In loving memory - BootDK Monk

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

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[@harryrundle7897]

F

[@Bewnnit]

The Dragon Kick making the rotation too flexible i can understand but...Why did they remove the charges though?...seems like double compensated in my eyes. raptor and curl stacks went down by 1...

[@kirigherkins]

can't have shit in Tuliyollal

[@Tinandel]

Tooty Fruity

[@ubermaster1]

"Remember...remember that we once lived"~BootDK

[@84elmer]

No, I don't think I will - Cpt. America style.

[@Minizor27]

Thank you for documenting this build of the job! I've found it's very difficult to find clear, concise explanations of past builds of the game- and this sort of effort, while technically unnecessary, is wonderful to see.

[@mocabunn]

Design MNK properly once in 12 years challenge: Impossible

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

As someone who's been playing MNK since 2014, this is so fucking true.

[@mocabunn]

@@Gillian_FFXIV Same.

[@Mochachocakon]

Meanwhile Black Mage has been a consistently well oiled machine that no one wants to play in content that pushes back

[@Ravemaster620]

​@@MochachocakonNot anymore from what I've heard

[@iantaakalla8180]

Yeah, these days the “fun of black mage” is the Pictomancer’s domain.

[@MrLarsogm]

This job always gets so weird LOL

[@AdellRedwinters]

It was an interesting tech, but no serious monk main thought it was gonna remain like that.

[@Mysterious_XIV]

Dawntrail is an expansion where the message is about letting go..

[@wolrereaper]

LET GO OF 2 MINUTES ❤ TIME FOR FF16 COMBAT RAHHHHH

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@wolrereaper please for the love of god, I would be so happy if we'd just lose the 2 minute meta bullshit.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I wanted the chance to even try ice paradox but I only reached post-Stormblood by the time of Dawntrail

[@zanagi]

Not for viper enjoyers xdd

[@Dharengo]

@@Ashen_Night116 People _wanted_ the 2 minute meta. They only started to hate it after they actually got it.

[@Patcheresu]

Thank you for doing this. This game needs more people documenting and immortalizing moments like this.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

Hoooooly shit a content creator that actually credits the music used in the video, thank you so much. Anytime i watch a video and it has great music, 9/10 times its not credited and i miss out on adding these wonderful songs to my spotify playlists :(

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

@@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi these videos are just excuses to get people listening to music I like, don't tell anyone

[@pyakuraxiv]

Whatever this is about, I always appreciate your BiS taste in music

[@andrewvuori4739]

Nothing to do with FFXIV but the music in this video is INSANE, how did I discover 3 great artists from a video documenting FFXIV monk rotations? A math rock group nonetheless 10/10

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

I aim to please

[@fahadabdullah6469]

I just noticed that drogn kick doesnt need opo opo form after playing the expansion for 70+ hours with monk, I am shocked lol

[@taigenraine]

"Boot to the head" - the wise master to Ed Gruberman

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

Rip monks, the class that never was.

[@StarshadowMelody]

BootDK looks like some kind of Donkey Kong related computer joke.

[@Brass319]

well, you _are_ repeating the monkey stance attacks, so it makes sense on that level too

[@ArciOfficiaI]

You will be missed. :sob:

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

Reupload because the previous version has entirely the wrong clip for LL S Woops

[@Swuh]

Goated TK music choice

[@shushquiet4024]

I'm gonna miss BootDK. It was fun while it lasted o7

[@drchocolatetv]

Rip BootDK

[@seraphlord]

rest in peace brave soul o7

[@VoermanIdiot]

The design document spanning the Monk job has to look like the ramblings of a serial killer at this point with all the weird changes nobody asked for over the years.

[@gnostechnician]

If I had a nickel for every time Dragon Kick had abnormal potency and requirements resulting in a weird alternative rotation...

[@TwoGoodGames]

i created a rotation, and tried to revolve it around this, but it was still technically inferior to a "more normal" rotation because of the guarenteed bootshine critical.

[@catnip3263]

Based PB having tfvsjs as background music, I kneel

[@hats1642]

i hope 8.0 comes with yet another dragon kick spam rotation.

[@baysiderolla]

Yeah I’m gonna need a playlist or something from you

[@willthelalafell]

After trying for myself at lvl 90 this feels cursed to play.

