The Pistol Grip Only Shotgun - The Perfect Home Defense Tool?

Mossberg revealed their new "Shockwave" PGO shotgun at SHOT Show 2017 and Ian questioned their home defense claims in this video:
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We received a lot of comments that he was a bit harsh with his questions along with the recurring claim that the PGO shotgun is an excellent home defense weapon.
In this video we tested a PGO, a standard stocked shotgun and a SxS hammered coach gun on the clock via a few different scenarios to attempt to determine the best answer.
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[@Moose_Hawkins]

The coach gun's also great if you get stuck on Mars and have to fight a bunch of demons.

[@gremlinwithgun7527]

**HEAVY ROCK INTENSIFIES**

[@prestonsamson3674]

Nadana I. Rahman it’s *HEAVY METAL INTENSIFIES*

[@Seb-Storm]

Don't forget you have to fire both barrels at the same time Edit: btw not Mars but Mars' moons

[@JGSH13]

Was playing doom today!!

[@LecherousLizard]

Rip and tear, bois. Rip and tear.

[@kurtbergh]

Those pockets hold a pretty good amount of shells, though. Bathrobes are more tactical than l've previously thought.

[@Porty1119]

Kurt Bergh I've got a Wrangler work jacket that will easily conceal a full combat load of AR magazines. It cracks me up.

[@nathanb1084]

I think you meant tacticool. Right?

[@tamlandipper29]

I rock my coyote tan tactical bathrobe.

[@manatee5936]

I can store my 1911, knife, extra mags, phone and flask in my bathrobe pockets comfortably. Very tactical, lol.

[@BusterHuggs]

Need a Tac-tleneck a la Sterling Archer.

[@TheTundraTerror]

Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended Four ruffians break into my house "What the devil??" as I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle Blow a golf ball sized hole in the first man, he's dead on the spot Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's a smooth bore and nails the neighbor's dog Have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot "Tally ho lads!"...the grape shot shreds to men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms Fix my bayonet and charge the last rapscallion Man bleeds out waiting for police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up Just as the founding fathers intended

[@tiedeman39]

Best copypasta

[@AgentTasmania]

First comment with upvotes I’ve seen around here that could be construed as in favour of the concept of limiting access to weaponry

[@DonKeediks]

Pro sarcasm

[@johngifford7725]

Not to adulterate ancient internet memes, but you really need a line or two with a cutlass.

[@MichaelEMaus]

@@johngifford7725 Pikes and halberds are a thing.

[@madkvideo]

My whole family died during the home invasion But that pistol grip shotgun made me look SO COOL

[@eldsprutandedrake]

Double barrel shoutgun is the coolest shotgun by far, no pumpaction, shaw-off, pistolgrip, revolving thing or whatever comes even close! Don't know exactly where I got that from, but I think your picture has something to do with it :D

[@madkvideo]

@@eldsprutandedrake hell yeah brother

[@acrock21]

@@eldsprutandedrake the gangsters use to do it so they could fit a shotgun in their trench coats

[@VladiSSius]

Including your rabbit pet?

[@acrock21]

@@Muster_Muckee_II hold my beer!

[@lancerd4934]

"I shoot a shotgun about as much as the average person who is buying a shotgun for home defense" - that is to say, not at all

[@williamjeffersonclinton69]

Really? I for one really enjoy going out with my gauge and shoot magnum buckshot and slugs through my Winchester 1300. I am close to the round count with my Winnie as I am with my AR and AK.

[@williamjeffersonclinton69]

@Steve Campbell nice. I never done hunting with my gauge. I have a Henry 45-70 for that. Skeet is fun. I never done it with an over under or a side by side, always pump action.

[@brucekendall9873]

I for one have not shot a single gun, but because this is KZbin, and you cannot validate a single fucking thing I'm saying, shotgun better.

[@Fcreveryoung]

Bryson B Join a 4H club and learn safety and stuff and meet neat people who like to shoot. Everyone should give it a go. That’s part of how I learned way back when

[@Chance57]

I bought a supernova for HD. The first gun I bought after my first, a Sig p320. With the Sig, I went to the range maybe 4 times a year to knock the rust off. So I got the supernova, and once I didn't think it'd need much practice, but I took it once and fell in love. For the first year, I probably made it to the range 45-50 times with it. It took me from a pragmatic owner who really only even got a firearm to flex my right, to a nut, but just with the supernova. I'd not go so far as to call myself a specialist, but I've been jokingly called the resident shotgun surgeon. definitely not your average response, but shotgun for home defense is fine and usually memed too much.

[@gretah3969]

Maybe Mossberg should market the Shockwave not as "The best home defense shotgun" but rather as "A 26.5" middle finger to the NFA."

[@LieutenantTbone]

That murdered me laughing

[@paulwhite959]

It needs to have that famous picture of Johnny Cash flipping off the camera on the box.

[@HiVoltish]

and I have only two fingers to give.....

[@xmm-cf5eg]

That would sell me on it.

[@hoss2060]

Honestly I would buy it about twice as fast

[@cbrown596]

"We borrowed these from a Hi Point collector." •thows them on the floor after shooting•

[@gregc107]

Agreed, you would never borrow from me again...lol!!

[@awesomechainsaw]

Guns are designed to hold up to the force of being shot. Throwing them on the ground is nothing

[@LukeMcMullin]

That is exactly what I thought, I bet he doesn't lend them any more.

