4. The Resurrection of Jesus (Advanced Theories)

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In this section, we'll look at popular theories used by scholars to combat the resurrection and show they are not nearly as strong as the resurrection argument.
Sources:
N. T. Wright - The Resurrection of the Son of God
Mike Licona - The Resurrection of Jesus
Gary Habermas and Mike Licona - The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus
JP Holding - Defending the Resurrection
Antony Flew and Gary Habermas - Did the Resurrection Happen?
E.P. Sanders - Jesus and Judaism
E.P. Sanders - The Historical Figure of Jesus
Richard Bauckham - Jesus and the Eyewitnesses
J Warner Wallace - Cold Case Christianity
David A. deSilva - Honor, Patronage, Kinship, & Purity
Origen - Contra Celsum
Justin Martyr - Apology
Josephus - Antiquities
Richard Bauckham - Gospel Women
Tacitus - Annals
James Saurin - Sermons of the Rev. James Saurin
Jacob Kremer - Die Osterevangelien
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[@alexandrumoraras]

I think we often overlook one very simple thing that doesn't make a lot of sense if Jesus wasn't truly the Son of God. How come one person and 12 followers from an occupied country by the greatest empire that ever existed, the roman empire, with their own gods, and their own beliefs, how come these 12 people spread a belief that now its the world's largest religion, worshiping Jesus as their savior? If that is not an the way God planed it, then I don't know what is. And if that is what God planed it, then it must be because Jesus indeed is the messiah and resurrected and did all that its been written. If this were science and not religion, then it would have been true a long time ago. And I'm not attacking science, I love science, I'm just comparing to other fields.

[@TerminalStillness]

Ignorance spreads religion

[@alexandrumoraras]

N/A N/A yeah because we are so smart that we know everything and know for a fact that there is no Creator. Come on! when we will be able to see past this universe and know everything there is to know about our universe, then maybe just maybe we say for certain there is no God, and even then there would be no way of knowing for sure.

[@TerminalStillness]

Alexandru Moraras The spawning of the Universe doesn't require a creator. "Come on! when we will be able to see past this universe" To other Universes that we can't see?

[@d_fendr6222]

The universe needs a creator. Simple fact. I hate when atheists deny science, supposedly where they get their beliefs from, and make this up. And before you go and give me reasons why the universe needs no creator, just know that I have practically heard every argument. They all don't explain our universe. Not even the multiverse theory does, so go on and cower behind your science. Jesus is coming, and soon there will be no place to hide.

[@ozskipper]

66% of this planet DONT believe in Christianity. I dont think your god is doing a good job of getting his message around.

[@hadmiar8]

It's absolutely ludicrous when a scholar thinks he can psychoanalyze a man from 2000 years ago based on writings from after he had a change in a particular attitude.

[@theunlearnedastronomer3205]

We can analyze, just not diagnose. Usually when people object that we cannot analyze Jesus or Paul or Peter, they then go on to ascribe only the best of motivations to them, as if they were, well, saints. For example, it is quite obvious in Paul’s writings that he is very defensive about what he regards as his apostleship.

[@Jsmith0819]

Proof that the evidence is insanely strong for a risen Christ. That was all so convoluted that the only way to really believe it is if you are totally unwilling to accept the simple explanation that it happened.

[@Heat4life131]

A body doesn't decompose in only one year lol

[@amberslahlize7961]

Much less bones.

[@marvalice3455]

It *can* but only in 100% natural circumstances. Even being wrapped and putt in a tomb will vastly increase the body's shelf life, especially in arid climates.

[@P.H.888]

How did Israel deal with dead bodies?

[@marvalice3455]

@@P.H.888 In the first century? They kept them in a tomb until the flesh had decayed than moved the bones to a box for storage till judgement day.

[@SmileyTheJester]

He Lives On!

[@macwade2755]

Happy Easter InspiringPhilosophy!

