Inside Sia and Maddie Ziegler's CREEPY Relationship

[@CarolinaKley]

Maddie saying she didn't want to do it and Sia forcing her to shows how this dynamic isn't healthy. Then Sia saying she isn't interested in doing art without Maddie? What about when Maddie is done with it and ready to move on? This is a whole new level of emotional blackmail.

[@LonnieE3g]

That's when shit really gon hit the fan!

[@morganb673]

blackmail? how about plain abuse

[@CarolinaKley]

@@morganb673 emotional blackmail is a type of abuse...

[@whodatninja439]

maddie was just 14 at the time. she couldnt say no. sia needs to be cancelled over this. how on earth is this offensive vanity project ok

[@bya1281]

@@whodatninja439 actually she could have sia tweeted her but it was obviously a wonderful opportunity

[@astral-x9n]

These people NEED to realize that women can be predators too. Just because someone is a woman, does not mean they are automatically harmless and can be trusted. This is absolutely creepy, and should not have even had the opportunity to happen and NOT be called out from the get go.

[@flashfunk0373]

Unfortunately, Hollyweird allows these types of women and men to go on with their careers without charges.

[@xojacquie7356]

I agree with you 100%. Poor Maddie was groomed from a very young age. Where was Maddie’s parents? Super uncomfortable.

[@flashfunk0373]

@@xojacquie7356 Using her as a cash cow.

[@astoldby]

@@dnmitch Because she is woman and white too I believe. (IMO)

[@loglady33]

Oh yes. This SO much. Being a woman doesn't make the person harmless, it's just dumb to assume that

[@samalama2334]

I am a girl who has been molested by a women. Women can be predators too. i was very worried when i heard that sia sleeps next to maddie. i hope maddie is ok.

[@samalama2334]

A couple of other people have said the same thing and were suspected of molestation. i mean look at micheal jackson.

[@shylawilliams101]

im a girl who was also sexually assaulted (ra***) by older women as well. their relationship definitely gives me weird vibes ..

[@sleepystars8482]

I have been saying this is a bizarre relationship for a while now. It's messed up imo.

[@astoldby]

I'm sorry that happened to you. 😔

[@ninabosch1132]

I’m sorry you had to go through that, you are so strong!

[@julesevs]

A grown woman 'snuggling' with a minor and nothing was said? Wow that shocked me - predators can be male or female!

[@Rose7576_]

@@tweaky2785 they’re still your family. Would you ever let your kids cuddle with a random woman unrelated to you?

[@DiscordEmail]

@@tweaky2785 You’re dodging the question. It’s a simple “I would let my child cuddle with a strange woman” or “I would not let my child cuddle with a strange woman.” We’re not talking about aunties here. Plus not to alarm you, but most child abuse cases are done by close family members so…

[@cheesethekoala8756]

@@DiscordEmail Sia’s not a stranger though in Maddie’s life... The real question is “Would you let your kids snuggle with an adult person that plays a big role in the child’s life?” Whether her place in the child’s life is okay or good for the child is a completely different question but is also a matter of you don’t know the whole story

[@petep5207]

@@Rose7576_ Most people are molested by....wait for it....family

[@frankslefttesticle3247]

@@tweaky2785 It's weird to do unless they're your kids. If you aren't related to them it's very fucking strange and if a man was doing it he'd be in jail. It's because she's a woman, that's why people don't care. I was raped by multiple women, no one cared. Same thing may be happening to madi.

[@kyrahwilliams6185]

“She cried on the first day of rehearsals and she was really scared” Yet you guys still forced her to do it?

[@jordangraybill1374]

In her words she can’t do nothing without Maddie she relies on Maddie to get her fame/views and whatever else

[@firstnamelastnamecanada337]

Sea says she knows when Maddie doesn't want to do something yet she mad her be in a movie she didn't want to be in (Evidence she cried on the first day of rehearsal)

[@claireemily1983]

But she did a really great job 👏

[@ziggywalsh5562]

If you’ve watched DanceMoms, you know that Maddie cried every time she thinks/worries that what she’s doing isn’t 100% perfect.

[@dakotamathews6808]

@@claireemily1983 that’s a joke right? Have you asked an autistic person how they feel about the movie because we are OFFERED by this and I don’t get offended by anything

[@exxiyya4855]

Why do people not realize that women can be predators tooooo!!! That's so weird.

[@MimiRAM0NE]

Exactly what I was thinking. People are in really deep denial.

[@meIatonin]

once he started talking about when Sia said she “never loved anyone like maddie” and snuggles her in bed i got sooo uncomfy 🤮

[@SerVahnt]

She was souled to Sia at a young age. These predators are everywhere.

[@Melanie-zk4yb]

@@meIatonin HUGE RED FLAG

[@excusemeum....8053]

People can see women as predators, but compared to men it makes women look innocent.

[@eden3734]

Always be wary of people who are more excited to spend time with your child than you are. That’s a red flag, especially if they’re not family.

[@lilyjane570]

TOTALLY like its one thing to not mind baby sitting or being excited to hang out with someone and their child but there is totally a level of unhealthy interest that everyone should take seriously and be concerned about.

[@venusbeautygirl]

Totally agree☝👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@ambershaw374]

If Sia was a man people would be not ok with this.

[@ambershaw374]

Reminds me of Micheal Jackson

[@Alex-ee1dq]

@@ambershaw374 Yes! Just like that poor boy from MJ's Pepsi or Coke commercial.

[@JordanSchell12]

It’s definitely weird. I’ve felt close to children that weren’t family as if they were my family but she’s crossing a line being way too controlling and the way she speaks about her sounds like an obsession

[@flamingmonkeyheads]

literally. like working in childcare i have definitely felt the closeness and protection one can feel with a child, but i've never slept in the same bed as them. what the fuck.

[@yyyd6559]

Do you know sia personally, have you heard from her point of view?

[@NRELDN90]

You're making it seem like "Controlling her" is the only issue, which is twisted, because she's been inappropriate towards her. I bet if she was a man, you'd have said something different, your purple hair is blocking your judgment.

[@ngndnd]

even then, unless theyre your own child or sibling then you shouldnt be acting like that with them. You would let your child cuddle up with another family member just bc theyre family?

[@mariadonkova2759]

​@@ngndndOkay well theres a difference between a niece and an aunt vs random person

[@Ghostmar9]

Ok but why is Maddie always surrounded by adults that are obsessed with her?! Like Abby Lee and now Sia....

[@piiinkDeluxe]

She doesn't have a concept of boundaries.

[@narcis3720]

@@piiinkDeluxe her parents first and foremost don't have a concept of boundaries

[@piiinkDeluxe]

@@narcis3720 them too. If you don't heal trauma, you pass it on.

[@deprimeplatypus490]

and her mom seems f'up too. before sia she said she 'shares her daughters with abby' too and its honestly disturbing what those kids went through cuz of that show

[@angeliqpearl7125]

@@piiinkDeluxe it's her parent's fault especially Melissa. Like Melissa let Abby be Maddie's dance teacher and Abby somehow got obsessed with Maddie. Now Melissa let Sia be with Maddie and shes also obsessed with Maddie. Honestly I feel bad for Maddie because at a young age she got attached with a grown women (Abby) that started to separate her from the other girls. Melissa shouldn't let any other women or men be with Maddie especially those that are much older than her because they just want her fame and money

[@thatbluegirl7528]

DONT FORGET: Maddie is the only person she follows on Instagram and her settings are put so that only her mutuals can comment. So her comment section and her feed can only be Maddie (but fans used to be able to comment though)

[@angelicaberisha8974]

Wait what the fuckkkkk

[@Nehway]

Okay, that’s weird as hell.

[@ddreamer0001]

hol up thats some weird shit wtf

[@mooie8975]

That's so weird-

[@satorumybeloved]

ewww

[@mireyya]

If you watched Dance Moms you know Melissa let the adults in Maddie’s life be almost like co-parents as long as Maddie got ahead. I’m not saying she doesn’t deserve the success but her relationship with Abby was similar and look at them now. Their relationship is definitely weird.

[@kayleemcgowan3973]

Yep Melissa's sickening n will sell n of her kids to the highest bidder.

[@abbyz13]

This. I wish there was more blame on the parents in these situations bc they deserve jail time for basically pimping her out honestly

[@vrishtiroy5587]

Yeaah so true

[@jessicaann1079]

Abby stole Maddie first kiss

[@ambercooper4676]

I feel like there’s way a little bit of a difference though, Melissa never let Maddie spend the night with Abby, or Abby ever feel like she was Maddie parent, Abby did have lines drawn, but yes it was easy to see that Maddie was Abby favorite. But I get bad vibes from Sia, I feel like she’s been grooming Maddie and acting very unprofessional and obsessive over a young girl. People need to look further into it.

[@ataliehill1189]

I'm so sad for Maddie. Every woman in her life has harmed her. Melissa, Abby and Sia. While Maddie hasn't openly said anything abt it, the writing's on the wall. That girl has been pressured to be perfect and be a star since she was a toddler. I hope she breaks out one day

[@morraradioactiva6279]

damn, that's so unfortunately true...and i remember an episode of dance moms where literally Abby KISSED Maddie on the LIPS like dude, that was so freaking unnecesary and creepy

[@Midknightveins]

I remember on dance moms when Maddie first did the chandelier music video and both Melissa and Abby said Maddie had a special relationship with Sia. Always thought it was weird

[@lynnmealy6377]

Agreed ! Used to her limits. Everyone has them. I'm glad she has grown, and is setting her own limits. First part of healing, setting limits, and realizing you don't have to be perfect. And in time realizing you already are ! Maddie has come along way. But it was no easy task. She has worked hard and continues to do so. Good luck with the future Maddie the best is yet to come.

