Inside The Tanks: The Churchill - World of Tanks

[@andrewh7713]

Notice that the AVRE turret has no basket to enclose the turret crew. They had to move around the hull floor as the turret rotated. This allowed space for the 6th crew member and the extra demolition explosive charges.

[@andrewcombe8907]

There are some serious errors in this. The Churchill was named after the grandfather of PM Churchill. The Besa was 7.92mm not 7.62mm. The mechanical problems were largely resolved by 1942 and the Churchill was largely unchanged from 1941 save for the main armament being upgraded initially from 2pdr high velocity anti tank to the 6pdr anti tank gun then the QF 75mm. The Churchill in North Africa scored the first kill of a Tiger tank (Tiger 131) in 1943.

[@Phantomrasberryblowe]

The Churchill had amazing hill climbing ability and was able to cross the muddy ground and force through the forests of the Reichswald in 1944.A contemporary report expressed the belief that no other tank could have managed the same conditions.The Churchill served not only in WW2 but many American Units were extremely glad of its amazing hill climbing ability in Korea when is could get to place Sherman and Pershing could not dream of. In the the fighting in late 1944 the Germans flooded the area so badly that resupply could only be carried out by using DUKW’s. Even the roads were impassable to trucks. Yet the 6th Guards tank brigade equipped with Churchill’s, fought and continued the advance. Apparently, Churchill’s crossed an underwater bridge on the Dneiper river, and operated without problem along side T-34′s in a swamp. The hill climbing ability of the Churchill is legendary. Many times in Italy and Tunisia the Churchill’s would climb hills the Germans thought were utterly tank proof. On one occasion a Colonel Koch of the Herman Goering regiment, transmitted this radio message: “… been attacked by a mad tank battalion which had scaled impossible heights and forced me to withdraw!” It had ridiculous amount of armour, which was neigh penetrable except by the most powerful of guns. It had initially 102mm in front, which was then upgraded to 152mm for the later models. That’s more than the Tiger I! And it’s larger chassis also allows it to use larger turrets and subsequently larger guns such as the 6-pounder and the QF 75mm, which were the same guns used on the Cromwell. Churchill’s were adequately armed for the job they were meant to do. After WWII a study was carried out on all armoured units in 21st army group. The 4th Grenadiers had the lowest casualty rate of all of them. There’s reports from Italy of a single Churchill getting hit over 100 times by enemy AT weapons. There’s a report from Normandy where a Churchill crested a ridge line and an enemy ATG opened fire, the first round hit the Drivers periscope and concussed the Driver. The Germans then shot at it until darkness. The only effect was to shoot off the Churchill’s external fittings, and at night fall the Crew were able to escape unharmed apart from headaches from the impacts of shells all day. The Churchill itself was recovered and repaired. The best all round tank of the war, a tank generals would prefer in their arsenal, was probably the Churchill. As an army moves forward, tanks have to do a multitude of tasks. Tank v tank engagements were rare. No other tank accomplished the various tasks better and more comprehensively than the Churchill. It was heavily armoured could match most tanks in the 6pdr gun version and with APDS ammunition could penetrate a Tiger. It could turn on its own axis and could climb mountains, as it did in Tunisia. At Dieppe it was the only tank in the world that could get off those pebble beaches. And half got over the sea wall. Attributes that went un-noticed to the Germans. Its failing was the slow engine - two bus engines mated and laid flat (which did give a lower centre of gravity). No attempt was made to insert the RR Meteor engine. It was to be discontinued but performed well at El Alemein so was kept on. It was also the basis of the Hobart 'Funnies'. The Churchill also had the highest survivability in any tank of WW2. A much ignored tank.

[@CrniWuk]

There is a story, that Churchill once said, the tank had almost as many flaws like he did.

[@pweter351]

He made some colossal fuck ups like moving the British Chinese fleet to Singapore, not giving the Turks their ships that they had paid for and insisting that the Australian 8 div go to Singapore and then surrendering those cost Around 20,000 Australian lives.

[@CBfrmcardiff]

pweter351 These are not the best examples. Where else could the British Pacific fleet have been based, to greater advantage? What if Churchill had not seized the ships being constructed in a British shipyard, and then the Turks had come into the War on Germany's side with the two big battleships that had been finished in the UK? What if, instead of attacking the UK, the Turks had used the ships to start a new war with Greece? What, also, if those two ships had meant the difference between victory and defeat in the expected North Sea clash with the Imperial German Navy? What if Britain was legally entitled to seize the ships - after all, the government can seize commercial vessels? What if the Australian troops hadn't been sent - everybody would be asking, "why didn't he send the Australian 8th division - then Singapore would have been saved".