[@GunsNGames1]

@@awesomechainsaw I don't think he would do the same at an FG-42.

[@benjamindowling9013]

@@awesomechainsaw it's about respect for someone else's property.

[@walt9327]

I love how Ian is just chilling, looking cool as a cucumber, with his bathrobe, and his shades, and his sick ass hat, and Karl is so fiery, leaning in, waving his hands, quick drawing a shotgun adamantly ready to fistfight any man who dares support a PGO shotgun. Their dynamic together is the #1 reason that I ALWAYS watch InRange when I see both of them in the thumbnail.

[@ivyssauro123]

Yes, such great chemistry

[@davidorlin3499]

I'm a first time visitor and I love the inter action between the two of you and the content of your video. Excellent job Guys! 🤗

[@parabellumpro1]

"I would take a Type 94 Nambu over______" is a strong statement in any situation.

[@ironraccoon3536]

I would take a Type 94 Nambu over an Automag V.

[@ezequielz7]

35:50

[@thesayxx]

... a Taurus to accidentally ND myself to death.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

I'd take a Type 94 Nambu over a Taurus, Kel-Tec, or Hi Point.

[@royperkins3851]

Single shot muzzle loading derringer!Ha ha ha

[@diversityisourstrength5279]

Wait let me get this right, are you telling me being able to AIM increases your chances of hitting a target?

[@mcintoshpc]

nope he’s lying

[@Mirageknight2133]

Shotgun stocks are a conspiracy for walnut and polymer manufacturers

[@tonytortora3660]

Big walnut lol

[@redactedcanceledcensored6890]

nah, just fire 2 blasts in the air, especially with a double-barrel

[@KurtisStell]

Is it easier for anyone or someone who has practiced specifically that technique extensively? "LOOK IT UP"?? Have you tried it?

[@GHDEFIANT]

I love Ian's slow contemplation of Karl: "Is is worthless?" Ian: "... ... yes."

[@thesuit4820]

Carl may be more experienced with shotguns, but Ian is clearly more skilled at wearing a dressing gown.

[@user-ef4gf7rr9r]

Carl's waist is just a higher caliber

[@robertfrapples2472]

I'm sure they take turns.

[@dlew223]

It’s all fun and games for the intruder until he notices he’s in front of the a-10 warthog I parked in my living room

[@JumpMasterJef]

Now that's just being silly, surely you'd remove the GAU-8 from the A-10 (Or really, remove the A-10 from the GAU-8) and just mount that nicely in your room.

[@SmilingDevil]

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE and it’ no fun anymore after you have to clean him off your garage, and your next door neighbours wall, or what’s left of that...

[@magmat0585]

*Brrrrrt intensifies*

[@Alexkeys141]

KaShuto “or really remove the a-10 from the GAU-8” the most accurate statement I’ve heard about the a 10 in a while 😂😂

[@Alexkeys141]

John La Duke I’m pretty sure if you can afford to have a GAU-8 your living room has to be pretty fucking big

[@benb6827]

Bath robe makes this vid 100x better.

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

totally

[@sleepings0ul356]

Absolutely.

[@Mirageknight2133]

Invariably

[@badkingjohn5235]

The Title Should Read : Two Guys One Bathrobe

[@CeeKayz0rz]

You, sir, win the internet today.... (Or, 1 year ago, according to the timestamp)

[@ianthompson2802]

That's the version on pornhub

[@hikids7189]

oh no...

[@killer1963daddy]

Do they share underware too?

[@therealgaragegirls]

One of my favorite gay porns.

[@randomdude6249]

Fact : A coach gun officially becomes couch gun once it’s used for home defense

[@notahotshot]

What if you're a coach, on a couch, with a cup in a koozie, on a coaster?

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

A coach gun is a coach brand shotgun

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

Actually, I think I was mistaken, believe they're named after stagecoaches

[@randomdude6249]

@@kimkillillasfuq8212 Yes, “coach guns” were used to defend stagecoaches carrying important cargo, or even gold or money, from robbers. This is also how the term “riding shotgun” came to be, since coach guns were placed next to the driver (I don’t think that’s really the correct term) of the coach.

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

@@randomdude6249 I always thought coach was an actual brand name tho

[@jamessawley213]

I laughed when Ian shot the shorty and it said Average: DEAD

[@jobRobbemond]

Average: 100% less dead

[@nathanrorke2221]

In the double barrel's defence, if three intruders break into your house and you waste two of his buddies the third guy probly isn't gonna stick around

[@fien111]

And if you're the third guy...I feel like chance has smiled on you enough. Take my 40 inch LCD so long as you leave me in peace. I'll give you 90 seconds to try, it's a gentleman's agreement. If not, risk another load of 00 buck, your choice

[@mg4956]

They also make triple barreled shotguns.

[@lucius_caecillius]

but at that point why not just use an auto-loader?

[@lemeres2478]

I think it is fairly valid to question whether the third guy would have the chance to even realize you only have two barrels. When two of my buddies just got blasted with a shotgun... I am not sticking around to examine the ammo count. There are enough shotguns with more shots than that to make it too risky to bother. It might be too dark to see the gun either.

[@NBFaded2497]

If the third guy doesn't leave you can flip the gun around and beat them with it. ;)

[@Dregkar]

You can see Ian get progressively more pissed the more he has to shoot the PGO

[@Anomaly188]

Probably because his hand was going numb from repeated impacts to the palm and he knew once he got feeling back his hand would be in pain for days after.