[@w3gon3]

I feel like Maddie always has a unhealthy relationship with older women. Like Abby, Sia, her mom etc

[@Morg.000]

Her mom what😭

[@w3gon3]

@Patrick Flomo yes, her mom. I feel like her mom would do anything for money. She also allowed these women to influence Maddie’s life

[@tonedef010]

it’s called healthy relationships. 😐

[@Morg.000]

@@w3gon3 that’s no technically an unhealthy relationship

[@Morg.000]

@Alex C it’s not unusual for moms that have kids in the Hollywood industries to do anything for them to make money from their kids, it’s sad be not unusual

[@dorksouls978]

If a 40+ year old guy was talking about falling in love with an 11 year old dancing "in her little black leotard" and then having snuggles and sleepovers then there'd be a fucking outcry.

[@sjncore]

this

[@Joni44379]

This is seen as normal. Yet when Michael Jackson admitted to snuggling children people freaked out. If it is wrong for one its wrong for the other. This is what people mean by double standards.

[@Thewrongshoes2]

Thankyou!! Its all creepy/very wrong, but when she said about the leotard it made my skin crawl 🤮🤢. How is everyone OK with this?!

[@ananabananana7567]

It literally sounds like one of the "friendships" talked about in Leaving Neverland

[@dorksouls978]

@April April what difference does it make?

[@rosiebrown2878]

If sia was a guy everyone would be taking this much more seriously. i wish people realised that women can be predators too.

[@Ohnogoblin]

I agree, but people still want to defend Michael Jackson so maybe not...

[@JustASHINeegirl25]

@@Ohnogoblin Michael Jackson was never proven guilty though. Just let the man Rest In Peace

[@wt4892]

Absolutely not men get away with this every time.

[@JustASHINeegirl25]

@Alex C Are you stupid or smth😐

[@Alexis_005]

People are aware. Just statistically is less common

[@PurpleMoonFlute]

Her talking about how much she realized she ' loved' her when she was dancing in a skin tight leotard...that really did not sit right with me. As a former dancer, I can tell you that there are definitely predatory types amongst dance teachers and choreographers and the like. It's the same with the film industry ( as we've very clearly seen ), only this time, the kids are mostly in tight fitting leotards and tights and all, and that makes it a much more vulnerable situation or the child.

[@pizzafrenzyman]

"little black..." not "tight"

[@PurpleMoonFlute]

@@pizzafrenzyman um no they're definitely tight. They're literally designed to show the shape of your body. Trust me I've been in them multiple times.

[@pizzafrenzyman]

@@PurpleMoonFlute That is not what she said. You are misquoting her, and ultimately mischaracterizing her statement. Go back and listen to it.

[@xxnekonekox]

the chandelier music video creeped me out because they have her dancing in this skin colored tight leotard and it just gave me shivers because I dont think children should be exposed like that.

[@Radisgrek]

Yes that's the bit that disturbed me the most!!! Dancing in her "little black leotard" GROSS GROSS GROSS

[@simranshah3585]

The fact that a 14 year old maddie was able to understand that the role might offend someone and Sia didn't gave me goosebumps

[@erinnnyu1079]

Maddie is 18.

[@skyenby9247]

@@erinnnyu1079 not when shooting the movie

[@erinnnyu1079]

@@skyenby9247 Ah, I just realized. I apologize.

[@natalie.s7226]

Shooting what movie?

[@erinnnyu1079]

@@natalie.s7226 Music. Music was Sia's idea. It's about an autistic teenager played by Maddie. It offended quite a few people.

[@LadyCaspar]

My daughters have ONE mother. I would never “share” them with another woman. That makes me actually angry to think about.

[@Tayonaa]

I never met anyone that’s wants to share their daughter it’s beyond creepy

[@lauram.7038]

Yes, childs aren't objects. They're not mean to share!

[@sangueguerriero9538]

$$$$$$

[@TheSapphireLeo]

*Unless she was your wife and/or partner.

[@AWKWARDCONFIDENCE]

Maddies mum would do anything for money even sleep with her boss, remember her on dance moms?

[@niyazzi]

The fact that Melissa said they sleep in the same bed...

[@niyazzi]

@@lindseystein9676 ikrrr, like she's not even related to her but treats her like her own child

[@vanciebrown480]

Michael Jackson vibes

[@sleepystars8482]

@@vanciebrown480 totally

[@alexandrarenee6764]

@@vanciebrown480 crazy because she called out mj but she can be called out for the same things

[@milacruz3970]

WShy on earth would you let your child to sleep on the same bed with a grown adult. Even in families weird shit happens.

[@damiesapphire2643]

as a lesbian this does sounds like a predatory behavior like she's literally grooming her, that's not mom's love it more than that and its obvious

[@thatlady7193]

Um no. . Şia is not gay

[@jacquelynxo]

@@thatlady7193 she didn’t say sia was gay

[@jang6540]

Sia IS bi tho....she said it herself that she has dated men and women....and I agree with quinn.That's textbook predatory behaviour.....but since she's a woman people don't seem to care as much.

[@theresamushroomonmyshirt7783]

@@subscribee9792 i think she points it out because people often dismiss female predators and even more so of it's a same-sex situation

[@kpopislifeline4445]

Why can’t Maddie see that the problem isn’t Abby or sia cause it’s her own mom.. Melissa is really disgusting human being … like I have so so so many reasons I can’t even comprehend

[@milacruz3970]

This sounds to me like gr*omming. Ugh, I won't get tired of saying this: Children do not belong in any industry! We must protect them.

[@swaggotea]

Oh trust me you’re not wrong. They should be building up to fame in studies and not start immediately. But sometimes we need kid actors and actresses.

[@firstnamelastnamecanada337]

There should be a law that child actors can only be casted in one role before there 18th birthday. Ex a child could be a actor in one movie and than they can't take any role in music, dancing, stage performance, commercials or any other movie/ TV show until they are 18 so that adults have less time to groom each child and the abuse will become harder to commit.

[@Elsie-xu6ie]

@@firstnamelastnamecanada337 Personally, I think 18 is too old. Some 16 and 17 year old actors completely support themselves. I think there should be better laws for child protection in the industry, 100%, but we also need to consider that some of the children and teens want this to be their forever job, and if they can't build up a reseme then they won't get that forever job they want. They should be allowed to have as many roles as possible, but it should be stricter who is permitted to work with the children, that's just my thoughts however.

[@loswrld5707]

‼️NORMALIZE THAT WOMEN CAN BE PREDATORS TOO‼️ JUST BECAUSE A PERSON IS A WOMAN DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY CANT HURT OTHERS‼️

[@cr4tt3mndt71]

😇

[@lovelylayla2803]

Absolutely

[@ducc0287]

Preach

[@KshipsinKchups]

True but it won't change the fact that there are more male predators.

[@Hoshimiya_Star]

@@KshipsinKchupsdoes that matter tho

[@kelseygonzales184]

Maddie's mom IS the problem in this weird relationship... as a mom... you literally have one job. One job...

[@maryreed4534]

You are absolutely right!

[@brooklyn2786]

She wants attention literally all the moms on dance moms. They don't care boyt they kids

[@Gothik16AnGel]

I cannot believe there’s people who defend Michael Jackson.

[@katherinepeace3564]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@yesmaam090]

Ya she shares her children. Pretty messed up. Maddies father on the show early on expressed how all of the dance and fame destroyed his family. And maddies mother divorced him for another man to pay for dance class.

[@Jordys_Cursed_Camera]

I really can't believe Sia took Maddie on tour with her. She was so young and I really don't think her mother should've let her go. I would NEVER let my young child go on tour with anyone no matter who they were.

[@seanbardwell2067]

Yea well Maddie was already a proficient dance artist before that, more than your kids will ever be

[@aminadodd7531]

​@@seanbardwell2067that literally has nothing to do with the comment. We know how talented maddie is. But she was a little girl away on tour, alone, with a thirty some year old woman.

[@MinistryOfCommonSense]

Wait for the documentary called 'Shattering the Chandelier' the truth behind the the relationship.

[@idc4163]

Wait, is that an actual thing?

[@belladoan2068]

@@idc4163 not yet

[@tyradavis6045]

I’m sorry I didn’t meant to laugh, but the title😂

[@southernhoodoobelle3099]

Girl you better screenshot this thread in case somebody takes that title because it's gold 😂😂

[@ninatrevino3256]

Damn that’s a good title!!!

[@_aokigahara_]

i wonder how sias TWO kids feel about her saying she “loves” maddie so much like a “first born child” GIRL YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FIRST BORN

[@stephaniehoran]

Sia has infertility issues, she adopted her kids.....

[@TheJazluvscats]

@@stephaniehoran doesn’t matter if they are adopted. They’re still her kids. Obviously she doesn’t love them the way a mother should if she’s saying that about some other random child she hired when the child was 11.

[@stephaniehoran]

@@TheJazluvscats You have no idea if that's actually her child or not though...it could have been a situation where she had a surrogate. Just because she's a celebrity, doesn't mean we are entitled to know every single detail about her life. Maddie looks more like Sia, than her own Mother. My reply about her children being adopted, was in response to the original poster, talking about her first born. She didn't give birth so she didn't get that joy of having a first born.

