Independent Trucks Stage 4 Review! Vs. Slappy Trucks & Ace Trucks!

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[@ericcrockett6522]

I haven't skated Slappy's yet, but I have skated ace af1 and Indy stage 4, and I actually prefer the stage 4s, but I started skating in the 80s and it could just be nostalgia.

[@Bubbytoed]

I could definitely see it. They do feel different enough for sure.

[@jamesryan4325]

The Stage 4s are epic, the quick turn is super rad.

[@TheDylonCarter]

I got the slappy inverted. And I love them! I put some bones extra hard bushings cause I'm heavy. But with those bushings it lowers the truck by a few mill. Which was my only complaint about them, the height of the truck. So yea if anybody wants slappy lows, put some bones in em. Great video btw

[@scstinger5]

@dyloncarter2883 I’ve found the same thing with Bones bushings on many trucks, just put a washer under the bottom bushing to make up the difference 🤙

[@anglegrinder4630]

Which bones bushings?and they lower the height?

[@benj6107]

I recently switched to Slappy following a few years on Ace and then previously about 25+ years riding Indy. Honestly, the Slappy is the best truck I've skated. Fast, responsive, no kingpin contact (I have the inverted model) but the biggest improvement for me over Ace is no wheel bite. As for Indy, I think they've completely lost their way with all the newer competition. When I look at their truck range now, it's really confusing (Stage 11, Stage 4, Mid...). In my opinion, if they want to win back business they should design a completely new truck

[@jamesryan4325]

I had the opposite experience. Crazy wheelbite on Slappy trucks. They lean so much before engaging their turn. Also Stage 4s are crazy underrated trucks.

[@fernandoreyes680]

Indy has definitely lost their direction. Ace is the best feeling truck right now imo, but the wheelbite is becoming a bit of a problem. I might need to try the new Lurpivs tho

[@jamesryan4325]

@@fernandoreyes680 Have you tried the Stage 4's. I find the Indy standards unridable after skating Ace and now Stage 4's.

[@fernandoreyes680]

@@jamesryan4325 I’m hesitant to try them. I’ve heard a lot of people say Indys in general don’t last as long since they moved to China. And I don’t really love how they look so idk. I kinda want to try Slappys and Lurpivs first. I’ve been skating Ace for the past 3 years

[@anglegrinder4630]

Idk how they do it but they feel the best(independent),even when you put other bushing in

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

For TKP trucks, Ace AF1s are the best. The company was actually founded by former Indy employee, Joey Tershay after the Indy Stage 9 fiasco(new computer-designed truck geometry) and people started buying all the Indy Stage 4-8s they could get their hands on and now the Ebay price for those trucks is or was around $500/set before the recent Indy Stage 4 reissue. Ace are known for their 'turn-on-a-dime' gemometry, which is just what Indy Stage 9 SHOULD have been, which is why transition riders all favor Ace over Indy, even if they're sponsored by Indy. 😆

[@Hardcorestilllives]

With risers ACE are awesome, buttery turn ❤ but the less wheelbite thing with slappy trucks is perfect.

[@Ryoubreathingnow]

Ive had the opposite experience with slappy trucks. Got wheelbite instantly with them, and they absolutely shred bushings, especially the roadside. Didnt matter if i ran cup or flat washers, they still got cut the hell up because of how much the bushings shifted around in the very minimal bushing seat. Also, while on the topic of bushings, why is it bones or stock bushings for 90% of skaters? Check out riptide bushings.

[@Bubbytoed]

My bushing did get chewed up but it didnt feel like it affected the turning to me. I really liked em but ive heard a lot of people upset about the bushings

[@Ryoubreathingnow]

@Bubbytoed I really wanted to like them. The bushings seats are shallow and allow the bushing to slip over them and shift, pushing to the opposite side your turning and expanding over the washers. The kingpin length, and in result the roadside bushing height probably plays a roll in why the roadside get so chewed up. I run oversized softer bushings boardside, and rely on the extra resistance created by the sides of the bushing contacting the bushing cup in the hanger to prevent most wheelbite. Didnt work in the slightest on these trucks lol.

[@Bubbytoed]

Well im hearing they have overhauled the washers on the trucks to solve the issue.

[@chrhadden]

which rip tide bushings do you use? and thanks i didnt know about them.

[@Ryoubreathingnow]

@chrhadden I'm a bigger guy, 6'4 ~200lbs. On my ace AF1 60s, I use 91a krank fatcones. I use 87a krank fatcones on my old 8.5 tensors, as well as in the paris trucks on my pantheon pranyama(longboard). The fatcones are wider cones that mount with the thinner end of the cone against the hanger. They allow for a nimble center, but create more resistance the more you lean. Think an exponential resistance curve as compared to a linear resistance.

[@clevestinson7996]

Not to be a big ol nerd or whatever but the og orange Indy bushings feel way better than the red ones.

[@Bubbytoed]

Yeah ive heard they are better.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

@@Bubbytoedit’s the same. Just different size. Indy released all the bushings for stage 4s they have 3 kinds

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

It’s the same bushings different color and different size

[@reup4023]

The Stage 4 bottom bushing is taller than the current(Stage 11) bushings, as mentioned Indy sells the bushings specific for Stage 4, in a few similar durometer offering.

[@anglegrinder4630]

I agree on the orange ones feeling better,but for me too soft cause they lean too quick,I actually like the orange grind king on any truck,off topic sorry but..

[@anglegrinder4630]

Is that a hollow kp on the indy?how did that happen?

[@Bubbytoed]

not hollow

[@anglegrinder4630]

​@@Bubbytoedoh sorry

[@HipTrent]

What are your thoughts on thunder trucks?

