Inheriting the legacy of the SKX : Seiko 5KX Review ( SBSA003 / SRPD53K1 ) Seiko 5 Sports

[@dunndicles]

Like you, I’ve never owned an SKX. I opted for an Orient Ray 2 a couple of years ago and absolutely zero regrets with that decision. I don’t mind the 5KX models and I can appreciate that you can choose whatever floats your boat right out of the box, no modding required. However, I just have too many low- to mid-level watches in my box, so I’m not jumping on the bandwagon. Saving my watch dollars to spend elsewhere (while still enjoying all the KZbin videos on these). Thanks for the honesty & great video, Shane! 👍🏼

[@VersedNJ]

Talking about Orient, I wish they'd get me my Triton back from repair.

[@FitOutPost]

"Let us waste our money first," you said, and thank you for that. Good review, as usual.

[@oldiesfreek]

"Seiko's QC issues are very much alive and well..." 😅 And they have the cheek to retail it at that price.

[@ExtraLeben]

Seikos famous qc issues xD.. I got one 3 weeks ago with a very smooth but loud bezel.. I ordered another one for comparison and the 2. One had a very stiff but qiet bezel.. XD.. But the 2. One has better accuracy than the first one.. So i think i can forgive the bezel its stiffness... How is with your 5kx guys? Does anyone has these "issues"?

[@duke6j]

It always cracks me up about how people talk about dive watches. I'll bet 95% of them have never even been in a swimming pool, let alone the ocean. Friends of mine wear 100 meter watches and use digital equipment when they go diving. And let's talk about the watch band fitting over the dive suit wrist!

[@possumsam2189]

Literally only the most profoundly moronic individuals would pick a mechanical diver over a life-saver like Suunto etc.

[@RelativeTime]

Yah. The real divers all have dive computers. So at best a watch is a backup, but more often it's wrist candy if they are even wearing one. Amateur divers like myself will wear one diving, but it's more just to have it. I only really dive on vacation, usually somewhere nice and warm. So then it's on a professionally guided trip with a divemaster, and usually 40-60 feet. So I've always been more focused on my air pressure then on how long I've been down.

[@duke6j]

@@RelativeTime You are making a lot of good points.

[@possumsam2189]

@@RelativeTime The only reason I can see to bringing a Mech diving is if it is Bronze and you want to develop its patina the old fashioned way.

[@razvanon]

It seems to me that the desk-divers , such as my self , are mostly bothered by the missing 10 bar. Nobody hates the drilled lugs or the 4r36 movement . I only hate the price gouging policies !

[@josephj7387]

Thank you for being honest and direct Shane! While 100 m wr is alright by me...the hacking & winding is more important imo and Seiko has done just right...no real divers use watches to time their dive anymore and then wr is then somehow being used synonymously with build quality which is not right...200m wr still has qc issues so people should stop bashing the new 5kx line

[@RelativeTime]

The good thing is that I've already seen the price drop. I even saw it fro around $150 for Black Friday sales. At that point, it's worth picking up. Heck, I even thought about getting a green dial version at that price. If people really care about WR, then they can always look at Marks new Islander line at Long Island Watch. Basically an SKX Homage with all the bells and whistles.

[@chadr8264]

Well done as usual. I too like the new 5 logo a lot. Pretty much agree with everything. I love their movements. But I feel so gouged by the rest of the watch. No more divers rating, no sapphire, no screw down crown but the case doesn't change to accommodate?? Ugh just a cop out from such a huge player that should be better for their asking price. For me, I'm sticking with the micro brands that use their hearts but with better QC and specs.

[@OhDannyBoy2k]

This has been my experience with my 2 JDM Seiko 5 sports models. Great timekeeping, blase bezel action on both. Slight misalignment of chapter ring and bezel on both. I think that's just the way it's going to be.

[@echochambers8418]

I think 99% of ANY Dive Watch is a “Desk Diver”....As far as People Actually Using Them for Diving.They could be Made Watertight to 50Feet and be suitable For Anyone.Basically If it will work in a swimming pool it Covers how Deep Most Wearers Go.

[@WalkingOnWater86]

My dad was a navy diver and wore a seamaster 300 and before all the computer bs a dive watch was a live saving instument thats why it's build for 3 times the depth to make sure it works always! When i get a dive watch i want a ISO certified diver because thats what makes it a diver and thats what the scuba pioneers wore, thats the history and the story behind it!

[@RelativeTime]

Pretty much. There is a cool factor to having a tough as nails watch, but it should be secondary to how much you like the design and feel.

[@echochambers8418]

Oh definitely on both Accounts,I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic or critical.I own Abt 10 different Divers and Several Pilot Watches Plus a Few GMTs and Watches Such as Suuntu with Elevation,Temp etc But don’t really use any of those functions.I also like the Authenticity and Horological Significance That comes with them.I think sometimes Ppl get carried away with things such as 300-500M And will criticize lesser Watches.The Same Ppl Who never go Anywhere near water or Travel in Different Time Zones But Again criticize lesser GMT Watches.

[@RelativeTime]

@@echochambers8418 It's just the difference between what you "need" and what you "want". Nothing wrong with either. Supposedly Deep Blue is sending me something. Odds are it will have some massive water resistance rating. So might be having this discussion again in the other direction next month.

[@echochambers8418]

Relative Time Excellent,I cant wait!!!For the review and any discussion👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍀🍀🍀🍀

[@riverfishing2051]

Totally agree. For $40 more dollars you can get an SRPA21 Padi. I sent my '5 back and got the Padi. Very pleased. I did spend another $75 for a super jubilee bracelet as well, but was perfectly fine with the Padi bracelet. I just like the jubilee style better. Great Channel!