[@shalomgbibel2195]

@@stephaniehoran she obviously didn't give birth to Maddie either, so I don't see your point. If she had surrogate kids like you said, then she agreed to become a parent to those kids, surrogate or not. She should be acting like that to her own kids instead of idolizing the child of another womani

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

@@parrotpirate9648 it doesn’t matter. They are HER kids, and she agreed to be a mother to them. Not Maddie.

[@courts2598]

If you watched the Dance Moms show- Melissa seemed nuts. She seemed like she’d do anything to get Maddie famous.

[@eccho1]

Exactly

[@brendamendoza4134]

Yes!!!! And once she got fame she distance herself a bit from the show. Of course other drama played but I honestly feel like she found it as an excuse to exist

[@delaneyreyes8995]

Melissa is disgusting. She's an awful mother.

[@zingafied]

melissa is definitely an opportunist.

[@alexisrashayi8686]

but then dance moms was edited and scripted to make the mothers seem more dramatic and to make the children look like crybabies

[@b1tcgf4ce82]

Her mom is definitely playing a part in this creep fest. As a mother you should be realising how disturbing and wrong this is as protect your child and see when your child is being controlled and mistreated and exploited and possibly molested. Sickening. Thankyou Sloan for opening everyones eyes to this matter who havent noticed this already.

[@casidollfacekilla8723]

The sentence reminds me of the Micheal Jackson fiasco.

[@Qssential]

Maddie has been groomed before by Abby Lee in Dance Moms. I remember the other moms complaining about how Maddie's mom would leave her and her sister with Abby while she flew around the world with her boyfriend. She doesn't care.

[@aoriiyes]

abby never GROOMED maddie she was really obsessed w her but she never groomed her ^^

[@ehhhno9932]

@@aoriiyes tbh she may have groomed her, Abby definitely tried her best isolating Maddie from the other girls with the “they’ll never be happy for you, they’re jealous vultures”

[@Catalina-Winemixer]

@@ehhhno9932 and now she cries that the Zieglers don’t visit her to tend to her in her wheelchair. Like bitch, you made their childhood a nightmare.

[@ontxtteredwxngs]

@@aoriiyes that's grooming

[@Katie2595]

Umm I don’t think what Abby did was grooming, because in interviews maddie was well aware Abby wasn’t a nice person and she was never really isolated by the other girls in fact there was all that drama that maddie was actually best friends with Brooke and Paige way more than Chloe was. However with sia it is grooming because maddie doesn’t seem to be scared of sia or is aware of what she was doing to her.

[@cosmicscarecrowgirl]

I feel like Sia is living vicariously through Maddie.

[@carolsanders3979]

Nailed it .

[@industrialalliance9905]

Definitely Sia acts like a codependent mom

[@Dani_1012]

That is definitely what she's doing

[@learning.growing.1017]

YES, I think you nailed it

[@fayeevpt]

Maybe you just don’t want to see the potential for another kind of abuse, bc she’s a woman, so you’ve created this narrative

[@morgan.b.writes]

Abby Lee Miller was the first one to treat Maddie this way. She’s used to it and probably assumes this is a normal relationship.

[@Dani_1012]

@Carrie Parker She kissed Maddie on the lips in one Dance Moms episode... ew

[@8AKI47]

@@Dani_1012 maddie looks soo uncomfortable

[@samalama2334]

@@CC-mc9dw yea this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3exXoyMoLGYg7s

[@lovelylayla2803]

@@Dani_1012 EW WHATTTTTT

[@fluoroantimonicacid4844]

​@@Dani_1012predator behavior ew she deserve on watchlist immediately 🤢

[@Weirder_the_better]

This is where the double-standard is so apparent in our culture. This relationship was inappropriate - point blank. People ridiculed Michael Jackson for having very similar relationships with underaged stars but when it's a female, no one even talks about it or knows it's happening.

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

THIS Michael jackson never intended to harm any kids,never The kids and their parents could all asure you he was an innocent man and he was just trying to live the childhood he never had as a kid star Meanwhile sia is an adult woman who is actively grooming maddie but nobody bats an eye

[@mellowmallow4855]

The most effed up thing about this is that there are actual HEALTHY relationships between young girls and mother figures. (Yes, even if they have a mother). Sia just... Doesn't sit right with me. Because it's not maternal love, it's mostly obsession.

[@brianagarcia7387]

So weird i feel for maddie. Sia needs to be investigated

[@Introvertsan]

I think it's an obsession and she views her as her muse

[@elliot_rat]

yeah, non-pedo relationships can definitely be a thing. it's horrifying how rare they are though compared to the fucked up ones

[@mellowmallow4855]

@@elliot_rat They're actually not that rare. They're just not the only ones we're talking about. Now that people are willing to pay attention and expose how disturbing some adult-child relationships are we are see how pervasive it has always been in our society.

[@fauna8049]

@@tala954 Did you ignore how Sia blatantly said she's obsessed with her?

[@Alex-ee1dq]

I mean an adult shouldn't have a "relationship" with a child that they aren't related to. Even if Sia isn't a sexual predator she's controlling and weird. I honestly have to wonder how long it will take for Maddie to realise all adults in her life are toxic in one way or another. I am 26 and it took me 24 years to realise my mother is super toxic and sort of Dr Phil show material, because she's not textbook abusive. At Maddie's age you unfortunately shape your view of the world based on how adult act around you and towards you, and even the oddest behaviour can become the norm until you learn better.

[@djfhfh]

Not everyone is a pedophile 🙄🙄 theres alots of teachers, gym owners, football coaches who have developed realtionships with troubled teens and helped were their own parents coudlnt

[@georgeaustiniv2456]

I’m not sure but I’m pretty sure that Sia is actually Maddie’s godmother

[@pikachulovable]

@@djfhfh would you let your child have a one on one sleepover with their coach

[@djfhfh]

@@pikachulovablehell no, but doesnt mean the person a pedophile.

[@pikachulovable]

@@djfhfh I don’t think it’s necessarily does but it can be a groomer vibe. I don’t know if SA is involved here but it’s creepy

[@no3miiiz]

Maddie’s mom looks like she would sell her daughter’s soul for a price.

[@brooklyn2786]

Every mom on dance mom: Toxic bitches don't even care bout they kids will literally cuss at kids.

[@anelemadikizela904]

What makes you think she hasn't already

[@WonderwomanFitness]

Right.

[@babycrystal5506]

@@brooklyn2786 Except Holly

[@starlight-eo5ee]

@@babycrystal5506 Ya holly literally cares about the other kids more than there own mom probably and also Christy they would stand up for their kids and wouldn't let them be shamed

[@nicolefox6434]

For those saying it's innocent, go back through this video and imagine a man saying exactly the same things. It's totally inappropriate, there should always be boundaries for children and that's not just for girl/man, boy/woman. Maddie's mother is largely at fault.

[@naemyuwuxd246]

Ddnevadas

[@Lotusflo90]

Yes exactly this is not OK.. how her mom going to let her sleep over when she's 12 yrs old with an older women.... what's wrong with mom's not doing everything to protect their kids

[@drumsalive]

@@Lotusflo90 the way maddies mum acts I feel sad though her mum grew with a nassistic and she was victim .. her mum is always wanting to please everyone

[@krystinaland4137]

I can. Michael Jackson sounded like this and i don't think he's innocent.

[@krystinaland4137]

@@KnockknockJ yea that's how people got away with things too. 🤔

[@vanilladelrey2512]

I feel so bad for maddie now I realize why she's so protective to her little sister meckenzi it's like she's trying to protect her from all the things that she had to go through):

[@srgscience]

Do you know that Sia wrote a song for Mackenzie ziegler? I do not really know why you drag Sia through the trash just because people think that something is off with Sia. Sia never forced Maddie to do anything and reather acts like a mother to her reather than just some randome woman.

[@Diana21458]

@@srgscience She's under contract, of course she can be forced to do anything.

[@fortheloveofketchup]

@@srgscience Sia... Forced Maddie to play an autistic caricature. Sia said so herself--Maddie cried cause she didn't wanna be offensive.

[@angeliqpearl7125]

@@srgscience well Maddie is on a contract with Sia. We never know if Sia actually forces Maddie to do things she's uncomfortable with like the movie that Sia made. Maddie didn't want to get involve in it yet she was because she's on a contract...

[@anak6748]

@@srgscience Maddie is under a contract right now.. so she IS literally being forced to work with her now

[@Rowlol]

Remember when people absolutely lost it when Michael Jackson said that children would sleep in his bedroom with him? Many years later and Sia is “snuggling” with a 12 year old and no one says anything...just because...she’s a woman? That’s so messed up dude!

[@kcrow430]

Good point.

[@Ihatewater9000]

Yep. That poor guy was ripped to pieces and ruined his life.. now, it’s almost considered normal with certain types of people. Matties mother threw her to the wolves for fame & fortune.

[@cocos.9730]

Yes. What is wrong from a gender is wrong from the other too.

[@wonkydonkey8349]

Um lots of people are saying it dumbass - that’s why we are watching this

[@Rowlol]

@@wonkydonkey8349 First of all, you should watch your mouth sweety. I could waste my time explaining why I’m right about the fact that this isn’t widely known. But fuck it. People agree with me for a reason. Stay pressed :)

[@victoriazamudio7583]

Okay so, imagine that Sia is a man. Now imagine him doing these same things with Maddie. Everyone would be on his toes about how inappropriate that relationship is but because she is a woman they see it as "motherly". This is not okay.

