Inside The First Magnetic Floating BMX Hub!

In today's What The Phu! Wednesday, Phu goes over the Fly Bikes Magneto BMX Cassette hub. This hub is the only BMX bike hub that uses a Magnetic driver and paw mechanism vs the traditional, for example Profile Racing hub which features the metal spring and paw system
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[@Gomepez]

Engineering Student Comments for Phu and Alfredo: 1) Rare earth magnets, like the kind in this driver, do not lose their magnetic pull to any noticeable degree until about 176 F. Given that this driver would probably never get near that temperature, it is safe to say that this property of magnets should not be an issue. 2) Iron particles from the dirt do build up on magnets and are a hassle to clean. However, given that this hub is pretty well sealed and the iron in the dirt in most places we ride is only trace (tiny amount), we should not observe any issues regarding this. If you somehow did manage this, just clean it off since it's so easy to disassemble. 3) One large advantage of this hub that was not mentioned is that the durability of this system. When engaged, the huge contact patch on the pawl disc is never going to slip. Pawl spring systems do slip occasionally as most of us have experienced. The racing side of BMX definitely appreciates a hub that transfers all force to the ground and never slips, this is a possible application in the future. 4) Given the odds of a magnetic thunderstorm, it is more likely that phu lands a triple whip. Thanks XD

[@ShaunZimmerman668]

To much friction for bmx probably!

[@kadenburrus2821]

It just seems like the magnet would have trouble engaging

[@sandy_knight]

The ferrous containments will come from inside the hub as the clutch plates wear? (I'm assuming they're steel?)

[@baggymeerkat]

Reviewing a magnetic driver: "I think this is Aluminium, but I don't have a little magnet to test." lol

[@mambocowboy]

I have it. Better than a mini. Super smooth. Best engagement I've felt.

[@randomchannel4886]

Its not very smooth lol at first you feel the engagements in your feet lol after a while you just get used to it

[@roberthuffmann8204]

About time, it’s been on the market for awhile. Fly is always innovating! Glad you are talking about it!

[@Chris.0.0.0]

Been riding the fly hubs since they dropped in Vegas and haven't had a single issue even on the hottest days. Love these hubs and love the epicbmx vids

[@frankcarrion1011]

Lol what bike shops are in Vegas

[@jerryh6284]

@@frankcarrion1011 Quite a few my dude! Giant Las Vegas The Vault Bicycle Shop Bike World Golden Crown Bicycles... just to name a few. Shall I continue? LOL ✌️🤘🏼

[@SheepeyRace]

Phu when you coming to visit us 🤨

[@benbudd1376]

Definitely sounds good! It's a pretty cool concept, my bet would be that it wouldn't wear out any quicker than a traditional pawls and springs, both have a little bit of friction no matter what, and everything from fly seems to be very high quality... I dig it🤘🔥🔥

[@jamesmillar1270]

This hub has been in the works for a long time! I’ve had mine for about a year and have no issues with it other than the cone nuts have knurling on it and it slips on the frame sometimes! Other than that it’s a great hub, instant engaging, very smooth and so loud!

[@jackmccarty3655]

You don’t have side to side wobble at all ??

[@racelcaliwara6821]

Love you guys , another amazing lesson 🥰

[@trippymctripster2405]

Best BMX shop in the World. Appreciate the Videos!!!

[@medeqc]

good job man,thank for the tips

[@POBMTB]

Looks like a dt swiss ratchet but without a spring ?

[@jermainebaker4317]

I enjoyed watching this video very well explained

[@oldguyrips535]

I really like the concept, thanks for this one. As for dirt collection, including the metal found in the dirt, given the ease of the disassembly on this, it should be fairly easy to open and clean after a heavy dirt session. Probably easier than a cassette or coaster breakdown and rebuild, which could (in theory) actually lead to longer lasting parts 🤔🤔🤔

[@Cypher81]

Just a the right Time. thank you my Man Alf and Phu hope everything goes well by this crazy Time

[@fallenhobbit6554]

If it were for road bikes the slight increase in friction would matter. But I think the simplicity that increases reliability far outways that effect for bmx.

[@robertbonner7469]

Cool hub and review . I’d like to see the Profile Z coaster review.

