Ineos Grenadier Fully Tested | New SUV, Old Soul | Off-Roading, Track Performance & More

[@edmundscars]

The old-school Grenadier got us thinking: What other retro vehicles need to make a comeback? We immediately thought of a small pickup, like an old Toyota Tacoma. Let us know what you think in the comments below!

[@husshardan3511]

That Suzuki Jimny would be cool in the USA. A modern Samurai.

[@KaiAdventure]

The Nissan Xterra. Last model year was 2015. I have a 2012 Pro-4x. Bought it brand new and still love it.

[@KNRS927]

A Nissan Xterra based on the Frontier would sell like hotcakes today. Considering the success of the Maverick, Toyota could bring back the T100 as a Maverick competitor featuring single cab and crew cab configurations, and that would fly off lots. Honda could bring back the Element or Fit to be a Trax/Soul competitor and that could be a nice affordable car to get people into Honda. Toyota could ditch the CH-R and bring back the xB as a Toyota to slot below the Corolla Cross and that would be a nice 20k car. A revived Subaru Baja would be cool.

[@SaltShack]

All you have to do is piss off a billionaire, who might also be pissed as it’s told the Grenadier was born in the pub of the same name, and the sky’s the limit.

[@andyorr1597]

I have over 200 miles of Moab off-road on my Grenadier. It’s a beast. It oozes quality. Buy one before the prices go up.

[@SamanthaHAgastin]

It is not meant to have luxuries. It was meant to be a top notch durable and very high quality built utilitarian offroader.

[@ItsAlive111]

For $84k+taxes 😅

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Samantha is right, but the turning circle could still be improved

[@andyorr1597]

@@SilverScarletSpiderturning circle is similar to other recirculating ball steering systems. The turning radius is intentionally limited because, in simple terms, severe angles break stuff. I’ll point to the Bronco, its Trail Assist feature and the number of broken tie rods.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

@@andyorr1597 Thank you for the informative discussion. Based on that knowledge, one should expect the Ineos Grenadier to have a more reliable steering system then the Ford Bronco with the trade off of slightly wider turning circles; does the Toyota 4Runner and Jeep Wrangler have the same broken tie rod issue as the Ford Bronco?

[@SamanthaHAgastin]

@ItsAlive111 yes... the build is exceptionally long lasting and top notch quality. Everything has been engineered for this purpose. Built to go offroad and last. Built from scratch and best in the industry and still priced low. BMW ex plant was bought. Check for how much. I'm surprised it is not more pricey. There is a commercial version that holds the off-roading features. On the top of this it has the towing and hauling capacity of a truck.

[@charlymagne]

I’ve had mine for a few months now, and it’s a dream. You need to take this to the trails, that’s where you’ll be so impressed, it just mows everything down. It is smooth, easy to drive, and the steering is a non issue. I have an LR4, which we love for its capability. This and the LR4 are like distant cousins.

[@Dxoilxd]

Surprised that no one is talking about Brian. I am highly impressed by him steering, commentating, not crashing, and sweating during the driving portion of the test. Love these offroad videos, keep it up fam

[@Frogboxer]

Steering's designed for slow off-road not Dakar Rally.

[@husshardan3511]

"The GX has a better powertrain"... as Toyota is dealing with spun main bearings in that motor....

[@Areku06]

Bmw b58 more reliable than Toyota v6 turbo 🤣

[@husshardan3511]

@@Areku06 Toyota has a recall for the egine spinning bearings with no fix st the moment.

[@lloydswartz7354]

The gx is a plastic car for luxury living. Not the same at all

[@reddfoxx91]

Straight to the point. This boxy truck looks absolutely great in green!

[@ALMX5DP]

It’s undeniably cool and looks to have the chops to back it up.

[@davidemmanuelcortez7253]

Those “ Bridgestone” tires looks amazing!

[@kevinmokracek5078]

😂😂😂

[@garthhowe297]

I think they nailed it with this vehicle. I love the big switches.