[@andrei-cosmin.popa85]

As someone who's spent hundreds of $ modding skx over and over and all over again, I'm gonna say there's much better alternatives out there. I'm not talking diver certification, since nobody really cares about it. I'm talking value for money, specs & flaws. Instead of throwing that money on them new S5 models, I'd rather get a microbrand piece instead. Thanks for the video 🤙

[@storm3016]

Great review Shane. I think you've summed it all up perfectly, nothing much to add really. I'm not a die-hard SKX fan and I do like how some of these models look, but between the price, the QC issues and the lack of a sapphire crystal they are not getting their hands on my money. Honestly I don't see myself buying another Seiko in the foreseeable future, there's just too much value to be had elsewhere right now. Cheers mate.

[@trevorrambler8458]

Poor QC, Seiko lost my business some time ago. Why they don't seem to care is totally beyond me.

[@possumsam2189]

Becuz their only competition are Mushroom brands and Chinese watches sold only in the digital medium. It's hard to understate their dominance when every shopping mall/retail outlets around the world stocks them (The same goes for Citizen/Casios)

[@M82RKY]

Check out the Heimdallr instead, quality is 10x better than seiko and much cheaper

[@HVG67]

I have 2 SKX's (007/009) and really do not see this as the successor. A successor to me would have been a SKX in the color range as this 5 Sports but with hacking & handwinding and for the love of God: sapphire. Today my Heimdallr 6105 homage arrived and it has all that at half the price! And - surprise- no QC issues: solid bezel and perfectly aligned (in fact a running gag is that you can tell a real SKX from a homage one by the misaligned bezel on the real one). I am a huge Seiko junkie but even I can't close my eyes at some of the apparent cash grabs Seiko does. This feels more like a lateral move to me. It is no surprise that most of my new watches are all micro brands or Seiko homages! In fact the aforementioned Heimdallr sells a SKX homage that has all the specs the real SKX should have and that most modders upgrade their SKX to: hacking, sapphire and lumed bezel (and bonus: solid end looks + milled clasp!) I really think that people that already own a SKX, are not going to get this watered down 5 given the price and lack of heritage... My 2 cents anyway...

[@jesterxfan]

That Heimdallr is going on my wrist as soon as it comes back in stock. It's the evolution the SKX should have followed.

[@brianmsahin]

Love the laid back review style. Just subscribed! I'm late as I only bought an SRPD51K2 (All blue like this with NATO strap.). It just arrived this morning, it's evening now here, and happy to say, a nice running bezel, turns nicely, consistent clicks and no noticeable play on it. Also happily, no misalignment. 🙏🙂 . I just timed it from this morning, against a smartwatch and after 5 hours, it doesn't seem to have lost or gained as yet. I will check at 24 hours but it's OK so far. I saw your video after getting it, so it was a great reference point to check out the possible issues.👍

[@RelativeTime]

Thanks for subbing. Glad I could help. I haven't looks at them in a while, but I'm glad to see the prices have come down.

[@CIP3RM]

I liked the way the old Seiko 5 logo was a badge, and not just printed on there.

[@adrianchoo337]

It's already selling for about 170-190usd where I am. I'm expecting it to settle around there everywhere.

[@andrei-cosmin.popa85]

With that money one can get sapphire, screwed in crown, lumed bezel and proper bracelet and a couple of pizzas 😂

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 I'll just get $190 worth of pizzas honestly

[@davidcoleman2463]

$280 in Canada. I will move on one if it goes under $250 .

[@cy4624]

@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 you can. But you are not getting this Seiko with the original design, brand hx and equity..that's why people prefer and pay >2x price for a skx vs deep blue nato diver despite the objective short comings .they are buying the watch not parts.. Same reason people pay $$$$ for vintage rolex/fifty fathom although newer models have substantially better parts/finish..

[@ZCherish]

All they had to do to the SKX was put the 4R36 in, add some color and theme variation to the line, and polish the metaphorical edges (drilled lugs, metallic index surrounds, etc.). Now, we have to determine how many steps forward we've made versus the steps back. It just makes no sense.

[@saevans63]

Agree 100%

[@RelativeTime]

Makes me wonder if Seiko is trying to get out of the affordable market at times, and just focus on Grand Seiko.

[@HALO-2304]

The drilled lugs and updated movement is a positive, but the reduced water resistance and higher price outweigh the positives. Couple this with the typical Seiko QC issues and it's just disappointing.

[@RelativeTime]

It always seems like Seiko eventually listens to their fans, but then responds in a half ass attempt. Usually for more money.

[@HALO-2304]

@@RelativeTime That's kind of what it seems is going on here. I think they also looked at the modding community and are trying to appeal a little to that base by offering dozens of various models. When and if these new 5's drop below $200, they might actually be appealing. Until then, I'd be looking for the SKX.

[@RelativeTime]

You can also try to make your own SKX. I was checking out some modding parts and was surprised that a few companies actually offer replacement SKX cases. So you really could build a custom one from scratch. Might give that a shot next year just for the heck of it.

[@HALO-2304]

@@RelativeTime I'm tempted to try building an SKX-type watch as well. Maybe someday.

[@paulbateman81]

Got my Pepsi 5kx today from local jewellery shop. Chapter ring is spot on. I only wanted to look at this model as the other colours didn’t interest me so can’t say if the others were off. Everything about the watch is perfect at the price point. Fits my 7 inch wrist spot on.

