The COP menu item is likely used to copy the current settings over the "default" factory settings. Generally to do this, you get to the COP entry and then within 3 seconds hit the "OK" button (which in your case is likely the Set button). It will then say "YES" and stores the values to the internal flash as the default values. That's how a similar model I have works, in any case.
@AdityaMehendale9 ай бұрын
Captain! Thanks :)
@andrewpatterson53499 ай бұрын
Its more likely to be "Contactor Operation" ....which means you could use it for cooling.
@User701889 ай бұрын
@@andrewpatterson5349 Why would they code such a feature when the user can just change to an NC-relay? It seemed like there was only two COP-options, 12 and 15. Do you think they are a choice between IEC utilization categories? (AC-12 is control of resistive loads and solid state loads, and AC-15 is control of AC electromagnetic loads)
@t1d1009 ай бұрын
Could it be to set a security code to prevent the settings from being changed by unauthorized personnel?
@ThriftyToolShed9 ай бұрын
@@andrewpatterson5349 That was my thoughts as well. Almost all controllers I have ever worked with allow for heating or cooling operation settings.
@gregorythomas3339 ай бұрын
For those that need it...the model number for the 110VAC version is: SF-102(SH)
@l0I0I0I09 ай бұрын
TY!
@johndododoe14119 ай бұрын
Would that be a different bundled transformer?
@gregorythomas3339 ай бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 The ones I found do have a different transformer with 110VAC input using this wording on the listing: SF-102 Thermostat Controller Electronic Temperature Thermostat Freezer US NEW
@johndododoe14119 ай бұрын
@@gregorythomas333 So either mislabeled or the refrigeration variant .
@gregorythomas3339 ай бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 Since I was looking for the refrigeration type I used the word "Freezer" in the search...just adjust the wording for your needs
@nobodyuknow49119 ай бұрын
After many years of tearing electronics apart, Clive comes across one device that intends to call a COP to prevent its fated destruction.
@KeritechElectronics9 ай бұрын
An interesting controller, I like the external transformer and relay connection. Makes it so easy to interface with different control devices - relays, SSRs, contactors.
@jessstrap20889 ай бұрын
For a moment I thought the last type of control device you listed was contractors. I was very amused.
@d614gakadoug99 ай бұрын
The internal transistor and power supply are unlikely to be adequate to drive a contactor. You could, of course, use a small "pilot" relay for the contactor coil. BEWARE! Some contactors have two coils - a low resistance coil that pulls the armature home and a high resistance coil that keeps the armature pulled. A microswitch that is opened when the armature is pulled opens the circuit to the high-current coil. This is a good arrangement for saving power and keeping the contactor from running hot due to coil current, but it is a rude surprise if you aren't prepared for it.
@somedude24928 ай бұрын
@@jessstrap2088 if you use a high enough voltage, contractors can also start working
@pr0xZen7 ай бұрын
I disagree, if you use high enough voltage, contractors tend to _stop_ working. Sometimes permanently.
@mickb62859 ай бұрын
How refreshing to see a traditional transformer, instead of the usual self destructing switched mode units normally used these days.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
It also seems to be a standard style of transformer too. I found one at my main electronic component supplier.
@Richardincancale9 ай бұрын
7:31 minimum restart time is very useful for heat pumps (which also contain a compressor) - for example Daikin recommends a minimum of 6 minutes between runs.
@heavydiesel9 ай бұрын
In over 30 years I can't remember seeing one of those 12v transformers fail. Usual failure on those style controllers in refrigeration applications is the compressor relay sticking on.
@NiHaoMike649 ай бұрын
HVAC techs often find control transformers burned out from short circuits, as can happen by a homeowner miswiring a new thermostat.
@rimmersbryggeri9 ай бұрын
Some times there are setting for different probe types in the hidden menu. so you can change between TC and RTD measurement etc also different TC types.
@volkris9 ай бұрын
Just to emphasize the point that other people have made, the external transformer and relay aren't just good for maintenance but also for systems where you already have the appropriate power and something else to switch. Just for example you can use this as a temperature monitor hooking the power side into a computer interface and the relay side into an ADC or digital readback. In that case you might not want a relay involved at all.