[@xenalovell4500]

Agree

[@aleciamarie817]

I agree!!

[@doris3317]

👌🏻 nailed it

[@roryvandegrift5992]

Agree

[@madelinebrennan7603]

It’ll be interesting to hear what Maddie thinks of that relationship when she’s an adult and mother. She is too young to understand the implications now :/

[@madelinebrennan7603]

@@johannagro6506 do you remember being 19? I'm 57. most 19 year olds feel they're adults, and are legally adults, and psychologically/emotionally (especially Americans) are still quite immature. (MS clinical psych so not talking out of my ass). believe me--she's basically a teenager developmentally.

[@madelinebrennan7603]

@@johannagro6506 and what we're responding to is that at 19, she probably emotionally doesn't know what she's doing to "handle it" and later in her life may regret it, or more likely, say, "what was sia doing? i was 19??" time will tell, won't it?

[@madelinebrennan7603]

@@Lanearndt There are a lot of assumptions and leaps in reasoning in your response.

[@alkahinat4558]

@@Lanearndtthe prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed till around 25-27 That’s the area of the brain responsible for making decisions and being able to weigh the consequences of those decisions The average person isn’t fully mentally grown till 25. The fact society doesn’t really acknowledge that, is very strange to me

[@dylanznas6315]

I normally hate it when people say “what if genders were reversed!?” But I feel like this is one of those cases

[@bellciante]

It’s fitting in a lot of cases but yea

[@makaylacaton6441]

@@bellciante Chris Cornell!

[@cashappsupport8597]

Nah I think this is a completely different situation. I think Sia knows she is too old for her face to be the face of her music so she met Maddie and felt a strong connection with Maddie as if Maddie and her thought the same. Like if you have an older sibling you're really close with and you see yourself in each other. I think Sia saw herself in Maddie and is guiding Maddie to make better decisions than Sia did at her age. This guy is saying all this creepy shit but Sia has taken Maddie 100,000 miles farther than anyone else would for a normal person. Like if Maddie was the plane and Sia was the captain, one without the other just wouldn't work

[@dylanznas6315]

@morag sorat woah woah woah. You got it right in the first part. I do hate it because it’s used in misogynistic ways. I apologize if I offended you

[@ken-qx9jw]

@@cchewwitup cause most of the time they just say that to defend the actual bad person.

[@nathansmith8492]

I watched Dance Moms... Maddie's mom is a terrible parent.

[@spikyeyelashes5890]

i’ll second that! she’ll do anything to get her kids (especially maddie) ahead of everyone else. i’m pretty sure christi or kelly said this multiple times but it’s true. even if it means putting her kids in dangerous situations

[@cherryblossom2494]

Yeah, Melissa is crazy as hell, she needs to have her parental rights terminated

[@hopehurley1151]

the majority of those moms are terrible tbh

[@marandarussellpoet]

@@hopehurley1151 Thank God for Holly, the sanest one!

[@lindseyfanning256]

the absolute worst

[@flowerbombdiamond]

“She was there in her little black leotard” that instantly made me feel uncomfortable.

[@samanthamartellaro6877]

Me too! Red flag 🚩

[@kookycoolauntkaryn5884]

It wasn't even the words.... it was almost the way the sound of it crept up my spine and make the hair on the back of my neck stand up.... there is something wrong with that.... something not right at all.... very very bad... ewww

[@e.starling141]

Yeah this whole situation immediately creeped me out. I knew they had worked together but I had no idea Sia and Maddie had such a close relationship, to the point were what he was describing was making me uncomfortable. A grown woman does NOT cuddle with a 12 yr old she didnt raise. Its just wrong. As wrong as it woukd be if Sia was a man instead. I'm very much now convinced that Sia has issues and has more than "maternal" feelings for Maddie. Maybe one day Maddie will come forward. But thats her decison of course. Obviously we dont know for sure, but when you have any adult that is super interested in a child and simultaneously can MAKE that childs career, it puts the child in a bad position. (Epsecially if they have a mother that's more concerned about them gaining fame then their personal heath and safety.) And children are already easily manipulated by adults without the worry that their career wont take off without their help. This story just makes me sad.

[@fireside3313]

Chrissie Tiegen vibes.

[@desertgirl3374]

Reminds me of how Madeline McCanns parents spoke of her

[@TheBayouBabe]

As a mother to two beautiful and intelligent children, I can't for the life of me understand how her ACTUAL mother was ok with this. She was either extremely naive, starstruck or there may have been a financial incentive.

[@lysol1216]

why would she bring up her “little black leotard” that seems so creepy to me

[@fayeevpt]

Eughhhhhhh definitely seems like she was attracted to her 🤢

[@clan_fraser19]

That just creeped me the f*ck out.

[@maddylee444]

Disgusting

[@desireearsenault8853]

The way she emphasized it🤮

[@garrettfortson2708]

I didn’t get p*** vibes from that so much as I got the whole “parent talking about their little child” vibe, which is also pretty creepy

[@jo3984]

She’s literally obsessed with Maddie and she groomed her since she was young disgusting.

[@judahaustin4214]

Why do you assume she grooming her ?????

[@jo3984]

@@judahaustin4214 bc when Maddie was 12 she had “sleepovers” with sia which is kinda weird bc sia was like in her late 30s at that time. It’s weird bc one I understand that maddies mother would trust sia but sia manipulates ppl. And she is obsessed with Maddie and maddies image .

[@saraharndts]

RIGHT. the word "grooming" came to mind immediately

[@blergyadig]

@@WNT2BLV *Oooooh boy*

[@saraharndts]

@@WNT2BLV oh f*ck this is what is happening.

[@Youtubbyface14]

“In her little black leotard” uhhh why did she need to mention that? Imagine a bloke saying that

[@isla4953]

Yeah that rang alarm bells, but it may have been that she thought she looked adorable and is a total weirdo in the way that she expresses things. I hope it's not true but it's definately a bit off

[@kayay101]

Because that's what parents do I have two boys and when they were babies I would say aw look at my baby in his little onesie. If shes her god mom I dont see the problem maybe because my children's god mom and I grew up together and she treats my kids like her own.

[@bridgetquinones]

@@kayay101 i was thinking that too at first, but i do that for babies...not teenage girls + i have a teenage daughter + a newborn baby.

[@kayay101]

@@bridgetquinones she wasnt a teen though she was like 10, 12 that's still appropriate idk my babies will always be my Babies no matter how old they get lol I'm a still embarrass them with my kisses

[@shiftingmercury6085]

In a cute way.

[@meganchruszczyk9968]

I haven't scrolled too far into the comments, but the "sleepover" situation and the "snuggles" gives me flashbacks from Michael Jackson. WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS 😭 I just found this myself! I feel like Maddie has been painted in the light of a spoiled brat, but she really does bust her ass and seems like a genuinely interesting person, and I don't even know much about her. This is crazy. Thank you for posting vids like these! It's fascinating how Hollywood runs.

[@HonestReviews-jc6cw]

It reminded me of that situation too. Not normal.

[@ceraliz444]

Same

[@vlmilillo]

Yes

[@sleepystars8482]

Sia is actually obsessed with Maddie at this point imo. Mellisa says she loves it when Sia snuggles up with her minor child. Sia is the new Abby from dance moms. It's just really weird behaviours to me.

[@marge6389]

it's weird and sad to know that there have been a lot of grown women who have appeared to be obsessed with Maddie, but the fact that her parents weren't doing anything- :/

[@abbyz13]

@@marge6389 her parents did something, they put her through abuse bro

[@XuiLeeEv]

@@Truther1903 Abby kissed the poor girl on the lips before on Dance Moms... Definitely also creepy.

[@kitvwx]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZfUhqxvrNWehas

[@sleepystars8482]

@@XuiLeeEv woah, I totally forgot about that !

[@shanyiamcgriff]

The whole industry is sick. Every child in the industry, actor, actress, rapper, singer they all have to do sexual acts & have handlers.

[@gauloise6442]

I hope one day they get the technology where they can just cgi and deep fake all child acting parts so there are no more child actors.

[@Johndough30]

This reminds me of Selena when she was murdered by yolanda, she was obssesed with Selena and i think sia is obssesed with Maddie.

[@Me-dj2sz]

oh shit

[@marija8941]

omg

[@Lost-mb1gj]

Yeah she is obsessed and if Maddie one day decides to cut her off then yeah who knows what could happen 😬

[@keziahcadena2001]

I pray to God that she doesn’t do anything so extreme to Maddie 🥺

[@Afmedic85]

Yolanda was stealing money though and Selena confronted her. Plus my mom said she heard Yolanda was jealous of Selena's attemp

[@averyetvspecial1487]

It’s a shame Maddie attracts so many abusive adult “friends”

[@liverbirdxoxo1984]

If sia was a man... it would be easier for most to see how it’s wrong but she gets a pass because she’s a woman! Well it’s weird... it’s just strange

[@joelavila6659]

she doesnt get a pass, do you not see everyone freaking out about this?

[@girlthatyouadored]

@@joelavila6659 i think they just mean that it took everyone this long to notice it was weird. if it were a man i think it would have been sooner

[@joelavila6659]

@@girlthatyouadored Yeah I suppose, that does make sense.