[@canlungdoc]

I believe the idea with the switchgear is that it is serviceable and easily replaceable. Not sure the engine would be so field-serviceable, but I do like the idea of building a vehicle with ease of future maintenance in mind.

[@BoanergesJim]

I would love to see a side by side off road comparison between the Ineos and the Wrangler Rubicon.

[@lfjm100]

It's a real all-terrain vehicle for real men, not stupid things.

[@flintdxb7514]

Small note, both rear and front diff housings are offset to the right so if you ride over a rock and keep it centered it will not hit either diff. Usually most 4x4 off-roaders have the front diff offset and the rear diff centered. So if you miss the rock at the front you most likely will hit the rear diff. 😅 harder to explain than I thought 😂

[@angelmunoz3709]

Just wanted to add.... that new model bridgestone K02 is aamazingg....patent pending combination of tire manufacturers👌

[@javed0124]

Nice review

[@whispanic]

Steering - Steering - Steering - So it drives like a proper ute... K'thanx you could have just said its exactly as designed and exceptionally executed.

[@007diego2]

Yeah, I might have to pass and I was really considering grabbing one of these sometime this month. The amount of work that the driver had to do when he took it off road was crazy. You shouldn’t have to work that hard, in any 4x4 built over the past 24 years

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Edmund’s best videos are comparison tests, Ineos Grenadier vs Toyota 4Runner video please. Not interested in hybrids and EVs

[@andyorr1597]

The 4 Runner would struggle due to far slacker approach and departure angles.

[@lloydswartz7354]

We are trading our 2015 TRD pro in for a Grenadier. The 4 runner is a fine car, but not easy to build for serious wheeling. Think of Ineos as "professional grade" for those that want a hardcore, sexy off roader with 1 ton drive train.🎉

[@husshardan3511]

Yeah it is cr@p on the skidpad and slowish on the track. But that's not why you buy it. That cute GX550 with all that low hanging plastic and little ground clearance? Nice for driving around town and on dirt roads. It does not want to make you go on an adventure. Unless that adventure is wondering if that motor that it share with the Tundra is about to seize. The real competitors are the Wrangler and Bronco - but while those have that very cool American flavour, this has that very cool British let's go on a safari flavour!

[@Kenyan_Grenadier]

On a closed circuit, that’s known to you… maybe it’s not so good. Line it up in the wild, with rocks, rivers, corrugations and jumps- see who gets to the end first. This thing eats up hard trails better than anything I’ve ever driven- and I’m a Toyota guy!

[@myronhensel]

What is the crawl ratio and what is the gearing in the axles?

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Brian - just admit it. You were humming “Danger Zone” almost the whole time. Welcome to the addiction. Just do some shoulder presses and you’ll be good on the steering. That’s how we keep the realtor and soccer mom buyers out.

[@SamanthaHAgastin]

😂❤

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

A Bridgestone k02? Do better! Good throttle control!

[@Far2hip]

