In-Genius Items Pack DLC Review | Evil Genius 2

[@TeddyNinja]

What do you guys think the best item in this DLC is?

[@ahhou5800]

Armory , prison and infirmary items. The Armory/infirmary does help alot on guard minions, buff their max hp to 125 yet much more effective againts forces of justice.

[@TwistedMe13]

@@ahhou5800 Agreed. That said I do see some use for the Worker Station if your doing a Red Ivan playthrough (or dealing with Blue Saint). Don't think of them as weaker guard stations-- use them as firewatch stations. Wall them off from sightlines of heavily traffikced areas and stash loads of fire extinguishers. Since The Doomsday device use will cause high alert they will gather to the stations, once the device is fired the alert ends and they can now deal with any fires in the immediate vicinity caused by the backlash from causing H.A.V.O.C.

[@scottgatchell5049]

360 cameras in the ceiling would have seemed more advantageous, but would break the gameplay-building rules.

[@scottgatchell5049]

I would love to play a Mini-Game with the punchobot.

[@scottgatchell5049]

Regarding security checkpoint not convenient at your heli- entrance... You might also try moving the the walls, to create an S in the corridor at that junction, to allow one checkpoint to cover both entrances

[@jaundersousa3530]

Great in-depth comparisons! In addition, I really like the idea of putting all items for a specific minion type in one area.

[@ceu160193]

It certainly improves productivity, as minions do not have to walk far from their workplace to restore their stats.

[@Doddibot]

Maybe Worker stations are to be placed deep in the base so the workers run away from the entrances when you activate high alert?

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah that's an idea, I also really like TwistedMe13's comment about with Ivan placing them in areas where you want minions to be ready to fight fires.

[@WhiteWoof]

@@TeddyNinja I agree that it's best for Ivan, but how strong are the side effects from Emma and Zalika's super weapons? Could minions fight those off without getting super wrecked?

[@TeddyNinja]

@@WhiteWoof worker minions can do okay against the insane minions. Venom crazies get their strength based on which minions turn. Void worshippers get a new stat line I believe, but you can combat this by making all void worshippers prioritize schemes before they go crazy.

[@brycehoward4139]

Definitely seems like cut content though

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah, because these items don't bring any new gameplay features to the game. There is nothing that's "brand new" here, just variations on things we already have.

[@trevynlane8094]

Not a bad thing, and that is probably why they are not charging for it. Oh, wait...

[@sechran]

The #1 point I have to agree with is that dumping these items into the game from the word jump feels wildly out of place. Research is a nice idea, but I find it runs out of relevance really quickly - slotting some of this in on a more organic basis would have really helped with that fact.

[@MorbidMind123]

I kind of feel like they were working on the bed/doors as some sort of cosmetic item DLC with more of a focus on giving fun themed things to stick around and at some point someone said "No one will want to pay for this" so they cut some items out of the basegame and stuck them into it.

[@brendanjohnston4676]

Wait, woah woah woah, how do you have LESS than 1K subs? You've been making awesome EG2 Stuff lately! Well, tell ya what! I'll increase that number by one! Your videos are always enjoyable (and educational), so, uh, here.

[@stephenmemelord2303]

need a potted plant camera you can sneak into rooms

[@scottgatchell5049]

... and a Metal Gear Solid cardboard box, with two eyeholes, that just randomly slinks around your lair. Every once in a while a nearby guard goes "!" for a few seconds, but then casually returns to his/her duty..

[@grindlebone]

Could the worker station be intended to get workers to congregate somewhere away from combat, the opposite of the guard post?

[@TeddyNinja]

possibly, that would be a lot of worker stations though...

[@KleberDKurosaki]

I'm trying to use the worker station as an way to the workers stay out of the way of Muscle Minions

[@Vindrael]

I kinda like the beds, armory stuffs and the income increase computer. Bed makes it easier to 'zone' each minion type accordingly. it also have somewhat better effect, not as good as luxury but better than bunk i guess Armory give nice buff although that security station is kinda unsatisfying. You still need someone to man the security desk for it to function since it's counted as a part of our camera network which doesn't make sense considering someone already sit on that station all day long watching empty corridors but still need another guy to watch empty corridor... The income increase quite helpful in early to mid game i guess, i build 2 of those on new playthrough and it's easier to get enough cash to build stuffs, pay salary and still fill in the vault once you got network lv 2. Granted it's just med diff though so might be different on high The rest of item are kinda 'eh' , that resolve breaking prison is kinda ok... but doesn't make sense why it's more expensive considering the flavor text. The secure prison can come in handy if you place those prison in corridor style, just place 1 secure near the way out and your done, no need to hassle with corridor tile but have way less vision so reduce time in reaction. i still gonna say it's better if you get a corridor tile instead of this.... Doors are... well doors... sure you can use them to stall agents but that's it... not much to say about these expensive doors except 'makes your lair looks good'

