle.

[@oldneo4309]

An illustration of Corporate Narcissistic tactics and then more Gaslighting. I hope justice is eventually served.

[@fatwalletboy2]

Having now heard this woman and her emotionless tone I think Katherine Kelly who played her in the ITV drama got her spot on.......

[@debibuxton1335]

Except she was nicer than the original 😅

[@nsturgeon7145]

Every word she uttered, except her name was a lie. Sub-postmasters should take her to a civil court.

[@nickbiskinis4854]

There is a strong potential case for her to face charges of criminal negligence and perjury

[@nickbiskinis4854]

...by which i don't mean a prvate prosecution but full criminal charges.

[@nsturgeon7145]

@@nickbiskinis4854 let's hope it's sooner than later, and everyone can have justice.

[@nickbiskinis4854]

If no criminal charges follow after this Inquiry then it will have failed and this sort of injustice will happen again - just at some other public body. It is essential, given the evidence and public interest, that criminal prosecutions of these individuals take place

[@Isclachau]

The sheer amount of lies this woman is giving in evidence is breathtaking. The front of this woman makes me sick.

[@moiramees7598]

The Post master need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to pay for civil prosecutions.

[@johnmurray9526]

I'll put £50 in right now.

[@MM.-qo7pk]

Yeah just to see these devils go to prison is justice for the nation

[@johnmurray9526]

Are these the kind of people who normally run huge companies??? Sounds to me like she couldn't run a bath!

[@timshapcott8556]

Zero credibility as proven in court.... A jury would see through this no problem.. Probably said enough to move on...unfortunately just a hard faced cow.

[@alanrogers9597]

Mislead my arse ,,,,,,, She's perjured herself, and she knows it !!!! so where's the met in all this, ???

[@alw9935]

Arresting everyone who doesn’t support Hamas?

[@christopherjohnson8896]

Really straightforward, she wanted to keep her job, salary, power. just admit it. Then, just tell the truth, give these people some rest and retribution. Be that person in this debacle.

[@gdrums7733]

sociopathic behaviour, Did no wrong, wasn’t responsible, tried to help, but the evidence showed something very different. Final barrister summed it up post office to the core and would do anything to look good to her superiors, she did everything they wanted with or without asking. She knew her role and cannot hide from it. Look forward to her criminal trail if the sub-post masters are to get true justice.

[@marcothorsen950]

Will the Criminals involved ever face prosecution in a Court of Law ?? The cover up/blame game & Lies is incomprehensible. Justice must be served..👍

[@ethanstapley7018]

4:13:55 Best section, all the way to end of broadcast. Don't miss it.

[@matt96533]

Thanks for the bookmark

[@JeremyWyattsMobile]

Yes, that was an excellent cross examination

[@Lep_Short]

The whole management team including Fujitsu heads should be criminally charged.

[@mervynhardy6161]

Funny how she knows what DIDN'T happen but has forgotten what did happen.

[@dedoc7143]

It's a strange coincidence that no one can remember reading any incriminating information, but can become Rain Man when it has a positive spin.

[@DarrenPhillips001]

That woman is highly unusual: she doesn’t seem to have any redeeming human characteristics. And she doesn’t seem to possess a whisper of moral fibre or awareness of the truth in her body. These people often reach the top. Witness Sunak, May, Johnson ,Cameron.

[@keithbate9405]

Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Mao etc

[@charlesbuchanan1878]

If I had lied to a judge then I would be sentanced to prison. Will she go to the clink?

[@ms.carriage6867]

nope. It's up to the government to prosecute and by the time all this is over they will probably hope everyone will have forgotten or statute limitations would apply

[@rayericphillips3916]

The skill of these professional men is getting to the truth of the matter and the conclusion is coming out!

[@user-ol3xe5fz4u]

why cant the official lawyers be as aggressive/honest as the ones representing the postmasters!!!!!

[@duncan512]

The lawyers are being professional 🧐

[@MM.-qo7pk]

Yeah the lawyers here are being really nice to this gang , interrogation is need on this bunch of criminals

[@Marg-nt7qm]

they don't need to be .. all they say is poured over by forensic lawyers all the lies come to the surface ready for the next round

[@dinacox1971]

Help me, please!!! Does anyone know that the fact that this horrible excuse for a human being was not cautioned mean that she will not be prosecuted???

[@leoralph2810]

This in a public inquiry not a criminal trial.

[@tonycowley9246]

She should be locked up, and ordered to pay back everything i.e. all her bonuses. She only looking afer umber one, herself. Its against the law to tell lies in court, its called perjury. Lock her up and throw away the key. She's Guilty.