[@steven3379]

Yes I pretty much agree... I just could never get a SKX, the movement held me back plus they were always between 220.00 - 290.00 when I looked. These 5KX's are looking good, I'm also still tempted by the "bottle cap" too!! Yes the modding is a good idea, just to see if the parts will fit!

[@RelativeTime]

Check out the Irkandiji by MAS. Looks like a Bottle Cap but made with water resistance and sapphire. They should have their production models in soon to sell directly. Supposedly they are sending one that I can check out soon.

[@steven3379]

@@RelativeTime wow thanks for the heads up!

[@andrewsmith680]

Agreed nice watch drilled lugs, exhibition case back but 300.00? A little surprised on Q.C issues from JDM......

[@shaneweightman]

I’ve ordered and paid for one , awaiting delivery, watched lots and lots of reviews, of this watch and your review here has to be the best unbiased honest review worth watching ,, thanks for your time and think I will enjoy my watch when I get it cheers shane 🇬🇧 uk , 209 uk pounds or likely 238 American dollars

[@MikeOBrien1945]

I never bothered with a Seiko 5 for multiple reasons, and this new version does nothing to change my mind. So for me, I’ll pass...and I suspect demand will drop off along with prices. I doubt that this will ever be as big a seller as the original. I’d much rather have an Orient. Thanks for the detailed review.

[@HALO-2304]

To me, the Seiko 5's are a good place to jump into the automatic watch world with relatively inexpensive watches that work.

[@fclachine]

I would have agreed with you until about a year ago. Orient make great watches but cross your fingers that you never need to contact the US Orient customer service. They are literally the worst I have ever experienced. They are unprofessional and disrespectful. A year later, and still no answer.

[@chadr8264]

@@HALO-2304 I fully agree with you, as my first was a Seiko 5 SNK. But get the field watch or a dress watch. There are so many better diver styles out there for that price.

[@HALO-2304]

@@chadr8264 I have the SNZG and it's one of my favorite watches. I also have a Karlskrona Midnattssol. While I don't do any diving, I'd prefer something that's 200m and is a certified diver than something similar looking but half the depth and more money. For the price of the new SKX-style 5s, I'll go elsewhere.

[@wijayaj001]

Yeah with the same price you get more in buying a triton.

[@JRTL20253]

Basically comes down to whether or not you want a watch made for a very specific situation. Or a watch better tailored towards everyday wear.

[@RelativeTime]

This is true. Which may be one reason I liked the Dress-KX that was released a little while after these. Slightly smaller, and the clean bezel make it more of an everyday watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGSun5uKo7dosLc

[@furzkram]

When this movement is kept above 50% wound, it will lose some seconds, it starts to gain when the mainspring tension falls below 50% wound. When worn a lot, the movement gains again. Seems the amplitude getting lower makes it tick faster, keeping it wound up well increases the amplitude and slows it down. At least on my bottlecap that's what I found after loggin the performance over months with keeping notes about when wound, position when not worn, when worn, etc. using the WatchCheck app.

[@Buzbikebklyn1]

I bought my SRPD 59, in orange, with a steel bracelet. I got a good price of $165.00 US. Let me ask a question- When was the last time you went swimming in over 100 meters of water? With every day water proofing is fine. I also have a SKX 007 and 009. Both of them work fine. The SRPDs are very good, and have winding and hackable. Witch the SKX does not have.

[@RelativeTime]

I think the problem a lot of people have with these is more the idea of it as the replacement for the SKX rather then anything to do with the watch itself. Seiko has made plenty "dive style" seiko 5s before, and I don't remember as much of an outcry. That and the price they were debuting at was a bit high, but closer to $200 and under, and it's a great watch for what you are getting. As 100m is perfectly fine for your average person. Heck, I've gone diving with a 100m watch and it was fine. That said, there are still some who don't trust anything that isn't a "true" diver with an iso diver's rating. I don't agree with that, but I've talked to plenty.

[@DavidAragon13]

I picked up a Seiko SRPC91 last week and has been great so far. I saw what the 5 was going to be and the prices aren't really much different and I pulled the trigger and got the Ocean on my wrist. Didn't notice any bezel issues or crazy time differences on my turtle. I might pick up a 5 once the hype is down in a year and see of there's more versions of it coming out. I have a rectangular 5 from the late 70's with a mesh band and that feels great. Good to start seeing some new editions come out.

[@RelativeTime]

Probably a good move. Hard to go wrong with a turtle. Eventually these price will have to come down. Some are saying they already are.

[@jimdog9020]

I wish they had kept both skx models and given them new colour styles for the same price as the seiko 5's. I hate that I can no longer buy the old seiko 5's like the snxs79 or snkl23. Hopefully they will be reissued in the future 🤔🙏

[@ceeb2275]

Ive never had an SKX either. But I've dived with a SNZF17. My Sea Urchin has been down to 40 metres. It's swam in every ocean bar the Pacific. Its taken a metric tonne of abuse. So I don't get hung up about "Dive" or "Dive Style". People need to realise how far down 40 metres actually is. A dive watch might be rated for 200 metres. I'm not. I would have picked a different colourway. But you can't beat a good old Pepsi dial.