[@brianschneck3423]

Ruben had one of these hubs on his bike in 2005 sead he had it about a year , that hub is so loud ❤️

[@eddiestsla]

Ruben and Sem Kok both ride the hub still it looks like

[@madeyourmark]

I have an eclat seismic hub, which uses the same clutch style ratcheting driver. But instead of using a magnet, it uses springs more like a traditional cassette. The sound from these drivers is insane, it's super deep and loud. Makes profile minis sound whiney. edit: Yes the clutch has a bit more drag than a traditional cassette but it's nominal. If you keep your hubs lubed you shouldn't have issues with ware. In fact the clutch system is less likely to fail than the traditional spring and pawl cassette since there are more contact points

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Actually they're supposed to reduce drag in the hub compared to comparable high engagement designs. Remember a profile mini is only like 48 points of engagement. It's up from the stock joytech style design that odyssey uses. Pretty sure the ratchet ring design will be more free spinning then individually sprung pawls with equal engagement.

[@zahari_s_stoyanov]

DT Swiss came up with the sideways-engaging system but they used a coil spring inside the hub

[@mab01]

Very nice vid!

[@Daniel-yf9iy]

That is so cool!

[@juliangaribay4711]

The more teeth the more engagement more acceleration and speed but the friction can be reduced by using a wpc coating be it's a process where ceramic beads are shot at the metal making this unique finish that reduces friction by a huge margin and prolongs the life of metal parts and reduces friction and makes the metal way stronger

[@HeyImKevin]

Casually showing off your galaxy rust hub in 2021 is the bmx equivalent of casually showing off your Lambo key.

[@mylesregnier2434]

Do a review on the eclat seismic cassette hub

[@mikeodell5915]

Love the content

[@glenzigdan]

Cool, very like dt swiss

[@mikehagen3785]

Cool different concept.

[@anthonyayala7925]

Very interesting, I would love to see how this rides .

[@cfmechanic]

Looks similar to a locker for a car cool stuff

[@bimmix2054]

So does it freecoast or is it just a quick response cassette?

[@owen687]

Yooooooo, upload times are looking good

[@AlfredoMancuso]

Thanks Owen! Glad you’re where!

[@eddiestsla]

Thanks for building up my wheel with this hub Phu! I ordered the Cro-mo version but they have an Aluminum axle with Titanium bolts version too. Fly didn't recommend it if you do grinds so hence the decision on Cro-mo.......thanks Alf for the review......first one of this hub in the states and in English finally

[@durkusdiggler2118]

What spokes did he use? Are yours bent excessively because of the super thick flange? I had huge issues and mine are way more bent than I would like. I even called phu for advice but he hadn’t built one yet. Love the hub!!!!!!!!! Fly is supposed to have extended j-bend spokes soon. Better late than never. Mine are laced to nasa rims.

[@Ful-OGold]

I am also a hi tech bmx nerd guy. I’d love to see your collection!

[@shanesischo7378]

I believe Ruben rode his for almost 7 years. And had zero problems.

[@traptruck6246]

Blew my mind!

[@garygary6032]

phu definitely needs a crazy bike build

[@RailGunsDayZ]

My friend loves his and never haves a problem

[@andrechambers5518]

Which one ya think gets wears faster?

[@ericcooper2174]

Super similar to the eclat seismic but the eclat has small flat springs instead of magnets

[@Jacob-ze6ck]

Phu came back

[@tybahl6119]

Hey Alf I’ve been trying to get the bolts on my female hubs to loosen but for some reason the middle parts of the hub won’t stop spinning when I’m trying to loosen the non drive side bolt do you know what’s up with it

[@Spicy_Conspiracy]

Seismic hub from eclat uses a spring to push the ratchet against the driver. Fly and eclat have similar hubs. Definitely think eclat will be better long term.

[@JohnMarston322]

That’s what I thought happy with my seismic hubs!

[@joelg1318]

Magnetic Levitation Hubs will be sick

[@jameswall1987]

In the year 2000, in the year 2000!