@wimwiddershins9 ай бұрын
Very nice for serviceability, especially the external relay.
@ConstantlyDamaged9 ай бұрын
Also makes it more versatile too. Need it to drive a bigger motor? Get a bigger relay. Want to have a whole bank of these? Get a bigger transformer and run them all off it.
@johndododoe14119 ай бұрын
@@ConstantlyDamagedCircuit also works from a DC supply that happens to power a larger control system . It looks like it can even run from an industrial 24V DC system .
@ConstantlyDamaged9 ай бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 Yeah, built for quality and flexibility-rather than to be the cheapest.
@jerrydurand41279 ай бұрын
the delay time is also good for recovery from power failures. Setting 1 minute will prevent it chattering on a messy power up. I just had a relay burn out from that very reason.
@JohnnyX509 ай бұрын
We have similar devices behind the bottom cover of our chilled display fridges at work. I was watching the engineers re-gas a faulty unit once and I believe the defrost side is an element very similar to a grill in an oven, sat in the bottom of a drip tray where the hot side of the pipework is coiled up and sits in with it, presumably to boil off water from condensation as our fridges do not have a plumbed drain on them. In the freezers it will run around the cold side to melt off any build up of ice, but the freezers are connected to a local drain due to the amount of water that will be generated. I also believe the "data" line on the unit is connected to a wall mounted device called a 'Plant Watch Pro' in our shop which monitors the state of the fridges and displays their current temperature and can be programmed to call an engineer if a fault condition occurs or the fridge runs too warm for too long, setting off an internal alarm on the panel which has to be acknowledged by a user who then decides if an engineer is required. Fascinating stuff and I guess most people wouldn't know supermarkets go to great lengths to make sure food is kept in safe conditions (albeit a law requirement anyway lol) Thank you :D Id love to get one of those temperature things to muck about with. Could COP be a short hand of Compressor Overload Protection? meaning after a set time a user thinks is too long for a compressor to run, regardless of temperature set it will shut of power to the compressor for overheat protection? Not sure. x
@JH-tc3yu9 ай бұрын
Completely depends on the system. There is no one defrost system type even on similar equipment, to say nothing of the fact that medium temp refrigeration circuits generally don't even have defrost heaters, they just use air defrost and keep the fan spinning while cycling the compressor off
@soupflood9 ай бұрын
COP can't mean compressor overload protection the way you explained it, because the compressor may run for much more than an hour after the deicing is done, or after the fridge has been started warm. The overload protection may only be used following an off cycle, setting the minimum wait time until the next on cycle, in minutes.
@3zuli9 ай бұрын
It's interesting that they left all three output channels populated despite only using one. The pads on the right with 0 ohm resistors look like configuration jumpers. Maybe you could enable the additional functionality and outputs just by bridging the correct combination of pads?
@EricJorgensen9 ай бұрын
Most STC-1000 clones have heat and cool outputs and operate both cycles. This is handy for things like fermentation chambers (for brewing or baking) where you may want to target a temperature that is higher or lower. Add a couple external spdt relays and you can control a thermoelectric device to behave as both heater and cooler.
@mikeceresini23648 ай бұрын
Sure, but it would always be running, there would be no delay between heating and cooling.
@EricJorgensen8 ай бұрын
@@mikeceresini2364 nope! You can set hysteresis and minimum on and off cycles.
@mikeceresini23648 ай бұрын
Yeah, but there's only one output on this unit, so your first relay is either on or off. The STC-1000 has two outputs so you can set cold and hot points, but the output is via two separate relays.
@mikeceresini23648 ай бұрын
I may have misunderstood your first message, I thought you were saying it was possible to have this unit perform the same as the STC-1000.
@thepagan54329 ай бұрын
This seems to better than the normal controller being available. A very interesting post, thank you Clive 👍
@YodaWhat9 ай бұрын
*COP* _might_ mean *Coefficient of Performance* (of a heat pump), which could be calculated approximately from three temperature inputs, in the model equipped with all three.
@theDane709 ай бұрын
Cool, I have worked with most temperature controllers, like you mentioned some only do a good job at heating or cooling but some can have multiple stages I have worked with some that had 4 stages that can be used for heating or cooling so you could use multiple heating systems or cooling and they also have a hysteresis function so it learns how long it takes to heat or cool an area when you want the best temperature control...