[@liamnotleum170]

I used to live in Bovington years ago, great museum, great video.

[@BNRmatt]

"Grease nipple" is my new favorite tanking term.

[@samuelbhend2521]

“Schmiernippel“ - (grease nippel) is the official term for this thing in german. I'm swiss and have never ever heard any other term for it. What would it then officially be in english?

[@SLACKPLAN9]

I thought it was named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, and ancestor of Winston.

[@micahmurphy4546]

It was

[@derrickstorm6976]

A fitting coincidence...

[@mtoole1791]

It is disputed both ways. Although Churchill himself did say it was named after his ancestor.

[@idkwhy6684]

Maybe

[@justforever96]

They *said* it was because it would be considered uncool to name it after the man in office today. But it was a pretty weird coincidence, and it is pretty likely they just wanted to flatter Churchill. They had undreds of names to choose from. Can you picture if they had come out with a new tank in the 90s and the US had named it "Clinton", but then insisted it was named after one of the numerous prominent Clintons in US history? No one would have bought it. With good reason.

[@battlebae12]

really held back on the information there

[@andrewemery4272]

My uncle commanded Crocodiles in Normandy. He said the Germans knew exactly what the Crocodiles were, and when the Crocodiles appeared the Germans disappeared...!

[@topguntopcat]

One of my Fav WW2 tanks. I look forward to more of these vids very simple but very good keep them coming

[@TopHatHat]

3:40 Tanker for holding fuel for the flamethrower attachment NOT FOR THE ENGINE!

[@METALLICARULES11]

The crocodile was so feared by the Germans that when a crocodile was captured the Crew would often be shot immediately....

[@AnikaJarlsdottr]

+METALLICARULES11 that was the case with ANY flame thrower vehicle.

[@Shorjok]

+METALLICARULES11 Moreover, crocodile crews would often keep the aggression down if they knew they didn't stand a very good chance of winning as they knew how ruthlessly they'd be treated by their captors.

[@vaporfarts]

Well, they started their friends ON FUCKING FIRE. Wouldn't you be pissed too? There's something about making someone burn to death that seems much more rude than shooting or exploding.

[@binaway]

that happened to most flame thrower operators captured by any enemy army.

[@martkbanjoboy8853]

The bloody Germans didn't care about using flame weapons on Allies or innocent people, so it was all good imo. Anyways the Crocodilie was usually paired with the AVRE. Easy to toss a 290 mm mortar bomb at the enemy trying to assault your buddies in the Crocodile. Reloading the mortar required exposing yourself, though! :-)

[@sheep21]

great video challenger, I hope there are may more to come, good man.

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

My grandad was a tank commander and loved the Churchill.

[@gunner678]

churchill certainly named for PM Winston Churchill, not happy originally due to the many faults, attitude changed with success! 5 man crew, fairly common for WW2 tank. excellent hill climbing ability, particularly useful on frozen hills of Korea, where crocodiles continued to fight on as a gun tank 75mm.

[@young.frankenstein55_54]

The church in world of tanks bounces incoming rounds like no other in encounter mode. It is typical to take 20 no hits and bounce 14 to 17 of them.

[@solreaver83]

Thats a very nice video, first time seeing inside a churchill thank you very much for the oportunity.

[@brandonlee2328]

Great Video, just the right length and informative but not boring and full of techy stuff. good job

[@Gj23jk2]

Thank God for the obnoxiously ear-splitting music. I might have forgotten for a second that these fascinating historical vignettes are targeted at teenaged viddy players.

[@michrain5872]

I hear you u,u

[@Eggnog396]

I might be the only near 12 year old interested in WW1/WW2 history, so this was pretty cool. I wish that this went a bit more in-depth in terms of the history behind the tank and a bit more on the mechanics side of things. But your right, even for me the music was kind of odd for this style of video.

[@derrickstorm6976]

Are you kidding me, the videos from 8-7 years ago from today are just riddled with errors and misinformation

[@petearundel166]

"Military Expert" on the back of his hoodie but clearly knows no more than anyone with a basic interest in tanks. Churchill was basically reliable from the MkIII and MkIV versions of mid'42 and the MkVII didn't arrive till '44. Anyone who thinks that's a 7.62mm machinegun clearly knows sod all about british tanks of WWII.