OK. Before I watch this I’m going to say a small prayer that one of these “professional automotive reviewers” actually does a valid review of the Grenadier by comparing the ACTUAL intention that directed its design (an intentionally off-road utility focused vehicle that delivers safe, comfortable, and reliable service operating its primary service life on dirt roads and in often difficult and/compromising terrain environments) to the results represented by its performance results when operating according to that design intention. If I hear another reviewer dumping on the fact that on the asphalt the steering in the Grenadier doesn’t quickly correct itself straight after a turn or that it requires a too much corrective input going down the highway as if they were not reviewing what is basically a refined version of a tractor that happens to have quite outstanding road manners given it was intended to spend almost its entire life chewing up off-road terrain, I’m going to lose faith in the fact that the automotive review community actually has any real depth of categorical expertise. Yes, it’s definitely valuable information to offer up that while operating the Grenadier on an asphalt road trip will require becoming more intentionally intimate with your steering inputs, that statement should be followed up immediately with a properly glowing affirmation along the lines of, “But while driving the Grenadier in its intended primarily off-road environment, you will most certainly appreciate that when your front wheel comes in contact with a sizable object, that steering wheel will not be instantly spinning around trying to break both of your thumbs while sending the vehicle in a possibly compromising direction.” Let’s see what this review brings. I might need to apologize for being kind of a butthole right up front, lol. 🧐🧐😂😂 Apology after watching? Nope. Moping about skid pad numbers was completely unrelated to its intention. The Grenadier is definitely not an on road performance platform nor is it an off-road race truck. Yes, it can handle the pounding and the sandy washes, but the steering is targeted directly at smooth compliance in a more moderate speed, technically challenging terrain over short ratio flicking turns while using a forward power float strategy while driving expeditiously. Remember folks, the Grenadier is an EXTREMELY intentional design intended for long term off-road reliability. That’s one reason for that detuned B58 engine. The BMW B58 lower end is one of the most reliable short blocks ever produced and it’s presence it global. If you find an example of one of these B58’s blown up in the lower portion, you will definitely find components up top pushing that horsepower number. The thing is built like a tank that happens to behave quite well on pavement. I’m still waiting for a genuine review reflecting the performance results of exactly what it’s intended for. A few have come close, but the best version is yet to come. Maybe I’ll give it a try…..🤔 OK. I’m done bellyaching, LOL!!😂😂😂

[@hughmann1908]

Surprised you didn’t compare it to the new defender…

[@SamanthaHAgastin]

Ineos supports a chuckling team

[@马k]

Now if they can just change the gear shifter to not look like a BMW shifter......

[@BryanPike]

DIY swap to 2022 Supra chunky BMW shift handle looks like what shout have been specifically originally.

[@chandlertao]

best ever

[@michaelwittmann2644]

Great review, but Sean Connery WAS Scotish-he died 31 October 2020. Voted & Sub'd.

[@husshardan3511]

The steering is disappointing. My Wrangler Rubicon is nothing like that - if you play 'movie car' it will be swerving all over place! And it has a tight turning circle. But apparently the issue is that the camber/alignment has not been set properly at the factory. Johnsons Alignment or Stokes Tires - no affiliation to either - are great shops and close to Edmunds HQ. It would be cool if you could have them check it out and see if they can improve the steering w camber changes.

[@andyorr1597]

The steering is not an issue. I’ve driven mine across I-70 at 80 mph in blinding snow, 90 mph wind gusts, etc., It’s stable and secure. The castor is set perfectly. It’s an off road vehicle. It’s not an SUV. Nothing needs changed.

[@husshardan3511]

@@andyorr1597 my Rubicon is an off road vehicle too. And does not have the steering issues the Grenadier has. I really like the Grenadier, I am looking for answers on how to improve the steering and the owners forum mentioned that when they had the caster adjusted, it really helped.

[@hedydd2]

It is overpriced in the USA due to the chicken tax which is a free trade barrier.

[@nnasab]

This is a utility vehicle like jeep. They don’t drive like other SUVs. They drive like themselves. Get over it. I like this car.

[@ALMX5DP]

I think they were just highlighting its inherent characteristics, not necessarily knocking it per se.

[@mlkabc123]

Bro relax you sound like jeep owner...he is doing his job and testing the vehicle

[@lloydswartz7354]

Every car review magazine does the same thing. Look at how much hate consumer reports dishes out for off road vehicles 😂

[@Write_and_drive]

It's so funny how even someone who tests off road vehicles for a living can't even be bothered to research, or talk about, the reasons for, and benefits of, recirculating ball steering. Is that laziness? The same laziness at play moaning about having to put effort into steering a 3 tonne vehicle at speed across sand? Who thought that would be easy? 😅

[@SSS-mp8th]