[@chrispysaid]

Imagine uploading a video pointing to an error squenix made while running mods and having your name and home world right there on screen Imagine personally asking YP to ban you

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

Would be pretty cool if yoshi p was secretly a #PBHead

[@ThisIsOurParadise]

i’m so sad at the dawntrail monk changes. Was by far my favourite job in EW and now it feels like they completely gutted the skill ceiling of the job in favour of “press glowy button”.

[@Atiredproblem]

First time? We get a new job every expansion and/or every three major patches, lol.

[@0xx0CoffeeFoam0xx0x]

​@@AtiredproblemI'll take stornblood Monk please for the love of Yoshi P revert the job ;-;

[@Atiredproblem]

@@0xx0CoffeeFoam0xx0x Honestly, same. I had a lot of fun with TK monk

[@Dharengo]

I mean... The rotation is completely unchanged. Except we now have to fit in 2 more gcds into the already tight burst window. I don't see what the fuss is about.

[@TheCarcinogenesis]

​@@Dharengodo you actually want to know what the problems are? Because it's deeper than just being "too easy"

[@lightknightgames]

That optimization of BS DK BS is kind of brilliant. I hope they fix it by only changing potencies, and not by just gutting that tech.

[@LucasBernardesRosa]

😢 What I expect is for them to just add a "Needs Opo-opo" requirement for Dragon Kick to generate a Fury stack and keep it down low where it is. I have no faith they'll return Dragon Kick to being the hardest hitting GCD you could build a rotatio around.

[@Dharengo]

Bugs need to be fixed. There is no reason for them not to fix it.

[@lightknightgames]

@@Dharengo if you can call it tech, then it's not a bug It's an unintended feature, it's like wavedashing or rocket jumping. It's more fun

[@Dharengo]

@@lightknightgames That's a subjective opinion to have. I never thought wavedashing was fun. And I never though bootdk was fun.

[@axis1247]

​Lol there are plenty of techs are bugs. 90% of all speedrunning tech is based off bugs wtf are you talking about.

[@Jaynae.]

As someone who has literally no idea who monk even works let alone its proper rotation when i play it, i find this video to be fascinating and educational or it could be potentially an eldritch summoning ritual in disguise. Jury’s out on that one tbh Dnc just press button and get mini dopamine boost when next tier of combo procs both feathers and fan 3 :D

[@unixtreme]

Great I only found out after it's changed, I would've leveled my monk just to meme around.

[@PerfectBalanceIsntDead]

It won't be changed until 7.01, so you've got 8 days left to make the most of it

[@Underborn11]

Man as soon as I saw this rotation I didn't know what to think. "Back to the old strange monk rotations." But yea, as soon as this is gone it's their intended unfun rotation. Not that this was much better, but at least it was something else. Optimal Drift, we didn't know how good we had it.

[@Revonlieke]

The thing is the latter part talks about Area-of-effect attacks, not single target moves. Which seemingly hints that they are only going to add fury buff to AoE's and skip dragon kick adjustment. Not like they fixed DK in endwalker either.

[@Earthbroker]

Endwalker monk was good 😭 it just needed some small fixes...

[@Saintlel]

BootDK still was more engaging than healer DPS

[@davidloya4691]

and... ITS GONE

[@fjshdf]

Ah, this is how the ball filler ball drainer Monk died, I saw a video and tried it, but it didn't work right, guess they had gotten it already

[@auroraboracat26]

When dawntrail becomes stormblood 😂

[@iantaakalla8180]

I mean, Dawntrail reeks of being Stormblood save the fact that it cribs from FF9, Shadowbringers, and Endwalker.

[@JamesTheTurnbull]

Dawntrail is literally Stormblood 2. Both in content and story.

[@robin6709]

they butchered monk twice in the span of 2 weeks

[@gantum7997]

First Samurai's Kaiten, now this.... When does the pain stop?

[@captainphoenixjones]

Comical but glad they addressed it.

[@j-omega_3911]

Commenting from an alternate universe where they make it so the opo-opo fury doesn't apply specifically when under the effect of "raptor form", but forget to also exclude "coeurl form", resulting in a horrifying 1-2-1-2-3 loop that lasts exactly 3 days before an emergency monk balance patch memes aside since this was clearly meant as a QOL feature for monks without form shift in level 50 content, it'll be interesting to see if they apply a clever workaround like the above form anti-requirement, or just give up on the idea and make level 50 monks dragon kick twice. maybe we'll get to use Perfect Balance outside of combat the way samurai can with Meikyo Shisui.