@user-yn8mz5bf9y9 ай бұрын
The Coefficient of Performance (COP) of any heat pump will vary as either the inlet temperature or the heat pumps outlet temperature varies. As the inlet temperature increases from the ground, the COP will also increase. That multiple is known as the Coefficient of Performance or COP. As the temperature warms up outside the COP increases. Compared to electric resistance heat, even at -5 F, a heat pump puts out 2x more heat than a resistance heater using the same amount of energy input, or it is 2X as efficient.
@ThePopolou9 ай бұрын
I was contemplating something like this for my AV rack. If anyone wanted the equivalent controller for cooling, it is SF-104S-2.
@acmefixer19 ай бұрын
This unit was definitely made for a professional, with separate xformer and relay. Consumers would not want to deal with figuring out how to connect this all up - just give them a unit with everything all in one box so less hassles and less mistakes they can make. Another plus was the sealing up the case to keep out moisture, dirt, etc. What's ironic is that the previous owner needed one for refrigeration, and he didn't know that this one was already set up inside for refrigeration, all it needed was a few wires changed. And as a result, Clive got a bargain!
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
Although it has the circuitry, the software seems for heating.
@acmefixer19 ай бұрын
@@BigClive It might be that unknown menu choice you found is to change to refrigeration?
@DjResR9 ай бұрын
Change the relay contacts from NO to NC maybe?_
@M4RC909 ай бұрын
@@DjResR That could maybe work? Although the hysteresis logic would be backwards. And what is the minimum temperature that can be set? If it's 0°C it might not be too useful for freezing, depending on the specific use case of course.
@johndododoe14119 ай бұрын
@@M4RC90If the minimum time logic applies in both directions, there's no difference in logic . Compressors are used for both heating and cooling in aircondition, so protecting compressors is not a refrigeration-only feature .
@SiaVids9 ай бұрын
On a very similar looking controller by Danfoss the COP parameter is for configuring the compressor timing.
@mikebond63289 ай бұрын
Practically every consumer product sold in the U.S. in the last 40 plus years has been manufactured in an Asian factory which means anyone smart enough to figure out how to set up one of those controllers is very familiar with the centigrade temperature scale as well as the metric system.
@HolarMusic9 ай бұрын
Oh wow, congratz on the 1 million subs
@lezbriddon9 ай бұрын
nice to see ferrules on the end of multicore cable, on friday i went to change a cracked junction box, ferruled the twisted light cable, only to find then they would not go into the terminals... brilliantly compatibility of products, thanks fixscrew.....
@jeremyvoshage24108 ай бұрын
Sick little temperature control combo. Wish there was a cooling version
@BigClive8 ай бұрын
There are cooling versions.
@grantrennie9 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video Clive 👍 Have a perfect day everyone 👋
@dcallan8129 ай бұрын
Its been snowing that HAS to be a good day. Hope your day is full and happy.
@zebo-the-fat9 ай бұрын
COP means "Can't Operate Properly"
@TomCee539 ай бұрын
Clive, I just got sent this link and I thought I’d share it with you. It seems like a great source for video ideas, in case you’re running low. I know you’ve already seen some, but others might be new to you. I love all of your content. Thanks for all you do! 😊
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
There's definitely no shortage of stuff to make videos about.
@TheGhungFu9 ай бұрын
I made my sous vide pot using a similar device and a cheap slow cooker. Works great.
@englematic9 ай бұрын
Process Tech here. If this is indeed for a heat pump, COP may mean Coefficient of Performance. For my (company's) money, I use Love and Jumo temperature controllers when I need standalone PID temperature control. They're well documented and that alone is worth the premium.
@Mike-H_UK9 ай бұрын
Great circuit. I think that I would have been tempted to place the NTC & 10k resistor filtering on the other side of the 22k resistor, but this is not a biggie!
@rimmersbryggeri9 ай бұрын
I thing you should probably use an external with all these small temperature controllers. I removed the internal relay in mine and jumpered the contacts accordingly to use it with a solid stater relay without risking the internal relay failing. I have heard that it is not uncommon for recovered relays to be used in the cheap knock off pid controllers among other things.