Just can’t imagine anyone not really rich buying basically a $70k vehicle kickstarter style. They are a complete unknown, future parts, repairs if in an accident… I’ll stick with a Land Cruiser, Bronco or you had the money a G Wagen. At least you know Mercedes will be around in 10 years.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

This isn’t really quite true - that’s what’s interesting about their approach. ALL of the components are known and top quality. The engineers are known and revered. The production site and team were proved, ready and respected. And the company, itself, is really substantial. What is new is their entry into automotive and the design. It’s about as de-risked as you can go on a new entry. Lastly, the test series were grueling, epic, and documented for the whole world to see. Most of us who own them have been following that journey for literally years. Many of us, myself included, were invited and had the chance to try out trial series models. And, BTW, we have almost 2 years of Aussies, Kiwis and Europeans beating the hell out of and modifying it on the production series. I would say more was known about this thing than almost any other vehicle introduced in the last 20 years.

[@andyorr1597]

It’s a BMW engine with a ZF transmission Carraro frame, Eibach suspension , Recaro seats… they’ll all be there. Ineos is a $65 billion private company. This isn’t a kickstarter campaign.

[@Kenyan_Grenadier]

I’d agree with that a year ago when I took delivery of my Grenadier. Today, I can say I’ve tested it in places that are considered the graveyards of all vehicles, and every time I’ve come back ready to go right back at it again!

[@jeremetriusoclaire6949]

Bridgestone?

[@blegi1245]

The factory fitment road tire is bridgestone. He miss spoke.

[@lloydswartz7354]

Wait, everyone buys these and adds 35s immediately. Good luck on those others. But they lack ground clearance for something that basic? Yikes

[@KOedNAC]

Looks great, performance well off-road like it was meant to, but for the technology that it has (meaning tried and true technology that is known to work well albeit older) it is way overpriced. Starting price at almost 80k is about 30k too expensive. BMW drivetrain and Land Rover appearance cannot justify this price...

[@urbanstrencan]

Over expensive toy for rich ones, but would still have it in pickup version 😊😂❤❤❤

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

They just launched it in the US - it’s called the Quartermaster and it’s REALLY expensive (more than the Grenadier) because of the chicken tax.

[@andyorr1597]

It’s $71,500 base price. Wrangler’s are $64k and they have plastic tops…

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@andyorr1597 I was talking about the pickup version - BASE price on that is $86,9, compared to $71,9 for the Grenadier. So a decent config will be $100k, whereas you’re looking at $85k for the Grenadier. I just don’t see the Quartermaster making it in the US. It will be super low volume - unless they can get production in North America or the chicken tax gets dropped

[@roadrider1100]

Can you please release this video without the non-value added and irritating music?

[@wanieldong]

rugged, just like the host

[@mtnslyr]

Lol, land rover done fucked up on capitalizing their old design.

[@hedydd2]

This is not a racing or rallying car and most of this video completely misses the point. It’s a work truck, very much overpriced in the US due to chicken tax. There is nothing British about the Ineos Grandier. It is French built with a mainly German drivetrain and Italian axles. The company is owned by a British man who is a tax evader, a supporter of Britain leaving the EU yet whose majority of businesses are located within the EU. Much like Dyson, I will not buy products from hypocrites.

[@michaelneville3455]

Bridgestone KO2 Tires????? Thats where your report lost all credability . Go play golf , a n d leave vehicle tests to people who know what they are talking about.

[@adrianw3985]

You say that they built what they thought was cool? Well... didn't they build a copy of a Land Rover? That's great and all, but it's not something original. This is what we are left with these days, 4x4s reviewed by off-road neophytes. It would be nice to see these things on some real trails, not those artifical man made courses.

[@claudeschmit7133]

SUV? Really? 😂

[@splodge561]

What's a pub! 🙄

[@Wised1000]

I'm sure Mercedes and Styer are very flattered that someone is willing to put money in an attempt to "clone" their G class. 😂

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

You DO realize that Magna Steyr did all the engineering on the Grenadier, don’t you? And that they will not only engineer, but manufacture the next model from Ineos, the Fusilier?