[@codyjackalope8464]

This told me a chiappa tripple threat or an autoloader is the best bet

[@shorttimer874]

@@Anomaly188 From experience, you don't get the recoil effect on the palm, it's all absorbed by the web between the thumb and the forefinger (unless someone has figured a solution for that in the decades since I tried it) even using a padded ski glove didn't help.

[@delvik2848]

He has the shades to hide the shame.

[@Lugermonger35]

Ian 9:07 "had a little fiddly with the thing there" Love hearing a Gun Guru say something like that lol

[@wolfinndnclothing]

Doo Dads be fiddly sometimes.

[@ShawarmaFarmer]

Pssh, all you need for home defence if you don't have a side by side, pump action or semi auto shotgun is a Brown Bess. Miss your shot and you've got black powder smoke screen cover that'll give you time to relocate and plug bayonet for liberation of homestead

[@Fireclaws10]

kevin dao AFFIX BAYONETS!

[@brandon3883]

Charlton Heston approves of this message.

[@phantomspaceman]

But you would need an off-hand howdah to fire the Biden warning shot into the ceiling.

[@MrLM002]

I'd take a brown bess with the buck n ball load and if I got Access to a military grade IR scope I'd put it on top so I can see through the smoke and the darkness.

[@phantomspaceman]

You're doing it wrong, you put a bayonet on the end and stab wildly at the target while it's still blinded. If you're looking at an IR scope you either aren't loading or aren't stabbing enough.

[@Ueberdoziz]

*YEA THAT'S RIGHT, EMBRACE THE SUCC THERE!* - Ian, 2k17

[@dacoobob]

this is one of the best InRange videos ever

[@InrangeTv]

I agree.

[@bankotsu2a]

@@InrangeTv "Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!" 😆 👍

[@michaelc.4321]

Modern firearm innovations aren’t driven by engineers, but by lawyers

[@psquire45]

More likely by marketing teams

[@Bobdixon_Moonvarga_Dancer_III]

I’d say the ATF with their arbitrary and byzantine rules drives innovation for gun companies to invent work arounds, such as pistol braces and the birds head grip.

[@youngminds2384]

Lawyers driving innovations are actually patent lawyers... and most of them are qualified engineers, first.

[@FirstNameLastName-kt3zn]

And politicians

[@InvaderKaz2008]

There's a great video on how the assault weapons ban only made Firearms more popular and innovative as a result

[@THR33SIXX3MPYR]

I absolutely love your guys' sense of humor.

[@mafbloggerdanny]

their comments and sense of humor totally reminds me of dudes i hung out with in high school. they were into guns too. but those guys were fucking psychotic maniacs o.O

[@Mamiya645]

This is Top Gear with guns and if I wasn't in these financial straits I'd be one of the people on Patreon support squad. This is so good.

[@MursePetty]

It's $1 a month to be a Patreon supporter...

[@Mamiya645]

Oh, neat! That I should be able to manage no problem, thank you

[@LoneWolf051]

should be called "Top Guns" haha

[@MrDou]

Kevin Collver I think there was a show called like that, and also one called "top shot"

[@LoneWolf051]

they need to bring that show back

[@stephen9869]

Finally a category where the Chiappa Triple Threat may actually be useful?

[@InrangeTv]

The Triple Threat concept has legitimacy, IMO. ~Karl

[@stephen9869]

Do you mean in general or in relation to this video subject?

[@InrangeTv]

Both. ~Karl

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

German hunters have been using triple barrel shotguns sucessfully for years.

[@rifles_up2263]

Sven Keller I was thinkin about that shotgun the entire video 👍🏽😂

[@fscreations7373]

I think this is my favourite video you guys have ever done. When signposting people to your channel I recommend this video first

[@RustandRedemption]

So clearly the answer to this video is the best weapon for home defense is the Chiappa Triple Threat

[@eclairvoyance2927]

My thoughts exactly. Too bad I don't have $1400 laying around

[@cargo_vroom9729]

What if there are FOUR baddies though?

[@eclairvoyance2927]

@@cargo_vroom9729 Sidearm?

[@cargo_vroom9729]

@@eclairvoyance2927 What, no! Clearly we need a quad barrel shotgun!

[@iguessthisisnowmyname2258]

Cargo_Vroom just duct tape a bunch of shotguns together for those times with 25 enemies

[@dergrunemann]

*Embrace the Succ* with the Mossberg Pistol Grip Shotgun -Mossberg sales pitch, 2019

[@blindarchershaunhenderson3769]

Love it, even when you guys are being serious, you still look like you're having so much fun. Awesome vid guys!

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

If the stress of a timer is enough to make an experienced shooter miss, then imagine the stress of an actual self defense/home Invasion scenario for the average person.

[@The_real_onefs]

That's why they train

[@scurveteamsix]

"Yeah this isn't our gun, we borrowed it from a friend..." *throws it on the ground* Dude, I love you guys hahaha!

[@fsmoura]

Must be a _really good_ friend.

[@scruggs6633]

They probably found it leaned up against a cactus in the desert.

[@Poacher91]

I used to wonder why there where so many firearm accidents in USA, I guess I got an answer during this video. What happened with "Always treat a firearms as if it was loaded"??