[@jonathanfoster2568]

Just another corporate ghoul

[@roswilliams2899]

Here's what's on her Linked-In: Angela Van Den Bogerd MBA, MCIPD People & Change Director, NED experience Accomplished HR senior leader with experience gained across the people function within a large, complex, unionised, regulated, multi site, UK organisation and more recently with a SME. Skilled at transitioning seamlessly between strategic people management and organisational effectiveness, at ease in the boardroom and with the front line, creates an organisational climate to enable people to work at their best. A vibrant, collaborative and engaging business leader with broad corporate experience gained through a variety of roles - HR, transformational change, customer service, operations, commercial, HR shared services, crisis management, project management - renowned for her drive, resilience, adaptability and proven track record in leading and facilitating business change has inspired people to embrace new ways of working and repeatedly deliver excellent service and sustainable business results. So how come she didn't read or didn't understand messages sent to her, didn't understand anything she was told and can't remember anything? Surely she should change her Linked-In to something appropriate like "Very poor memory, difficulty reading and concentrating on anything. But happy to get huge salary and bonuses for being useless."

[@visionproductionsnz7828]

Shows amazing memory of some things and none of others.This shouldn't be an inquiry it should be criminal court proceedings, and everyone knows it.

[@nickaxe771]

How many things has SHE FORGOTTEN TODAY>>>>>WHY HAVE THE ALL GOT SUCH POOR MEMORIES.

[@debbiestevens4382]

Because she’s been coached as denying knowledge is better than accepting blame! “If I had been aware of the information that I know now, then I would have acted differently” A brilliant sentence that not only absolves her but also blames others.

[@rdgrdg1632]

I hope her family are so proud animal of a human being

[@TaffyMac-nc8ey]

Lock her up

[@68trillby]

Embarrassing to be Welsh, I wouldn't believe her radio.

[@lizzy2161]

Still sniffing; still lying; but sitting comfortably on her bonuses.

[@DigitalPerspectivesUK]

Judge Peter Fraser criticised Van De Bogherd her testimony and said she "did not give me frank evidence, and sought to obfuscate matters, and mislead me". Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, challenged Ms van den Bogerd's opening statement, as he accused her of not saying sorry for her own role in the scandal… The actions and motives were to save money and for personal gain in the way of significant benefits & bonus pay outs!!! Not to protect the brand.., it was to protect shareholders and save the business from going bankrupt!!

[@paulharris1502]

What shareholders?

[@sellesportico]

She was in charge of the SPM Help Line ! Read that’ Prosecution Line’. This is getting very bad indeed for AVDB

[@stuartjames222]

Another PO employee who suffers from selective memory 🤔🤔😡😡😡

[@laxeystu8096]

These people have a stony-faced attitude in the midst of their integrity, competence, and professionalism being destroyed

[@user-sr8hs1ix4u]

Should be in jail

[@craigwilliams4614]

They've been on the fiddle and are blaming the post masters.

[@nikolaslarson6891]

It is highly probable Angela van den Bogus' career in general has with today's performance been definitively terminated.

[@jules1148]

Yes but she has the money accrued from the Post Office including bonuses. I doubt she needs to work

[@dogzero1]

Just watched the whole enquiry today. She is a liar and it shows. Selective amnesia and no thoughts for the lives she helped ruin. I want to see her jailed and he post office pension removed

[@chel3SEY]

Jason Beer treats van den Bogerd far too gently here.

[@stellamariayates3776]

Perhaps he feels this will make her responses less guarded and she will incriminate herself.

[@GGritsun]

Prison….for all of those who hid this appalling situation under the carpet. These people are DESPICABLE!! A lot of NHS managers are not much better

[@moiramees7598]

Totally agree. The managers who ignored Doctors concerns about Lucy Letby should be imprisoned too.

[@BenDorm]

So we are to believe that an e mail addressed to Angela Van Den Bogerd on January 5th 2011 , with the Subject line “ Horizon System Issues “ she didn’t know the significance of that e mail. She can not be serious.

[@roswilliams2899]

Looks like none of the PO execs had any kind of education as they don't seem to understand anything they are told and seem unable to read any written messages sent to them. What was her education?

[@user-ey6rc1uo3i]

She is seriously dishonest.

[@atayt]

A dangerous person, sadly many like her

[@paulbrightwell3621]

It was mentioned she was made redundant n 2019 - effectively this would have enabled her to receive her gold plated final salary pension with no penalties!!! Was that for services rendered to the PO exec? In any other 'reputable' organisation she would have been sacked for gross misconduct and lost her pension rights - rather than lumbering the taxpayers to pay her a nice income for the rest of her life. Given her obvious failures to be sufficiently inquisitive (even giving her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't willfully lying) and the impact of her failures on sub postmasters lives and contributing to the dire reputation of the PO - it is beyond belief she was simply made redundant.

[@robertthompson6346]

Spot on - no shame

[@annespencersitbackchat424]

Not used to being held to account .. get used it now ..

[@silondon9010]

Prison sentences required

[@kenmilne1816]

Sir Walter Scott 1808 “Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”

[@applepie8772]

She is cold calculated and very clearly committing purgery imo. A referral to the police / cps should be made asap.

[@Eppideem]

They knew how much money was taken. Paying it back would be the easiest thing. Now this huge mess. Why not have given it all back instantly? Anyone get the feeling we still haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet? Like all that money is/was sat in someone's holiday account.