[@NightWatch707]

Pete Arundel That surprised me as well. I thought Russians liked the Churchill IIIs they got through Lend and Lease.

[@maxclickenhof1049]

With you all the way about this BUT that does look like a 7.62mm padlock ;)

[@harrysterry6726]

Pro Brit

[@derrickstorm6976]

Exactly, like every British tank used the Besa during WW2

[@petearundel166]

@Ashton Engelbrecht Actually, they're 7.92mm or 8mm Mauser if you prefer. The BESA was only used by the British army in armoured vehicles and was, uniquely, not chambered in .303.

[@kaedez8881]

Pretty sure that this tank commanded by *darjeeling*

[@ramseslagan2759]

Girls und panzer !!!

[@idkwhy6684]

Stop

[@youraveragegupfan2507]

She already is in an churchill....

[@announcerspeakerboxbfdi4966]

Idk man, this chirchill is too slow for a st.ggc chirchill

[@youraveragegupfan2507]

@@announcerspeakerboxbfdi4966 but still, it's an churchill VII that darjeeling use..

[@wwyattsr]

omg i love the Churchill series i used to have Churchill 3 then i sold it along with my excelsior to get the hetzer and others

[@The_Ninedalorian]

+Walter Wyatt why in fucks sakes would you sell a Premium Tank?

[@wwyattsr]

well some premium tanks are bad for people who don't know how to use them

[@Dragonblaster1]

The Churchill was not named after Sir Winston, but his many-greats grandfather, the Duke of Marlborough, John Churchill.

[@gemyniraptor8626]

in a less serious note, great use of the phrase "grease nipple"

[@davidca96]

Churchill was a great tank, for what it was designed for. It didnt do well at tank vs. tank, it was designed as a bunker buster/line breaker and it did that really well. Climbed like a spider, love seeing those things climb hills.

[@neilgutteridge6405]

Not totally true.....when armed with the six pounder it was half decent in the anti tank role.The 6pdr is often slated as useless,usually by those who haven't got a clue,but it was in fact effective against armour. In the second half of the war when new ammunition became available it was very effective even against fairly heavy armour.

[@alantorres7916]

Unlike a lot of tanks had a crew of 5 •_• 1 m4a3e8 2 t34/85 3 Cromwell 4 tiger 5 panzer 3 6 Panzer 4 7 panther 8 m4 9 m4a1 10 m1a2 11 jumbo sherman 12 m24 chaffee 13 m60 14 m48 15 leopard 1 16 chieftain 17 tiger 2 18 kv1 19 is1 20 is2 21 is3 22 is4 23 su 152 24 t 10 25 is8 List go's on

[@livingroomtheatre174]

M48 had crew of 4 not 5 i believe

[@corporaal1]

I have been in the Bovington tank museum! it's absolutely awesome. =)

[@chippledon1]

The Churchill has always been an intriguing tank to me. Thick armor. Unique suspension, etc. So was it a good tank???

[@GjordDeLad05]

It was a very good tank, aside from it's disaster debut at Dieppe beach Churchill did what it meant to did really well which was to support infantry.

[@justforever96]

It is one of the better tanks. Define 'good'. It was a lot better than most of the others the British had available. It was effective, got the job done, kind of like the M4 Medium. It depends on what you are trying to do with it, and it has certain strengths and weaknesses, like any tank.

[@livingroomtheatre174]

Jagdpanthers laughing at the corners!

[@lugail46]

Wow you made the intro so epic

[@sleepyrasta420]

2:17 it isn't a 7.62 machine gun. The British used the besa a British made version of the Czech ZB-53 which was 7.92 Mauser.

[@alecblunden8615]

The Churchill machine guns were Besas in Mauser 7.92 mm.

[@jakedeane5304]

Those tanks are is amazing condition

[@battlebae12]

+Erzengel2552 well first of all you have to revearse engineer get each part appraised and checked for damage or corrosion, if the parts are not there they will have to be hand made by a blacksmith as the manufacturing companies stopped making them. and finding another restorative tank may have the same problems. also it's put on display so fireing mechanisms and gun holders are not to be there. the engine wouldnt be there as why would you drive it around. and next you have to pay everyone to look it over build some stuff fix broken mechanisms and such all pretty exspensive and time consuming. to much to put on display if it's just going to sit there. so pretty much agreed with your current statement.