[@DeminicusSCA]

@@Poacher91 that's just a thing that people tell children and foreigners

[@Skyhawk1998]

@@Poacher91 That's just a bit of a misnomer because there are instances where you do not have to. If the gun has been undoubtedly safed by everyone involved then you can say it is not loaded.

[@MBkufel]

Someone takes Ian's dear hostage Ian: "I doubt it"

[@ivyssauro123]

Man he got proficient very fast with that pistol grip lol The hostage was his precious French rifles

[@JanEikeK]

As a german obeying the local gun laws, my HD procedure is as follows: Run to the corner, grab the unloaded muzzleloader, approach assailant and immediately smack the rifle firmly on his head. (Powder has to be stored under lock and key and is available for blackpowder-permit-holders only)

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Well, that means the target aint gonna have a gun either.

[@reinbo2254]

why would a criminal follow the law anyway... i mean theyre already breaking it...

[@reinbo2254]

why would a criminal follow the law anyway... i mean theyre already breaking it...

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

+Reinelinda Aquino Because its fucking hard to get a gun illegally in Europe. Its so expensive practically only large crime organizations can afford it.

[@Turtletanks]

That’s because Germany has draconian gun laws and also pursued a policy of letting as many migrants in as possible

[@robertcainjr.7627]

Nice information. Just over from the OG Danger Show that directed me here for this info!

[@Greasymarsupial]

embrace the succ

[@Piiikaar]

@Arrow Head 16:13

[@jbspencer77]

120mm heat has true one shot stopping power versus an unarmored assailant.

[@eazy8579]

Or Armored

[@lukahierl9857]

No no no, the only reasonable choise is a 120mm canister round, baisicly a 5 ich shotgun

[@beverlychmelik5504]

The muzzle blast alone would kill the alleged perpetrators, though the finned penetrator would take out the center guy, and the sabots will take out the guy on either side.

[@lemons1559]

@Ryan Yarnevich Say bye bye to your living room and all connected rooms with open doors.

[@magisterrleth3129]

Not far enough. A true American would bury a homemade nuclear device under his garage for insurance. Just in case you miss one.

[@jermainerace4156]

"Well known hi-point collector" - you earned my thumbs up.

[@RexOedipus.]

Wait who is it?

[@bryank5523]

"you missed!" -"consider it your warning shot!"

[@fsmoura]

You guys didn't compare it with both a Vietnam era AR-15 and a Soviet era AK-47, both with and without regular mud and original Vietnamese mud, for ultimate extreme cross-comparingnessity.

[@BlueTrane2028]

Two things. One, the Shockwave grip is WAY more comfortable than the old vertical wrist breaker pistol grips. I've shot full power buck and slug with mine, no problem... and I'm not a hulk of a man. Second, in some states you are not permitted to have a loaded rifle or shotgun in your vehicle, but the not a shotgun Shockwave fits into an "other" category and gets you around the stupid laws.

[@wraithwyvern528]

I was thinking that the Shockwave would be nice as a short-range, defensive vehicle gun even in the states without those retarded restrictions.

[@richardmoore609]

Just have a 18 stack 9mm. Even if you miss once you have 17 more tries.

[@raphaelbeinhauer9242]

@@richardmoore609 An 18 stack 9mm? Sounds awesome! Oh, you mean a 18 round, double stack...

[@nattrejo6574]

No reason for a truck gun its 100x more likely to be stolen then actually use just carry a pistol

[@smolkafilip]

@@nattrejo6574 I would say that there are two reasons for a truck gun. 1) You spend a lot of time in your truck (possibly work out of your truck) AND you can't legally carry but you can "transport" a gun in your vehicle. In this case the gun stays with you so the odds of it being stolen are low. 2) As part of your work or daily life you drive into remote or secluded locations which are possible targets for burglary or squatters. If you pull up to let's say a shed on your land where you store farming equipment and you see the door is open, that rifle/shotgun in your car now sounds pretty sweet. In this case you likely do not live in a place where random people breaking into your car to steal your radio while you shop at Walmart are a likely threat. I do agree that the idea of you "fighting your way to your rifle with your pistol" which is most often associated with truck guns just doesn't apply to civilians fighting random profit motivated criminals.

[@SangTheCryptek]

"PGO average was DEAD" Lmao I love this channel.

[@walt9327]

“Average: dead” RIP Ian. Gotta go back to the Berthier for home defense

[@GamzaLive]

I always prefer the shoulder mounted "Predator" style shotgun myself. I load it up with magnum slug rounds because from what youtube has told me is if a bad guy has a thick leather coat on a 9mm pistol is useless against that kind of protection.

[@baker90338]

My response to this is from a Russian Machine Spirit >To the machinegod we call for your services >++BOOT SERVITOR OS VERION 3.4++ >++THE EMPEROR PROTECTS++ >IMPUT COMMAND >we beseech thee to provide for our defense! >our facility to produce lasguns has been destroyed! >Please machine spirit, give us cleansing Automatic firepower to smite our foes! >LIMITED ENERGY SOURCES DETECTED >DATABASE SOLUTION FOUND >AUTOMATED MANUFACTURING RETOOLING >LOADING OPTIMAL STC PROGRAM >CYKA BLYAT >WHAT IS PROBLEM NOW >IF YOU HAD NOT USED INFERIOR PHAGOT RAYGUN THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED >KALASHNIKOV RIFLE IS FINE! >WAS ALWAYS FINE! >IS FOREVER FINE! >p-praise the machi- >SHUT UP AND POUR VODKA INTO PROCESSOR. This was a brief Vox recording of a Valhallan regiment’s techpriests talking to a ancient pre imperium machine spirt of the Caucasus wastes upon the world of stalion grand, during the events of Warboss Beakbreaka’s WAAAAAAGH. The war would later be known for the holovid film _“Enemies Near the Gates”_

[@John-doe955]

Commissar Gamza Holy Shit dude you watch this channel, ive been subscribed to you for months and I didn’t know that shit

[@invictusprima4437]

I here Slugs are quite effective at hunting tryanids

[@calebhu6383]

Is that the shoulder thing that goes up? You fiend.