[@KidsWithGuns1992]

Men and women are very different though

[@srkutte]

@Alondra S godmothers are chosen almost at birth, not at sudden when they feel enamored with your daughter

[@chelseamiranda6651]

Funny that she stopped Maddie from taking jobs that she thought weren’t “good enough for her or to protect her” but it was ok to MAKE her participate in her own movie. Definitely sounds like a controlling situation. Thanks for the tea,Sloan! ;)

[@raeallen8387]

I understand what you're saying but she was also the one protecting maddie from people his high places that are like Jeffery epstien and Harvey wienstien. You was asked to do movies, videos ect and sia was trying to stop her from going through what some young child actors have gone through. Look at Judy garland, she was sexually harassed, fed drugs, lies, alcohol, to her on set and make her the ideal 'little girl'. I don't agree with alot of sias decisions but I'm guessing she saw an vulnerable child and didn't want her to be turned into a sexualized pawn like alot of child Stars

[@chelseamiranda6651]

@marcus and @Rae I understand what you’re saying and I’m not saying she was totally wrong in protecting her from potentially harmful people but what I meant was that she herself could’ve possibly been harmful and damaging to Maddie when making her do a movie that she didn’t feel comfortable doing. Sometimes the ones that do us the most harm are the ones closest to us,ya know

[@dannibookeddan8914]

@Flutistmom the good thing is that she can still get acting gigs after that horrible offensive movie but still to force a then 14 year old Maddie to do something she didn’t feel comfortable doing she’s just as bad as Abby

[@rebeccalwhitcher]

100% sounds like a controlling relationship. I had this with my friends mother. It was terrible

[@marlenclassen1542]

@@raeallen8387 Sia can be the "harvey" kind!!! This is the thing Michael Jackson was doing to children, "just sleeping with them in bed" People lash at MJ just because Sía is a woman its no 😔 different!!!!

[@ginamojica6677]

The fact that she said she CANT do a project without her and can’t make ART if Maddie isn’t there 😳

[@brtz1460]

Right that’s suspicious

[@erikadavila6574]

Yeah that sounds psychotic

[@WillBlindYouWithLight]

YAAAS isn't she an artist want she before this kid came along?

[@silashurd3597]

Oh no. That’s big sus!

[@lolaispure4296]

She is her muse

[@soundreinforcement4447]

Sia is what’s known as an energy vampire. I think what Sia is going through, is termed as the Peter Pan syndrome, and is reliving her childhood through maddie. Similar to what Micheal Jackson was doing.

[@heyheylistennow]

This

[@krystinaland4137]

Yes! I thought of Michael Jackson too!

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

At least michael jackson never groomed and forced a child to act or going in a tour with him and he never talked about how much he loved kids dancing in skin thigh leotards

[@Watch415]

As a mother I wouldn't share my child with another woman and split the time. Maddie could grow up to have serious mother issues. Especially if she one day has to choose between them.

[@astoldby]

The mother doesn't care she is using her daughters as cash cows.

[@Hellokittylove324]

Some moms only think about money and fame. Sia could get her ahead in the game and that’s all her mom cares about

[@stephaniebloink]

I’m not surprised that Melissa allows that since she would leave Maddie and Kenzie with Abby.

[@jadenoir9998]

Imagine sia being a man then sia would've been canceled already

[@wonkydonkey8349]

And rightly so

[@theauditminionexplores5508]

Having watched Dance Moms, my impression is that Melissa’s comments are completely in line with her character. She would do or allow anything if she thought it would help her girls get ahead. In my mind, this seems like a very Michael Jackson-esque relationship, and maybe Maddie was just glad for a break from her mother and Sia exploited that, or maybe Maddie just doesn't feel like she can speak up for herself. It's hard to say, but having watched the show and now watching this, those are my thoughts.

[@plexigirls101]

Maddie’s mom is terrible Maddie was constantly with these adults way more than with her actual family getting extra classes, Abby was her manager for so long and even in the show she forced Maddie to do things she was uncomfortable with such as having her first kiss in a dance routine, forcing Maddie to dance under severe pressure etc Abby did this to all her students but Maddie always got the special treatment and it was always really creepy

[@notatong]

im shaking in disgust. i find it weird no one is blaming melissa.

[@sixdasmusical]

Fr how is she letting this happen smh

[@properdoe3414]

Amen

[@randomboys1000]

We've known she's a terrible mother for almost a decade

[@rell4474]

Gurl I said!!!! Shes a whole trainwreck of a "mother" who only sees her kids as cash cows and is only worried about her very selfish self!

[@Chelagm]

From watching the show her mom let Abby basically do whatever with her and didn’t ever say much, she wanted her to reach the top and she got it , so she’s basically doing the same thing with sia

[@roasted8422]

Sia lowkey scares with the way she talks about Maddie in interviews. She has like a weird hero complex, idk I’ve always felt weird about their dynamic since the elastic heart video. Plus sia isn’t the only person that has shown some creepy obsession over Maddie. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZfUhqxvrNWehas

[@LydiaR418]

Is that the one with Shia LaBeouf? Thought it was totally inappropriate for a child to be dancing like that with a grown man.. idk

[@abbyz13]

And saying she’s “keeping her safe” like ????? She can afford 8 bodyguards if she needs to be safe, not one random Australian creep lady.

[@ab6551]

Aby from dance moms was obsessed with her too! And then Sia too and so many people around were very attached and obsessed with her. I think she is the most vulnerable and easy target for them because of her mom.

[@LorraineVirginie]

Yeah even Sloan says in this video she “made Maddie famous” but no she didn’t. Dance Moms and Maddie’s own amazing dance skills made her famous. Sia gave her a job that grew her platform but Maddie would’ve likely had other opportunities to continue to grow her career without Sia too.

[@amandamandamands]

@@LorraineVirginie Exactly, Chloe and Nia have done alright for themselves with both of them currently at College but have had acting roles and have their social media accounts going.

[@tabathamoore8803]

Her mother is the first problem. Throwing her into the hands of predators. Let's not forget Abby kissed Maddie on the lips before forcing her "first kiss" with a dance partner.

[@trinitysigma]

nobody knew abby would do that??? also sia is literally her godmother so shes family and that explains a lot tbh

[@suzannekirkwood6392]

She's only the godmother because she asked Maddies to make her so. Usually a godparent is chosen at birth and is close to the parents

[@mindyschocolate]

Melissa “I love how they snuggle together”. God, she was such a flake on Dance Moms and she still is now. She’s a major pushover. Like, she’ll be a doormat to anyone if it keeps Maddie front and center. Ugh.

[@gracecampbell6232]

I know right? It’s so creepy and weird how Melissa lets Sia do whatever she wants with Maddie. Especially the snuggling in bed part! Yuck 🤮

[@blairwaldorf-bass8180]

She would let anyone do anything they wanted if it meant she would be getting the money from it and making her child a star

[@iCherub]

I hated her on the show ugh such a disgusting mother.

[@melaniepotter6381]

Yeh but the mother's obviously well aware of what's happening! But choosing to ignore it for the money

[@billionair120]

Its sad because maddie's sister Mckenzie is completely put on the back burner. Maddie is the "star child". I feel bad for Kenz because she was always told to walk in maddie's shoes, they arent the same person, let her have her own personalitly.

[@PeachyKeene1031]

The having her in her bed snuggling makes me think of a role that toxic parents who no longer have spouses push onto their child, it pushes the dynamic of being a surrogate spouse and is often referred to as emotional incest. They make the child their support system since they don't have a partner and become completely enmeshed in this child's life, often trying to keep them from leading their own life. An extension of them and since she dresses Maddie just like her I'm certain she sees Maddie as an extension of her and I bet you anything if she breaks away ready to live her life you'll see the biggest smear campaign in the media with her stating how she did so much for Maddie and she ran away.

[@silvergirl2847]

That's exactly right completely agree..ithinkthats the best explanation of their relationship.

[@sarascarpati887]

Hello, sons and lovers

[@chrysichrysi7889]

That would really be horrible if that were the case. I think that the fact that she's never been able to have children of her own might be a contributing factor in how she treats/spoils Maddie. I also believe that Sia has her own personal battles mental health-wise and she might very well see Maddie as a daughter she never had, a daughter that she'd dream to have. She said she felt a connection to her so it's very possibly that with time Sia really did just feel overprotective of her. Since Maddie is NOT her daughter though, it would perhaps be wise for Sia to seek professional help if her "motherly love" for Maddie is in fact crossing too many lines.

[@amandaveiga908]

Totally makes sense and it's so sad. Maddie is only 19 (?) and she's been in unhealthy relationships for at least half of her life. Let's not forget what she went through with Abby from dance moms... The emotional abuse and control that went on is outrageous. And now this.

[@freedomfreedom9523]

Sia is a groomer and the parents are at fault and the cops

[@yukil.spencer3848]

Maddie is a legally an adult but you don't just mature at the strike of the clock, it takes a while to mature and realise what's happening. In Maddies case it's likely much harder to say no to Sia since she's likely somewhat of a mother figure in her life and they've known each other for so long.

[@charleneproffitt8374]

If Melissa is Ok and thinks Maddie is safe, and Maddie is OK, what the Hell? People Shut the Hell up!

[@jennaestrada348]

it seems like maddie is conditioned to avoid conflict it was just easier for her to survive that way and i can imagine it would be VERY difficult to come to terms with something like this. poor girl

[@poisonivy9853]

@@charleneproffitt8374 why should we?