[@cosmalas7742]

Yep I've been to 30 m and have no interest in going lower. I'm sure if the rating really is 100 m then there is no problem here

[@ceeb2275]

@@cosmalas7742 While I agree. My worried taking my Hamilton Field Auto anywhere near water. Which is the watch on my wrist 80 % of the time and its rated to 100m

[@77cjam]

QC issues aside I don't see much to complain about here. They don't appeal to me, but I don't expect Seiko to be making anything just to suit what I like. If you want a dive watch pay more for a Seiko Prospex, or an Orient, or take your pick from the plethora of microbrands out there. If you want a decent everyday watch that hand winds, hacks and has a style then I'm sure, despite the complaints, it would suit many

[@muhammadzayed8786]

Watch Movement and durability wise which one would u prefer. The seiko 5kx or Orient kamasu?

[@thomasdavis7375]

Great review. I have a made in Japan SKX009 with a very similar bezel problem. This is something that I’ve looked around online for quite a bit, and you will find no shortage of people with SKXs with “half click” bezel problems. Apparently it is not too difficult a fix for people with some watch maintenance and modding experience, but I’m not brave enough to pry off the bezel myself and take a look. To anyone wondering if a Japan-made Seiko is worth it, unless you really want a kanji day wheel (which I think is actually really cool), you should save a few bucks and buy the overseas-made version instead, because the Japanese ones definitely do not have any superior quality control.

[@possumsam2189]

There really is no reason to go for Seiko now is there? If the QC for Original JDMs ( The supposed creme-de-la-creme of Seiko watches) cannot compete with the 'allegedly' inferior QC of their subsidaries elsewhere.

[@dparis2172]

These watches have already been available for less than $170 in some cases. Soon they will settle under $200, on a more consistent basis, just as most Seiko 5s have traditionally. Pretty amazing, actually, that Seiko can still deliver this line of watches at that price point. I'm a fan of many microbrands but how many sub $200 microbrand watches are out there? Orient also offers great value in this price range but if someone likes the look and fit of the Seiko, then the Orient just won't do, and vice versa. I think it's a good thing to have more options in this market segment and as someone who has actually had the new Seikos in hand, and not just reacting to videos, I can say that they are great watches at $200 and below.

[@RelativeTime]

I was actually amazed at how fast the prices came down. I was expecting 6 months maybe a year. Yet I saw a number on black friday sales around $170. I was actually tempted to get one of the green textured ones.

[@biscuitsalive]

I’ve got one. Very happy with it. Build quality is fantastic. And 100m is more than I will need so it’s not an issue.

[@davidcoleman2463]

They were on sale in Canada for $280 this week . ( Nov 2019 ) I tried one on. I liked it . I think they will even get cheaper so I will get one in the new year.

[@RelativeTime]

I think the price will continue to drop. I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up being $200 or less by this time next year.

[@ShyamKumar1968]

I liked 5KX. This was my first mechanical watch. I was using Citizen eco drive and Casio G shock until I purchased 5KX. Surprisingly it’s accurate ( 2 seconds in two days!). Nice fit on the wrist. Lume is stunning. However I dont see Japan written anywhere on the watch.

[@nightoy]

interesting video, thanks for sharing. Still hesitating between this one and an SKX009, your thoughts?

[@RelativeTime]

They are pretty similar in look and feel on the wrist, but SKX is a real deal diver. Although you get the better movement here. So depends on how often you plan to get it wet. Unfortunately since they have been discontinued prices have sky rocketed. Which makes them much less worth it. Another option would be some of the SKX homages that are out there. Check out some of the Islander watches.

[@christianwilliams4795]

Still not a replacement for 013 though... I have a tiny 6 1/2 or 6 3/4 wrist so anything with a diameter over 40mm looks excessive.

[@RelativeTime]

Can't really think of many below 40. Though check out the Orient Kamasu. The Slender Wirst recently did a review of it where he mentions how it compares to the SKX013. You can find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ3HaGafj9SJebs Although make sure you watch my review of it first: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKe8mYSqhpWchK8 😎 (if nothing else the intro is worth it)

[@davidcoleman2463]

I wear a 38 mm . Tops. I tried one of these on the other day. I was surprised. Even at 42.5 mm it looked good. Try one on .

[@quantametric]

Personally I think this is the first watch from any brand that has really gotten the aesthetics right. The geometry and angles in the dial, that bold logo, and the 50's font on 'Automatic'.. it's beautiful. I don't like the look of most watches, this one grabbed my attention immediately and I'm buying the one with the dark grey case because of it. Any qc issues, i'll just request a replacement.

[@bastieniezzi6539]

I got the citizen fugu promaster NY0081-10L instead of the skx, and couldn’t be happier with my choice. A good alternative to the skx instead of these new seiko 5. I am a Seiko fan as well.

[@surfitli]

A very fair review. Definitely not an SKX Replacement. As you said, this falls inline with other modern Seiko 5 Sport Models. All the 5 Sport Models have pull-out crowns so no surprise here. Seiko needs t get there QC issues resolved. I have a SKX007 with a very misaligned chapter ring. Even worse, there are higher end Seikos with the same problem. I have been lucky with most of my Seiko’s. I can sure understand why so many have become cautious of purchasing them. Right now, it’s not worth the going price. So many better options for the $300-$350 range including Real Seiko Divers. The Made in Japan Models unfortunately have the same issues as the K1 Models. It’s total personal option if it’s worth the extra money. The only true replacement for the SKX is going to be another Seiko ISO Diver with 4:00 crown and Day/Date. I have heard Seiko probably will release another diver, but it’s speculation at his point.