[@darthPotato379]

one thing you could use the worker station for is getting workers out of the way

[@youtubewatcher759]

I really wish they would design a game like this, but a Fantasy Theme - Wizards, rogues, healers, spells and building a base to keep heroes out of your treasure room.

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah that would be awesome. There are a few reverse dungeon crawlers where you play as the bad guy trying to keep out the pesky heros, Legend of the Keepers is the newest and one of the best. But it's not a 1 to 1 fantasy version of Evil Genius.

[@archerkid02]

It's forever later, but Naheulbeuk's Dungeon Master just came out with that premise! An evil wizard hires you to run his castle and keep the pesky adventurers out. The humor and graphics styles seem very similar to Evil Genius 2.

[@Vamatt99218]

These items were locked before certain tutorial objectives if thats any consolation but I get your point.

[@stephenmemelord2303]

I made 90 of the income boosting arrays while playing as Max and now I am incapable of getting IRIS to shut up about my full vault

[@TeddyNinja]

That's amazing

[@SimbaLionheart]

you can force minions out of combat zones, not the best use of space but keeps minions out of danger

[@Bannedchan]

When i read DLC, only thing i would want is the beds, but less so at size i see now. I also think vase game should be able to assign beds to type, so we can have luxury for muscle only etc.

[@TeddyNinja]

yeah that would actually be great, to get different modes for the existing beds.

[@devilbowser253]

I feel like they meant for people to buy the season pass with the bulk of it being the new henchmen and campaign while everything else was just nice things you got to have on top of it all

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah, the monetization scheme of the game was that the base game was cheap, and then with the season pass the price came up to a full priced game, it's just you knew the second half was going to be coming later. Who would have thought that the surprise free DLC was going to be the best stuff :)

[@z-man_playz_shortz]

D and C tier only. Just needed to be specific.

[@slate613]

14:09 Is it safe for that poor merc to be standing in the field of the scanner for extended periods?. 😂

[@TeddyNinja]

MaxCorp is not responsible for the side effects of misuse, or normal use of the items depicted.

[@Fr8monkey]

@@TeddyNinja Maxcorp has a rider in the contract that anyone using, standing near, looking at or even knowing about any equipment in the base waives any liability in perpetuity for the life of the minion... gotta read that fine print.

[@Kevin-vj5rh]

someone knows the difference in efficiency of all the 4 computer terminals to gain intel?

[@RaisinHook]

I really wanted a cryo-chamber to put Henchmen in so you can have more than 5 at once, and also Super Agents cuz it's a bit anti-climatic to just kill them

[@jastrongames790]

-_- I like to think of this pack as something everyone wanted so badly

[@gallendugall8913]

good video - very helpful

[@MarekAndreansky]

The Flame and Slice are still mutually exclusive - if you get the Flame first you can't get the Slice. If however you get the Slice first, you can still get the Flame.

[@TeddyNinja]

Interesting, I see on Steam that achievement is still at 0% too...

[@MarekAndreansky]

@@TeddyNinja People don't know, but it has been brought up on the Rebellion discord so hoping for a fix on the next patch.

[@smithynoir9980]

The new items / appearance from this DLC are nice, but it feels like a rushed out cash grab. I mean, take the Advanced Computer for example, we can build it immediately in Control Rooms completely negating the incentive to research Intel Generating tech or even capture / interrogate agents in the early - mid game. Would it really have been so hard to add in a couple Research Nodes or add the items to existing nodes?

[@Gay4MapleSyrup]

Kinda wish that they added better power generators

[@fitchfam6312]

I challenge you to do a play through where you have to have 1 captured minion from the start of the game to the end of the game without any dlc if that minion escapes or dies you lose and have to restart

[@TeddyNinja]

Haha that sounds like an exercise in futility. I am working on a challenge video though... trying to figure out a good set of rules for a speed run and getting some of the other channels that have covered EG2 to join in :)

[@KrossyAep]

I Love your vids teddyninja

[@nickolasyg]

I think the bigger consoles generated more intel since you placed max with his power activated next to them, not because they were better

[@TeddyNinja]

Very observant. So, I did actually use Max with his ability for the smaller consoles too but that ended up getting cut out the way I edited the footage. I am confident in saying the bigger consoles are better.

