India Pakistan War 1971 | Sea Power

[@TheGouzy90]

It feels like this game needs a "OH SH*T, EVERYONE WEAPONS FREE!!" button.

[@taylorlance2737]

It does: if you "weapons free" on weapon profile for the fleet, they will shoot at literally anything even remotely suspicious but its bad if you have intel of noncombatants in the area cuz then theyll do a USS Vincennes part-2😂

[@daviniusb6798]

I was so sad that Jive Turkey wasn't involved in Sea Power, and then he hit with banger stream after banger stream xD They should have hired him month ago imho btw last time you told your "how I comanded a nuclear submarine" story it was the rudder that was about to be handeld far to aggressiv, in your last stream it was the propulsion

[@rawnukles]

Love your scenarios. Would be nice if you could zoom the view in so we can see the planes. All I can see is a dot.

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

Another great vid, only issue, I am in UK, and we get hit with a minute of ads every 10 mins or so, makes these long vids a very long watch, but best vids by far on Sea Power.

[@Focusonbehind]

Same everywhere man, that's why I have premium. (do not have anything else like Netflix i.e.)

[@bTusler]

Get 4K Video Downloader for free and when you download the video in MP4 format there are no adds on playback.

[@Corsair37]

Fun fact Jive Turkey should enjoy - the 1971 India Pakistan War was also the first time a submarine sank a ship in combat (since World War II). The PNS Hangor (a Daphne class diesel submarine built by France for Pakistan) sank the INS Khukri, a Blackwood class (Type 14) Frigate on Dec 9, 1971. The next time was the well known (in the West, at least) sinking of the ARA General Belgrano in the 1982 Falklands War. Also antiship missiles were a thing back in WWII - Nazi Gernany used Hs 293 and Fritz X radio controlled glide bombs to sink or damage 31 ships. The first use of the modern antiship missiles was in 1967, when Egyptian Komar missile boats sank the Israelie destroyer Eilat with...you guessed it, Styx missiles.

[@corvanphoenix]

Lol, first time a submarine sunk a ship in combat?

[@Corsair37]

@@corvanphoenix I meant since World War II.

[@toughderek]

One of the big problems seems to be in giving orders to formations. Almost every time you gave orders to what you thought was a formation, it only gave orders to an individual. There has to be a much better way of giving groups orders. Is it possible to give orders in the UI tab that shows your formation groups? I've seen you pull that tab up before, and it seems like a much easier way of selecting groups instead of individuals, since there is no click and drag to select groups.

[@hannesorisson1200]

Great to have your videos back, used to watch all Cold Waters video I found. Just one question regarding this scenario. The anachronism regarding the aircraft’s is that too make it more busy or just lack of assets in the game today? Being a plane nerd. For example the Indians had Mig 21. Gnats and Su 7. Some Mig 17. But Mig 25’s entered service in 1970 and it being top secret weapon system and was only sold outside USSR 1981. Also the SU 24 were not introduced until 1973. Pakistanis had F 104, F 86 and Mirage III, F6 Hawker Hunter. Sorry about it if this comes off as a rant. PS still love the video itching too get my hands on it.

[@Deltarious]

I'll chime in about the MiG-21Bis- when they were introduced in '72 (when the Bis upgrade specifically rolled out) they were very good aircraft, not the Soviet's best but still capable, but unbeknownst to the Soviets they were already becoming rapidly outdated- the Tomcat was introduced to service in '74 and prototypes were already flying and even their 'next gen' aicraft in the Mig-23 and MiG-25 were pretty outclassed by it. To generalize before '72 ish they were exceptional aircraft *IF* and that's a big if they were used in an interceptor role with GCI support- being literally talked onto the target from the ground with ground surveillance radar support and guidance. This worked very well for them because radar guided beyond visual range missiles were not really a solid or reliable thing yet so their short range IR misisles with ground guidance to find the targets was a really strong combination, and they were great in a dogfight which many fights became anyway. As we get into the 70s that really starts to change with US missile tech and doctrine seeing a huge improvement and becoming much more reliable the strong radars in the F-4 began to pay off and BVR combat started to become a 'real' thing (the specifics of 'when' are pretty hotly debated but by mid 70s BVR is pretty firmly 'a thing' in terms of US doctrine and reliability) . MiG-21s cannot really compete in a BVR fight as they lack a big enough radar to be effective against anything that's not a bomber since they were always intended to be guided by GCI and Soviet missile tech was lagging behind a bit by this point too with them seeing many of the exact same reliability problems with their missiles in the 70s that the US had nearly finished going through in the late 60s-early 70s with the Sparrow. For me this means they're not one of the best *overall* aircraft of the cold war but I *do* think they're quite possibly the best 'second tier' aircraft of *all time* because they're very, very good and reliable at what they do, which is get into IR missile range, shoot them off, and then dogfight. The sales numbers sure seem to back that up too, they must have been doing something right to have made over 10,000 of them and have some *still* be in service!