[@pinkanime_cat1460]

@@charleneproffitt8374 Make us then lol

[@jebbryant6522]

@@charleneproffitt8374 oh wow the Mum that’s known for palming her kid off to someone who treated her badly and thought she was ok thinks maddies ok!! Wow I’ll completely ignore the fact that sia has groomed a child

[@v00d00child187]

the whole industry is so dark. I'm disgusted by all of it.

[@lenorebunny]

Her comments about seeing her for the first time are downright predatory

[@LydiaR418]

That's how my narcissistic ex was,& myka stauffer said something similar when she first met huxley. Definitely getting narcissistic parental vibes from sia.

[@fayeevpt]

@@LydiaR418 I agree, but not parental vibes, just narc predator

[@ayleeebvby]

"IN A LITTLE BLACK LEOTARD!" I WAS LIKE 😳😳😳😳 ?????? Did i hear that right😳. Gross.

[@LydiaR418]

@@ayleeebvby yeah I noticed that she specified her clothing too, just all odd

[@onlybyautomobile]

Big bad vibes

[@cameliaberghean1300]

That "little black leotard" slip while Sia claimed she loved Maddie in a motherly way... 😬

[@altounedited3]

That’s fuckin weird

[@Cutiemaan]

Time ?

[@eccho1]

Yeah that was just straaaange

[@jpg1392]

I noticed that too. I almost felt like that’s something a guy would say when they objectify a woman, and focus on what they are wearing. The fact that Sia mentioned Maddie in “her little black leotard” made me nauseous

[@anotherkilljoy1806]

literally i was like.. am i hearing this

[@Partycitybaex]

I don't think Sia is grooming Maddie, however, I feel like she has clung onto her as a result from past trauma, which can come off as smothering and bad intentioned. It is an unhealthy attachment, as she isn't letting Maddie grow into an adult.

[@cupknee]

^ this is what i think too. i had an unhealthy parent-child relationship growing up, when my mom died young and my dad was traumatized and relied on me for emotional support. i don't blame him for it but it really messed me up because i felt like i had to grow up so quick and never got to experience a normal adolescence, and i thought being a teen being codependent on older adult men was normal. because of that, i was an easy target for predators. "emotional incest" is a real thing in families, usually a direct result of trauma. it might have similar traits to grooming but it is not, there's nothing inherently sexual about it. but there's an implication where the child seems like they're treated more like an adult partner rather than a child.

[@animezae]

Agreed.

[@abirmohamed8343]

Its grooming Doesn't have to be sexual.

[@Annesantos0497]

In hollywood everyone is a predator.

[@missb7912]

@@abirmohamed8343 wrong . Grooming goes hand-in-hand with sexuality. It’s literally in the definition of grooming. You groom someone because you intend to do sexual acts to them when they’re older. Smh.

[@hellxisxaxplacexonxearth3553]

"Some people believe Sia is just being very protective over Maddie" How BLIND can they be?? Imagine if this was a grown man instead grown woman with a young teenage girl. "The first time I saw her dance in her little black leotard I fell in love with her", "I hired security to keep an eye on her", "we have sleepovers where I have her sleep in my bed so we can cuddle" ...it's so weird, it gives me shivers. Everything about their relationship is a red flag.

[@HypnoRhymes]

Looks like this older woman wanted a mini-me to give herself a glimpse of eternal youthfulness. Creepy.

[@rosiepark9607]

This!!!!!!

[@leblanc9247]

Oh, it actually make sense. Creepy af

[@buniiez]

She's like the real life mother gothel 😬😬😬

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

I think that part is undeniable. maddie plays young sia in the music videos.

[@mariahboo92894]

She is literally a woman who needs consistent therapy and has a savior complex.

[@JGArtemis]

@No ThisIsPatrick true. Fuck this comment as if getting therapy is bad and screw SIA the creeper

[@listenidk9709]

@No ThisIsPatrick Maybe they shouldn’t have said it like this but they are right sia should get therapy and work on herself because why is she so attached to this girl

[@katina9632]

@@obsessedfurler298 yeah, couples therapy 😒

[@sharparts8637]

How did she say it as an insult? She only stated that she needs consistant therapy and appears to have a saviour complex...she didnt say 'shes a fuckin loon' or something derogatory. I didnt take this as insulting to people in therapy at all.

[@followmeplease9189]

Ugh 🙄 Sia's songs are litterly a medical to feel alive

[@nonnymousegirl]

Even though maddie is 18, she still is in no way of understanding the vulnerable situation she is yet. That level of insight in kids doesn't usually come until the later 20s. Especially given maddie's history with being abused and manipulated 😑

[@piiinkDeluxe]

Yup

[@vampirejelly8589]

Yup plus shes been groomed since she was waaay younger. Its all she knows

[@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776]

Honestly, we 18 year olds we know right from wrong. We know what weird and vulnerable situation are. We ain’t dumb, i’m 18 and i can see that their relationship is weird af. We are adults too at the end of the day but Maddy may be oblivious to it bc she has experienced this for years now and probably sees it as normal.

[@zaharaali3768]

BTS trash Army/Exo-l Baekie/Shawol but youre 18 in a completely different situation. We don’t all live the same lives just cause we are the same age. This is probably all she knows. This is probably her normal as sad as it sounds :/

[@piiinkDeluxe]

@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776 people are different though. I didn't know shit about life when I was 18. 😄😄

[@sarazack2588]

As someone who grew up with “mommy problems” any older woman who claimed to feel “motherly” toward me always ended up being a giant red flag of a person. Just my perspective.

[@joshking7284]

Lmao it took one time, I was 16 and she would come into my work all the time and said I could babysit her kids and when I got there I saw multiple drugs for the first time and although she didn’t offer it I’m sure she wouldn’t have denied it if I asked and I feel like that was the plan

[@LilMizzRockaChick]

Michael Jackson used to have sleepovers and let kids sleep in his bed and the world goes nuts calling him a perve yet nobody bats an eyelid to Sia and Maddies sleepover and cuddle time .... 🤔

[@tamarhalevi214]

moreover, he didn't actually slept with them, it was more of a ingenuous kind of party, he had fun with them- pillow fights etc. after ten years of investigation by the FBI he founded NOT GUILTY but ppl just loveeee hating him. life is easier when you're a white woman.

[@tenmahakusho6390]

Sia also tweeted about leaving never land and said she supported James safechuck and wade robson. 🤔

[@adriene2190]

@@tenmahakusho6390 which is hilariously ironic😭

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

@@tamarhalevi214 or Even Cuties women of color director. Still getting defended by any studio

[@rebekkamarley1228]

I was waiting for this comment

[@Joi_Robb]

What’s weird to me is that she’s trying to protect Maddie from the predatory nature of Hollywood but then goes ahead and does predatory shit but it’s protection because it’s sia?

[@vannanasun3639]

Bc it’s a woman 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@jfaustin1742]

Projection

[@mackjordann]

Yes, Sia is trying to "protect" her as she says. And brags about saving her from Harvey. But, at the same time has Maddie as a child in a nude body suit dancing. When Elastic Heart came out it was queen and even compared to Nicki's Anaconda video. The argument was, if I remember correctly, that one is art and one is not...blah blah blah... First of all, Anaconda has I'm assuming all grown consenting women in the video to wear skimpy clothes and shake their butts. How are you going to compare that to a child who was manipulated by Sia and her mom that the video was okay to do.

[@Joi_Robb]

@@mackjordann elastic heart never sat right with me. The reality was that someone like me sees this and in my eyes it looks like someone is trying to say a predatory relationship is just “art” and to turn a blind eye to what my mind says is happening because if sia is doing it, it’s innocent. I felt gas lighted by sias response because she says “if you think my art is gross, you’re the gross one” meanwhile she directed a child to be running around a nude jumpsuit climbing all over a grown man who had zero relationship to her. But Maddie was portraying “the beast within Shia”....which is.....🤷🏽‍♀️😬🤦🏽‍♀️

[@mackjordann]

@@Joi_Robb agree

[@Aimeecinnamonsweets]

Hollywood grooming at its finest.

[@sleepystars8482]

Sadly, it's another one for the Hollywood Creeps playlist.

[@faaaduma6876]

Everything that is western, now is "Hollywood". The of level ignorance in here..

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

@@faaaduma6876 - Hollywood has been the new buzzword for awhile. Funny that the same people who complain about Hollywood are the people keeping it in business by spending their money on it.

[@erinf1929]

Being on the spectrum myself, thanks for the support and seamlessly calling out Sia at the same time. The movie is just one thing that contributed to her alarming behavior. Props to you man. SO many good points and very well thought out.

[@maggierudolph]

As someone who is also on the spectrum I agree with you thanks for bringing this up…

[@Jkwonjames1]

Sia is autistic herself.. i knew before she said it. It's what ALL her music is about

[@nicolewagner6549]

When Sia refuses to do a project without Maddie, that was emotional blackmail. Imagine believing that if you made your own career decision s, a singer and composer you idolize and feel grateful too would never make art again. Even if she is not a sexual predator her possessiveness and emotional manipulation are abusive. I can't believe no one in Maddie's life stepped in when she was a kid.

[@_Sylens]

She said she isnt able to create "art". Shes also a songwriter so her career doesnt depend on maddie shes just showing how talented she is through her dancing skills

[@deathkampdrone]

Nah its not the kids problem, she can just be like "get lost, old woman!". Her parents should be more protective though, but money is probably too good to turn down...