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

If you actually think about it,the grenadier is the G Wagon Magna engineered for the W463 G Wagon replacement . Merc chose to ditch proper 4x4 and from 2019 went all soft and to many computers and electronics . Thankfully has a good relation ship with Merc as he owns 30 % of Merc F1 team . The purchasing of the Hambach factory from Merc was pure genius, I actually think Merc pushed him fine the bmw power train route, as those in the know quickly released in early development that this is indeed the 2024 G wagon that never was! Hopefully that all makes sense, if not do your homework guys 👏👏👍🤛😉

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@PeterFearon-g8q it’s spiritual redemption for the Magna guys - they are loving it

[@Pandora882]

@@PeterFearon-g8q Yes it is thats why I have one

[@newdefendermods]

Its a classic defender copy 100%

[@SaltShack]

If you pay more than $76,500 you bought too much junk not suited to the vehicles purpose.

[@Skfkf1393a]

Da fuq u talking about?

[@SaltShack]

@@Skfkf1393a can’t figure it out huh. Let me help. $76,500+-, gets you a base Grenadier with Lockers all the extra usable electrics and switching. Heated seats, leather seats, non isolated second battery, safari window, carpet or carpeted mats, 31’ KO2 tires (already replaced mine), “tool belt” (I will not be hanging all sorts of nonsense off the side of my truck ever)……. Essentially everything but Lockers and usable electrics are all luxury or things that need to be removed and replaced anyway so why pay $9,000, $11,000 or more extra markup for options that do not advance the purpose of the truck.

[@Kenyan_Grenadier]

@@SaltShackI understand where you’re coming from… but hanging all sorts of random stuff on the sides can be everything you need where I’m at in Africa. Different type of off-roading I’d say. You can’t always access your roof in the bush and most times you don’t even have the time to get there because you’re too busy trying to avoid being a predator’s next meal.

[@TheTranfan]

Imagine some lunatic doing a stage 3 build on this 😂

[@lloydswartz7354]

Already some portals done 😮

[@GPG7754]

Time to put the B58 in the new Tundra!

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Toyota already puts it in the Supra

[@andyorr1597]

That’s not a stretch at this point. There are confirmed stories of Toyota’s new gas V6 self detonating due to metal shavings left over from the manufacturing process.

[@myauctionaddictionestatesa7451]

This popped up for some reason. But just back from picking ours up this weekend. Stayed an extra day in Colorado and drove a couple of relatively challenging trails where front and rear lockers were required,( hackberry, longwater) and the Broncos that we saw turned around. Never had a vehicle do so well stock. The small tires hardly held it back. But this thing will be a factory assassin with some 35s!

[@SalgueroEK]

Just adding, that B58 engine with a down pipe and a tune is easily 450whp

[@ALMX5DP]

Why do you need more power in a vehicle like this? Isn’t it better to leave it understressed for the chance at increased longevity?

[@husshardan3511]

Not at all useful for the intentions of the Grenadier - which is why they DETUNED it! Did you miss the brake testing and skid pad results? This thing is running on all terrain tyres on steel wheels, not street performance tyres.

[@SalgueroEK]

@@ALMX5DP maybe its a tad low on power, thats all.

[@SalgueroEK]

@@husshardan3511 good point, steering is all over the place imagine floored and fighting with steering

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

The gearbox in the petrol/gas version can't handle too much extra torque 8HP51 unit is only good for maximum 500NM/ 369 pd.ft The diesel version has the 8HP76 which is good for up to 760NM/ 560 ft.pd. No point adding lots of power if the gearbox detonates. I assume that sand track he was powering along is a closed track and one direction only. Drive like that in any other part of the world and you would risk a head on crash with other users.

[@TheDane_BurnAllCopies]

0:55 americans 🙄 THAT CAR IS NOT A NACARS! It is a land rover wannabe.