[@DigitalPerspectivesUK]

Gareth Jenkins, chief IT architect at Fuj is one of only two people involved in the POscandal facing possible legal consequences, as the Met Police investigate him for potential perjury.21 Mar 2024 The technology expert who built the faulty Horizon IT system is understood to want immunity before appearing at a public inquiry. Gareth Jenkins, 69, previously gave evidence saying the Fujitsu system was 'not corrupt'

[@Perry840]

Potential that posecutions are connected to PO branch closure targets are astounding! 👀🤯

[@JamieMarshallMusician]

why did the FA of Wales offer her a job?

[@bristolfashion4421]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

[@tonygallagher5148]

Horrible piece of new age manager ...

[@user-no5ee7nn9d]

She's a Liar, even under oath she's still lying, and the whole world is watching her.

[@pippabailey6505]

Blatantly obvious that Post office have hidden so much . I really do hope people are held accountable

[@derekjones5999]

hmm how these people get these positions astounds me

[@duncan512]

They are obedient and loyal people to those above them, and are therefore trusted to be promoted. Even to this day she is still protecting them by omission.

[@JeremyWyattsMobile]

Needs a criminal trial with severe penalties if found guilty

[@markbracewell7762]

lock her up. Guilty

[@Nuts-Bolts]

There are non so blind as those who will not see.

[@mikepxg6406]

Imagine all the money spent on this enquiry. Should have just given it to the relevant postmasters.

[@pw847]

Is it me ? But are the POL staff running rings around the legal team ? Especially Beer KC .

[@triggersw3350]

Thankfully in a criminal court a defendant saying 'Sorry, it was over 10 years ago, I don't recall killing that person or hiding the evidence, is not proof they didn't do either. Hoping these forensic examinations of POL witness statements plus other info gleaned in the process , will reveal who knew or didn't know what, what exactly they did or didn't do about it and leave no-one doubting what legally and morally they should have done. Maybe then we'll see the right people in court.

[@emilybeaumont8364]

I will donate to the crowd fund

[@allseeingi]

Having seen the real “ Thing” in action describing how she wasn’t involved or didn’t know anything of note about what was going on under her watch , the actress who played her in the ITV drama gave an eerily accurate portrayal. It’s clearly obvious they’ve all lawyered up , I hope they are all having the sleepless nights , anguish and uncertainty that they imposed on those innocent postmasters and their families . Not sure if justice will be delivered and there still a former CBE holder piece of work to appear before the enquiry, that will be extremely interesting 🤔

[@robeveritt]

Awful. Awful. Awful.

[@jennywilkinson509]

Isn’t purgery a jailable offence?

[@arlenreinstein9907]

The “scheme ” was actually a scam

[@Readyteddygo]

I don’t think a bunch of lies is actually “evidence”

[@mickd6942]

Somewhere a tree is producing oxygen so she can breath , she should find that tree and apologise.

[@deanleng7403]

Can remember exactly what didn’t happen , and cannot remember what actually did happen . Liar , thief , bully , coward , criminal .

[@mickd6942]

Jail Jail Jail

[@0der206]

Watch Mr Bates vs the Post Office....PBS

[@robinblick9375]

The lies are now in full flood.

[@stellamariayates3776]

"A balancing transaction" as opposed to changing figures at will unbeknownst to post masters - 2.24

[@canderson1955]

It weren’t me Guv!

[@tripper0354]

She should be hired as a skating coach by the UK ice hockey team.

[@stw7506]

I find this woman extremely cold and uncaring about the hurt, suffering and financial loss to Post Office employees under her watch with Paula Vennels.

[@oliverharrison2157]

Numerberg lite. Put her on trial asap.

[@skeletor7702]

She seems to forget things

[@ukmedical4206]

Still doesn’t explain how the excess money paid back by post masters wasn’t fully accounted… errors would be spotted on every system if all was fully accounted for , giving the post office the ability to generate their own funds from nowhere!!!

[@christofferknight8567]

She knew

[@DavidMyers-bl9gx]

Fujitsu made a mess. Covered up Post office realised this And got in to deep prosecutions. Covered up. Then worked together. The government trusted the upper management to be honest. Because they are like Themselves.

[@stever2583]

wanted to make the group look independent!

[@frankthornton589]

How was she qualified for that position pure lies

[@paullewis2413]

I don’t think so, I don’t remember, not as I read that, etc. etc. Nothing that resulted in this outrageous perversion of justice had anything to do with me. Hmm very convincing 😩

[@user-uu3mg4cl2q]

Lier, lies,corruption?corporate

[@leebrand2172]

Mmmm. I think Angela should spend some quiet time in HM facilities to allow her to reflect a bit....

[@RickPeake01]

Lies lies lies and more lies.. and BT involved... fancy that.😂

[@lynnechapman6202]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it 'irritating' that she answers every question put to her with the word "So ... " ?!