[@bonbigboy4412]

I'm an old school rider. Simplicity is what I say

[@miltonjosueperezmorales5256]

En relación al tema de la temperatura y la perdida del magnetismo...en otro vídeo David comenta que el imán usado en el driver es neodimio, y cuando revisas información sobre el tipo de imán, se puede encontrar que es el imán parmanente de mayor potencia, está también una tabla de temperatura de Curie en la que puede encontrarse la escala de temperatura en la que el imán pierde el magnetismo y está entre 300-800 C°

[@YING7777]

You have a point about metal in dirt

[@alexanderbmx]

Do a review on a 16 inch bmx for me..

[@porkchop1130]

I was beating it to this video that’s crazy 😂

[@Bigrig_trmc]

He said I don’t have a magnet to check if it’s aluminum🤣🤣🤣 u have a magnet in ur hand phu!!🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@MrFuchew]

look how many points of engagement there are vs the 4 on a profile. not gonna skip like profile does.

[@wesleysept6536]

It's a good thing that I'm not a " timetraveller", cause if I were, I'd be taking your magnetic hub back to 1987! I sure have been dreaming of " freecoasters" for a long time! A lot of us have been, you kids today are spoiled, we had to rough it, with garbage for parts! Anyways, thanks for another great video, I love your videos. Wes Sept

[@MikeHunt-lz2hq]

The magnetic driver does not equate to it being a freecoaster .those are built differently

[@jakjohn672]

That is a cool cassette agreed

[@LoveHateSexPain311]

the hub is very well sealed from any small particles magnetic or not. also creates less friction . you have a better chance of lighting you before the hub since your just a sack of water. Yes magnets loose their power when hot but, the amount of heat required will never be accomplished on this bicycle. The hub is a better mouse trap that i would buy.

[@justinfrederick6629]

I dont have a magnet to test it ... lol

[@oneof8879]

What if you get a giant neodymium magnet and make the magnet pull stronger

[@bmtlocksport5587]

Can anyone confirm the material of the gears?

[@ethan-eo5jb]

I really wanna hear it on a bike

[@juliangaribay4711]

The magnet can be helped with certain lubes aswell

[@jobmx3576]

Wow

[@parkersgarage4216]

thats really interesting to see thats for sure. the magnetic hubs engagement is far superior the the 4 pawl design by far. that magnetic hub will never slip. the other hub having 4 pawls and each pawl engaging 1 tooth is actually kinda crappy tbh. its pretty much the same design as a ratchet you use to work on the bikes. the more teeth you have the better thats for sure. as far as dust etc. i wouldnt worry much on the magnetic hub as its most likey sealed up very well. i guarantee the magnetic hub will last longer as well. the regular hub id lube that w superlube. same thing i use on my ratchets.

[@sawyerbarnes7439]

“Some ITT nerd did it” hahahahaha

[@paulbernard2397]

Driver isn't an aluminium alloy as aluminium cannot be magnetised, it has a different configuration of electrons that elements that can be magnetised.

[@Bigrig_trmc]

Max is always right🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤣

[@phillipwilliams8805]

It almost reminds you like the gearing of a transmission.

[@luilee741]

Up next what's inside of a floating bmx

[@Bigrig_trmc]

Yes dirt has metal and if u ride dirt it’ll collect on the gears but I’d recommend any other hub 🤘🏻

[@Gehajjs62727]

Yup, these hubs are catastrophic in MTB. But some brands swear by them.

[@johnmoorr9335]

You too smart bruh, nerd!

[@howardgillingham4763]

Here's something no one can get, it's a unicorn bike part

[@adyzanahmad8565]

Fly magneto... Luxury hub...

[@MrFuchew]

the driver and cone washers are stainless steel buddy

[@adamortiz5846]

Fucking magnets, how do they work? Miracles

[@aaronmiller6215]

Ryan williams titanium bike check ever happen?

[@ahmadabdeen9975]

You should have had the eclat seismic hub it’s looks pretty similar to that fly hub

[@Perry155]

The eclat seismic hub doesn’t have magnets I don’t believe.

[@Bigrig_trmc]

U shouldnt get struck cuz of the magnets cuz ur rubber tires keep the bike from being grounded… jus like a car

[@zahari_s_stoyanov]

It has to heat up really high to lose its strength

[@narutointel]

👍

[@frankcarrion1011]

I understand the theory of collecting metal that is a big con

[@ThePurePlayaz]

Makes me think why didn't I think of that? Kinda reminds me of bullet trains.

