INEOS Grenadier Big Brake Kit - First Look !

[@themaker959]

Looks Great. Lots of ricer mods coming out for the Grenadier. What we need is Castor Correction links to correct the driveline issues.

[@pilotgabe]

Something to that effect is being installed on my Grenadier this past week, hoping it's the answer we are all looking for in regards to drive-shaft and CV issues.

[@Captain-Donut]

‼️ Great information, thanks ‼️ Always amazes me people can’t communicate like human being in the comments. I don’t even own an grenadier but now I have more great info. Thanks for your time and effort 🙏❤️ Love from Scotland ❤️🙏

[@morevanever1311]

Thank you!

[@pilotgabe]

Looks really cool, but the OEM brakes are rated for the GVW, even when pulling a trailer. And removing the hand brake? That should not be promoted. It should be used anytime you're parking on any kind of incline, because otherwise the weight of the vehicle is acting against the pin in the transmission. If you damage that pin... :O

[@morevanever1311]

Yea it's not applicable for every owner. Like I said in the video.. hills are far and few me. However, in places maybe like San Francisco where that whole city is hills, then the hand brake is used more frequently. Maybe the front is the only option.

[@FS-vh7mf]

Those brakes are massive. Would like to see the difference in before and after braking distances

[@morevanever1311]

We'll have to run some tests, but the Grenadier is already loaded down with the roof top tent, front steel bumper, and some interior storage. Personally, I think the factory brakes are ok on a stock Grenadier. It's when you start loading it up, and especially with a trailer that you should start thinking about safety options.

[@HalWalfield]

I will say omitting the hand break is a deal breaker for me 🙁… looks great though

[@morevanever1311]

Yea for some it's not the right fit, but you can buy the front BBK separately and still gain better braking performance.

[@pilotgabe]

I agree with you but definitely wouldn't mind the front brakes!

[@stevegreen101]

​@@morevanever1311Is it better performance if the master cylinder dimensions are not changed?

[@lsxfbodygen3]

⁠@@stevegreen101you sir win the question of the internet today. This is commonly overlooked! Answer is marginally but measurable. The system works as, well, a system. You indeed would need to address the master cylinder if you wanted optimum performance. You also need to address brake balance. This concept is common place in the racing industry.

[@morevanever1311]

@stevegreen101 the caliper piston bores are measured/designed accordingly to gain the most optimal performance

[@C-Mack1972]

Stock brakes were professionally engineered specifically for the Grenadier to deal with any condition including the additional weight and heat build up associated with towing… plenty of capacity built in. Eliminating the parking brake is beyond silly from an emergency and safety standpoint. The point of having an emergency/parking brake is for situations you didn’t anticipate like ripping off a brake line off-road or assisting on a steep mountain track or parking on a hill. With regard to suspension lifts, it will cause driveline issues in the long run. Grenadiers front pinion/driveshaft angle is already aggressive in order to try and maintain some caster for the front axle and a tall lift exacerbates the problem. Sure you can get an alignment and dial in more caster but again it just creates an even more severe angle for the front driveshaft. If this is purely an off-road rig go ahead and modify away. Problem is most folks modify their vehicles to the hilt then rarely go off-road and spend the rest of eternity complaining and chasing issues they’ve created with all their mods.

[@morevanever1311]

The Grenadiers are not the G-wagons and Range Rovers you see today. They are purpose built. The demographic of buyers (for the most part) want to go offroad. Yes, I agree it would have been ideal to retain the hand brake, but the design from INEOS is one of the most out dated emergency hand brake systems, although I understand its for simplicity. There are ways to develop an alternative system, but it requires a lot of re-work on the braking system. Yes, of course INEOS designed a "capable" brake system. There's always better, and that's what this is. Upgrading the front brakes to a BBK is a viable option. You don't have to do the rear if you're not comfortable with eliminating the hand brake function.

[@mariusakelis8689]

Brake disk slots are there for gas dissipation from disk surface, upon hard and long braking. I dont understant why people install such brakes on the cars with max speed of 120Km/h and for use in the offroad conditions... there are great videos about how OEM brakes works just fine most of the time, which where people drive usualy :) but oh well, its nice when people what to spend extra money. BTW brakes ventilation i believe are wrongly mounted, it should be other way around, for better air intake.