@ThunderBassistJay9 ай бұрын
Still one of my favorite channels. 👍
@tronixfix9 ай бұрын
No way… i’ve ordered one when your video came out without knowing that you also got one. Need mine to repair a cooled show case.
@gd.ritter9 ай бұрын
Could you not just swap your load between Normally open and Normally closed on the relay to change if it's effectively heating or cooling?
@sootikins9 ай бұрын
Yes, but the hysteresis won't work as expected. When temperature became greater than Setpoint It would cool down to (Setpoint - Hysteresis) degrees. Of course you could unintuitively set your Setpoint to (Desired Temp + Hysteresis) degrees and it would behave more like a proper cooling controller.
@PetraKann9 ай бұрын
Big Clive with a STC 1000. Even 20 years ago, a similar electronic device would be quite expensive and much larger and heavier
@l0I0I0I09 ай бұрын
Love it! Want it! I need to control it with a blackberry pico and C. Ty!
@user-neo716659 ай бұрын
Interested in what you searched for to find this. I use those cheap ones on incubators for hatching eggs and have only had a few fail in many years. I'd always be interested in a better one esp if cheaper.
@steamer19 ай бұрын
12:43 "they're comin' aff" ×2. The true Scot seeping through the 'telephone voice' there. Has tae be done to make it in KZbin. Naebdy wid ken whit wir talkin aboot, erwise.
@MsLancer999 ай бұрын
I like that Temperature controller with a separate power supply and relay.
@alphabuilders8 ай бұрын
In HVAC COP is co-efficient of performance, basically a measure how much energy a heatpump (like a fridge or heating and cooling air conditioner for example) moves compared to how much the compressor consumes.
@ThanosSustainable9 ай бұрын
I suspect this is a way older model than the modern generic ones. I have used a few of the generics, once had an issue with a relay, while switching an old fridge. Generic units are made for cooling and heating.
@007floppyboy9 ай бұрын
Not over keen on using a single diode for snubbing the relay coil, this can lead to premature wear on the contacts, as it takes 10-20-30mS longer to open the contacts properly. I use a diode with a matched resistor (normally around 10 x the voltage, so 12V would be 120ohms ish) in series, placed in parallel with the coil. This kills the spike just as quick but also stops the relay from bouncing or re-energising, keeps the opening of the contacts as fast as possible. You can also use a matched MOV but these are more expensive and give little gain over the diode and resistor. the wattage of which only needs to be 1/4 or 1/8. If you are using coils on pneumatics of hydraulics (valves) then dont bother with the resistor, 10-20mS slower wont damage them, in fact it helps control fluid bounce in hydraulics.
@d614gakadoug99 ай бұрын
It is far too common to see a diode smacked across a relay coil, with no regard for the consequences to the contacts. Often it really doesn't matter but when you have relay controlling something like a motor and frequent cycling is expected, you really want to spend a few moments thought and a few extra cents to be kind to the contacts. _Tranzorb_ type power zener suppressors are another alternative and better than MOVs. MOVs do have a wear-out mechanism whereas the power zener devices don't. The power zeners also have better defined voltage characteristics so you can confidently more closely match the voltage allowable across the relay coil to the voltage rating of the switching device. There's nothing wrong with the D & R method if you have room on the board. You can select the resistor value for any peak voltage you want. You do need to be mindful of the transient power handling ability of the resistor. Thin film types are generally not very tolerant of large transients.
@007floppyboy9 ай бұрын
@@d614gakadoug9 yep, used transorbs as well, but another cost premium. Pay ya pennies, make ya choice. Main thing is to not just shove diodes in without thinking about the consequences.
@clivequinn89789 ай бұрын
Looks a nice piece of kit.
@ralphj40129 ай бұрын
Great explanation, though confused at one point where I thought you said overtightening monkey-style. I'm now in a quandary as to whether this refers to intoxication or a tougher form of martial arts.
@thiesvanderkooij84219 ай бұрын
I figured those circuit board connecrors out the hard way. Had un and redone some connections onto a dimmer a few times to many and it snapped off. I ended up soldering the wire onto the remaining pin which was also my very first soldering attempt. It seems to have worked as it still works fine and hasnt blown up.