[@RelativeTime]

Seiko used to be like Honda for watches. Not necessarily exciting, but rock solid quality for a good price. These days I'm starting to think they have lost their way. Or they really are trying to ditch the affordable market and focus on Grand Seiko. Another option is to make your own SKX. I was looking into modding something and ran across a few companies that sell full replacement skx cases. So you really could build one from scratch. Might make the attempt next year.

[@surfitli]

Relative Time there are now homages of he SKX. Deep Blue has been making one for a few years, the NATO Diver. It actually outspecs the SKX and this 5. 300m wr ,sapphire, and the NH36 for $150 with the “Deep” code. My guess is that the affordable watch market has changed so much that Seiko wants to concentrate more on the high end. Personally, I think it’s very unfortunate. Seiko rencently also discontinued the Marinemaster 600m Spring Drive. It basically got replaced by the Prospex LX 300m Diver. The Marinemaster is around $1400 less for a watch with the same movement.

[@RelativeTime]

@@surfitli Don't forget the new watch from Long Island. Looks like a customized SKX.

[@nw7053]

Great video. Will it suitable for my 17 cm wrist? Or too big? As now I'm using 37cm SNK807.

[@RelativeTime]

I think it would be ok. I think I'm about 18cm if that helps. A lot of it is really what feels right to you. I've heard from people with slim wrists who love larger watches, as well as 20cm wrists who stick to under 40.

[@Peter-2704]

I think you pretty much nailed it. I like them but would wait until the supply drives the price down. The bezel action sounds just like my 007 so no real improvement there. I have been rented to pop it off and try and adjust the click spring ring. Good looking watches, needed updated movement but the price needs to come down.

[@jayh549]

Shane, thanks for the great review and thanks for putting your money out there so that I can spend mine more wisely. Bravo! Oh yeah, my vote is for modding the watch. Cheers.

[@saevans63]

I don’t understand “diver style” watches. I’ve got an SKX which I’m very happy with so I can’t see myself buying one of these watches.

[@Chillboy-uy5dr]

Well, there's a lot of people like me who really like this style of watches, but don't dive. I mean, how many submariner owners are actually diving with it?

[@brinx8634]

Thanks Shane, I think your analysis is spot on. again.

[@refugiosilva6060]

This is pushing me towards Marc's (Long Islander) release... no lume on the bezel for these models >;-)+

[@RelativeTime]

That's potentially another. There are just so many options out there. Including a few SKX homages like from Deep Blue or Heimdallr.

[@jasons6344]

Recently purchased my first SKX and absolutely love it. Other than the hacking and hand winding I like it more than my Turtle. These new ones are higher than the SKX if you know where to shop. Personally I’d buy the true SKX first and then maybe one of the new ones.

[@TheShotenZenjin]

The classic, iconic SKXs still widely available, cheaper than these Seiko 5 fashion watches by some margin. What has always been the great allure of the SKXs was being able to own a little bit of horological history at a very affordable price. The only possible appeal of these watches over the SKX is their 4r36 engine. However, the 7s26 is a very reliable, robust and comparatively accurate movement that will last for many years. If worn regularly, the lack of hand winding and hacking is not an issue. And for the average or smaller-wristed, the wonderful SKX013 just cannot be beaten!

[@RelativeTime]

My issue with the 7s26 is just that, if worn regularly. I switch watches so often it's a little bit of a hassle (not really much mind you). But I've said in the past it's great if it's your primary watch. I actually have the same issue with the Kinetics. I wore one for the longest time, and still have it. But it's perpetually dead. Even if I wear it for a day (and put up with the double tick all day) it only builds charge for a few days. So again kinetics are great if it's your primary watch.

[@kevinmateus6702]

Won't give up on them, it is just if I have an opportunity to pick up the watch by myself to inspect it, I would definitely doing that, bought 3 Seiko online this year, 2 of them were lemons...

[@RelativeTime]

That might be the best advice. Either be able to see if first hand, or don't buy from a place that is dificult to return to.

[@JosephVice]

Have you seen Long Island Watch new "Islanders?"

[@RelativeTime]

I have. They are a little pricey, but sort of like a modded out skx. He did a good job on them.

[@Mondi1911]

Hello, great video as usual sir, regarding the bezel problem, it really just sounds like one of the two bezel springs is probably flattened for a reason or another. So you get a full click for the spring that is bent as it should, and a half click for the spring that is flatter and as such can not really reach the bezel grooves. In other words, it is a very easy fix and it just requires poping the bezel off and bending the spring, or replacing it. The watch looks great, but i cant get over the lack of a screwdown crown on this case shape.

[@RelativeTime]

That's what I was thinking, that one of them wasn't tall enough to stop the backplay let alone get the same tactile feel. So if I keep it, that will be my first fix. And If I'm taking the bezel off, I might as well mod it to a lumed one as well.

[@Mondi1911]

@@RelativeTime let the DIY begin! Please make a video about the mod if you go deeper than bezel insert with it! Curios if skx parts fit.

[@darrensmith6999]

I think the price is a stumbling point here , the Seiko 5 has been the base watch that got people into the hobby with their first Automatic watch. I love Seiko they are my favourite brand but i cant help but think they have shot them selves in the foot here. The QC at this price should be loads better in my opinion. Nice one Shane. Ps cant help admiring the beautiful watch stand you use in your videos did you make it yourself?

