Bone Thrower, I had to tell you man. Today I had very close to 30 rolls using this 4/1 - 5/6 from stick left 1 using the Parr Toss. Everybody at the table made Boo-Koo money. I hit the Make Em All but I only had money on the small & tall. Thanks man.
@Mrnozzleman15 жыл бұрын
I set the dice like this for a cruise 5 days with the bonus. I hit the small 3 times and 7 out and hit the tall 4 times 7 out... But I hit the make them all 2 times epic rolls in between.....huge fan ty B.T.
@waylonswaycraps3 жыл бұрын
I like the 4-1 5-6 set! I have thrown 30 to 40 times with no 7 using this set! I think it's a little better than the hard way set!
@jeffwills43424 жыл бұрын
Man I hit a 5-5-5 make em all , using your bouncy table 1-5, 1-3 set . Every time I was on the dice I had 15 plus rolls! Pressed a 9 5 times as well off a $10 initial bet. Killer roll!!!
@ramelhagins66983 ай бұрын
I like the 1-5 set.
@sirlaw2930 Жыл бұрын
I started out a few years back learning craps watching you. I went off and watched a lot of the other guys since then. I'm back and you are the king dice man in my opinion. I'm studying this video. I understand more about the dice now and hope I can find some success. I wish you were my neighbor.
@36FullPressCraps5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best dice set is... the one that matches best to your individual throw and style. I can mimic to the best of my ability to match someone else throw but it will be limited to my body. So again, match to your throwing style!!! Great video BT.
@carpetcowboy585 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I use 3 different sets depending on my position at the table. There are no shortcuts to the learning curve.
@chrisp50025 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I modified BT's 'bouncy table killer' and instead of the all sevens, I throw the 5/6, 5/4. I have only had 1 point 7 out in the last 20 throws. My SOR is usually mid teens. However I can get 5 score hits (working the come out) about 80-90% of the time. Just now starting to increase my bets. Everyone's throw and table surface is different.
@education6543215 жыл бұрын
Chris P yes I like that dice set as well
@chrisp50025 жыл бұрын
@@bonecontroller5292I shoot from the back of the table 5/6. 5/4. See Bone Thrower's 'bouncy table killer' throw (he does it with the all 7s). I do the same throw with the 5/6. 5/4
@amphibdriver15 жыл бұрын
@@chrisp5002 ---> 6/5 5/4 throws more field numbers 2,4, 5, 9,10, 11, 12 numbers than a 6 or an 8 number.
@thomaschapman60725 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video BT. Will be throwing it tonight on my rig. Still having very good success rolling the all 7 set. Thanks again to the dice guru. Your efforts are appreciated more than you can know. BONE THROWER FOEVER.
@victorirving37825 жыл бұрын
I used that set the other day at a local casino and had a monster roll. Thank you B.T.
@daetherbunny Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to report back on this dice set after another successful trip today. This time I started with $34 inside and $5 on the pass line with $10 in odds on a point of 5. I rolled 59 times on the RTW table and cashed out at $1914.50! Thanks again for the tips Bone Thrower!
@PAPAQUIS15 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, been watching for about 6weeks. Took 250$ to the casino and won 1000dollars playing the hard way set across
@daetherbunny Жыл бұрын
I just walked out of my local casino setting the dice like this on a RTW table and rolled 40 times! I turned my $66 inside bet into $572 and cashed out. Subscribing!
@Docholladay0075 жыл бұрын
I tried 5/6 2/3 and I was able to throw a lot of inside numbers with it and I ended up throwing 15-20 throws .made about 500 dollars on a 100 the last week end when I went to the Casino
@icesickleyt1593 жыл бұрын
You can "Rockwell test" the dice for hardness. Any machine shop should be able to help with this. I don't believe adding more pigment would change the weight or hardness of the dice, usually a different type of plastic material is used to change hardness ur brittleness.
@davidjones5445 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insight. I took the dice set and took three practice rolls. Lowest SOR was 14, Best was 25.. I've been struggling to hit 10, so this has me very excited about the possibilities. I need to practice a little more then I just have to try it at the casino to see if there is a difference.