@curtwuollet29129 ай бұрын
The ones I've used are the REX PID Controllers that use a thermocouple, have a billion parameters and are suspiciously ubiquitous and cheap for a precision process controller. They must be used in tremendous quantities in China as you can get a kit with a thermocouple and a ssr for like $20.
@LeifNelandDk9 ай бұрын
Heat or cold, just a question of using NO or NC on the relay.
@clutch28279 ай бұрын
That first one you showed is what Peopoly is putting in their 3D resin printers.
@phonotical9 ай бұрын
Are they using the display upside down, to get the led under OUT to be on...
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
They are using the display upside down and a decimal point as the output indicator.
@chaos.corner9 ай бұрын
I have a cheap one that came with a mini-kiln. Unfortunately, the simple on/off is not very appropriate so I replaced it with a Raspberry Pi and wrote some PID software (That also does cone firing schedules). I use an even cheaper one with a 400W heater to keep my pipes from freezing in our extension.
@233kosta9 ай бұрын
I suspect COP is the coefficient of performance of whatever HVAC this is used to control. Pure heaters (resistive/etc) are fairly close to 1, good heat pumps are quite a bit higher. It's effectively a measure of efficiency, except calling it efficiency is bad practice because η>1 is one of those things that normally break thermodynamics.
@233kosta9 ай бұрын
To clarify, CoP = rate of total heat transfer / power input or Q/P
@l0I0I0I09 ай бұрын
Anyone know of a quality relative himidity amd temp controller???? Ty!!!
@emaglott9 ай бұрын
that squishy silicone ripping sound drives me wild!
@ExitSignAficionado9 ай бұрын
if you change the relay and connected the load on NC contacts the controller can be used for cooling instead of heating
@erbterb9 ай бұрын
"Have you destroyed industrial equipment by clicking random buttons?" No bigclive, I have not. But thanks for warning me about excessive button pressing. My previous girlfriend complained about that in bed.
@dherrendoerfer9 ай бұрын
If I had a dollar for each unit that survived the warranty period of the device it was built into, I'd still be waiting for my 1st buck. With the cheap ones the supply dies, with the expensive ones the secondary side 5V cap goes bad and they start drifting badly. I've begun to switch the caps on the new units with 105degC low-ESR units, and that seems to help them go longer.
@d614gakadoug99 ай бұрын
A "good" ordinary electrolytic capacitor has a life rating of 2000 hours at 85°C and probably doesn't even have a apec for allowable ripple current. When you get into good caps with ripple current and ESR specs and want long life, use the largest can size you can fit (e.g. 25 V instead of 16 V or 10 V). That will invariably get you longer life. Tall skinny caps are usually slightly better than sort fat ones for the same voltage and capacitance. Vibration can be a concern, though.
@jeremyvoshage24108 ай бұрын
Closes "quality version" of the STC-1000 is a XR06CX which can pretty much do anything with it's extreme parameter settings.
@PubliusHadrianus9 ай бұрын
that potted transformer is pretty much designed exclusively for 220V AC - i looked up the model YXE1411200192Y. China uses 220V as standard for their grid, but Europe uses 230V - that means the transformer is guaranteed to always run over-volted when imported in Europe and will fail when used for longer time above 240V AC - probably they used the eBay "warranty" / maximum refund window as the time reference for its lifespan, and that is 90 days usually. In areas with solar panels or wind turbines that are injecting energy in the grid that voltage can often rise to 250V and is still considered within the voltage spec tolerances of the European 230V standard (+/- 10%), but can cause a high rate of failure for 220V-only equipment.
@Pentti_Hilkuri9 ай бұрын
My mains seems to read 237V, that's only 7.7% extra voltage. The transformer should barely notice it.
@PubliusHadrianus9 ай бұрын
many components made with cheap chinesium electronics are only built for 5% over-voltage tolerances (if at all) and this is why they tend to fail much quicker than other equipment. Sometimes even have labels that boast a ton of certification logos on them but they are obviously fake when you open them up - in this case it's easy to tell the fake: it is impossible to have a genuine "CE" European Union logo marking on a 220V-only part thus the "CE" certification mark is obviously fake.