[@nickolasyg]

@@TeddyNinja thanks for testing

[@niakitten2937]

Worker stations....to get them away from the fights maybe? But that's a lot of cost for that. Hrm.

[@Fr8monkey]

I would like a real Puncho bots. Life size Rockem Sockem Robots... what isn't to like.

[@TeddyNinja]

Yes! Now I'm curious if you can still get the little plastic ones that would make their heads shoot up...

[@scottgatchell5049]

@@TeddyNinja if they are still available, i would 3D print some celebrity heads, so I can enjoy punching XYZ in the face...

[@blackskull3276]

Hey it looks like you had this save before the new items came out I thought you had to reset the world in order to get new items? Hope there's a way of getting new stuff in a save that was before the new content dropped because I do not want to start a new world again

[@TeddyNinja]

This was a brand new save for the video. Haha it does look just like another one of my bases because I wanted to get things set up fast and didn't have time to be creative :P

[@blackskull3276]

​@@TeddyNinja oh that sucks. you work really well in really fast if that was a new save also thank you so much for responding I go like video now

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

See, this kind of cut content-flavored DLC is why I'm waiting for a sale to buy.

[@TeddyNinja]

Yes, haha, Evil Genius 2 is a great wait for sale game.

[@rickynielsen3060]

Hi, TeddyNinja is der a wey to unlock Carrion Flower Loot Item and Full Metal Jackie in one gameplay run?

[@TeddyNinja]

Hmm, I am actually not sure. In my saves where I have Jackie I've gotten her after the chapter at which the flower will already be locked away but I have not been playing with the goal of getting both.

[@rickynielsen3060]

@@TeddyNinja will I haft been playing with the goal of but be de time. Jackie unlock de Carrion Flower never Kom op so you need to unlock des Carrion Flower before you unlock Jackie if des work...

[@z-man_playz_shortz]

WHY ISN'T THE INGENIUS DLC FREE?! Why? Just why?

[@KiallVunMyeret]

yeah i agree it's really weird that they are all available at the start. feels like cheating

[@WhiteWoof]

How fast can 4 Scientists generate intel on the normal computer, though? I realize Scientists have a higher upkeep, but later on when you only have them so you can replace the higher science minions after sending them on missions.... might as well have them working on Intel while waiting for a promotion.

[@TeddyNinja]

I haven't tested the exact efficiencies of all the intel items + different modes. I should see about doing a quick video explaining them all because as you unlock new stuff you get the computer array which can use biologists, and then the holographic globe which can use quantum chemists. Balancing the more expensive items and minions against just building more of the cheap stuff is an interesting question.

[@timemage88x13]

Its free because you used to be able to capture them and turn them... yes????

[@TeddyNinja]

Not sure what you mean.

[@a-pizza-pie]

Greedy devs hiding good, normal content behind paywalls!

[@TeddyNinja]

Haha when they made the paywall a trap called the most evil thing.

[@llewelynshingler2173]

@@TeddyNinja Much less funny when they actually do that

[@z-man_playz_shortz]

Challenge: beat a campaign with only the worst henchmen in the game. You up for the challenge?

[@TeddyNinja]

Hmm I suppose I did get a few good ones in my speedrun challenge with Easy Builds. I'm going to do a full let's play when we get the new campaign beginning of next year so we'll see what challenges we can throw in to spice things up.

[@z-man_playz_shortz]

@@TeddyNinja well good luck. "Starts manically laughing"

[@CheapSoda1]

Game doesn't carry the same charm as the old one... I don't know if it's the flow or the pace, it doesn't feel right. Got bored with it after a few weeks.

[@TeddyNinja]

Fair, haha, I think the developers mistook "bad puns" for "charm"

[@CheapSoda1]

@@TeddyNinja 😂 maybe. I ended up playing the game in permanent fast forward. The research tree is boring and lost the sence of discovery from the old one, now it's just min/maxing limiting your research by plot points. The traps are spammy and don't require the same finess the old system required. You can combo but now you can be successful by spamming to easily without thought. The casino is an upgrade but it sucks that mazing is a thing, breaks the "spy in the casino being manipulated" feeling and replaces it with a shitty tower defence maze ruller setup. 😂 There are good and bad about the second game but it just felt "meh" to me and the above points killed it off faster than it had to.