[@Bubbytoed]

Never tried em.

[@paulnewhouse5126]

Good to see you bubz!

[@Bubbytoed]

You too mannneeee

[@JohnWBlair82]

how you like that Evansville park?

[@Bubbytoed]

It was fun. Much better than ours

[@strings31]

I loved the stage 4s, but recently upped board size to 8.5 so I got some Slappys. So far so good but they feel a bit squirrelier. Tightening them helps but starts destroying the bushings due to the top washer digging in. For some reason tre flips feel weird now too 🤔

[@tbvolcomskater]

Try Indy super soft bushings🤘🏼

[@chrhadden]

i just bought some 169 titaniums and bones med bushings. i love them. stock bushings are always crap. i dont try every truck though

[@babyzoomer924]

I literally can't understand how this shape is disliked and those PIPES we see nowadays are praised. Yet again I'm a 90s kid so...

[@Bubbytoed]

Pipes 😂

[@22Kris_Wilson]

I feel like the stage 4 Was way more stable like a thunder, but was not as Carvey as a stage 11

[@redsyn]

I'm too fat & old to skate, but I'll throw you a view.

[@Punkrockandskateboards]

You are never too fat or too old to skate. 😢

[@angry_zergling]

I saw a video of a guy who had to be 300 pounds shredding and Tony Hawk still did 900s into his 50s. No excuses.

[@joshmcali.sk8]

I just started skating at 32, and I’m pushing 370 😅 I just know my limits, and hoping I get better as I get lighter 💪

[@angry_zergling]

@@joshmcali.sk8 Dang good for you dude! Especially just starting! I'm trying to get back to it in my thirties and it's hard even though I skated for five years or something in my teens.

[@scstinger5]

Good video! I haven’t tried the sage 4 Indy’s yet but skated them back in the day and loved them back then but remember that there is very little kingpin clearance. I see that Pedro Barros is skating the stage 4’s now, so that’s kinda cool! I really liked Ace trucks but bent every set I ever had (like 6 or 7 sets) so I don’t skate them anymore. Been skating Slappy’s for a while now and like them. They do look a lot like Ace trucks but do not skate anything like Ace. Slappy’s have great bushings, turn a lot deeper than most trucks, don’t get wheel-bite, super good kingpin clearance, and they don’t bend lol! When I jump on my decks with Indy’s or Thunders on them, they don’t feel as good as the Slappy’s do. Unfortunately I haven’t tried the Slappy’s on a vert ramp yet as the nearest vert ramp is 3 hours away from me but my local skatepark has a 10’ deep bowl with about a foot of vert and they feel real good in it. Also seeing Mike Frazier and Gavin Liller just killing it on vert with Slappy’s is I pretty good sign that they are a good vert truck lol!

[@brienbeltran8722]

I’m liking the stage 4s I put a inverted kingpin in so it’s great now and I feel like the extra weight helps with the turn I like loose tucks so there ok by me

[@jcheeks36]

Ill agree with weight for sure. One thing I did notice is I have been on and off my lurpivs to the point where I have a second setup with lupivs on em. But the thing the stage 4 does that the ace cant is turning without wheel bite. I like big ass wheelsand ace is a gift and a curse sometimes because for a second you are good and then boom wheel bite and you are dead stage 4 dont do that. But them shits look wonky

[@djrealmerda]

Indy are just the og and they’re badass

[@djmacmaldy5264]

Ace hollow rules all

[@jamesryan4325]

Dude, you hardly turn on your board. Stage 4s are more for transition not going straight and street - transition and carving is where they really shine. The red bushings have a ton of rebound and are way better than AF1 bushings IMO. They have a quicker and deeper turn but are somehow more stable than Ace. I tried Slappy trucks and they just lean like hell - the turn takes an age to engage- more like Stage 11 Indys. I didn't dig them at all. I still love the Ace carve, I feel they're meant to be ridden loose. Right now my transition set ups are running Stage 4s and Ace 77s. Both amazing trucks IMO.

[@brokedownsuperman]

I’m about to get some Slappys

[@jamesryan4325]

Slappys trucks are good if you hate turning...

[@bluething3D]

My 2 year old likes your board. "I wanna ride that"

[@SergioFernandez-w5w]

Bones are good ace hard bushings.

[@ianclements47]

Id take slappys over ACE anyday. Havent tried the stage 4 yet. Maybe ill get the 10" stage 4s.

[@ॐIo]

Yo what happened to all the Nintendo coverage

[@Not_My_Handle]

Slappy lights. 🔥

[@Bubbytoed]

Need to try some

[@KeithCanisius]

The corona vax was also made by scientist, lol

[@djrealmerda]

Rip Fausto🌿

[@philip6252]

tf is this a supplement ad

[@Bubbytoed]

Its a truck review with a drink ad for 1 minute that you can easily skip actually

[@sharkfilet]

I never see your videos on my feed!!!

[@Bubbytoed]

Cause youtube hates to see a playa shine

[@ProtoUnleashed]

Where lil niece bruh

[@ProtoUnleashed]

U promised me 3 years ago maaaneeeee

[@Bubbytoed]

In county my midget

[@61936]

My friend was riding slappys and I was debating in my head if they were aces what makes it funny is I’m also skating slappys

[@maxmacias1967]

Your magic mind commercial is way too long.

[@Bubbytoed]

crazy thing is, you control the length of it.

[@Utopia2511]

oh god this ad fucking sucks

[@Bubbytoed]

You can skip insanely easily. I got bills to pay playboi.

[@oscaramaral9502]

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[@Bubbytoed]

Yes