Insane Advance Wars Games: Kantbei Vs Elagatua (Fog: Shadows Betwixt)

[@FightingFire01]

One thing you forgot to take into account is that all the transports kantbei built count towards his unit value, so while he seemed to be incredibly dominant for most of the match the actual firepower each player had was actually more even.

[@DeejusProductions]

Good point!

[@icelerate8141]

Also, Hawke's units are more powerful so the unit value doesn't take into account that Hawke's are more powerful.

[@beansconfrijolitos996]

BRO NOT THE ASMR, I was around other ppl when I played this vid 😭

[@DeejusProductions]

RIP

[@RanEncounter]

Rest in pieces...

[@turbo8628]

"Kantbei's error" ... deej said it! He said the thing!

[@Elagatua]

wow, honored to get a game on here. i'm a new awbw player but i'm a strategy game veteran, which will be clear if you dig through some of my extremely old videos. thanks for commentating this game!

[@Elagatua]

46:45 decision to build a fighter was certainly because a bomber was an expected counter to the MD tank, but also because i saw 3 copters top with no AA support with that 1 HP recon, getting 2 copters with a fighter more or less pays for itself, with the potential for extreme value if a bomber shows up

[@anditwasknownas]

Gg! and it shows it shows :D

[@hamarta1006]

Based from this game, you are clearly good strategist and good defender. You don't overextend your battle lines. In contrast, Kantbei is clearly very agressive but his mistake is, he don't build recon, and prone to overextend his battle line. Very good play from you.

[@shapshapshapshap2829]

Question: what’s the story behind your name? This video has made me curious about it

[@Elagatua]

@@shapshapshapshap2829 normally i just tell people that i like vowels a lot. the real answer is that i just combined two nicknames that i previously had used online. but i really like vowels.

[@SnydeX9]

Kantbei? More like Kan't use your power.

[@AdvanceWarrior]

I'm starting to feel like if you build a Recon and it doesn't see the enemy, you at least have some information on where the enemy is NOT at. I've made this mistake before several times.

[@junovicz]

Good point

[@lpsp442]

It's a simple process of elimination. Only so many spaces for units to hide on the map, and even if you don't yet know what is hiding, at least you now know where to look - or expect!

[@Mangs1337]

ASMR special: Sasha crashes the global economy and ruins your finances.

[@sweetdangerzack]

😫 Oh god, I need to change my pants.

[@hamarta1006]

Finally, our weekly intake of BANGER match.

[@warpuppy4528]

The worst thing you can do with Sasha is buy units before you power. It might not have impacted the match immediately, but that play started a sequence of events that resulted in a Black Storm ravaging Sasha's troops a few turns later. That turned her dominant lead into a match with even unit value, and when that happens you have already lost.

[@napalmcannon2513]

Its good to see Sasha vs Hawke on this map, I always had trouble playing as Hawke and its good to see some high level commentary on him

[@marcoasturias8520]

I feel Elagatua is easier to say thab ooloogoola

[@PaulPower4]

39:12 Even Koal wouldn't attack from a shoal.

[@Shplump52]

Great stuff Deejus! You should look into how you can use your work to help the orangutans whose homes are being chopped down. Many don't have a place to play advance wars any more

[@mrdeadscott8270]

Such a great match, the back and forth was so fun to watch with these high level players. Great commentary as always Deejus, thanks again for my weekly fix.

[@jessepunch8945]

A fathers-day treat, how exciting

[@oEllery]

Oh, I had a game on this map recently. Can't wait to see your insights on it.

[@PornTrouT]

My matches on this map have either lasted 15 days or 50+ days. Idk what to make of this map yet.

[@majch]

@deejus we need MORE of these replays I'm addicted

[@panthekirb7561]

Kantbei can't catch a break, you and Mangs show the guy lose all the time.

[@auricanmajere6236]

well, I lose 3 times against Kantbei 😂 (4 if you count my game vs nightmare of heiankyou because she practice against Kantbei the map she played against me) so... you can see Kantbei losing in youtube but still he/she is one of the top players

[@panthekirb7561]

@@auricanmajere6236 I know Kantbei is not a bad player but youtubers rarely show him in a good light haha.

[@SG-xn2rb]

Kantbei has a lot of losses bro

[@snake2250]

Feels like it was really the small mistakes that hurt the most this match. A couple bars or charge here and there from building a copter, saccing infantry here and there. It all added up.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

yo deejus, could you make a strategy video on how to make a good comeback in a match when you're behind (properties/value/unit count). I'm a noob and one fuckup at the beginnign is usually the downfall for me since I struggle to recover and somehow go back to "neutral".