[@Unacknowledged86]

It's always weird when I see someone I'm subbed to show up on a channel of someone else I'm subbed to.

[@captaincrazyhat]

I actually did use my nagant revolver in a home defense scenario because that was what I had at hand and I succeeded in defending my home with my Nagant. Do I make Stalin proud like a good commissar should?

[@MrDou]

captaincrazyhat no, because comunists doesn't have any feeling.

[@captaincrazyhat]

Communism is life and is our future for only under Communism can we hope to achieve world peace and stability. I am a good Commissar!

[@AgamemnonTWC]

captaincrazyhat Да, товарищ Комиссар. Слава России!

[@HaloFTW55]

I would make a joke about the medal "Order of the Patriotic War" but most of the people who earned that medal has passed away.

[@Anomaly188]

No. If it was a Tokarev TT-30 it would be a different story.

[@fish7598]

Could you guys run this again some time with a coach gun that had extractors? I feel like it'd make a huge difference.

[@fish7598]

Sorry, ejectors

[@jubuttib]

@@fish7598/videos Would be interesting to see the test redone with a more modern side-by-side (coach gun just sounds stupid when you're not talking about ye olde timey guns or cowboy action stuff), or a sporting over-under, and a semi-auto shotgun.

[@TheBulap]

@@jubuttib I was thinking, if you can afford a decent one and you use it enough to confirm it's reliability with your ammo, a semiauto seems like it would be the best all-around choice. And if it was going to be a side-by-side, there would be no reason to use one without ejectors. I would even question one with external hammers to recock.

[@jubuttib]

@@TheBulap/videos Yeah, agreed. I know he brought the coach gun out as an outlier on purpose, but would be really interesting to see an actual modern shotgun you'd use even if you weren't into cowboy action shooting.

[@jessecoonce1363]

The addition of the housecoat in the middle of the desert..........it's the little details that set you guys apart and make you one of the best gun channels on KZbin👍

[@potatoalsopotato8378]

"Embrace the suck" -Ian, 2017 yes i am always this immature

[@davidgearardo1788]

Everytime I watch you guys together I think, these are the most dangerous guys at Starbucks. Lol hipsters shooting from the hip. Love your channel btw

[@Britishshooter]

Almost as confusing as British shotgun law in which a shotgun must have a minimum barrel length of 24 inches and be able to be loaded with a maximum of 3 shells unless it it held on a Firearms licence as opposed to a Shotgun licence, in which case it can have an unlimited magazine capacity (detachable mag or non detachable is OK) but unlike all other firearms such as rifles which are subject to a 11 3/4 inch barrel length, a shotgun must still retain the 24 inch minimum length (as obviously in the eyes of the legislators it is a far more dangerous weapon than a 11 3/4 inch 308) so yes, firearms laws everywhere are crazy when you look into them! Re the stock/no stock argument, I am with Ian's view a million percent. In South Africa in the 90's I carried a fully stocked shortened Benelli M1 with a 16 inch barrel as a car defence weapon (against car jackers who kill 90 per cent of their victims in SA even after they hand over the car cash and jewellery, so surrender is not an option) and it proved far more handy and quicker to 'come to arms' than my friends pistol griped 500 Mossy. It is also the reason I am still here to write this. If you are still reading then I am surprised that I am not boring the pants off you but the double barrel was an interesting prompt. In Britain we use side by sides and over and under guns which are always ejectors and often assisted openers for speed because on an organised game shoot we will often fire 500 to 1000 shells a day at high (60 yard plus) driven game. A pump or auto is useless compared to a pair of matched guns and an experienced loader working a a team which allows continuous stained fire. That is a test these guys should do but they would need ejectors not stage coach guns!

[@neilbodwell9172]

Glad to know, in a twisted way, that gun laws are borderline clinical definition of insane everywhere. Not surprised about the car jackers in SA. It's getting similar in some parts of the US. Yet the solutions proposed seem to amount to "everyone give them up"

[@regularfather4708]

Just recently learned that SA has pretty decent gun laws, all things considered. Still more restictive than the US, but comparatively relaxed to places like Australia and UK.

[@Evergreen1400]

500-1,000 shells in a day is crazy.

[@SoccerVJ2011]

Britishshooter Oh man sorry =( Even in strict US States like New York you don’t need to register shotguns or rifles as long as the shotgun barrel is 18 or more inches and the rifle is 16 or more. And that’s the worst of the 50 states. And on the other end you have Arizona where there are few restrictions on gun ownership and sales. You don’t need a permit to purchase anything. The state doesn’t require ownership registration. And you can carry a handgun, either concealed or openly, without a permit. Those and other factors earned it the top spot on Guns & Ammo’s list of gun-friendly states. It ranked 47 out of 50 (with 50 being the weakest gun laws) on the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s state scorecard.