[@Dharengo]

...It's an error. It wasn't "meant" as anything.

[@mr.gamingz]

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

[@kieragard]

I think the abbreviation is wrong, it should be called dragon kick BS.

[@gianghuynh9570]

I think this is fun. At least it’s not Anatman server tick opener like 5.0.

[@merrickmorgan6890]

Member that time optimal mnk was press non opo opo gcds as little as possible? I member

[@lucasrfma]

You know a thing that bothers me since last expansion, but I don't know what people think about it bc I don't usually see stuff like this, is that BS about having to use the 3 diff forms to use rising phoenix. What is the point of a cooldown that allows you to break the 1-2-3-1(...) flow and use any form to then have to use one of each form? And in endwalker at least, since we had the buff on 2 and dot on 3, there it could be useful to make small adjustments to reapplying one of those or something (though I still didnt like it), but now with the Fury stacks that doesn't make sense. I think they could change the req for elixir to be opo x3, and phoenix to be coeurl x3 so that you would use it to spend all 3 stacks of coeurl fury in a row, and anything else bring the lame one.

[@lucasrfma]

PS: I was trying out the tech described in the video, and it is much more fun then the "correct" way of playing lol. I hope the "fix" they make to it is just to officialize this way of playing somehow lmao.

[@Atiredproblem]

The point of it is similar to ninja’s mudra. You have free agency to choose the order of your skills instead of flowing 1-2-3. ((Spoiler alert, in EW this meant 1-3-2, refreshing Twin at the end of the burst window where it would be dropping off))

[@lucasrfma]

@@Atiredproblem ninja's mudra is not about choosing order, is about choosing what you want to spend your cooldown on. I would compare muda to samurai that has one ST cd and one AoE cd that share recast timers. The difference is that ninja has like 6+ cds that share that cooldown.

[@Atiredproblem]

@@lucasrfma mudra is precisely the same as Beast Chakra. You end on the mudra for the one you want and the path there doesn’t matter. Failure means a bunny which is a loss of potency. Over to Beast Chakra, where we choose which path we want to take, end on it, and if we fail it we get a bunny with potency attached. Exact same thing fundamentally. Your want for it to be spam one button or spam the other is as unintuitive as the complaint you made.

[@lucasrfma]

@@Atiredproblem I wasnt complaining about beast chakra, I was complaining about the beast chakra definitions (either all 3 uses of PB in a single form, or all different forms), and said I would prefer if it was different than that (eg: all opo opo vs all coeurl). Simply because I don't like that PB allows you to ignore the forms, but then you do basically the same as not ignoring the forms when you use phoenix. I also acknowledge in my initial post that it could still be somewhat useful for small adjustments in EW, such as the one you mentioned in your response, but with the new system replacing the buff+dot not even that happens.

[@xde_]

Started in 5.4, so I don’t know the GL days but monk has been my main since then. In 7.0 I dropped it because the changes didn’t seem fun to play. Tried viper but it’s kinda dull?? to me at least so I’m gonna ninja for the moment. Rip 6.x monk, demolish and twin snakes buff, also double solar and optimal drift. Hopefully all the funny things like 3 blitz and dk spam near kill time still remain (idk I’m not caught up with monk meta optimization things). Seeing bootdk, opo spam before 86, and single target weaponskills being optimal at 3 enemies become a thing though is really funny though even if the days are numbered

[@AsuraAnimosity]

I've mained monk since the beginning of my time playing this game, but CBU III really killed my enjoyment on MNK rotation. I really do not want to play this job anymore. Sad days...

[@rappytap]

Is it just me or do they not know how to stop constantly reworking Monk ?

[@Dharengo]

It's a bugfix, not a rework.

[@rappytap]

@@Dharengo Shhh.....let me be funny. :(

[@MsPysoul]

oppo balls with live forever

[@Naoto-kun1085]

I understood absolutely not a single word of this, which is why i cant play monk 😅

[@javi7636]

Oh damn, as a brand new monk (level 54) I thought that was intentional. I've been enjoying it. 😂 So if DK after the PB combo is banned/suboptimal at level 50, what do you do instead? Just restart your combo sequence with an unpowered Bootshine? It seems weird to me that attacks with PB don't give a stance change, because without DK you're awkwardly left with no stance after every PB.