[@seangeraghty9308]

I LOVE MAGNETS! The Montezuma's revenge rollercoaster at Knot's Berry Farm in SoCal uses some gnarly magnets.

[@vasilhs01papag65]

Eclat sismic vs fly magneto

[@mitchellloessl320]

I'm pretty sure it's called a pawl not a paw 🤔

[@paulhope3401]

So its a neat engineering solution ie; cool, its different in that it uses magnets instead of springs to engage drive.... but its expensive and it has to offer something over paws and springs to have its USP but I'm just not seeing it... what are these advantages? What was the problem with paws and springs to have a need for this? Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me, I've never had conventional ratchet drive fail on me in over 15 years of riding. If it aint broke don't try to fix it... or have I missed something?

[@randomchannel4886]

Less moving parts

[@bellringer4515]

Expensive? I just ordered the Magneto hub set with 7075 aluminum axels and titanium bolts for a grand total of $254.15 which is just about the same price for 1 Shadow Definitive cassette hub. So what do you mean expensive?

[@adamarroyo8666]

You should do a vid , on the back peg hitting your shoe . Is this a common thing or am I doing something wrong .🤦🏻

[@eddiestsla]

Common thing.... get shorter cranks

[@draleigh8881]

It has to be at 176 Fahrenheit for it to lose its magnetism

[@mab01]

Indeed! And depending of which category of the magnetic material it can be way higher! Looking at some graphics on the internet I don't think the environmental temperature changes would affect this in a way it would be much perceptible.

[@jonmcdonald713]

@too many waifus destroys your laifu magnets work like metal rusting for example it’s not a process or effect that’s ability worsens like a machines parts wearing it’s constant and is never in contact with anything you will break many paws and springs before that magnet looses any of its ability

[@randycollins2607]

I live by the guys at profile I get to ride with a lot of the people who work there. Great bunch of guys.

[@biglou76]

That’s what’s up I live in Tampa

[@randycollins2607]

@@biglou76 if you follow Flbmx there will be another morning sesh coming up.

[@AlfredoMancuso]

That’s what’s up!

[@biglou76]

@@randycollins2607 definitely checking in to it

[@randycollins2607]

@@biglou76 last Meetup was great they gave away prizes for people who showed up first or just had a good time. One guy got something for having the best sunburn. 😂

[@Bigrig_trmc]

Also u have a magnet in ur hand phu and u said u didn’t have a magnet to check if the gear was aluminum🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Sharpened_Spoon]

lol it’s just a DT Swiss

[@dgw6448]

Pawl - pronounced like Paul

[@davidanderson-22]

"When heated above 176° Fahrenheit (80° Celsius), magnets will quickly lose their magnetic properties." -- apexmagnets

[@MrNamaikisaru]

If your bike is at a temperature of 80c I'd say your tires have already melted off and your hub is the least of your worries.

[@roberthuffmann8204]

Thank you!

[@randycollins2607]

Crazy

[@AlfredoMancuso]

Pretty wicked

[@skizzarz]

I'd rather be a geek than take 16 minutes to explain a 2 minute comparison...

[@nickf.2871]

That just looks more complicated and prone to wearing out quicker i agree its different but what happens when the synthetic magnet demagnetizes and it has the new cnc baring what if they stop making that size baring cartridge in a year or two then its a paperweight just for magnets and "sealed" barings

[@LordFarrquaad]

Sourcebmx has the fly magneto hub in stock, just saying

[@manuvega1107]

Primero el producto lo probaron y perfeccionaron 6 malditos años 😡

[@christv5134]

This man is pinoy

[@Bigrig_trmc]

I love my shadow cassette the sound of a cassette does make me salivate lol🍆🍆🍆

[@spudvader]

The pawl system is still better over cost and performance when system is not engaged i.e. coasting. There is a larger surface area of the ratchet system in constant contact, the same negative that was earlier in the video with 6 pawl system, so creating drag (making you slower) and friction which causes wear. The upside is the magnetic system doesn't seem hard to pull apart and replace. As for cost, constant friction means more wear and it's a proprietary tech at this point so more cost again. Cool tech but just another one for the trash

[@zemertv5950]

😍😍😍😍👏👏👏👏✊✊✊✊✊