[@RelativeTime]

I wish. My woodworking skills are a joke. I actually got it off amazon. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071QXDGQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b

[@RickDeckardMemories]

I just bought Seiko "Flightmaster". The dial (and I am assuming the entire quartz mechanism, because it has subdials) is misaligned - approximately one second counterclockwise. 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ My lifestyle makes returns/exchanges very complicated 😠😡🤬 I think at some point I will try to open the back and see what can be done. Anyone tried to fix something like that? Do you guys know if/how this quartz mechanism is sitting/secured inside?

[@christianwilliams4795]

Now they just need to make an 013 replacement. Seriously it is the quintessential Dive watch for small wrists

[@RelativeTime]

Very true. So far I can't think of anything like the 013 sizewise.

[@davidcoleman2463]

Me too . I want a smaller one.

[@RelativeTime]

@@davidcoleman2463 I heard that Long island might be making a 013 version of his islander.

[@TheRealMafoo]

The big problem I have with these, is I want a Grand Seiko. They are amazing watches. However the only way I can justify owning one, is if I don't lose thousands when I am ready to sell. I was hoping the whole point of discontinuing the SKX, and releasing this watch, was to bump the quality up a bit, and start shifting into a higher quality brand. Nope. How can I have any confidence that people will ever look at Grand Seiko for the incredible watches they are, when Seiko keeps putting their name on junk like this?

[@possumsam2189]

That is why those in the hobby normally buy GS 2nd-hand after the depreciation hits, for better or worse.

[@BH-ModernTimes]

The only Seiko I ever had, was Seiko 5 about three decades ago, which was a cheap, low(er) quality nice looking watch. And nothing really changed. Except price, which is based on "old days" hype, when fiver was the only affordable automatic. On the other hand, are there considerably better alternatives in 350$ range? Not really, I think. As I don't like "pretending diver" design in general, I'll leave at that. There is Seiko, and there is Grand Seiko... and the gap is huge in every aspect! Good review -as always :-)

[@TheRealMafoo]

Nice review. Just a comment on the editing... at around 12:40, the color starts shifting. Not sure if that's KZbin compression or something else you can't control, but I thought I would let you know, in case it's something you can correct for in the future :)

[@RelativeTime]

Thanks. It's happened a few times. It might be a setting on the camera. I've set the ISO, but might be the auto white balance. I'll try fixing it to a single point next time.

[@krobson4849]

I also have a Pepsi 5KS. I like it a lot for casual don't worry about it wear,;and am okay the with trade offs to have a new watch, with a much better movement. I might consider a used Turtle at a future time.

[@Jaycelestra]

I actually like the new 5kx... they’re cool and durable...

[@RelativeTime]

Once the price settles down I think they will do well. If someone really cares they can buy a aftermarket case and put it in for more water resistance.

[@stavros_katsopr]

Personaly i only liked skx (now 5kx, tomorrow 5xx, 5skx, 555x, i don't give a damn LOL) just for those boat balloon indices. Oh boy, what a water park indeed!!! As for specs, never was, never will be special. Maybe mod guys got their toy stolen, they'll get used to it soon, trust me. Only downside for me is the printed "5" logo. The new one is as you describe it a wtf thing, plus i did like a lot the old one - reminded me of a police badge from the 70's... will be much missed! / can not even figure out why most old seikos had printed "seiko" and 3d "5" logo and now is the opposite!!!??? PS. FFS Shane, that maroon colour strap is superb on almost any watch! Just to say that my girl loves this colour and i keep on telling her its ugly......!!!!!!! Trying to make me buy one and get in trouble, ain't ya...???

[@armandojuan64]

There is a bezelless 40 mm version of the 5KX , just entering the market .

[@RelativeTime]

I've saw that. Haven't looked at them yet in too much detail, at least not yet. I'm assuming they are still a bit overpriced at full retail.

[@77cjam]

It's pretty clear this is Seiko making an attempt to capture some of the Fashion brand crowd. Despite what that watch community thinks of brands like DW, they are massive and they sell. I know sometimes it's hard for a watch enthusiast to accept something hasn't been brought out specifically for them, but I think Seiko should be applauded for taking on the fashion brands with these releases 👍

[@RelativeTime]

Very good point. For some people there is nothing worse than being "ignored". Which is partly why I think there is so much hate for MVMT as well as Shinola. As their focus isn't on enthusiasts, but mere mortals.

[@SrJonAnthony]

Wow first time I've personally agreed with everything for any reviewer. Except the logo, I do prefer the applied 5badge, lol. 13min of concise informed intellectual remarks, points and ideas, with great shots and angles. Great job! Please wipe that bottlecap for its macros please? ⌚🔬🙈

[@internettroll7497]

Was waiting for your review. Watch therapy.

[@gregwalker4236]

i have the skx with that 7s36 movement, but it is not in rotation cause i can't wind it with that silly shaker movement. i do wear my turtle with the winding movement and wear it almost daily as well as the newer tuna with solar movement. i'm following the new seiko 5 sense model with the green treatment. thanks!

[@RelativeTime]

How do you like the solar tuna? Looked at them, but concerned it might be too big.

[@gregwalker4236]

i have the padi model and love it. it seems smaller on the wrist, and lighter with solar movement. i may change the poly/rubber strap as i did on the turtle, but not right away as it looks/matches the case guard spot on. if anything, the metal keeper for strap looks great, but can dig into the wrist....

[@marcelodietrich8674]

Another well done video! Thank you for your great content! Why are people referring to the new Seiko 5's as "5KX"? It's kind of silly, in my opinion. Keep up the great work!