[@DeejusProductions]

Idk man thats too all encompassing, what usually allows me to make comebacks is to become hyper focused and use moveplanner later in the game when im feeling like im going to lose

[@krissjames7276]

Hawke constantly getting Power-cucked was brutal to watch, good on Elagatua for fighting through it.

[@josuecallejero9864]

Caligula was a Roman emperor. There was another emperor afterwards named Elagabalus. They were both horrible. Lol

[@dronnovik95]

Im yet to comprehend thought prosses of connecting those 3 words: Elagatua, Caligula, Vampire

[@lpsp442]

Deejus has his own special word logic

[@nz75Kingston]

18:45 I would have always taken the gamble that there is no Antiair/copter in the north and blocked the bridge with my T-Copter to try to guarantee the 3 property captures.

[@Tangers3345]

Bringing out those Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe references I didn't remember I needed 👍

[@JohnPaul-nb5iu]

Boomba boomba googala

[@DeejusProductions]

This is what we should teach in schools these days

[@YTzinkk]

Always to see a Kantbei game match, and smooth skills from Elagatua.

[@kaio0777]

Here's why I use Sasha Scop after the 3rd or 4th market crash. Any high- or mid-power CO is still going to get their power or superpower if they play their cards right. So, in my opinion, I would have waited and used Scop on the turn that Hawk was going to get Black Wave and the Hawk as a choice. After seeing that, you can either wait for Hawk to get his Scop and then beat back the value he knows is coming, or use Black Wave to try and punish you for using Scop. Either way, you win. If Hawk uses his CO power, you can beat him down with value, as Collin would. If Hawk waits to get his Scop, you can keep saving money while sending out decent units that will outlive his Scop. Then, you can punish him on the kickback. I know some veterans might think this sounds stupid, but I've played this matchup 5 times before, and 3 of those times I used this strategy and won. It's a great way to break the stalemate in the late game. However, it's important to note that this strategy only works on large and mid-large maps (like the one in the video). You also need to understand your army setup before you attempt it. If you have a great army, don't use this strategy. But if you only have a decent army compared to your opponent, then you can use it. Just be sure to gauge your units carefully. That's my two cents.

[@AADP]

the bus joke is comedy gold

[@crisis8v88]

Building a bomber vs Hawke is a bold strategy. That blimp's only going to get weaker as the game goes on from magical bad weather.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Once i played a Sturm Mirror match on this map, i had 2 landers, 1 apc and 2 tcopters, the match lasted 57 days. Those transports were great

[@Keeki95]

I think early on when Kantbei was going for the cities in the top left, I wanna say he could've secured one if not both by block the bridge with the recon. Not sure if it would be a smart move given fog, but he would've had those cities for a few turns at least.

[@Gatitasecsii]

As always I gotta say... as a non-competitive player it still seems to me like these top level players don't ever even think about or consider the "tide in-tide out" tactics that they should employ... I sustain that every time you attack and deal a substantial amount of damage, you should follow up with a retreat, with the empirical knowledge that it will take your opponent an extra turn to reinforce and that your own troops will arrive in the next turn for a follow-up even stronger attack. This would be especially effective if your retreat is lateral as well, EVEN MORE IN FOG, because this means your opponent will have to reinforce whilst not knowing which side they should reinforce. It kinda seems basic to me, but again, I'm not a competitive player... maybe I should be but I have no patience for people who take days to make their moves.

[@swagmaster2003]

(1257 MMR here) It is indeed a strategy that sounds good on paper, but it's not very practical. I've had games where I did a slight, defensive attack in the hopes of retreating next turn, but got pummeled before I could. On top of this, you generally need to get more out of an attack than pure damage. Even if you could pull the attack-retreat strategy off, that would just give your opponent time to regroup and try some tactics of their own. Usually when you attack, the goal should be to get some properties out of it, otherwise the fight will go on endlessly. A good example of this is the Tordread (Eagle) vs some chinese dude (Max) match Deejus showed two months ago. The chinese guy hit Tordread pretty hard, but never managed to win any cities. This resulted in a big stall with over 300k on both sides, at which point ~50k difference doesn't really matter.