[@springlady8337]

There is more than just sexual predators and they aren’t all men.

[@judahaustin4214]

Why did you assume that

[@springlady8337]

@@judahaustin4214 Assume what?

[@judahaustin4214]

@@springlady8337 assume that she is a predator

[@springlady8337]

@@judahaustin4214 I never assumed she is a predator. My comment says that anyone could be a predator.

[@judahaustin4214]

@@springlady8337 if you didn't assume why did you comment that on this video

[@angelsmusic2560]

I don't think Sia is sexually abusive or grooming her. I think she has a control problem and a obsession.

[@badlife3940]

Same

[@judithkim4050]

doesn't have to be sexual to be abuse. imo being controlling and obsessive is still abuse and can still be grooming in a way (groomed to accept being controlled by elders)

[@samanthapuleo7812]

They like sleep together in the same bed it’s kinda creepy

[@kentuckyfriedcharlie]

i'm 100% on your side. while i think there's definitely something off with sia and their relationship it's not okay to accuse her of being a predator without any known evidence..and when we're talking about maddies feelings we shouldn't leave out the fact that sia still means a lot to her obviously and she would be hurt reading most of the comments here

[@swankhood]

It's grooming, Period.

[@theredcupcake]

every adult in maddie’s life failed her.

[@RandomGrump]

Any time you have an adult who’s “best friends” with a child, you have to question it. It’s inappropriate, even if “innocent” in nature.

[@rustiedawn3702]

I adore any and all children and have had many, many kids throughout the years who've referred to me as their "best friend" and I would sooner rip out my own eyeballs than to EVER hurt a child in any sort of way. I'm just saying that sometimes, a close relationship between a child and an adult actually IS innocent and in fact, no where even near inappropriate.

[@kingmanlanguagescenter856]

@@rustiedawn3702 I agrre with you but NOT TO THE POINT TO SNUGGLE AND SLEEP AT SOMEONE ELSE HOME that's just weird

[@lolaispure4296]

Michael Jackson is a creep too

[@lolaispure4296]

@@rustiedawn3702 i would never let my child be ur " best friend". Why would parents feel comfortable with that? Do u run a daycare or something? Why they flock unto you

[@Flower-yc7hr]

@@rustiedawn3702 agreed and proper mentors for children is a really good thing. There’s definitely boundaries but it can be a good thing if done right.

[@HawkinaBox]

"I don't want to make music without her." Wooow Sia is obsessed!

[@darkliterature7123]

Maddie is too cute and beautiful and talented too that's why

[@catalina3710]

@@darkliterature7123 are you trying to justify an obsession? Do you understand how dangerous an obsession can be?

[@cherryblossom7944]

The one that should be under scrutiny is Melissa, she and she alone has the choice to allow this for her daughter

[@juliac8225]

Melissa will do anything to get her daughters to the top, especially Maddie. She was horrible on Dance Moms.

[@Nodeal757]

Melissa should defo be under scrutiny she allowed abby to be like this with maddie and now sia, it's weird as hell

[@cherryblossom7944]

@@juliac8225 I agree, and I am amazed that she has been allowed to continue this. I don't deny she loves her children, but her need to be on top is destructive and narcisistic.

[@cherryblossom7944]

@@Nodeal757 Exactly.

[@Nodeal757]

@@cherryblossom7944 I feel like Melissa isn't a very maternal mother to either of her kids, which is why maddie probably seeks out an older woman to get that affection and attention from, my mum is a narcissist who shouldn't of had kids and I see alot of similarities between Melissa and her 😅 I think she mainly sees her kids as projects or something to show off, but i don't think she has the normal maternal instincts most mums should have 😕 I'm honestly surprised these kids haven't went off the rails or been hurt badly by an adult 😔

[@MadiganinPeach]

"her mom shares her with me" That made my whole body cringe violently lol. I absolutely hate the way she worded that.

[@noblenova9324]

Their relationship reminds me of a similar one I had with my old babysitter as a child, she was obsessed with "taking care" of me. We slept in the same bed together and she'd buy me really expensive things when we'd hang out. My mother felt really uncomfortable about it though unlike Maddie's mom, and when I grew up I started to realize I was being groomed.

[@lolaispure4296]

I would never feel .comfortable letting mu daughter sleep with other people. Yes its absolutely uncomfortable. Not even her aunts or else. Dang.

[@Elle-yu3vr]

I babysat and nannied when I was younger and sometimes kids would ask me to lay with them. I always felt weird about it so I would agree to sit and hold their hand or lay on the floor next to their bed. Even as a teen I didn’t want a child telling their parents I slept in the bed with them, even though they trusted me.

[@noblenova9324]

@@Elle-yu3vr honestly good to know someone else sees it as being unusual even as a younger person. that speaks for itself how weird it is I think for an average person.

[@karii5878]

I definitely realized over the years as I got older I had one as well but it was a family friend kinda weird tbh

[@Marlaina]

My female cousin had laid down next to me when I stayed over my aunt’s house and woke up crying because I don’t like sleeping in unfamiliar environments (I was like 5 at the time). Nothing weird about it, I found it comforting to have someone near me and I fell back to sleep. I think it all depends on the intention. Not everything is sexual.

[@hS-nt6pr]

So Maddie shows up day one crying and is scared because she doesn’t feel comfortable doing this and Sia still encourages/manipulates her into doing the roll. SMH. I know Sia gave Maddie her big break but at this rate she’s also going to destroy any chance of a sustainable career.

[@milkd8251]

The fact that sia forced maddie to continue to act in the role despite her LITERALLY being upset and crying the first day says a lot compared to the fact that she said she TRIED to get an autistic person to play a role and when they felt overwhelmed, she didn’t even try to make an effort to comfort or make the set easier for them.

[@hS-nt6pr]

@@milkd8251 yes! It’s so weird how Sia claimed she had a girl with autism selected for the role who had to drop out and then she called maddie 🤔 something doesn’t add up when she also says she wrote it with Maddie in mind. I don’t know what to believe.

[@amandamandamands]

@@milkd8251 There was no autistic girl. Sia said that when there was the first controversy when the trailer dropped and people were asking why Maddie instead of someone autistic. Sia did a radio (I think) interview in March 2015 saying that she was in the middle of writing her first movie September 2015 the movie 'Sisters' was announced with Maddie as the only name attached and Sia saying that she wrote it for Maddie July 2017 Kate Hudson has a pic saying that she is in dance rehearsal with Maddie and in August 2017 Maddie and Kate both have a pic of them on the set (solar eclipse) Sia says that she spent the next 3 years editing it.

[@JoJo-hz5yc]

As an adult woman myself (27) I can understand that you feel a connection & you care about children that you’re surrounded by, for example my friend’s children or my neighbor’s children. Getting to know them & spending time with them is nice & creates a bond between us. Which motivates me to say hi when I see them, or maybe give them a small gift for their birthdays, just because we know each other. Ya know? HOWEVER, I would never ask them to sleep over at my house, or snuggle with anyone else’s kids who aren’t mine! That’s definitely strange.

[@mariahsisneros7572]

I agree.

[@fluoroantimonicacid4844]

If I have a kid I would NEVER let them sleepover with an ADULT. it's beyond weird and creep af

[@pyatochka-m5w]

No, they absolutely don’t need to give all the autistic character roles to autistic actors. It’s not the point of acting and it doesn’t make sense. On top of that, there’re many wonderful movies like the rainman, where Dustin Hoffman truly made his autistic character come to life. An NO, Dustin Hoffman ISNT autistic, he’s just an amazing actor

[@ladyragdoll]

When Michael Jackson shared his bed, with a child (note he slept on the floor not in the bed) it was in the papers, it was on the news, it was everywhere and everyone was all over it.

[@idklol6162]

The media wanted to ruin him , they never missed out an opportunity to turn the public against him , he had a pure heart and he loved kids genuinely it was not sexual . Smh how tf ppl still believe the lies . FBI investigated for over 10 years ,76 officers raided his house and found nothing (they were looking for child pornography)he was proven to be innocent in each and every trial held against him .all of his accusers were forced by their money hungry parents to lie and the press paid them too . While no one said a thing about Elvis Presley who was having sex with a 14 year old Priscilla Presley while he was in his 20s .same with sia no media coverage at all .🤷🏽‍♀️

[@itsnotthatdeep8996]

@@idklol6162 WOOOOOO!!! Now that’s the tea! ☕️ I think many enough have done enough research on the MJ case that he was used as a scapegoat for all the real PERVS in HollyWEIRD.

[@dianacasados7780]

And yet they found NOTHING!!