[@martin4374]

When people spend more on the "Made in Japan" versions of any Seiko, and are surprised by a flaw *surprised Pikachu face*

[@RelativeTime]

😎 At this point I don't think it means much anymore. I was trying to find out what the requirements but couldn't find anything concrete. The few things that I ran across but couldn't confirm were surprising. Such as as long as the movement was assembled in Japan it could be called that. Or it could be made in another country, but as long as the manager was Japanese. So who knows.

[@SrJonAnthony]

@@RelativeTime whoa really??!! The belief in japanese quality may in some way help bring back some truth to itself. Can we at least just believe a little longer?? At least until i sell my jdm's? Then its whatever...

[@RelativeTime]

@SrJonAnthony Not 100% sure on that, but that's what some have suggested.

[@SrJonAnthony]

@@RelativeTime ahhh, so ur teln me thers a chance. That its all just rumors, lol 🤞

[@HVG67]

So funny: all my Seiko's are K models and until now none of them has had any QC issues. I never found that I had to spend any more just to get JDM..

[@wick-trimmer1980]

It's really a shame about the QC. This not news to Seiko. Do they just not care? I would'nt have thought this QC was something I'd see on a JDM Seiko. Thanks for the honest review.

[@possumsam2189]

Still waiting patiently for the Reef Tiger review...

[@RelativeTime]

Its coming... I think. Had some "technical difficulties" with it. Tried getting some good footage, but it's one of the most reflective watches I've run across. And I'm not sure I want to make anyone watch 10 minutes of glare. I'm going to try again this weekend. But if that doesn't work I have another idea. I have another watch that's sort of in the same boat. So I might just put them together and do 2 really short reviews in one video focusing on the most important points. Rather than one detailed review for each.

[@saintdave1877]

Good advice , Shane . Keep your powder dry and they will start to settle in price , especially when Amazon and other online retailers start undercutting the bricks and mortar stores. I recently bought the baby monster orange on a rubber strap and paid £150 for it , the baby ice monster is still £300 because it still gets a lot of airtime on KZbin etc.

[@jeffreyalbarandorivera8595]

I am waiting that 5KX dial in the aftermarket sale to replace on my SKX.

[@RelativeTime]

Sooner or later I'm sure some will pop up.

[@alonsorivas8648]

A greeting to all, very good channel, in my opinion the bezel must have been like that of the seiko bottlecap, with a finer touch.

[@TheWheelofLife100]

I couldn’t wait and bought 2 ,did I pay to much ,absolutely, was it worth it......

[@RelativeTime]

Where did you order them from?

[@TheWheelofLife100]

Relative Time ... didn’t order them, just walked into a watch/jewellery store and there they were.

[@wpherigo1]

Well said. Very fair. Sorry to hear you got a 60.5 click bezel!

[@hans.lankamp]

I'm still a bit salty there was no skx013 replacement. Now I'm trying to find an skx015 (pepsi) and an skx017 (orange) on eBay to complete my mid-size diver collection.

[@RelativeTime]

I can think of a few 40, but not too many other 38mm divers.

[@barretpedersen]

Good review, love how you snuck in a Zelos.

[@morrispate1936]

A quick Amazon look. Very easy to find Seiko 200m, automatic, dive watches, for the same prices. Even less, in some cases. Some Japanese, some not. But still....

[@RelativeTime]

Very true. Some of these 5KXs have dropped to around $150-$200. Which is much more appropriate for what you are getting. But for a little bit more you can get a real diver.

[@Akshaykumar-bs9ml]

I go "All in" One would call my move a "Bluff" One would fold, not worth taking the risk. One would actually predict or guess my card. One would try to taunt me "You dont have the Nuts (term for the best hand in poker), this is not your table or your game" Last one would risk it all like me, getting close to feeling of being alive when you risk it all, wanting to feel something real, that addictive feeling of gambling. After all life is a gamble. The pot is set at high stakes, the cards remained revealed, the Dealer (Life) places the River (Last card) on the table, flips it and the sounds of sighs and chuckles fill the atmosphere. My hand beats them all with a pair of Duces (a par with 2's). I Reach for the chips and walk out immediately to cash in. That moment The Dealer (Life) asks "That was bold playing it all in like that, how did you know the River (Last card) would save you?" I reply "I dint, i always bet on Shane.." (Thanks as always for your amazing content)

[@RelativeTime]

Wow! Thank you! Very well written, I was wondering where you were going with it. 👍

[@torsvaghavfiske2528]

You have a hypnotic voice, but when you say the first issue is the unsigned crown and then say its not your main issue, I get confused?

[@RelativeTime]

I'd have to rewatch to remember exactly what I said. Yet I think I meant it's the first issue to talk about. Yet not the biggest issue.

[@TinBin-Craig]

nice review i was going get one of these am not sure now here in uk there £218 on amazon cheers

[@stripeyco]

Post sticker shock. Great video. Not buying one. Still wearing my Phoibos PX002C. Which your review caused money to part from my wallet.

[@StefaanVdV1961]

this is the first time that i'm really disappointed in Seiko, in this price range micro brands are much better

[@nirmalagarwal9307]

Micro brand ?? Can u Name

[@StefaanVdV1961]

@@nirmalagarwal9307 hallo Nirmal, this is just 1 example: www.deepbluewatches.com/nadi300audib.html

[@vuexiong8976]

Saw these new 5s at macys. They are sexy in person. I'm already waiting for a mark down and planning to grab two. The cream dial and blue bezel blue dial model

[@RelativeTime]

Good to know. How much were they selling them for? They did a good job with some of those really cool dial colors and textures.