@michaelbailey9955 жыл бұрын
I have had success with this as well in practice, I will continue to practice and determine a median SOR. That being said pulling down your bets after a certain number of wins will definitely increase your take home wins
@1dascola5 жыл бұрын
I have been practicing with this new dice set (The Greatest Dice Set) 4/1 5/6 Played/ / Throw it here in Vegas at the Freemount. Through 24 times and won an award. Thankyou Professor Bone Thrower! By the way I used a toss with spin throw just like the Dominator. It works and Im several $hundreds of dollars up!
@mudslidemac96135 жыл бұрын
Excellent expectation of placing a 6/1 on the set faces. The modern master at work. Thanks again for your outstanding videos.
@thecheese23865 жыл бұрын
Wow, I tried it on my practice table and my SOR went up 2 rolls!!! Tried the Yuir and it worked! LZ for my Yuri is 3 inches from the wall. Will be trying it out on Saturday!!! Thank you very much!
@bluehunnid97123 жыл бұрын
How did it go?
@timdixon1640 Жыл бұрын
Interesting thoughts on the color of the dice. I bought different colors about the first of the month. I used a red and a yellow one. Where I can tell which die goes which way. Since then, seems like all I can roll is a seven. Lots of point seven out. On the paper that I keep my rolls, I seem to be rolling a seven averaging about ten to twelve sevens every 30 to 36 rolls. No strategy can help that. Thanks for the tip. I will try my blue ones in the morning and see if that helps. Once again, thanks! Tim D
@allphasemobility54965 жыл бұрын
It’s called a durometer for testing the hardness of rubber and it would probably work on the plastic dice if we knew someone that could test for us? Good luck and keep us going! Thanks.
@jaymus9469 ай бұрын
I have a practice table at home, and i was throwing with 2s up and snake eyes on the left. I did hit the alls with it a couple of times at the casinos but it’s been cold for me lately. I practiced at home with 2s up and hard 8 on the left , and at home when super focus and same release and whatnot i rolled 42 times before i hit a 7. Im excited to try it out at the casinos soon.
@johnhouldsworth30335 жыл бұрын
Love your site man, lots of good stuff for every stage of craps player. Hope to play at the same table one day👍
@MrCoffeeDrink3r5 жыл бұрын
what did you just showed us the GUN SLING'ER. Awesome Cant wait to try it. And Once again thank you for helping us out with the game of craps.
@bluehunnid97123 жыл бұрын
Try the holy grail as well
@jmichel705 жыл бұрын
At my casino they switch out the dice from a clear red to a cloudy red and they do not weigh the same. They sell the used dice in the gift shop and i bought multiple sets and weighed them. I have actually seen the pit boss switch out the dice when someone is on a hot roll and they look like they are using dice control. The casino is in Vegas off the strip and is a locals casino. I now practice with both weights and it effects which dice set I use.
@robertwallace59575 жыл бұрын
He's back! Been too long for a video.
@Scotty__5 жыл бұрын
Mark is not making KZbin videos anymore here is where you can find him Become a patreon support mark www.patreon.com/bonethrower/posts
@MarkH105 жыл бұрын
The technical tool you are looking for is a Durometer. It measures hard structures.
@kkodalton22754 жыл бұрын
To test hardness. Bounce them on the counter top or cement and listen the higher the pitch the harder the dice.plastic really varys from structural then to high impact high impact will bounce just like a rubber ball.
@boxcaryo5 жыл бұрын
Don't know if I just missed the "Gunslinger", but I am happy to see it this time! Can't wait to try it out! BT, I discovered "Midwest Game Supply" PO Box 20, Kearney, MO 64060. I have been purchasing dice from them recently. Out of the foil package, the blue, red, and green dice all weigh, 8.9 grams. I order "Certified, Flush Spot, Razor Edge, Polished." So far I have been pleased with their product. Thanks for the 4/1, 5/6 vid. Also looking forward to its results.
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
I didn't know they sold to the public.
@mattstevens70715 жыл бұрын
@@bonethrower1957 They usually don't unless they have extra supply on hand. I ordered some from the sales rep over there Sammy Green 816-628-2299. There's a minimum order too. Paid 121 bucks included delivery for 5 sticks. I don't think it's necessarily worth it.