[@kathall6422]

Okay, a couple things, 1. When I was in my early 5 year old body, I was being groomed and sexually abused by a 16 year old boy, one of the things he liked doing was playing a game called, the Kissing Game, where he would point to a spot on his body, then I would have to kiss it. You see at the age of 5, I thought I loved this 16 year old, and because of abuse already happening, and him telling me he was my boyfriend, I didn't think anything was wrong with it. There has been more than 1 accuser with Michael Jackson since I was a teen, I'm now 47, and from what I've researched since that documentary, Leaving Neverland, came out, most of his accusers have mentioned that he played that game with them. 2. Regardless of what anyone else thinks, family, friends, media, etc., knowing that it is the parents wanting your money, WOULD YOU EVER, EVER, EVER, in a million years, and for any reason whatsoever, instead of going through court, PAY THE VICTIM AND THEIR FAMILY OFF, he not only did this once, twice, but many times. 3. Why has every child celebrity child and non celebrity child(male), that was literally sold to Michael by their parents, been so fked up, once they aged out. 4. Being a victim, I also know other victims, we know the damage that PEDOPHILIC MONSTERS cause children from the moment of the first meeting, until the day we die, and we know that we would never, ever, EVER, want another child to go through what we have, and become very protective of children, and can sometimes sense when there's abuse in a home. Him hanging out with little boys, having them sleep over, in his bed, WITH HIM, with everyone letting him use the excuse of, he's just a child himself, or, he cares so much for children, MAKES ME SICK, then why only little boys of a certain age, if you love and care for children, you love and care for all children, not just little boys around the same age demographic. People need to stop making excuses for these MONSTERS. 5. So Mommy Dearest, Joan Crawford, could adopt children, then abuse them physically, emotionally, and mentally. Amber Heard was the actual abuser, after Johnny Depps career was ruined. Jeffrey Epstien had a PEDOPHILE island that even Trump visited and Trump and Epstien were quite the buddies. Coronavirus is killing hundreds of thousands. Pee Wee Herman got caught in a porn theater, masterbating to the movie that was playing. George Michael was caught in the bathroom, in a gay park, having sex with strangers. More celebrities will come out as abusers and PEDOPHILES. Everyone will get the covid vaccine., Sherri Pie from Ru Paul's s12 dragrace, catfished young men, claiming to be in the industry, asking for sexualized videos from said young men, only to be used for his own sexual deviance. If all this has, is, and will happen, why is it so freaking hard to believe that Michael Jackson could've fked with young boys. 6. For people reading this, go look up pictures of Michael with young boys, watch as the boys grow up with him, you can see the literal hurt, sadness, and why the fk is this happening to me, and by my hero, someone I'm supposed to be able to trust. For other victims, you'll be able to see it instantly. Now I really don't understand why so many people, people that dont know Michael personally, only as a fan, yet see all the proof, all the things he did, things that if they happened today, just wouldn't fly, and his loyal fans, wouldn't be so loyal. I used to believe it wasn't true, he could never, ever do anything to a child. Then I researched it all, until I couldn't research anymore, watched videos of him hanging with these boys, lots, and lots, of these young boys, and they're always the same age group, and now I'm hurt, sad, confused, angered, and sick of the fact that alot of celebrities believe they can say, buy, do, whatever they want, and in the end their money will get them out of it. NO INNOCENT PERSON PAYS AN ACCUSER OFF, THEY FIGHT IT IN COURT, ESPECIALLY IF THERES NO PROOF, RIGHT. If anyone at all can prove otherwise to me, I'll be so fken grateful, I was MJ for Halloween in grade 5, had his posters up, still have all his music because I'm hoping I'm wrong. Please stay safe, healthy, kind, strong and happy everyone, peace and much love sent from Ontario, Canada.

[@itsnotthatdeep8996]

@@kathall6422 hey Kat, firstly I want to say I’m very sorry to hear about your devastating experience as a young child. That is horrendous and no child should ever be made to go through such things. My heart goes out to you. In regards to the Michael Jackson topic, I have to inform you of FACTS to reinforce my opinion that he is innocent: 1. He was advised by his team of lawyers at the time to pay the money to the family to “settle”. But you need to know, this was a CIVIL case - a civil case is ONLY for monitory gain. If it was a CRIMINAL case, it would have gone to court, which he wanted to. But the family FILED for a civil case to claim millions. You have to ask yourself this, WHAT FAMILY FILES A CIVIL CASE FOR MONEY AS OPPOSED TO GO TO CRIMINAL COURT TO FIGHT FOR JUSTICE? Michael always regretted paying them because he felt it made him look guilty. 2. Wade Robson (1 half of the Leaving Neverland accusers) was part of MJs defends team as a KEY witness on trial back in 05. He went on MANY media platforms proclaiming MJs innocence. All are available on KZbin. Wade even performed at MJs MTV tribute back in 2009 as a dancer alongside Janet. He wrote in a published book an entire passage about the influence and friendship he had with Michael. All of that changed when he was declined by the MJ estate to choreograph the show “Cirque du Soliel”, the MJ tribute show. He grew bitter & he was also $850,000 in debt and was desperate for work. As soon as that happened, Wades whole narrative changed to MJ being this pedo monster. This change was around 2013. PLEASE WATCH WADES POLICE DEPOSITION IN 2016 - it’s on KZbin. He gets caught up in all his lies. Wade tried peddling a book about alleged abuse at the hands of MJ for a couple years and every publisher threw it out because there was no evidence and the story wasn’t consistent. THEN the deal with leaving Neverland came alone and HBO got behind it because they knew they could bring massive views and ratings in on the back of MJs name. 3. Michael Jackson actually played matchmaker fo Wade. He set him up with HIS OWN NEICE. Brandi Jackson, who is daughter of Jackie Jackson. They were together for roughly 8 years. He infact cheated on Brandi with Britney Spears which was a huge scandal at the time. Hence why Justin Timberlake made the song “cry me a river” which was a jab at Britney after her infidelity. Wade also slept with Princes partner at the time (Manuella). A lot of industry people have openly said that Wade burnt a lot of Bridges and not many people wanted to work with him. So when MJ died, he wasn’t able to get any work or opportunities through him. 3.Wade had a segment in the documentary where he said he got all his MJ memorabilia together and burned it all in this bonfire. Incorrect and couldn’t be farther from the truth. A few years prior to the doc airing (the exact year escapes me sorry), he put his MJ memorabilia up on an auction site because of his debts that I previously mentioned. He asked the company to sell it anonymously BUT the company refused and said no. So Wade couldn’t have burned it all up in anger and a “healing process”, Because he had already sold them on a few years prior to settle some debts. 4. James Safechuck made a terrible hiccup in regards to the years when he claims abuse also. I’m sure you’ve heard, he claimed to be molested in the train stations at Neverland BUTTT the train station wasn’t built until 1994. It he wasn’t out about the dates with a couple months or weeks, it was by 2-3 years. 5. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) heavily surveillanced MJ for TEN years. They bugged his phones, security, computers, entourage etc for TEN years and didn’t find a spec of evidence on him or ANY indication that MJ was a pedophile. 6. Wade and James BOTH took their stories before a judge and the judge THREW the case out, once again citing NO evidence and inconsistencies in timelines. I could go on and on and on my dear friend, but my thumbs are tired LOL! I want you to know that, I whole heartedly believe MJs innocence because there are FAR too many instances, facts and evidence to prove that the “ MJ Pedo” narrative has always been and always will be for monetary gain. You have to remember that MJ was one of the richest but most vulnerable people on the planet. The man died OWNING 51% of Sony and his entire catalog alongside the Beatles catalog. this guy was a cunning businessman and he pissed off a hell of a lot of people whilst doing his deals. Was he eccentric? Yes. Was he naive? HELL YEAH. But was he a criminal? ... ABSOLUTELY not. Just my thoughts and research gathered over years. Really hope you stay safe and well my friend. Take care of yourself

[@elzed684]

If a man said this about meeting a 10 year old girl, he'd be locked up. Sia should be properly researched by investigators. Can't believe the mom is so okay with this.

[@natalie.s7226]

Honestly, double standards are shocked

[@soullooker]

No he wouldn’t but ik what you mean.

[@huhs112]

Definetly understand what you mean but men like that also don't get locked up, so thats completely false. And up until now there isnt evidence of sexual abuse in this case which i hope stays that way because it's already creepy enough. The law still protects Predators way too much.

[@Olivia-ss6kj]

Ya watching dance moms Melissa is a suck up she will do anything to have maddie front and center

[@hamianagrande]

She’s a white, upperclass, woman so nobody will suspect anything

[@Baxfam1]

Said said I wouldn't make art if it didn't include her. That's soo weird. Art should be about you and expressing yourself

[@KathySong1]

Absolutely. Sia hide hers own identify with wigs, yet Maddie is up at the front with no privacy. It’s like Maddie is the face and persona for Sia

[@jannananaa]

@@KathySong1 that's exactly what it is.

[@oneoftheskull3158]

This is textbook "Gruuming". From 10 years old. Unfortunately, she won't be exposed until the money dries up.

[@thursdayscat]

I would never ever let my child gets too close with an adult regardless who they are. Their relationship is sick and fvked up. If sia was a man, the whole world would be in chaos the moment she "picked" maddie. People need to understand that predators could be anyone regardless their sex and gender

[@driblast9422]

Sia is a transgender... JK

[@machinaowl910]

@@driblast9422 Dude can you not??

[@selemajohn9771]

💯

[@ilymarieortiz]

Reminds me of another artist that used to have sleepovers with children…. 🤔

[@4ipwincesscastle]

@@ilymarieortiz jamsons ?

[@atelimakaveli1651]

Sia said she doesn’t want to make art without Maddie and that’s really creepy how she said it. I feel like she wants to live through Maddie. It’s very odd

[@zamorapakalolo6699]

I get the same vibe, kinda like she wants to switch bodies so that she can stay young and beautiful.

[@raeburt2551]

The fact that Sia crossed those boundaries as an adult with someone else’s child is questionable itself and we won’t know until Maddie reaches a breaking point (because that’s usually when we find out the true nature of predatory relationships).

[@87spoon]

Maddie, if your inner voice ever says "RUN", you run.