[@davidcoleman2463]

I am going to get the cream dial in black. The silicone strap is really nice . Great watch for pool parties and the beach . I am waiting for them to come down in cost .

[@oldiesfreek]

They didn't even bother to add a lumed pip on the bezel for that price. Nope for me. I'm happy with my SKX007J :)

[@RelativeTime]

I was a little surprised at that.

[@oldiesfreek]

@@RelativeTime Yeah, well, they obviously tried to pull fast one there... and there will be suckers unfortunately 😅

[@JayPacKay]

For that Price i would buy a turtle or a Samurai. Good review

[@VersedNJ]

Or a Sumo and other new releases which not perfect, nothing is are far better watches at a significant cost. His vendor he mentioned is good and responsible off shore dealer who is known in Singapore have dealt with them in the past. They get you the product inside of 3 days with included shipping, asked a few questions and accounting for time differences (they're almost half way around the world) answer promptly. Checked prices elsewhere and they are cheaper than most, a little higher then others, but don''t have to wait 10 days to 2 weeks for product. I have no inclination on buying the new 5's. I'm also sure if you ask for them to check the watch prior to shipment they will, they're out for repeat customers. Otherwise arrives sealed with like a NATO and pouch tossed in.

[@iancxy1805]

Everyone is talking about the price. Its sold less than 190 USD in Malaysia. I dont think I can get turtle with this price point.

[@harjinderthind]

In Canada, they are selling for $300 which is about $215 US. Is the good price for these new Seiko 5 or should I wait for these to go under $200

[@JayPacKay]

@@iancxy1805 well not everybody lives in Malaysia. And in Europe i can buy a turtle or samurai for the same Price as Seiko 5.

[@RelativeTime]

@Harjinder Thind I'd personally wait for them to go under $200 US. That point they are the same price as other Seiko 5s.

[@StephenTomko]

Sorry, Seiko doesn't have a QC problem. They don't care...

[@RelativeTime]

So they have become the Honey Badger of watches? 😎

[@biscuitsalive]

My version bezel is solid and precise by the way. (I did a video about my model, the SRPD65K4 if u want to have a look )

[@biscuitsalive]

Mine doesn’t say “made in japan” on the face :/ Makes me wonder.

[@RelativeTime]

I think mine is just a dud. I talked to someone else who had a JDM version and his is solid as well.

[@1968jpy]

Owning a Seiko Sea Urchin and a Seiko Land Shark 🦈 I definitely prefer the older Seiko 5 logo better.

[@RelativeTime]

How do you like the Land Shark. I've been curious about that one for a while.

[@1968jpy]

@@RelativeTime it’s really an incredible watch . I’m actually surprised this isn’t a Seiko Prospex watch . It’s that good and highly recommend.

[@countvertigo1788]

Nice review.. but the large gloves is kinda awkward to look at..

[@RelativeTime]

Well hard to get ones that fit perfectly. I use them primarily to keep the smudges down to a minimum.

[@Andrew-J316]

Oh great! They keep everything the same on the outside except for lug location! Reminds me of when phone manufacturers change the power input type or audio port! Thankfully modders don't have to upgrade the movement though! Markers are also applied as opposed to painted which is nicer. Still...the successor to the SKX seems to have lost its spirit is some way.

[@RelativeTime]

I'm really curious as to why they did that. Supposedly strap code is working on a spring bar to cope with it. At least per this review of it. watchclicker.com/2019/09/30/seiko-5kx/

[@marchills4131]

A $300 pretend diver with only a 100 meter water resistance rating, hollow end links, pressed clasp, hardlex crystal and major QC issues? And Seiko considers 60 and a half clicks with major back play "within spec"? Thank you sincerely for taking one for the team here, but my vote goes squarely in the "No Thank You Seiko" column.

[@danemain7859]

While I appreciate the upgraded movement, Im not very impressed with the over all, and the 100m water resistance is a deal breaker for me...I just picked up an 'Islander' from Long Island Watch, and love it...it's what an upgraded skx should be.

[@RelativeTime]

That looks like what mark was going for. I was initially skeptical, but Ive heard they are quite nice. I love how he lumed the logo.

[@danemain7859]

@@RelativeTime yeah, that's the kind of detail I expected from him...Sapphire glass, upgraded movement, the lume is super bright, bezel action is great, and the oyster style bracelet is so comfortable...I would highly recommend it...great videos by the way!

[@jorgeescalona7514]

Exelente reseña , un hermoso reloj , se ve mejor con las nato, hermoso dial, estoy esperando que me llegue, saludos desde Chile.

[@poleatsky89]

thank you shane for the review, i think seiko is going the wrong way. they give you less watch for more money, i hope they will turn around some day, i prefer the real skx any day. check out the new 2019 promaster automatic from citizen, i think you might like it.

[@trp6062]

polish?

[@deanspeer1]

Great review. Orient makes better watches so go that way IMHO.

[@possumsam2189]

Orient makes the same quality watches and they are wholly owned by Seiko. If you want better quality, you have to go to the top

[@deanspeer1]

@@possumsam2189 Orient is run as a separate company. Epson owns both brands but Orient has better quality control. Again just my opinion.

[@williamo.2519]

Love my Bambino.

[@kenkellar2246]

SKX forever!!!

[@shaneweightman]

I prefer my parnis over the 5sports , QC is better , sapphire and ceramic bezel , and a quarter of the price cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@RelativeTime]

Always good to talk to another Shane. That says a lot. Which Parnis do you have? I've been looking at ordering one to review.