[@morevanever1311]

@mariusakelis8689 I've heard that argument before. I think it's misunderstood that just bc it's it on an "offroad" vehicle doesn't mean its not valuable on road. 80% of the journey is spent getting to the destination. Check Brembo, and other top BBK brands. Vents are the same

[@mariusakelis8689]

@@morevanever1311 i'm not saying it's not valuable, i'm just saying that slots not for cooling but for gas dissipation, gas which generates during hard and prolonged braking, which is not very relevant on such slow car even on the road. I'm just saying :) no offens :)

[@CreativeCadaver13]

Agree. Vanes are back to front. Notice the stopping distance comparison? The guy's got two dicks.

[@stevegreen101]

So what is the rationale behind extending the brake lines but ignoring the wheel speed sensor cabling and the brake wear sensor cabling?

[@morevanever1311]

They didn't need to be extended apparently..

[@FS-vh7mf]

Is that rust on the frame?

[@morevanever1311]

It's just dirt. The frame is wax coated from factory

[@nkyabosi4827]

How do you never use a parking brake ? No need for it at all 😮. Brother, come up with the park brake mechanism and you’ll have many clients, otherwise they look good

[@morevanever1311]

I have never used it, unless I drive manual. I can't remember the last time I've been in a situation where I've needed to pull that hand brake. We're looking into ways to keep that hand brake function, but it will take some time to R&D.

[@loum.4377]

Get ready for your drive-axle to snap at any point in the near future. Changes made to the suspension don’t work out very well with the way the drive axle was designed. Numerous Drive shafts have already failed.

[@morevanever1311]

I don't think suspension is the sole reason

[@pilotgabe]

@@morevanever1311 but man the majority of failures have been on lifted vehicles, while nothing else has been changed in the suspension and drivetrains. The rush to be lifted was...maybe hastened too much?

[@pilotgabe]

@@morevanever1311 and for the record, I know Eibach is a great product, it’s not the product creating the issue, vs the same product from another brand not creating the issue. It’s simply the application of ANY lift is most likely premature without consideration to what else needs to be changed at the same time.

[@morevanever1311]

yea I think 2.5" might be too aggressive. However, I haven't had any issues since installing the coils. I spent 4 days exploring UT Canyonlands without any problems. Regardless, we are developing shorter 2" lift coils. I think that will help with any concerns about the angles.

[@pilotgabe]

@@morevanever1311my rig is at MetalCloak now getting some prototype stuff installed that should help with all this too. I’m optimistic.

[@AppleJack76]

When owners of SUVs think they're LeMan race drivers... Go ahead, waste your money.

[@morevanever1311]

BBK's aren't only for speed. Glad you only race cars lol

[@swmrdrn]

But why? These aren’t race trucks and never will be. I completely fail to understand the point of this besides pointing to red brakes at cars and coffee.

[@morevanever1311]

BBK's aren't just for going fast. They help reduce brake fade or even failure on steep down grades when some of these vehicles have excessive loads or trailers.

[@lsxfbodygen3]

As soon as he said it omits the handbrake I was out. Guy has a LIFTED Grenadier, on Kings, and doesn’t have a parking brake?! What kind of mall crawling, never wheels, setup is this?! Let’s also mention that at least in my home state you just made it so the vehicle will never pass inspection. You now have a very expensive trailer queen. At least it stops tho! Brands like Ceika Brakes have been offering rear big brake kits for vehicles for decades that either retain factory parking brake, offer a modified shoe to separate caliper conversion, OR provide a way to implement a parking brake if one didn’t exist before. What was Rotora thinking!?

[@morevanever1311]

You can always buy the front alone. Mall crawler.. I bet this rig has seen more miles on the dirt than yours. LOL

[@lsxfbodygen3]

@@morevanever1311 how much do you want to bet? Put your money on the table. You’re quick to judge someone who you know nothing about. Let’s put some perspective for future readers. My vehicle has seen 50,000 miles in the last four years and it’s a dedicated expedition/overland rig. It does not leave its spot unless it’s on an adventure. It has completed the MABDR, NEBDR, SCAR, OOAT, Georgia Traverse, multiple trips out west, and countless trips to off-road parks. Yes all of this in the last 4 years. I assure you mine has seen more dirt than your Van.

[@morevanever1311]

@lsxfbodygen3 lol. You shot first buddy. Save your energy for FB

[@Fr99763]

Totally useless stuff!

[@morevanever1311]

to each their own..