[@Gatitasecsii]

@@swagmaster2003 Of course you have to gain something, positional advantage has to count for something. And pure damage and unit advantage is benefit enough in my book. I don't mean just any old attack, I mean when you destroy over 5 enemy units and it doesn't seem like they have enough units/their units are out of position to mount a proper counter attack. And yes, it might give your opponent time to regroup, but what do you gain from following the attack into enemy lines? nothing. I haven't seen a single top level player gain anything from it, ever. Even if you have infantry nearby, which is never the case, they'd just easily get destroyed by a nearby opponent's unit. Better to retreat or hold back for one turn until your own units amass, so that you can attack with even more force next turn.

[@swagmaster2003]

@@Gatitasecsii I think we misunderstood each other, I of course didn't meant charging in where you get outnumbered, and you apparently didn't mean attacking with no plan to get something next turn(s). Sorry for the inconvenience.

[@sweetdangerzack]

I have suspected for a bit that a lander build could work really well on this map. I've tried it twice now and failed both times.

[@Alastor7_]

I’ve played kantbei on this map and watched some of his other games on it. I think he waits til he has an income/KD lead before he buys the lander. That way he has the benefits of the lander but takes less of a hit to his attacking unit count.

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

Is there anything more annoying in this game than Sasha constantly resetting your power bar?

[@PICADALOL]

Superrrr banger

[@Rocky712_]

Such a pain to watch Kantbei in this match 😅

[@blahmaster6k]

37:54 would sacking the 5 HP tank into the copter not have been enough to get a power here?

[@pavjoe2]

you are a dork, but I love it!

[@anditwasknownas]

That baby orangutangs 😂 Very rare creatures

[@NEKOEVE]

Just never going after those top 2 cities and not keeping up with the medium tanks. That lander should have been bringing a medium tank to the front line every turn cause no way would hawk have been able to keep up with the Neo tanks to respond to them all.

[@quirbiefe7544]

b anger

[@SpeedfreakUK]

What software does Deejus use to watch replays? This doesn’t look like either AWBW or Wars World.

[@DeejusProductions]

go to the awbw discord server under community development and ask about the replay viewer

[@SpeedfreakUK]

@@DeejusProductionssick, cheers deej

[@AdmiralPieDog]

too bad that fighter didn't get a chance to down the bomber

[@Gatitasecsii]

Ok so you jokingly said that Oogoogulah was cheating, that he was able to see through the fog when he avoided a tank earlier in the game, but then he just so happens to build a fighter just the next turn that Kantbei built a bomber?! That actually makes me suspicious and there were quite a few moves that I thought seemed too sensible, like a few captures that were by no means guaranteed but were taken because he may have been able to see that there was no danger...

[@Alastor7_]

Two things: (1) late game bombers are common, especially as a response to larger tanks. If you watch competitive games it’s not uncommon to see fighter builds soon after opposing unseen bombers. If I don’t have many AA late game sometimes I’ll build a fighter anticipating my opponent has seen my lack of AA and built a bomber. (2) Kantbei plays a ton of games and people can watch them, and a lot of top players have an idea of other players’ tendencies. I’ve been able to predict other players builds before, and I wouldn’t even consider myself a top tier player (~1300 rating).

[@Elagatua]

i mentioned this in an earlier comment, but the fighter was primarily a response to the 3 unguarded copters up top. at that point, i was pretty sure that as long as i could defend the properties in the top right, i would retake the bottom left properties and be in a dominant position. so the fighter shuts down the push top right, although it turns out my center push forced the copters away from top right anyway. additionally, on this map, a bomber is a more likely response since the airport position is really far forward, and i had no way to know about the lander. for the other thing with the tank, you'd have to give me a timestamp and i can explain my thoughts there.

[@Flo-mz8ct]

Whats that song called in the end?

[@DeejusProductions]

Bounjour-Phello

[@Flo-mz8ct]

@@DeejusProductions thanks man

[@FinalCataclsym]

Alright, so who's thinking about Hawke x Sasha Rule 34 after that ending commentary? All of you? Yeah, I thought so. Good job Deejus.

[@jaynguyen1573]

Hawke master baited all over Sasha

[@Urashima321]

Elglugua 😂

[@spiritreaperrahul]

Toddler commentary

[@fernandomora4230]

boomba boomba oogla cerplowzers 17k

[@xcq4947]

Instant intro skip. Sheesh.

[@ICANSEEMATUREVIDSNOW]

Caligula the vampire... yes...