[@IrisBlaire]

You'd still DK when you dont have an opo fury, just instead of it being boot->dk->raptor->coeurl, It'll go back to being dk->raptor->coeurl->boot->raptor->coeurl. So just one every 3 gcds instead of being back to back. You essentially never want to use unpowered bootshine, so in perfect balance if you start it with boot, youll just have to dragon kick after the blitz instead of during pb.

[@wakazimaru]

I miss GL4. I miss ShB RoE.

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

We still have GL4 unless you mean the aura or something.

[@VideoGamefreak737]

​@@Gillian_FFXIVThey probably miss the upkeep of old GL4

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

@@VideoGamefreak737 Oh yah that's right

[@Iwinfiltrator]

that was the only thing keeping the rotation kind of interesting about DT monk now its pretty much EW monk but with fury replacing demolish dot and TS buff, courel and raptor gcds should get some potency increase to make the job more than about mashing as many opo's as you can

[@nycto5335]

They just don't know what to do with Monk. I like Fire and Wind Reply, the Chakra cap and the direction SSS has taken but this, for example, just makes me think they still have no clue what to do with the job.

[@Dharengo]

People who thought this wouldn't get fixed asap were delusional.

[@SaltedMallows]

You just wanted people to listen to this full song didn't you?

[@rei_nld]

awesome video #pbhard

[@roetemeteor]

On one hand, this was broken and completely stupid. On the other, Generating so much damage you rip aggro off the tank, was hilarious.

[@lowglide]

If only CBU3 spent as much time developing DT's story as they did messing up Monk.

[@eFeXuy]

The more I look into DT the more I realize that it was made by a B team, Yoshi-p not only took Koji-Fox and Soken to work on FF16 but he also poached at least two other lead designers (quests and combat) that worked from 1.0 to EW to work in 16 instead.

[@TuTBoss]

This good or bad ? i just got into ff14 with my first char as a monk lol

[@ekaylor4104]

Its just an optimization tech for monk that won't exist for very long. The fact that you only use 2 combo buttons in your opener is something of a meme that happens from time to time with the job due to number balancing errors. The core rotation of the job is mostly the same and SE's intention for the job that it will likely be returning to.

[@TuTBoss]

@@ekaylor4104 aight

[@nelieltu9730]

Im happy it's gone boring ass rotation what i do miss though is tornado kick monk.

[@c.q.32]

The best Monk ever was; won't be forgotten

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

Preach it.

[@hyperyun2468]

I miss the old 6.0 monk, pure bootshrine dragonkick during perfect balance makes it feel real dumb, no buff and dot make people avoid press twinsnake and demolish. The whole burst rotation is only focus on opoopo form, it's so boring and plain for both burst phase and non-burst phase. Good thing is the optimal drift can still be done. It's not about how much damage u can do, it's literally no fun playing the new monk, hope they figure something out before the savage patch. btw great video, have been watch ur video and guide since 2021, always professional and great quality content. GIVE ME THE OLD MONK, NOW!

[@liviealamode]

i agree that endwalker monk was more fun to play, but (outside of the unintended rotation mentioned in the video) you still want to use twin snakes and demolish, since they make your other gcds do more damage. plus opo opo has always been the higest dps set of gcds, at least since endwalker, but you still want to incorporate a solar nadi in to one of your perfect balances in order to access phantom rush. again, still wish they would go back to 6.0 monk since i enjoyed the juggling of the dot/buff and the skill expression it enabled, not to mention using dk>dk>sss before the end of a fight for the extra damage, but it seems very unlikely that it will be reverted at this point. black mage has had MUCH more pushback, and it seems like they arent going to do much to change that except change potencies and make umbral soul really low level

[@ThisIsOurParadise]

@@liviealamodethe old solar nadi was at least interesting as it gave a lot of freedom in how you reapply the ts/demo timers, now it’s just “press three buttons”

[@axis1247]

​@@ThisIsOurParadiseIt was always just press 3 buttons unless you were intentionally drifting your gcds

[@maxvieira2595]

I will miss EW monk, will stick with gunbreaker / ninja until they make up their minds about the job.

[@damir_van_kalaz]

AST mains: "First time?"

[@ubermaster1]

@@damir_van_kalaz I feel so bad for AST mains, every expansion is a fight for their sanity.