[@IdeaBoxful]

India had an upgrade programme that kept on improving the engine, avionics and armament capability of the Mig 21 till early 2000's. It was very fast attack and cap aircraft capable for the defensive doctrines IAF was using it for. India has also a fully indigenous production most Soviet fighters, that kept them going after Soviet Union's fall. But it was a difficult aircraft to fly if you push it at the edge its fight envelope. In the later years there were some public outcry regarding peace time losses of the same.

[@GeneticDrifter]

Hyped for this game

[@flalk0234]

What's the name of that book which has all US Naval warships from a specific year called again? It includes their weaponry and such. I swear it was called something like 'Jenny'

[@Deltarious]

They're called "Janes" specifically "Janes Fighting Ships" is the general overview one but you do need "Janes Weapons: Naval" and so on for the very specific detail. They're also insanely expensive these days and there are a few games with the "Janes" name/collab from the 90s era

[@NautilusSSN571]

​​@@Deltarious The price cap is fixable through high seas acquisicition.

[@saqibsultantemuri2437]

The Golden Earring reference ....😂nice!

[@KoustavDhara]

I am from India. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@Ranger3-75]

What’s the Discord?

[@hannesorisson1200]

Just wondering if the Indian SAM units weret too quick to react? If this was really a surprise attack would the SAMs not be “cold”? AAA much quicker to activate but Radar in the 1971 using early 1960 tech, would it not take time to warm up? And I mean literally warm up the system.

[@stevensutton2252]

normal not to turn off radar. unless doing maintenance same with sam unites

[@hannesorisson1200]

@@stevensutton2252 well maybe but back than India had horrible radars could barely detect anything below 6-7000 feet. I am just interested in these matters after reading books on the air war in 1971.

[@stevensutton2252]

@@hannesorisson1200 well maybe this will help there's three so called buttons on all radar systems 1 radar 2 viewer 3 battery this is why takes so long to power up its charging cells and also you don't turn off because electric feedback

[@IdeaBoxful]

The aircraft spread for Indian Airforce is wrong for 1971. I primary aircraft was Mig 21, Hawker Hunters, B-57 Canberras and Gnats. The Paksitani airforce had - F86 Sabres, Canberras and Hawker hunters. By the end of the war Indian Airforce had air superiority. India flew 1,978 sorties in the East and about 4,000 within Pakistan, while the PAF flew about 30 and 2,840 at the respective fronts. By the end of the war, India had lost 45 aircraft while Pakistan lost 75.

[@slideways4291]

I get the feeling that the devs haven't finished coding all of the engagement doctrines for various platforms.

[@b.elzebub9252]

The game seems very buggy. The airplanes don't target the airbases. But the Pakistani airbases also don't seem to do anything? There's no AA, or aircraft being launched to intercept your AWACS..

[@evangalinsky2499]

It honestly infuriates me more than it should that you haven't figured out that, setting them to weapons free will override basically everything you tell the unit to do, regardless of unit type. They will decide what they want to engage. If you want them to go after a specific target or for them to follow your commands again, you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO TAKE THEM OFF WEAPONS FREE. If you leave them weapons free for more than one engagement, they also usually bug like the Su-24M's did on that first airfield. They get stuck in loops, refuse to engage anything, just micro manage them as annoying as that might be. Every single content creator has done the exact same thing. Out of the ones I've seen, only 2 have figured this out. After watching like 3 CC's I figured that out pretty quickly. They aren't paying enough attention to what they're doing while playing, or simply just don't realize what's happening like you. My br0ther in christ, please stop setting them weapons free. Just pause the game for a split second, manually select the unit, the weapon, and then the target. Just do it.

[@McMannis85]

My man, that’s a problem with the ai and the game, not the streamer. I get what you’re saying, but expecting everyone to know all the bugs and issues with the ai is kinda nonsense.

[@evangalinsky2499]

@McMannis85 i mean to me it seems pretty reasonable that playing the game yourself for a significant amount of time like he has been, would allow you to figure this out pretty quickly.

[@McMannis85]

@@evangalinsky2499 except when you think about it the orders he’s giving to the units is perfectly reasonable, and they should be doing exactly what he’s telling them based off of his training and experience, which not for nothing, is the overall point of the game. Also, if you don’t know it’s broken, or why, and don’t consume hours of other streamers or KZbin videos, it’s completely unreasonable to expect someone who isn’t a computer programmer to understand why the issues are happening. Like I said, I don’t completely disagree with the premise of your statement, but as was stated by him in the video he’s trying to allow the ai to handle things and manage it from a high level and not micro every unit having to pause the game ever ten seconds to issue stupid orders that don’t make sense to trick the seemingly broken ai into functioning.

[@stevensutton2252]

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