@boxcaryo5 жыл бұрын
@@bonethrower1957 I also live near the city that you do. Do to sleep problems I am not a "morning person." What time should I plan to be at the city's casinos to be able to play craps by myself, or at less with only one or two other players?
@889bigdave9 ай бұрын
@@boxcaryo4 in the morning lol
@dennywhite21784 жыл бұрын
Just looked it up - can test hardness with a Shore hardness gauge using scale 'D' to test durometer level
@crapschamp99865 жыл бұрын
You can test the hardness . I worked at a machine shop and they would certify metal for the hardness call around and ask the one I know is bitzer next to hinze hospital it puts a dimple in the part .
@johnhouldsworth30334 жыл бұрын
Throwing dice is a lot like putting in golf. A great putter knows as soon as the club hits the put if he’s made a great put. That’s why you will see Tiger Woods take his hat off when the ball is still 4 feet from the hole. I changed my putting grip and have more success. I recently changed my chaps throw from side to side to front to back and it seems to make a difference for me. Wish I had the facilities and time to practice. That’s what makes a great and confident putter and dice thrower.
@johnhouldsworth30334 жыл бұрын
And a great dice thrower knows as soon as the dice leave his fingertips if he has make a great throw. They don’t all go in, but there is still satisfaction with the perfect throw or perfect put.
@michaelmarek75765 жыл бұрын
Just tried this again... Much better with the "Gunslinger".. just finished a 25... Great video... Still needs work before we hit the casino...
@chiefpeep42615 жыл бұрын
The legend lives! Nice vid BT
@crapsplayer5 жыл бұрын
OH YEA!!!! BT Time Baby!! Get the popcorn and start taking notes. TY TY TY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dennywhite21784 жыл бұрын
Hey Bone Thrower you can test your suspicion with a durameter gauge that is used to test the hardness of plastics
@christakamatsu93045 жыл бұрын
To measure the hardness of the dice, you need a durometer. Thank you for posting your videos!
@jonec64965 жыл бұрын
great to see you back!!!
@tonysorisio70735 жыл бұрын
thanks for the new info . I was always a believer in R/R and on a team yrs ago . lets see what comes Tony
@spiderfly96845 жыл бұрын
Dice weight at casinos are 19 some use 17 based off of how color is added.
@allphasemobility54965 жыл бұрын
Ok, my short game will now consist of the three numbers I can hit for fifty or a hundred and then get out! 8,9and 10. That way I can keep playing tin I get a bonus? I can’t practice enough to get a larger group of numbers so I will take what I can get and throw in the foundation of this game, your short game. I don’t have to be good, just consistent with a few numbers using the 4/5 and 5/4 set. Thanks🙏
@superlitepilot55065 жыл бұрын
I just threw this set for the first time this morning and won with it. I threw more 6’s and 8’s with this then any others set. I also threw the tall twice in 4 attempts.
@chenryrex5 жыл бұрын
You're, sort of, on track but, what they're doing now, is adding an extra layer of flannel, under a micro-fiber table cover, instead of using felt, to give the dice an extra bounce..
@robertparrott66755 жыл бұрын
Very interesting keep up the good work I've noticed a difference in my throw at home compared to my thorws at casinos. You may have just solve my problem. Thanks BT
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
It work for me. My game got so much better at the casinos.
@robertparrott66755 жыл бұрын
Hey BT what dice set do u mostly use at the casino.
@gregeasson36145 жыл бұрын
Nice video, funny, me and a friend were just talking last night what we consider the best set is and here is a video on it. LOL , I'm going to try that grip tonight at the practice table.
@beltfedhate5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bones! Love the videos good sir.
@genek21823 жыл бұрын
Its about the table surface more than the dice, bouncy vs hard surface.
@oldgoat5010 ай бұрын
Saw The Big Town movie last night. A must see if a Arm.😊
@chrisguffey38115 жыл бұрын
So far my favorite is 4/2 4/6. The double set second favorite. Finally the all seven set for come out roll. I have to try this set
@alexrosado66514 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I can subscribe to the hardness of dice really being a factor. The dice arent losing shape and reforming in micro seconds against that surface. That said, I do believe that casinos will tighten or loosen their felt and change the foam or material at toss points with fair freqency to throw off, well throws and dice sets. That's my conspiracy theory anyway. Ive thrown the "same" dice at different tables in the same casino and the bounce and action varied quite a bit. And yes, each time I played right of stick man.
