The First Age of Middle Earth | w. Girl next Gondor | Livestream

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

I really wish we could have more of these with the two of them. This is awesome.

[@lasgalon]

Honestly only watching because girl next gondor is guesting really hope she gets a bump in followers from this she deserves more subs

[@thebrotherskrynn]

I'm glad my question got asked, and the dog is truly awesome Robert. I really like that my question got picked up, both stories (Beren & Luthien and Fall of Gondolin) are great :) !

[@tominiowa2513]

I wonder if Farmer Maggot's dogs are descended from Huan?

[@thebrotherskrynn]

@@tominiowa2513 Very likely, I like to imagine that they are! That Huan is the source of all dogs, and that his children remember the loyalty and love he shared with both Beren and Luthien, and that humanity and Elves remembered in turn the great loyalty on some level of Huan, and that this is why folks in Middle-Earth tame canines and keep them close.

[@bunsofthunder9827]

I can listen to you forever bud!

[@kirandeepchakraborty7921]

Both are very well-read and the detailed account of events was awesome.

[@johnt.inscrutable1545]

Actually I think it was specific that Eru did the change in that the verbiage is that when Ar-Pharazoan set foot on Aman “the Valar laid down their guardianship of Arda” thus leaving it to Eru to directly express his will.

[@tominiowa2513]

The idea of weapons made from meteoric metal comes not from any fiction but from real pre-historic artifacts.

[@samuelleask1132]

Great guests you’ve been having recently, Robert!

[@rursus8354]

Gimli: _"How old are you?"_ Galadriel: _"Let me see ..._ [counting on fingers] _... I'm 7634 years old"._ That's history.

[@TheDeadlyKnight]

lol, GirlNextGondor: "My favorite Vala is Melkor..." The Bauglir would be very pleased

[@tominiowa2513]

When the Valar were young and attending world building school, Manwë sat in the front row and brought Eru an apple each day, while Melkor sat in the back row using his text book to hide the pictures he was drawing. 😉

[@Crafty_Spirit]

The only thing that deems the Silmarillion as a tragedy is that Morgoth fails eventually :'-(

[@TheDeadlyKnight]

@@Crafty_Spirit hehe….Much like many ppl say that Thanos is the hero of Infinity War/End Game, u say Melkor is the protagonist of the Music’s Theme.

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

"Houses of Gondolin" sounds like it would be an epic show!!! i would have to say out of every fictional city i have ever read about this is the one i love the most!!! I wish this city had a far deeper history written about it because just looking at it in pictures - its breathtaking!!! All of the pictures are from so far, and I've seen them so many times i feel like i have almost been there so many times but have never made it even though i have read "Fall of Gondolin!!!"

[@rursus8354]

Hobbits must have appeared latest in the late Second Age, Gollum picks up the Ring a few years after the attack on Isildur's company at the Gladden Fields. Gollum had a grandma, and her whole clan lived in a collective near the Gladden Fields. It is unreasonable to believe that some humans was suddenly shrunk to half the standard size in a few generations, so there must have existed hobbits in the area some hundred of years before the end of the Second Age. They migrated westwards when the Mirkwood started to get shadowy and dark, and that was about 1150 in the Third Age, though.

[@johnt.inscrutable1545]

Gollum picks up the ring that Isildur lost about 2500 years after he lost it. Then Gollum held it for about 500 years.

[@kramhorse]

Yeah it was about 2,500 years after Isildur's death. Also, you don't need to force hobbits into the story of the second age even if they probably could have existed.

[@LeHobbitFan]

Also, the thought of Finrod fangirling over Hobbits is the kind of wholesome I live for! (around 1:38:40)

[@Valdagast]

With regard to Ungoliant and why Shelob isn't as powerful - this is a common theme in Tolkien. The world is getting less fantastical, less magical and less powerful.

[@C-Rocks]

I wish we could see the speaker

[@charlesjones5414]

Robert, I think we are really desperately in need of an in depth analysis of the story the Children of Hurin, and how it was interwoven with and inexorably linked with the final downfall of the elves in the First Age. One of the best single storylines in all of the Silmarillion and hands down the most tragic. Hurin, Morwen, Turin Turambar..the best and worst of the race of Men all in one.