[@DandizzleUK]

+martK banjoboy yeah... blacksmith ha... nah, i'm pretty sure they'd be able to hand machine a few parts on site, and if not outsource for one off jobs for manufacture by specialst metal/casting companies.

[@battlebae12]

That's why there are other tanks you get to use its parts. And yes you can lathe but if you want German it's hand made I bet they have enough tanks to repair and replace others as well. But for certain tanks that's usually how it's done. And yeah a finely trained blacksmith can hand forge any part know to man.

[@Electronzap]

Very nice!

[@slimyish]

my Aunts Father was Churchill commander, he was blown up 4 times on D-day and each time went to a new tank

[@chilipepper61]

Small mistake but the BESA machine gun was 7.92mm calibre and not 7.62mm

[@catacool112]

I think i could stay all day in that museum.

[@lauri9685]

you guy's make really good games

[@_Syned_]

crew training and retraining do matter for getting the best out of a freshly bought tank. Even then though I do agree, team play cannot be offset purely with good personal play.

[@lesschestisbest]

very fun and informative, thanks for the vid WG and The_Challenger :)

[@WarmongersInc]

Whats that glass covered hole in the frontal plate? Left from the bow machine(well right of it,depends how you look) Empty shell ejection?

[@hughb232]

+Warmongers Inc. its the drivers vision port, its how he would see out as he cannot stick his head out of the hatch

[@adamskinner5868]

sorry I just don't think he's as good at the review as the Chieftain, not anywhere near as much detail with lots of things missed (like what were the big latch things on the Commander's and Loader's hatches, 2 on each diagonally opposed?). He also should train himself to stop repeating "you can clearly see" or "plainly see" every few minutes and then he'd have more time to explain the different aspects. Just a thought from an armchair critic, no offense meant.

[@coraline7866]

My favorite tank ever

[@MrDerpatron3000]

Wow, tanks are huge.

[@SuperBeavey]

awesome i plan to go there sometimes

[@rhilton1881]

Where is this tank museum? They've restored the tanks very well, it seems.

[@stevenbreach2561]

Bovington,in Dorset.The Spiritual Home of the Royal Armoured Corps

[@TheBladeEdge]

The guy who originally named the grease nipples should get a medal.

[@dog11222]

Besa mg are 7.92

[@derrickstorm6976]

He didn't even know it was a Besa mg, that's the problem

[@brandonlee2328]

Great Video

[@TerLoki]

Oh yes, a five-man crew was very uncommon at the time; only used by the M4 Sherman, M5 Stuart, M26 Pershing, Panzer III, Panzer IV, Panther, Tiger, Tiger II, T-34-85, KV-1, Cromwell, Chi-Nu... That's enough to make my point, isn't it?

[@nixnix22]

TerLoki True

[@farmerned6]

Terloki "Of the time" that time being 1941, to start he Stuart had a crew of 4 (being a small light tank) M4 wouldn't see WW2 until the tail end of North africa, the Pershing not until the last days of the war in Europe, Tiger 1942, King Tiger 1943, T-34-85, Chi-Nu & Cromwell 1944 That just leaves the Panzer III & the KV-1 Next time google it

[@PeterCTheRock]

actually yes, 4 man crew was ''uncommon''

[@Rex-mr8bw]

Farmer ned 6 The Panzerkampfwagen IV (Panzer 4) was also manned by 5 men and the pz4 entered service in 1937

[@VRichardsn]

I have always been curious about that supposed great climbing ability. I mean, the tank has a lousy power to weight ratio. What made it so good at it, then?

[@VRichardsn]

dimapez Its the best theory we have for now :D

[@Paciat]

+Richardsen dimapez is right.

[@VRichardsn]

Paciat Do you have any books you can refer me to? I would love to get more in depth in regards of this matter.

[@colinkelly5420]

+Richardsen Its engine delivered lots of torque, and it was geared low. You don't need an exceptional hp/t rating in that case. Plus as said, wide tracks, low center of gravity, good weight distribution due to bogey system, advanced gearbox system allowing for neutral steering and variable speed to individual tracks (rather then using breaks on tracks to reduce speed in one direction).

[@VRichardsn]

Colin Kelly That is the explanation I was looking for! Thank you _very much_, kind sir.