[@jameslooker4791]

Wiki says break action shotguns are allowed with 12" barrels and 24" overall length. Although they still must be stored securely, and the actual use of a home defense shotgun would need to be rigorously justified.

[@npaladin2000]

I'd love to see this revisited with a semi-auto, an actual Shockwave (buy one used so you don't have to pay Mossberg) and a Stoeger Double-defense, which is supposedly made for home defense (though it still doesn't have ejectors for some reason).

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

Why not use a CZ Bobwhite then, since those actually do have ejectors

[@pcmaster4145]

Can we get an in range Tshirt with the pgs and "embrace the suck"?

[@jolt00]

You guys should do all your videos in bathrobes.

[@williamprince1114]

You don't often find a video that serves as the last word in a debate but you accomplished it with this.

[@PattyBadFingers]

Relating to loading a slug into a pistol grip shotgun and shooting it: I have done that. I was shooting bird shot at a radiator and I loaded a magnum slug in on accident. I was holding my 870 in front of my face (idk why) and took the end of the pistol grip between my nose and mouth. Any higher, would've broken my nose, any lower and I'd have a few less teeth. It hit my face so hard right above my front teeth, it actually poked a small hole in my face/lip. Bled like a SOB. It happens to the best of us...

[@robertfrapples2472]

Luck favors those who pay attention and consider possible outcomes.

[@tamlandipper29]

Idle thought: couldn’t you just have a mosquito net and release thousands of bees into your house instead?

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

Just load bees into your shells

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@G-Mastah-Fash That would sting

[@nobody2021]

@@G-Mastah-Fash the pain!

[@John-doe955]

@@andresmartinezramos7513 I appreciate your comment, I just wanted you to know.

[@staringgasmask]

Gas would be a better option. Be that tear gas, smoke or some cancerous dust

[@LerrySanders]

A Well known Hi-Point collector? Is there such a thing?

[@thepaulhenderson]

Yes, there is... God rest his soul... :)

[@RockandrollNegro]

The most well-known Hi Point collector in my area is the Detroit Metro police department.

[@kingnothing3523]

I've never heard of such man, but I would assume he is one of those fellows that rides a short bus.

[@shrimpanzy7627]

Not to defend the high point but 10 guns for the price of 1-2

[@xmm-cf5eg]

I think you mean a Glock 40 problem solver collector.

[@JMLipoff]

Sounds to me that shotgun manufacturers have been making pistol grip pumps mostly as breaching shotguns for police and military, but they want to squeeze money out of them by convincing civilians they need an ultra short shotgun.

[@FloriFarfisa]

I keep coming back to this video for it's comedic value...the "average: dead" part is one of my favorites

[@PortedPotatoes]

Who would've thought making an attempt at aiming led to greater accuracy

[@Tuton25]

Also we need a shirt that has a PGO shotgun and the quote "embrace the suck"

[@SmilingDevil]

Tuton25 and that says „does it run Wolf?“ on the back....

[@Anomaly188]

I'd buy it.

[@ShellShock794]

Mossberg at next ShotShow: The Mossberg 9,000 Tactical Blunderbuss is the ULTIMATE and ONLY home defense weapon you will ever need!

[@SirBoden]

Y’all should really do more myth busting. With so many “tactical trainers” spewing B.S. you two are a light in the darkness. Also that was funny as hell.

[@flipdart]

I ever see this guy coming at me in his bathrobe, I be runnin' for the hills so damn fast he'd have to mail me the ammo.

[@wjlasloThe2nd]

Hey Ian and Karl, you saying that "if you're not testing on the clock, you're not testing" got me thinking - with your mud tests, you could (from here on out) time how long it takes from the first malfunction to ready to fire condition.

[@Bochi42]

I've always been a fan of a standard stocked pump action shotgun as perfect for home defense & thought the pistol grips stupid but I'm pretty swayed by the double barreled coach gun as even if you have 3 intruders trying to steal your stuff I think shooting even one of them is likely to make the others get the hell out of Dodge. I mean if you have enemies who send assassins after you then sure you'll want more rounds but I've yet to encounter that problem in my life.

[@andybelcher1767]

I used to shoot 12 bore shotguns a lot. I have to say, the third intruder would have to be completely insane to still be there after his two mates get blown away, not just because of the huge holes in them but also the amount of noise in a confined space. I would prefer the double barrelled over anything that needed thought to recharge if you didn't use it regularly and you were in a high stress environment.

[@BlankPicketSign]

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool"

[@PatrickCygan]

This is why I honestly think that a tube-fed, semi-automatic shotgun is ideal for home defense. Yeah yeah I know all the fudds will come out and say "sEmI-aUtOmAtIc ShOtGuNs WiLl LITERALLY JaM eVeRyTiMe", but I think you are more likely to short-stroke a pump gun than have a proper tube-fed semi-auto (Beretta 1301, FN SLP, Benelli M2) fail on you.

[@droganovic6879]

I'd take that semi auto AA12 that they're planning to release over those two, but I can see where you're coming from and I agree

[@christophernemeth421]

@Abrasax Palante I've heard that as well for combat semi auto shotguns. Quality full powered buck and slugs, and possibly quality reduced recoil buck are fine. If you try cheap bulk bird shot the gun will have issues

[@jackandersen1262]

nonyer bidness because you cannot get 30 rounds on a box mag and still have the gun relatively compact. Even those drums only hold 20.