[@jimbombadill]

Think the valar stod off in the first age because they almost destroyed arda first war with Morgoth and basicly sunk a whole land when they finaly stepped in.

[@Sprayber]

They just kind of skip over that whole major detail when they talk of the Valar. It's presented as a matter of the Valar choosing to abandon the children when their direct involvement leads to destruction on a vast scale. They also miss is that no one knows what Ilúvatars direction may have been.

[@yellowrose0910]

Almost like in the Cold War where the Superpowers couldn't directly fight because that would leave inconceivable destruction so they had their Proxy Wars through third parties.

[@mattias2576]

ahhh, this is perfect for studying! thank you

[@caveben]

Can't wait to watch later. Great subject.

[@LeHobbitFan]

I had to go to sleep mid-stream >_< Thanks for the great time either way! ^^

[@Djynni]

The different "groups" (kindred) of elves: they all started as one group in Middle Earth when they first appeared. It's what they decided to do after that which divided them into the different groups.

[@hydradominatus3641]

This 3 hour convo felt like 1 hour. Excellent stuff. Also Ecthelion > Glorfindel.

[@ryanratchford2530]

It is weird that Ectheliin is only mentioned for like 1 sentence but kills such an important. Gothmog was far more significant than Sauron in terms of deeds (even tho we’re told Sauron is Morgoth’s greatest servant-we’re shown Gothmog & Glaurong to be far more fearsome foes. I can’t imagine Huan beating Gothmog or Glaurong in a fight

[@differous01]

2:05:20 Elves and men migrate West in the manner of Edith and J.R.R's faiths at birth (before his Luthien gave up her immortality): perhaps the dwarves, having a different genesis, and those men who became Easterlings, were not East of their Eden.

[@Djynni]

The sword Anglachel: This is what happens when you foolishly leave cursed weapons lying around instead of destroying them.

[@IanHeins]

Nice work thanks

[@mimimarie7968]

Andreth and Aegnor are my favorite couple 😍

[@michaelsavage7884]

Deep Geek do a video on Morgoth and his armies of Orcs.

[@rationaltrekker2509]

Valinor is removed from "the circles" of this world - so I think your analysis is correct.

[@kramhorse]

I think just maybe that Ungoliant was meant to be Melkor's mate the way Varda is Manwe's. That would give symmetry to the number of the Valar. 16 instead of 15. But...reasons. Just my passing theory

[@Enerdhil]

Theoretically the Palantir that Sauron used is in the rubble of Barad Dur. I wonder if King Elessar ever had it dug out.....

[@bettinanielsen6336]

Funny thing about Wheel of Time. I tried. I really did. Over and over again. Never made it past book 2. Sooo. Wel then, someone said try Malazan Book og the Fallen. Really tough read, they said-. And I love it. This is also a very challenging read. But the pay-off is outstanding I have laughed and sobbed - it is SO good. Imo leaps and bounds above Wheel of Time. I wish they had made these books into a TV show instead. Sorry guys.

[@maegliinvalantor6441]

I personally think it just means Tolkien read lovecraft but would never admits, that and the nameless things. But she presents a big problem for Tolkien because she seems to be outside the plans of illuvatar, and if so that would conflict with his real world religious beliefs

[@jerrodsnook7905]

Did you say that Glorfindel is not as strong as Elrond?

[@Enerdhil]

If Ulmo had not turned Elwing into a bird and if Elwing had not flown to Earendil, would Earendil have been able to navigate through the Enchanted Isles to Aman? Also, I think Ulmo must have known that Elwing would jump off the cliff because he was right there ready to transform her into a bird.

[@eastvandb]

Canadian Geese are definitely from Morgoth!

[@wolfpack1696]

Ancalagon the black vs, Gothmog,,,who would win?

[@thebrotherskrynn]

The former I think though good question!

[@Enerdhil]

It is interesting to think that Haleth's moving her people to the Forest of Brethil set the stage for what would happen to Turin much later. Had she decided to stay in Thargelion and no men ever lived in Brethil, how would Turin's story have changed? Would Turin have tried to kill Glaurung, if the people were not in danger? Maybe someone can try a what-if video on that question.

[@jimbombadill]

Wonder if Aragorn asked Elrond for beermoney when he was going to Bree....

[@tominiowa2513]

In a related question, did Manwë send expense money to the Istari by eagle?