[@bobbiemanueldelapena4997]

I suddenly remembered how Darjeeling would leisurely chug on her tea in a middle of an intense fight inside that tank...

[@iam62goinon63]

I knew a churchill driver . The turret was taken clean off by an 88 . He he was the only survivor. He said he survived because the turret was not facing forward? Why was this ?

[@etaylor495]

The Besa guns in the hull and turret are 7.92, not 7.62

[@blackjack5293]

when youve lived a very humble modest life like myself, you look at these things as possible ideas for an ideal home. its weather and theft proof for one thing and can be cosy with a remodel.

[@roydonovan9063]

I believe it wasn't named after Winston Churchill, but the Duke of Malborough. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

[@ahmadfaishalmufadhol7816]

awesome!

[@mr_moopingman688]

Put Thai Subtitle Please. I am Thailand. And I love tanks.

[@Too1998]

I WANT TO GO THERE SO BAD!!

[@westleyshirlaw8437]

That tank looks like the jack of all trades master of none

[@socomseal93]

The production value on this video is much higher than that of The_Chieftan's M103 video.

[@Imprudentman]

very good tank

[@johnnyzippo7109]

The Americans build tanks that shoot good , the Germans build tanks that look good , the Russians build tanks that run good , and the British build tanks that kill people . A Tank Museum spin on the WW1 rifle original. Great video

[@jericchua8]

Aren't the BESA machineguns 7.92mm and not 7.62mm?

[@adityatayde98]

I really hope to see one run

[@migcaes11]

Whats the intro???? I wanna know it sounds so good

[@ivanchen8093]

the Bovington tank museum,I wish i could go but i live in california.

[@cristianvillanueva8782]

same

[@Vryx43]

too bad I'm in the Phil.

[@JdeMonster]

Same. we had the littlefield collection a while back, but they sold it all off in auctions.

[@izaicslinux6961]

+Ivan Chen theres a texas tank museum? with shermans and other American tanks.

[@TheRandCrews]

+Madscientist fort Knox

[@ithamarragenald1372]

Did the Churchill have a turret basket?

[@everythingphil9376]

Wasn't 7.92mm the caliber used for British machineguns?

[@demonprinces17]

Only certain models

[@gerbendevisser5508]

Maybe a stupid question, but do a tank have a gearbox?

[@johnburns4017]

The Churchill was not named after Winston Churchill. It was named after another member of his family.

[@jacobs.9797]

I just got the Churchill III from a chest in WoTB today.

[@andrewbarratt8551]

Would and should have been far more interesting had it not been so heavily cropped. Why have such a long intro and crop the actual footage so much?

[@owenwilkinson4991]

Yes a Churchill my favourite tank

[@therusher8]

The BESA machine gun is 7.92 mm in calibre, not 7.62.

[@colc5469]

Wasn't named after Winston Churchill officially. Actually one of his predecessors

[@thomasembleton1467]

7.62x51mm NATO was invented after WW2 in the 50s the calibre you want is 7.92 also know as 8mm mauser

[@reflechant]

I live near Moscow and i was in Kubinka tank museum. Saw Maus !!! It was not in good condition, made of 3 broken ones.

[@saladabiscuitz5573]

when will they put an actual crew in tanks in the game??? machine guns and infantry would be cool andbsome missions

[@01998]

LA TRASMISION, O LA PALANCA DE CAMBIOS,HE NOTADO UNA TORRETA COMO LA QUE TIENEN LOS OMNIBUS LEYLAND DE LOS 60/70s. ES UNA TORRETA NEUMATICA?

[@lolatmyage]

Its because of the horrible engine power and how the tracks are modeled, as said in the video, the Churchills were very good on crossing terrain

[@mh1ultramarine]

The churhcillc cocidile was one of the safer flamer tanks, as the fuel was not held in the tank

[@tommcewan7936]

05:40 That's an ammeter, not a voltmeter.

[@wwyattsr]

i hope that later really far into updates in pc and xbox 360 they add the people like in the loyd GC it is a completley open tank so i hope they add people in there and they move doing their jobs or when they are hurt that would be awesome b ut i know verry verry hard

[@Jeferson_Matias_]

Richard loves the Tortoise...

[@markrowland1366]

The Churchill was not named for the prime minister. The Bessa tank machine gun was not named for Birmingham Small Arms. and amazingly the Brits has enormous reserves of oil.