@hanksylvan5094 жыл бұрын
I’m now using the Yuri grip on stick left and right, can you have some dice sets that work with this grip on a hard surface
@gregvernon76725 жыл бұрын
I started throwing this one about a month ago except I do 6514 with the 6-1 on top seems to work good for my throw I'll try it on the sides now too. Can't wait to try it in Biloxi next trip
@johnrobins26955 жыл бұрын
Greg Vernon when you going? I also gamble in Biloxi as well
@Jessicasmith-il3nd3 жыл бұрын
Me too I play there
@timgill79665 жыл бұрын
Would you do video on inline all 11 and 3 on your new table cover I would like to see the landing area on bouncy side thanks
@MrRckstdy775 жыл бұрын
I live in California. I was wondering if I can set dice while playing California craps? Maybe if I set dice in accordance with the 6/1 dice set. Doing this by using whatever playing cards represent the 6 and 1 facing me and with the 4 and 5 cards represented on top of my dice. Will this throw work? And adjusting every time they shuffle the deck.
@cory54345 жыл бұрын
Great info something new for me to try. At this point now I’m just not sure if I’m a dice thrower. I’m all over the place one dice pitching to both pitching to both staying on axis. I can’t seem to get it right. Anyone else on here try the tables out in Tulsa yet ? Thanks BT I’m ready for the next vid
@michaelmarek75765 жыл бұрын
Still working on this set... So far I'm only getting 4-7 SOR...most 7's are 3 4.. Next will try to adjust.
@mysticsmoke835 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video BT. May I ask where the landing zone would be for this throw with euro back rotation
@carlcolvin832011 ай бұрын
The 6/2 2/1 has worked good for me.
@healthsignalllc34565 жыл бұрын
Awesome topic!
@dackmanbtjr50305 жыл бұрын
BT, Humm, I am another one who is seeing the gun slinger grip for the first time, I am interested in more content and instruction about it though BT, since you have let the grip out of the shadows sort of speaking, what is the rest of the story about this unique grip? As always your on the cutting edge Brother.
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
If you want to know more. About the gunslinger and zero probability throwing. You have to sign up to Patreon to see this stuff and more.
@dackmanbtjr50305 жыл бұрын
@@bonethrower1957 yes BT, your worth anything you would ask for, but per the email I sent you, I will do it as soon as I can, take care friend. And this is the first I have heard you mention a seperate video channel.
@dackmanbtjr50305 жыл бұрын
@@bonethrower1957 here is something to chew on BT, the 56/41 set, index and thumb set it up in a yuri grip, middle finger and index die is flat, or the flesh is in the surface of the dice, this grip just feels right the way I am trying to decribe it, I have always had to make the grip and throw my own version to make it feel right, cant wait to take it to the table and dominate. Try it brother and give me your feed back sir, appreciate you BT., this version is a modified gun slinger bro, trailing dice is set up in a yuri grip, set is thrown up right like you showed us in this video. I sent you an email with a picture bro.
@tripswithwife89165 жыл бұрын
God dam I’ve missed you
@edwinromero58964 жыл бұрын
How do you throw the perfect dice set?
@Bizeguy4 жыл бұрын
Y'all I gotta say...this is the BEST dice set!!! PRACTICE!!! play short game!
@cross_country_gambler5 жыл бұрын
Why not just buy the dice they sell at the casino gift shop. they always claim that these were actual dice in play what's your opinion on
@jrevrev9589115 жыл бұрын
Question: When I practice throwing the gunslinger. My front dice seems to rotate faster than the back dice. Should the rotations be the same? I also find myself concentrating more on keeping the back dice on axis. I LOVE THE GUNSLINGER!!!!!
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
No. The back dice is a lame duck. It's a trailing dice. only be concerned with the front dice placing it in the landing zone.
@charlesjackson34336 ай бұрын
What did you mean when you said that the 7's could be moved around if they are not working? With this dice set if sixes or ones don't show on top does that mean that the dice set is not working ?