[@michaelman957]

It's possible Galadriel wanted to stay in Middle Earth because she wanted to help the Elves she'd formed bonds with - like the survivors of Doriath

[@Enerdhil]

"Morgoth did the nasty with Ungoliant." 🤣😆😂🤪 In his dreams.😂😆🤣

[@tominiowa2513]

Well, Shelob's father did. And was likely eaten by Ungoliant afterwards.

[@Enerdhil]

@@tominiowa2513 That's what happens when the arachnid cops aren't around to maintain domestic peace.🕷️

[@iSlack01]

Swan's are mockery of goose then.

[@shinobifirecracker6671]

20 dislikes. What did it serve? It’s not a politics video where a ratio matters. It’s a LOTR stream on a fantasy channel. Like, get fucked petty humans. The kindest, most thorough and thoughtful dude breaking down our favorite stories. Thank you for your service, Robert

[@oudviola]

Fun stuff thanks! Maybe I missed it, but what about the green gem that Arwen gave to Elanor? Is that yet another Elessar? That gets discussed somewhere, I forget where. Also, could Melkor have bred mûmakil from elephants? I always assumed they were mammoths, but real mammoths were not hugely larger than elephants.

[@sayagarapan1686]

She are relly smart

[@hipsterhunter4eva901]

Omg gng and is here

[@Michael_800]

I subscribed, turned on notifications and I still missed it. KZbin failed me once again.

[@FishBoneD14]

Being severely tortured is kind of being forced with maeghlin

[@jimbombadill]

So finally finnished it, listened a bit live but fell asleep. Didnt catch yesterday whom Glorfindel was lot less powerful than...aperently Elrond...i wouldnt agree of that statement. Probably Elrond was more powerful...but alot? Only thing making him more powerful is Tolkiens love of bloodlines and Elrond comes from some powerful ones...BUT Elrond is partly an halfelf and even if his human ancestors are realy mighty they are human, less than elfs...sure he has Melian the maia in there to and some kingly lines of elfs...but Glorfindel has been in the blessed realm...twice...he is from a high house of princes, slayed a balrog was reincarnated, most likly in a higher state, he is sent to middle earth as a vasal of the valar. Im not so sure Elrond is that much more powerful and om quite sure Glorfindel beat Elrond in Combat.

[@Kalimchd]

Completely agree. I had to do a double take too. Glorfindel after he was reembodied was even more powerful and was sent to middle earth to assist. Elrond never saw the trees. Also powerful, but not sure at Glorfindel level.

[@ChancreSaurusRex]

Shippey getting the boot is a sure sign that the Amazon series will be a right mess.

[@Jagrofes]

Who is Shippey?

[@JuicyStuff93]

Please sort the audio out :/

[@rationaltrekker2509]

If orcs had ANY Mayar component, wouldn't they be far more powerful?

[@pinkbunny6272]

There's some corruption of the original form, think like a set of cookies and a radioactive one. It's weird, someone changed the recepie long ago

[@marcusegonson7403]

Morgoth says: GirlnextDoriath is a way cooler name.

[@estel5335]

Is there no one else on Team Mandos?!

[@CarnisianLady]

Mandos sucks.

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG !!!!!

[@emmapeel8163]

i can't. please shorten & upload. (i simply don't have the time)

[@rationaltrekker2509]

Ungolliant - webs of "unlight"

[@NavyMachinistsMate]

How does this have only one comment? Is my KZbin messing up? Lol

[@Tronic21]

it's because all the comments were on the chat right? until the live stream ended?

[@joelkavanagh1464]

,,, ulmo :: ' illuvitARs' lieutenant?! ... " ...

[@Tronic21]

Robert i saw your "naughty face" when she dropped sh#$ in the beginning. a little look at camera

[@kamalmanzukie]

bro you are not supposed to have a face. put that thing away 🙈

[@dcarman686]

Do not want see any gay black elves running around.

[@Aarenby]

Don't think they would be anti cannon though?

[@melanieortiz712]

Three hours long! Oh hell no. 30min to an hour is long enough for any video.

[@kontrebassman]

You never have to watch it in one sitting. ✌️

[@caveben]

It's a stream...

[@macree01]

Why did you even click on the video? You can clearly see the duration in the thumbnail preview.