[@andro7862]

Best infantry tank ever, no question about it!

[@crism1507]

That tanks are in a museum?

[@alexanderg5564]

at 0:53 what is the tank to the left of the Renalt FT

[@kevinming7523]

+Alexander G whippet light tank

[@Leizra]

Where is the museum site?

[@CocoLeCat]

Wow I just knew that FT-17 is that smol

[@trollLIKEaBAUWS]

I wish they just put the Meteor engine in the churchill and a 17 pdr. and called it the Churchill Mk VIII

[@crabbyguy2737]

They did, its called the Churchill Black Prince

[@trollLIKEaBAUWS]

i forgot abt that, sad they didnt use it

[@Robi2009]

Me too. The only place that has e.g. Sherman DD.

[@LeveretteJamesClifford1955]

The Churchill's with the 6 pounder received a big boost when they recieved a discarding sabot round that made the 6 pounder far more powerful than a 75 with conventional rounds. Some claim that it made the 6 pounder able to piece a Tiger's armor at close range. I don't know because I wasn't there but if true, it made the Tiger a little less opposing. On the issue of the novel with the driver going into the turret to insect damage, the average height of a WW2 soldier was 5'6" with a weight of 120 pounds, unchanged from the American Civil War. We who are baby boomers grew much taller with more weight, I as 6 feet, 140 pounds when I was the age of a WW2 soldier. Hey, then I went to work at a medical teaching university and In the late 90s students began to arrive who were 6 feet five! At my bleloved grandmother's house in the country which was the first to have an indoor toilet and bathtub around 1923, when I reached 6 feet, I had to bend my head down to get into the bathroom. Wow, how much a short period of 100 and 20 years have we grown! Lastly the Churchill was the most survivable tank that the Allies had, with many full crews able to emerge after the tank and been destroyed or put out of action. Sources say that there were always full crews from out of action Churchills waiting for another Churchill. The obvious advantage is that a full crew who had trained and worked together fought better than a partial crew from a previous tank having to be filled out with replacements they had never worked with.

[@jrd33]

First Tiger knocked out was in Tunisia, by a 6 pdr with no standard ammunition. Tiger's armour was good when it came out in 1942 but was nothing special by 1944.

[@RodrigoMarinho42]

Where this video was recorded? Is it a museum? Is it open for public view? Thanks

[@Leo-ed4xx]

who know where was maked the video? is a "free" museum or not? thanks

[@mediocrefunkybeat]

+Leonardo Zanellato It's in the South-West UK. It's not free to visit but it is phenomenally good value for what you get. It's the Tank Museum, Bovington.

[@themasked.subject]

the tank that always kill my Pz. Kpfw 38 Na....even I cannot penetrate Churchill armor....

[@positivelynegative3260]

Wow, the chieftain looks a lot different here

[@christianvik3400]

7,62 mm machine gun? During WW2? I think not! It was probably a Besa 7,92 mm. The only other option during WW2 was 0.303 inch or 7,7 mm.

[@Bonk4Me]

*drops cover* The Churchill (amongst others) was confirmed for WarThunder! *awaits hype and hate*

[@edivisan9352]

+TheSpanishInquisition WT is rubish ;)

[@artreader2526]

+Edy Eduard wt is a lot more realistic and with better graphics, tell me what world of tanks has better :)

[@edivisan9352]

Repearzz - War Thunder & More! FPS ? And no the graphisc are not better maybe if you play on low yes but use the HD client and you will see that antique WT graphics are retarded. Better comunity, better developer, WAY MORE TANKS, MORE ACTION, FUN, MISSIONS. etc.

[@artreader2526]

Edy Eduard FPS? I get 60 fps on Very High on every game mode, idk what pc do u have but i have a normal-high one... Theres way more tanks in wot because those have alot less detail and the game is 6 years old when war thunder is 2. War Thunder is wop and wot together and a lot better without needing to download 2 games. Idk what are u talking about when you say theres more action in wot, if u want action play arcade, its less unrealistic and thats why, if you want realism play realistic or simulation battles. Fun? lets just leave it. Missions? Who cares about missions?

[@edivisan9352]

Repearzz - War Thunder & More! Go compare an HD model in WoT on the HD client with a tank in WT. And WT is not 2 years old WT Ground Forces is that does not say they had to start again they had the base of the game already just had to add tanks .

[@sebastianprimus3804]

where is the tea maker?