@paulwright83789 ай бұрын
Is cop Coefficient of Performance,I just googled it
@betterbackwards27019 ай бұрын
Think the COPE setting is for tuning the unit to thermostat or messing with it to raise your max setting. I had to boost this to increase the hotplate temp on the coffee maker. The alarm was driving me nuts!
@dav1dbone9 ай бұрын
Had to look twice, thought you had a video on the equivalent of a taxi fare meter for ladies of the night😂
@HotelPapa1009 ай бұрын
So no adjustment of regulation parameters (PID)? That's what would have been critical in the application I would have for such a device.
@U014B9 ай бұрын
COP stands for "Configuration Out of Parameters". It's trying to tell you there aren't any more settings to change.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
It's a mode that saves the current settings as the new factory-reset default. Like a "restore" setting.
@humanseagull27449 ай бұрын
Office worker plus all teachers 😂😂
@msmith29613 ай бұрын
I wonder if the '3rd thermistor' provision is actually for cold junction compensation.
@YungLasagna9 ай бұрын
Clive, have you seen the disposable nicotine devices with LCD displays? Very curious.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
I have one with an LED display.
@asdfhun9 ай бұрын
At least the calibration and the hysteresis values should have a 0,1C° step instead of 1C°.
@richardbrobeck23849 ай бұрын
Very nicely made !
@DrFiero9 ай бұрын
Throw a scope over data & ground. Wonder if that's an RS485 port?
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
RS485 would normally use a balanced pair. I think it's just a simple slow serial link.
@amorphuc9 ай бұрын
Very cool. Thanks Big Clive.
@twocvbloke9 ай бұрын
Well, it didn't go bang on powerup, or give you a zing from a lack of a discharge resistor, so, it can't be all that bad I suppose... :P
@JamsODonnell1009 ай бұрын
I appreciate your great videos. Some of which I can understand! But… I’m baffled- in what world is 14°C a “quite high” indoor temperature????
@SlartiMarvinbartfast9 ай бұрын
Clive lives in a strange world where temps are concerned, I couldn't manage to live in a house that was 10C.
@JamsODonnell1009 ай бұрын
@@SlartiMarvinbartfastha ha! Maybe he’s nuclear powered. A brief fiddle with the wires and they went up 4°C! 😊
@davey2k129 ай бұрын
The temp controller with the 3 displays is way easier to setup but only a PCB worked great for growing plants 😂
@gf888888 ай бұрын
what is the diameter of the ntc thermocouple, is it about 2/3 mm (to insert in capillary tube of fridge ?)
@MrTurboturbine9 ай бұрын
Whenever I come across any electronic interface with keypad or buttons, I long press random keys to try to find hidden settings or menus.
@shaunclarke949 ай бұрын
How are switches multiplexed? Surprised it wasn't software or jumper configurable for heating/cooling though. Would simplify inventory by only having a single unit.
@jonathantatler9 ай бұрын
It's always better looking at spare cable than for it!
@Slikx6669 ай бұрын
If memory serves me right COP means Citizens On Patrol.... 😐👍
@gavin90389 ай бұрын
Good that you could potentially drive an even bigger relay if you wanted to. Interesting construction.
@AgentOffice9 ай бұрын
Use one relay to control any other relay
@teemum.90238 ай бұрын
17:40 I don't understand why the capacitor is parallel to - and + rails and provides +5 V to + rail. How it is not serial if it affects what comes after. Paraller it just lets - and + rails go on and handles influences between - and + rails. I am a beginner and I don't understand paraller and serial intuitively. I wouldn't understand if you explained me technically.
@BrilliantDesignOnline9 ай бұрын
COP apparently stands for Coefficient of Performance.
@mikenielsen87819 ай бұрын
(4:23) 10 degrees C in your room? I've now concluded that you MUST be in Scotland...
@toxicpsion9 ай бұрын
the Data connection by the bridge is probably modbus.
@paradiselost99468 ай бұрын
used one in an incubator. was good for a season. then magic brown smoke and a lot of eggs to throw out.... i have a vague feeling it was to do with all the fluff. incubators are bad for "lint"... now its got a slightly different external one. direct mains plug. waiting for the fan to blow up next... its starting to sound a bit off after five years of feather sheaths flying around. other one i have is the peltier type. WK....1340? im not hunting through boxes to check! something like that. very good for terrariums and mushroom cultivation... not quite as accurate, 1 degree increments versus 0.1. for what it does thats acceptable. not so good for an incubator though, and i cant see a need for cooling... even if it was 42C the other day...