@stevecox23245 жыл бұрын
I noticed at a casino I frequent there was a light under the felt that was barely visible to the right of the box man and dice were pushed to this area regularly by the stick man ??
@MarkH105 жыл бұрын
Load checking The house wanted to make sure no foreign cheating dice are switching in. Also remember Surveillance gas a wider set of inspection tools than the crew. They may have a spectrums analysis occur when that happens.
@kevinwilson62702 жыл бұрын
Throwing this in 30 mins will give an update in a couple hours
@daetherbunny Жыл бұрын
11…months…later…
@MisterMechanicV5 жыл бұрын
If you know that you can make the dice not land exactly as thrown, like you're claiming. Then the all 7 set is hands down the best set you could possibly use. Because the only possibility for a 7 is if both dice travel exactly the same.
@JamesJohnson-bp8jp5 жыл бұрын
I have been throwing 17 to 22 on average with this set. had to go to 4/1 2/6. I still get a three and out once in a while. Yuri grip, 2 in out from wall. If I crash the wall, guaranteed 7
@MOREBEATSTV5 жыл бұрын
I throw the 2/3 2/1 and 2/3 2/6 ...I can't throw the 3V for some reason. I'll try this 6-1 set to see what I come up with.
@larrygaryaargh5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't throw the 3V set for the longest, but here lately if I'm straight out on the table, I can give it a 3 finger grip, launch from the table, straight up and just kind of drop them at the other end of the table, that seems to work. Try it on your rig or table first before going to the casino, no spin, just dropping just 2 inches from the back wall.
@MOREBEATSTV5 жыл бұрын
@@larrygaryaargh when my point is 6 or 8 I switch to it but no more than a few rolls. I'm scared of it lol. I'm using 3 finger grip with backward rotation
@markharris90402 жыл бұрын
A durometer will measure the hardness of rubber so it should be able to measure the difference on the dice. Sorry I no longer have access to one.
@djbthunder5 жыл бұрын
When did the video come out with the gunslinger shot?? I never seen it
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
It only on Patreon
@timothybourque4985 жыл бұрын
@@bonethrower1957 what is Patreon??
@sledgenail-it42695 жыл бұрын
Outstanding, once again BT. The Zero Throw Probability video did not load up. Can you post it again? Great Stuff!
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
It got block by KZbin
@sledgenail-it42695 жыл бұрын
KZbin said it got blocked by copyright grounds. Maybe modify it or eliminate the copyright issue.
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The last song
@sledgenail-it42695 жыл бұрын
Hey, mute the sound of the song. We will understand.
@marioramirez80915 жыл бұрын
I’m going to try it tomorrow night at the Luxor.
@paulmarkwell4663 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s more about the throw
@charlesjackson34335 ай бұрын
Bone thrower, What do you think about using this dice set when throwing from straight out from the end of the table ?
@sledgenail-it42695 жыл бұрын
Bone Thrower, you doing any more videos?
@Sam-fy2ez5 жыл бұрын
BT can you make the same video that got blocked so we can see it
@Stephensonjack12177 ай бұрын
Great set
@roncm89945 жыл бұрын
I used to do alright using the hard way set but last few years that no longer works for me. I think the tables in the casino I go to are different now. I also tried some of the sets you have shown and nothing worked. I will admit that I'm no pro LOL. Then last week I tried this set using the yuri grip, first time ever and I did great. I played two games and in both I kept repeating the 4 and the 10 mainly. I was at a $10 table so I used minimum bets ($64 across) plus I did not press since I was just testing it out. It was just me and 2 other guys at the table and they both seven out in less than 4 throws. After two games which I walked away with $300 winnings. Dam it felt great. Going to try it again this week to see how it goes.
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it. But if you want to be successful next time out. And be consistent weekend and week out. You have to memorize what you're doing as far as your mechanics go in your throw when you're successful and learn how to repeat that throw over and over again to the tee. You can't just throw the dice not knowing what you're doing. Good luck.
@Ringo40k5 жыл бұрын
Heya BT, what isnyour opinion on practicing with retired dice from the casino you go to. I live in Las Vegas and they are easy to come by, just asking what your view is.