[@janosmichelmann1110]

I do think some of the new items are really good while others maybe not so much but the biggestcon for me is: Again to get this items you have to start all over again. Which annoying if you in the pretty late game. I mean really how hard is it to add this new content into an older Game ?!? Its not right other games do that all the times. So its either lazyness by the devs or what would make much more sense its expanding your time of play by having to start all over again.

[@TeddyNinja]

It's 100% that the devs want you to have to start a new save because they gave the old saves the statue of #2 loot item which they released at the same time as part of patch 1.4

[@scottgatchell5049]

So far... 1) I feel the need to scrap my game so far and start again, to get all the content. 2) maybe an Emergency Gathering Point for non-combatants would help. 3) still waiting to show my appreciation for your efforts.. you have something like patreon or "buymeacoffee"? 🧞🐻

[@TeddyNinja]

Patreon is in the works, but in the mean time I have paypal and streamlabs links to receive support! Support the Channel: streamlabs.com/teddyninja or paypal.me/supportteddyninja I am starting to get these links in my video descriptions. I am honored that you want to support the channel and am looking forward to setting up ways of giving back fun goodies and recognition for donors in the near future.

[@anonymousguy1794]

Fort Knox doors.. Saber territories shouldn't have anything to do with this.. It's from ft Knox, so that's north America, Patriot territory.

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah, I'm still at a loss for what it takes to unlock the doors.

[@anonymousguy1794]

@@TeddyNinja I also don't know the exact ways to trigger it. Ironically, I did get both the doors and the other one that you mentioned you didn't get... No clue on the triggers though..

[@TeddyNinja]

@@anonymousguy1794 Haha, glad you were able to nab them at least.

[@Foxhood]

Those worker stations seem like a Doomsday damage control kind of thing. Spreading workers to every corner of the base when they fire. Be it for dealing with fire by HAVOC, having a few of them near laboratories should some of the science minions go berserk cause VOID/VENOM and for quickly cleaning up the Golden statues by MIDAS. In overall this pack is a sorely missed opportunity. If it was released as a QoL content update for the base game they'd be lapping up praise. They could even have it just patch into everyone's current playthroughs like the No.2 statue did evading the "i gotta restart AGAIN?!?!" problem that the DLC's toggle-able nature gives. But no...

[@TeddyNinja]

I'm with you 100%. It feels like the DLC is very unambitious and was just set in stone before the main game even launched and now the devs are gonna stick to it in spite of rising negative reviews.

[@MRMOON-jk1cs]

It is annoying that this is just some items But what idiot buys the DLC's seperately? Just buy the season pass, two henchman and a new genius are more than worth it (and maybe the minion packs will be good as well)

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah, I'm very curious what the minion packs are going to look like.

[@StarStuDDedChefs]

Garbage DLC, just like the last one. 👎 👎 No new super agents that target your special henchmen (like Espectro), and other than skins, nothing added to the overall story or enjoyment of the game. It’s unfortunate so far. If they keep this up their entire base game will have negative reviews on Steam, and not just the *very negative* reviews of the DLCs. Other than that, I’ll most likely be using the beds to segregate the different types of minions to different parts of the lair. That should keep the muscle minions from going into the casino and resting there cuz there won’t be any beds for them.

[@TeddyNinja]

Yeah, and the items aren't adding anything new to the game. They are just variants on what we've already been playing with. DLC is the chance to bring in something totally new (a loyalty stat for minions for example, there's a ton of cool stuff they could do) and the devs are just not being very ambitious with this DLC.

[@scottgatchell5049]

@@TeddyNinja how would they implement something like task pools, where some workers/guards/etc. are exempt from global missions? Or, similarly, have a core group of minions that regularly buff up... That would improve the effectiveness of having or using those lair items.

[@TeddyNinja]

@@scottgatchell5049 Yeah having those kind of systems would be really nice. They could set it up with an improvement to the minion priority system they already have through the minion manager, maybe upgrade to being able to schedule routines for minion types. I really like the idea of marking some minions as exempt from going out on schemes so you can end up with a kind of veteran guard that keeps your base running.

[@Isakboh]

i have 12 million evil genius money