@DrHarryT9 ай бұрын
If you want to have power efficiency just use a little 12VDC switching supply. [DC does not matter]
@haroldsmith453029 ай бұрын
06:20 - Hysteresis Very interesting tear-down. Thank you Clive. ----- I am struggling to understand the difference between controller hysteresis and controller dead band. My tentative, incomplete, and quite likely incorrect understanding is that hysteresis and dead band exist in completely different dimensions, i.e., hysteresis is always-and-only a function of time whereas dead band is always-and-only a function of the process parameter that is being controlled (in this case, temperature). If that is true, then for an ON/OFF (non-modulating) heater controller: 1. hysteresis is the minimum amount of time that shall elapse between calls for heat; and, 2. dead band is the range of actual process temperatures in which the controller will not change state between ON and OFF. Helpful comments by trained and qualified instrumentation techs are invited.
@christianjackson95349 ай бұрын
Hysterises is the temperature difference between compressor/heater on and off. Dead band is the difference between between being in cooling or heating mode. Eg. Set at 5C with Hys of 1 and dead band of 2 will give... 6C compressor on 5C compressor off 4C you are in the dead band - nothing happens. 3C heater off 2C heater on
@LeifNelandDk9 ай бұрын
To me hysteresis and dead-band is two names for the same thing. Minimum time off or on is a different thing altogether.
@michaelturner44579 ай бұрын
"Chunky heavy magnetic transformer, unlikely to fail". Unless the thermal fuse blows that is.
@Sonny_McMacsson9 ай бұрын
Then the fuse is unlikely to blow. If it does, its failure probability is now 100%.
@ricardobranco73579 ай бұрын
Tend to use them on motorbike tyre warmers, cheap enough ive had to replace a few as they can fail at the screen though board interface. I ended up getting a touch version, there are a few different types all called STC-1000.
@moeburn9 ай бұрын
I hate it when they use the same resolution for celsius as farenheit. It means the farenheit users get more precision than the celsius users, because a 1 degree F change is smaller than a 1 degree C change.
@d614gakadoug99 ай бұрын
The reality is that the only thing likely to have well-controlled temperature is the sensor. Everything else in most systems will be at some other temperature, so display resolution is moot. Now if you are using something like a rapidly stirred water bath in a lab and have a thermometer adequate to calibrate the system, then an extra digit would be useful.
@moeburn9 ай бұрын
@@d614gakadoug9 Okay but I just made an Arduino meat thermometer with 0.1F resolution because I want it
@p_mouse86768 ай бұрын
I was using that exact same controller for our aquarium that died two days ago. The temperature reading is drifting all over the place.
@BigClive8 ай бұрын
Check the temperature probe for signs of water ingress or wire cracking. Also make sure the wires are routed away from electronic stuff like LED lights.
@thorhammer60408 ай бұрын
looked it up and not a lot of information on the website.
@bigliftm9 ай бұрын
i work for a company that repairs vending machines and coolers. problem with these controllers is that the compressor relay gets stuck and the compressor keeps running. This results in exploded soda cans and a big mess in the machine.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
That's why it makes sense to add an extra thermal safety switch in-line with the compressor as an extra backup.
@brianallen98109 ай бұрын
I like the fact that you can cap the temperatures higher or lower. Pretty well made for a Chinese controller, looks as those it's not for consumption in China, too well made.
@RFC35149 ай бұрын
Clive, do you have any experience with the temperature controllers used in heat presses (the kind used to stamp T-shirts)? I found two menu options on mine, labelled "PAt" and "Pld" (accessed by holding down the "+" and "-" buttons as the press is turned on). "Pld" can be set to -1, 0, or 1 (no idea what this is). "PAt" can be set to any value between 0 and 60 (probably a timer). There's also a "C-F" menu option that (unsurprisingly) switches between ºC and ºF.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
I'm not sure. Maybe for sensor calibration. I've just ordered a basic heat press, so may explore the settings.