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
As long as they don't have hole drill in them. Or stamped. That should be fine.
@rvthereyet12345 жыл бұрын
try the yuri underhanded from SL1 or SR1
@artsakakihara55192 жыл бұрын
The variable is the felt.and under padding. Example silverton vs a station casino or Wynn vs Tropicana. I understand the point of density on the dice theory, Buuuuut that can be up one or down one in relation to the pad vs dice density. Just like skateboard wheels. Hahaha
@66dmm3 жыл бұрын
BT, What spot or position is best on this dice set? Thank you
@JIMSZILVA5 жыл бұрын
Can you use this set with the stairway to heaven? If so, which one goes on top? Thx
@BubbleCrapsChallenge5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to more videos.
@dougiedotcom5 жыл бұрын
U should try to weigh one dice🎲. 🎲🎲 Not two. instead of both maybe one die because what if the make one heavier if u understand me
@davidfox7175 жыл бұрын
Thanks bone master!! The grasshopper
@rogerl84885 ай бұрын
So have the 6/1 facing?
@brianjohnson43015 жыл бұрын
Where are you getting your dice now?
@MindKontrolleProject3 жыл бұрын
The game moves so fast. Is there a quick way to "set dice" without it being noticed?
@qt16222 жыл бұрын
Practice is the only way. My go to set is cross sixes I practiced setting them, until it’s almost natural.
@DanielDiaz115 жыл бұрын
Why did you remove the Zero Probably video?
@JohnDoe-wg9rl2 жыл бұрын
The greatest set is still ineffective if the person throwing the dice doesn't know how to do so correctly.
@littlejimmy16365 жыл бұрын
Thanks B T.
@crapsplayer5 жыл бұрын
Am I wrong??? is this the first time he has shown the Mythic Gunslinger????
@crapsplayer5 жыл бұрын
@@jaimegarcia7922 WOW! TY!
@djbthunder5 жыл бұрын
@@jaimegarcia7922 it must be effective. Thanks we need to take advantage of it here before the rest of the US catches on
@romehernandez37505 жыл бұрын
What happened to the other video??
@bonethrower19575 жыл бұрын
KZbin Block it for copy right infringement.
@topchoice325 жыл бұрын
Bone it's not the dice it's the table and material they use
@gregmyers18645 жыл бұрын
Zero probability YT blocked because of audio content
@TigerCraps5 жыл бұрын
Bam. Pow. Robin says Holy Grail 'B'a'T'man. I see ya Bone Thrower. Nice.
@dougiedotcom5 жыл бұрын
Lol u should have put it as greatest dice set for the skilled advanced shooter
@thespanish21god863 жыл бұрын
There is nothing CLAIMING to have the so-called " BEST " throwing technique but in order for us to BELIEVE what you are saying then you HAVE to PROVE it!!!! So here is what I am saying: I appreciate the lecture and the demonstration BUT I WOULD like to see how you ACTUALLY DO with your technique and dice set and where you actually throw from by actually FILMING your throws to DEMONSTRATE it's EFFICACY!!! So in other words, what I am saying is that I would like to see you do at LEAST 20-30 throws 5 times to see how often out of your throws it takes you to seven-out!!! I have heard and read that the average person takes about 6. something throws or is it 6.23 throws before someone throws a 7 so if it takes you at least 11+ throws before you throw a 7, then you are doing fairly well and if it's 15+, then you are doing VERY WELL with your technique. And as SOON as you seven-out, go to the next set of 30 throws, etc... So I would suggest you make a video demonstrating your technique AND dice set for 30 throws - and do this 5 times for the whole video for a total of 150 throws - to see how you actually do and you can do this by setting up 2 cameras - 1 showing your technique and the other at the end of the table with a CLEAR view that will show the completed outcome of your resulting throws and a split screen of this so we can ALL see if your technique and dice set is as good as you say it is since you have ALL the necessary equipment as seen on this video - the craps table, chips, dice, stick, etc... OR if you DON'T have 2 cameras for that purpose, have either one of your family members or one of your good friends film it with the one camera you have and have them follow your every move from the throw to the final result at the other end of the table! So PLEASE do this for us as your PROOF because we NEED to see if what you are saying and demonstrating has any validity!!!!