[@Nodnarb59]

​​@@damir_van_kalaz MNK: nah we've been around longer and reworked every patch and expansion besides EW patches.

[@SaveMeXenu]

@@Nodnarb59 Yes. And the reason that happens is because Monks endlessly complain about their job. They are the most impossible to please players.

[@Atiredproblem]

We don’t complain. We adapt to our cursed lifestyle until the next three patches come along and shuffle it up again.

[@desaranfenrir9295]

You will not be missed. Just give me a normal rotation, please.

[@kumoko3728]

ok go play reaper or viper then

[@Darksora79]

@@kumoko3728Womp Womp

[@xL0stKIlah]

Dude get good

[@Cherryblossoms110]

when has monk ever had a normal rotation even last expansion the "normal rotation" needed you to have high FPS or use third party tools...

[@ThisIsOurParadise]

@@Cherryblossoms110it didn’t require either of those lol

[@ShakeyMac18]

I'm reminded of their hamfisted removal of Kaiten on SAM. With the removal of that potency gain on Midare, the value of the Kasha and Gekko combos plummeted in favor of spamming Yukikaze to generate Kenki and then just eating the Setsu Sen via Hagakure, then dumping all of your Kenki in Shinten. It wasn't *better* than the "correct" SAM rotation, but it was like 98% as good and involved far less work. You still used Midare while Meikyo was available, but outside of those 2+2 uses every two minutes (Midare+Tsubame) and your Ogi Namikiri/Kaeshi Namikiri GCD's, your entire rotation was Hakaze+Yukikaze fueling Shinten spam. With a 2.0 GCD this meant you had 6 GCD's out of 60 in a two minute period that weren't Hakaze+Yuki, and your damage was still competitive. Absolutely mind boggling to see them drop the ball again.

[@IratheHayes]

I'm kinda glad this is getting removed because the animation for the new bootshine is so bad and it looks so weird seeing your character do a smash bros air combo 3 times in succession. I hope we can triple tiger spam in the future 😭

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Didn't they say they are fixing this?

[@Darksora79]

That’s the point of the whole video

[@damir_van_kalaz]

You're the reason the latest MSQ has flashbacks every 5 seconds and makes the NPCs point out obvious things in their dialogue.

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

@@damir_van_kalaz💀💀💀

[@FoxNightDream]

I don't know anymore man. Atleast the fights are fun so I can distract myself from the sh*tshow that is this class every patch.

[@swiftxrt]

holy fuck is that ever complicated. thank god I switched from MNK to SCH in early game. I got one damage button to press.

[@SaveMeXenu]

You... Think that's complicated? It's literally pressing 4 buttons in sequence over again. Like the least complicated DPS rotation, and the rotations aren't even very complicated to begin with.

[@Ducksquare]

mnk will be smn levels of rotation and u mfs will still call it complicated

[@swiftxrt]

@@SaveMeXenu ok calm down cupcake. learn how to take a joke

[@swiftxrt]

@@Ducksquare wow some1 got butthurt lmao

[@Ducksquare]

@stevesaitz1706 are u mad stevie boy that you're bad at a video game

[@MeldinX2]

I think both Ninja and Monk and maybe even Bard, needs a complete rework at this point. They are trying new things and change it every expansion but it's never really works. Compared to the newer jobs it's feel dated in a way.

[@TheSilverwing999]

Why does it sound like you are actually sad about this being removed lol. It sounds so bad to play

[@PKrazorleaf]

This is why i dont play monk ffs

[@pwn3ronetwothree]

This is Wuk's fault smh

[@esko911]

after 8 years... im getting sick of all this crap. . . - _ - i started playing WoW more and more, and i really hate that game LOL. feels like FFXIV is still in BETA, every 2 seconds all jobs get stuff removed, homogenized, changed

[@furancodensetsu2086]

People complain with every new patch... Play another job...

[@rowlernovel]

you must be really smart

[@Ducksquare]

wow its like a new patch comes with new job changes .... and people don't like those changes

[@ACupOfWarmLatte]

Where TF is the complaint in the video?!?!

[@Franklowry980]

No. I main MNK

[@bobbbyyy]

expert roulette main using 100% of brainpower

[@chexrail]

tfw fun rotations are always made by accident...man the intended rotation that they wanted to create (or half ass attempted to) is just straight boring