@RFC35149 ай бұрын
I considered that, but it only ranges from -1 to 0 to 1. Seems a very narrow range for calibration. I suppose it's also possible that "Pld" sets the "direction" of the calibration and "PAt" sets the value of that calibration. Which would be a weird way of doing things, as opposed to having a single parameter ranging from -60 to 60. And the fact that the second one goes up to 60 really suggests a timer. It does have other parameters for minimum and maximum temperature, etc., but those are in the "normal" menu. The hidden menu only has those three (PId, C-F and PAt). I did notice an interesting detail; the heating element snakes across the plate and then back again, but has 3 connections (one at each end and one in the middle), which I assume is so they can use the same part for both ~115 and ~230 volts (but it doesn't auto-switch).
@sparkyprojects9 ай бұрын
Doing a search, the only thing i found was "Coefficient of Performance (COP) of Heat Pumps", they say a setting of 2.5 to 3.5 is normal.
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
I should update the description. It turns out it may be a way to store the current settings as the new factory default. Probably to allow quick restoration of operation after people have meddled with the settings.
@wolpumba40999 ай бұрын
*Summary* - 0:29 The temperature controller being discussed is superior to generic eBay models. - 0:56 It has better construction and uses traditional power components and an external high-current relay for easy replacement. - 0:59 The controller includes a potted 2VA transformer and good filtering on the thermistor input. - 2:16 It is suitable for resistive heating loads and can control up to three external relays. - 2:51 The PCB is standard with provisions for two thermistors, potentially a third, a fourth button, and a sounder. - 0:39 The unit was purchased at a lower price because it was sold as a refrigeration controller instead of heating. - 4:13 The display shows the measured temperature, and pressing a button allows the user to adjust the set temperature. - 5:00 Programming features include setting the user-adjustable temperature range, hysteresis, delay start, thermistor calibration, and unit measurement (Celsius or Fahrenheit). - 6:23 Hysteresis and delay start prevent rapid cycling of loads and reduce stress on equipment. - 8:30 The video's presenter is curious about the real-world reliability of these controllers. - 9:12 The transcript details the presenter's examination of the controller's design, functionality, and settings. - 9:37 The controller is noted for its industrial application and serviceable components. - 13:39 *Reverse engineering begins* - Designed as a universal unit for refrigeration equipment - Has three outputs to switch three relays: compressor, defrost heater, and fan - Suitable for cold rooms or refrigerated cases in supermarkets - Controller cycles between cooling, defrosting (heater on, compressor and fan off), and then back to cooling - Includes a beeper for alarm situations - AC input converted to a rectified and smoothed DC voltage (14-17 volts) - Voltage regulation and filtering capacitors provide stable supply rails - Microcontroller drives the display and buttons via multiplexing - Supports two thermistor inputs with an option for a third one - Unregulated 12V output, ground, and data line for remote display/button interface - Features a programming port - The circuit includes a transformer, a rectifying bridge, voltage regulator, and filtering capacitors - Thermistor inputs are heavily filtered to ensure stable readings - Microcontroller drives the multiplexed display and processes button inputs - There are four transistor outputs: three for relay control and one for the sounder - The design includes snubber diodes to protect against voltage spikes from relay switching - The board is versatile and designed for reliability and serviceability - Components include a durable transformer, high-quality relays, and a robust power supply - The unit is designed to be long-lasting with low-frequency power components - Model SF-101 SH general purpose temperature controller, versatile and reliable
@trueriver19509 ай бұрын
The number 888 is considered particularly auspicious in China. Perhaps when you turn it on it's not doing a display test but just invoking good luck
@RickyMcSpanish9 ай бұрын
You should take a look at the 12v Chinese diesel heaters that are going about. People have been fitting them to conservatories as well as the usual campervans
@BigClive9 ай бұрын
I have a couple here.
@RickyMcSpanish9 ай бұрын
@@BigClive Aww that would be brilliant for a wee review
@thorhammer60408 ай бұрын
COP I wonder if that is continuous operation or possibly a way to cool instead of heat? What is the upper button on the set side?
@BigClive8 ай бұрын
It turned out that COP was for changing the factory default settings to allow easier recovery from tampering. The fourth button is for other module applications.