[@TheWolfsnack]

Agreed...I have a few pumps, but a real fondness for my Remington 1100 w/18" smooth bore barrel and fiber optic front sight.

[@TheWolfsnack]

@@kane357lynch ..because you can't buy from Norinco in the US? :)

[@garykozdrajr.3689]

Ian is so salty about the persuader, its amazing.

[@T0mN7]

It's weird to see him like that.

[@Upsetkiller456]

I'd be interested to see how the Shell holders and Auto-ejector would affect the performance.

[@SoldfMC]

Now, Nagant revolver VS Pistolgrip shotgun in home defence situation.

[@DonziGT230]

A PGO Mossberg 500 was my first shotgun and I thought it was bad ass for home protection. I eventually bought a stock only because I wanted to shoot clays and thought I'd go back to the PG for home use, it's never been back on the gun.

[@Robb1977]

I'm not sure if they're still legal because I haven't done measurements, but the Mossberg 500 used to come with a "home defense" configuration. It was just a shortened barrel, so you had all the benefits of the full stock, but with the added benefit of a shorter barrel.

[@DonziGT230]

@@Robb1977 The 500 with the pistol grip and 18" barrel is legal overall length. The 500 combo came with a stock, pistol grip, and two different barrels. The short barrel was cylinder bore and the longer one I think is modified choke, or maybe improved mod.

[@thelegate8636]

Seeing how well the coach gun did, wouldn't a semi auto shotgun with a conventional stock be superior in all of these situations (with good ammo of course)?

[@Red-ur5xj]

I prefer my m1014 clone m4 super 90 semi auto then again a friend taught me how to use it like was taught inthe military so..yea

[@The_PotionSeller]

Carolus Rex Well trained shotgun shooters can run a pump much faster than a semi auto. That being said I like semi autos to take out the human error

[@Red-ur5xj]

Same and that ghost ring on the back of a m1014 setup super 90 is awesome in lowlight

[@thelegate8636]

They definitely can be, but I've always had good luck with mine using standard bird, buck, and slugs.

[@Red-ur5xj]

Mine chews all standard power ammo :D

[@johnhagy4601]

Great work guys, realistics tests and even though biased, fair reviews of skills vs tactics vs viability. The industry needs more from honest reviewers.

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[@DodgerRoger]

"I'd rather take a Type-94 Nambu than this"

[@cermak9451]

We need InRangeTV or Forgotten Weapons branded bath robes!

[@d4ngru5h83]

Yes! I need it!

[@j45acp69]

Just call 911. The criminals will wait until the police arrive, I promise!

[@bosknight7837]

Daniel Aramburo you’ve got some very dedicated robbers there

[@Bikonito]

try not living in a country where people who are armed break in

[@bosknight7837]

Daniel Aramburo Professional burglars are also not the ones who would shoot you (or be noticed in the first place)

[@46ace]

The police will arrive to draw a chalk outline and take plenty of pictures of your dead body and the blood spatters on the wall.

[@fletcherreder6091]

@@danielaramburo7648 They wouldn't do that, that's illegal!

[@Volvith]

"Shotguns have to be aimed." Remind me again, what was that one sawed off where the shells were _sticking out of the front of the shotgun?_ Because that's not aiming. That's pointing in a general direction and spraying a room.

[@dutchplanderlinde4845]

It was the double barrel shotgun from Killing Them Softly. Wouldn’t doubt that the pellets or shot from the shotgun would just bruise people due to the non-existent barrel. At that point, I would imagine that the main danger is eye damage. The Red Ryder BB gun of the shotgun world.

[@dutchplanderlinde4845]

Blake Ubersox There is a video on KZbin of a guy shooting a shotgun like the one in the movie.

[@M95-v4r]

Double-barreled shotguns are very popular here in Austria since pump-action shotguns are banned. They only require being 18 or older and having them registered on your name. Semi-automatic shotguns are completely legal, but you've got to do a 3 hour gun-safety course that consists of shooting and a instructor telling you how not to accidentally shoot yourself or someone else and a visit at the psychologist so you get the Waffenbesitzkarte (the permission for handguns, semi-auto rifles and semi-auto shotguns). The great thing is we don't have any restrictions on magazine capacity, still most people buy a double-barrel since Austria is soooo extremely safe, the risk of a home invasion is minimal and not worth the effort of getting the Waffenbesitzkarte. I'm proud to be Austrian and not German their situation with guns is terrific. Austria= #1 country of Europe

[@boomerdimmig5648]

M95 It seems backwards to me to hear that semi auto shotguns are perfectly fine but a pump is not. not that I'd be picky (who doesn't like semi autos) but it just seems like the semi would be the first to go. Any background information as to why pumps are banned?

[@M95-v4r]

There were some incidents involving pump-actions in a short period of time back in the late 90's, the reaction was just stupid. The only other weird Austrian gun-law is that fmj rifle ammunition requires the Waffenbesitzkarte, but hollow point and sjhp rifle ammo is free for every adult. I'd always prefer a wound by fmj over sjhp. Luckily many people don't give a f*** about it and just use, sell or buy fmj to everyone.

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

That's a really weird rule in regard to the mechanics. As for the safety course i can't really disagree with that. unless you have to do it every single time you buy a gun, then that's a bit much. But one and done, just to make sure you know what the fuck you are doing first time around. Sounds quite reasonable.

[@boomerdimmig5648]

M95 Sounds like you guys had some law makers who were writing about what they don't know! Thanks for the reply, that's pretty interesting. Sounds like you guys have it pretty easy compared to other European countries.

[@M95-v4r]

John J You only have to do it once and you need to go to the range at least once every two to three years to stay trained.

[@sleepings0ul356]

One of the most entertaining videos I've watched in months, not only on InRangeTV but on KZbin in general. Great job guys!

[@CelticAssassin]

Having just recently watched the semi>bolt video makes me wonder just how vastly more affective a semi auto shotgun would be here

[@compted10]

The answer is yes a semi auto will be better if you hold onto it.

[@Alexkeys141]

compted it depends on what type of semi auto it is if it’s like a saiga 12 then yea but if it is any other type of shotgun that has a decent buffering system then you won’t have to hold on very tight

[@knifedance2402]

Not nearly the difference between shotguns as with rifles. The reason being recoil.

[@atwb8882]

"Had a little bit of a fiddly with the thing there" - Ian McCollum

[@fullmetaflak]

100% not dead

[@Wafflepudding]

Ian forgot: This vs a Zip gun or a "Streetsweeper"

[@heavystalin2419]

Riot control!

[@davesimmons8640]

"Had a bit of a fiddly with the thing, there." - Haven't we ALL said that? Great video, guys! Well done!

[@BlitzkreigWTF]

"Goon Cannon" A pump action, 12 gauge shotgun with the stock chopped off.

[@rebzdomine]

And even this is better than a pistol grip shotgun

[@Arthurzeiro]

I strongly believe that the number of invaders don't matter much, as soon as you shoot at the first, the rest, doesn't matter how many, will just run away. Living in Brazil and being held at gun point inside my own house once taught me how much of a coward a home invader is. This kind of people don't want any confrontation, they're not looking for enemies they're looking for victims, just look up some security camera footage specialy from Brazil, when there are 2 or 3 bad guys as soon as a shot is fired at one of them the rest scatter.

[@tristanmyers897]

Your philosophy is flawed as what if your ammo is dried up and there's invaders that decide to attack you rather than run?

[@Turtletanks]

ArthurAlcantara that’s if they are looking for money or something small. A drugged out rapist or murderer won’t care about being shot

[@millitron3666]

"Nothing is a 100% 1-shot stop" I disagree. The M79 would be. Nobody's gonna keep going after a 40mm HEDP hit.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Im gonna say 14.5 BMG is enough for that.

[@scruggs6633]

I heard a vietnam vet talking about an ambush one time where there was a VC so drugged up that he took about a dozen rounds of 5.56, plus a 40mm straight to the chest that punched a fist sized hole clean through his torso, after which he turned and ran off into the jungle before dying.

[@amperzand9162]

I would honestly not be surprised if it was the GIs who were drugged up, that being Vietnam.

[@aaronquak2139]

I take that and raise you this guy: www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-latin-america-36505504/soldier-with-a-grenade-stuck-in-his-face-operated-on Might not have been a detonation but it was definitely a shot and a hit!

[@tamlandipper29]

You want to shoot m79s inside your own house??

[@SolidMikeP]

"PISTOL GRIP PUMP ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES" -RATM

[@otm646]

You know that's a cover, right? That whole album is covers. Pistol grip pump is from Volume 10 circa '94.

[@Rover200Power]

*Volume 10

[@comradesoupbeans4437]

that's what they're good for, concealability, not quality of shotgun

[@doriankane7698]

This was in my head as soon as I saw the title of the video, lol.

[@m.c.miller]

Original: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKTXk2mvq65-hMk

[@phillhuddleston9445]

What I learned from this is that a tactical bathrobe like the one they are wearing is the perfect accessory to a shotgun because it holds a lot of extra shot-shells in a convenient location for a fast reload.

[@bc-guy852]

And... COVERTLY!!! Could even sling the shockwave under the bathrobe for a REAL surprise.

[@Beretta249]

"Embrace the suck." Wise words.

[@DevDog67]

So what I'm getting from this is the best option is actually a semi-auto shotgun with a full stock. Because it removes the element of the pump from the stress of the situation. Also the amount of disrespect towards the pistol grip shotgun after you start to hate shooting it is really funny.

[@codyjackalope8464]

Agreed

[@thomasa5619]

“The timer doesn’t lie” is such a mark Novak feeling quote

[@robertkelleher1850]

I would like to see this done in a shoot house around corners. The whole point of tactical shotgun (pistol grip / shockwave) is clearing rooms or navigating tight spaces. A wide open space doesn't compare to the hallway corner leading to my bedroom. That said, this is still a very useful and convincing demonstration.

[@TheBitwise]

This is 37 minutes of awesome. Great audio, video, editing, testing, and presentation. Thank you both.

[@870Slager]

28:55 "If there's more than 2 then that means i've hit my spouse" Oh no that means he killed Ian!

[@Toad_Hugger]

Nice video! Woulda been neat to see a semiautomatic.

[@TheDoctorGnome]

Cuttle Fish that would be a bit cheating, but would have been great for the "Science"

[@tristanmyers897]

Kinda cheating at that point

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

I think pump action is slightly faster, and multi barell is obviously even faster.

[@TheZotman5]

This might be the best argument for shooting glasses I've ever seen.