[@esdraskatumuako4838]

+InspiringPhilosophy I was wondering what are your views on Calvinism and could you also make a video discussing this doctrine.

[@toahordika6]

He's had debates about calvinism on youtube on other people's channels. You can find them by searching. He rejects it.

[@esdraskatumuako4838]

Thanks, could you give me some links because I'm not able to find them on his main channel.

[@toahordika6]

I can't seem to find the debate. Maybe I'm misremembering it.

[@CoolStoryJo]

God bless you, you total savage :].

[@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל]

On Saturday night, Pontius Pilate ordered to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb and bury it elsewhere, during the week a number of people(the women?) discovered that Jesus' tomb was empty,and because they did not know what happened on Saturday night. Why did Pontius not prove to them that it was their mistake? It would not have helped, the body had already rotted, and because of the blows Jesus had received, people would not believe that it was Jesus. Secondly, who said Pilate didn't do it and people just didn't believe him? Since believers did not even try to do anything against the Romans, Pilate simply gave them up and let them believe in the nonsense(for him) of Jesus' resurrection. It makes much more sense to me in the first place than the story of Jesus' resurrection and secondly to the fact that Pilate heard of the empty tomb and did not send soldiers to search for who stole the body, probably in light of Matthew's preposterous story of the Roman soldiers guarding the tomb. Regarding the creed(1 Cor 15), the study today tends to see the subject of 500+ people who saw Jesus after the resurrection or as a later addition of later Christian scribe,or Paul's addition that wasn't part of the original creed.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

That is unlikely, considering Christianity caught the attention of the emperor just a few decades later. Pilate would have continued to attempt to appease the Jews and dealt with the Christian message. The fact remains they had no body. That also doesn’t explain why they would invent a tale of women, it doesn’t explain why they thought Jesus was physically resurrected instead of being taken to heaven, it doesn’t explain the appearances. The appearance to the 500 fits with the rhythmic structure of the creed. There isn’t a reason to think it was added in later.

[@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל]

@@InspiringPhilosophy About the 500+....could be Paul adition to the original creed. 2nd.....The 500+ does not appear in the Gospels nor in the book of Acts, which raises the question "Why?" I don't use it as evidence, just asking what the reason is. Moreover, Jesus did not fulfill his promise of Jonah sign, he did not show himself to the Sanhedrin or the priests after the resurrection.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yes he did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpPQqKt-opaefdk And the fact that the gospels do not mention the appearance to the 500 only makes it more likely to be a part of the creed. The creed contains other appearances not in the gospels like the independent appearance to peter and the one to James, so the 500 appearance fits with the context.

[@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל]

@Christian Slayer IP didn't show me in his link that Jesus apeared infront of the Sanhedrin as he promised.

[@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל]

@@InspiringPhilosophy Pilate didn't give a shit about the Jews, he was a cruel maniac that even the mad Emperor Caligula knocked him out of his post as governor of Judah for his cruelty!

[@nicholasricardo8443]

Also the resurrection in Christianity is distinguished from the epicurean belief of deification (a hyper-physical existence with all the pleasure of life and none of the consequence) as Christ and all the scripture is against indulgence. Additionally, Christ's death is incompatible with even the concept of deification, as death, even if temporary, was at odds with epicurean philosophy. Deification, as seen in Hercules, was a triumph against death, never involving a gruesome execution, but the Christian view is that death is both our greatest shame and our greatest triumph.

[@HeroQuestFans]

a very common belief among some atheists these days (ref: Tim O'Neill of the popular website "historyforatheists.com", a man I greatly respect, btw) is that Paul and the early Christians believed in a SPIRITUAL resurrection of Jesus (not bodily, hence no reference to the "empty tomb" in their apologetics) and it was only four decades later, when the Gospels were written, that we see belief in the physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus as the Christian belief. now obviously these atheists don't believe in miracles nor do they believe in "prooftexting" the bible (actually, the latter I have a problem with as well). so how to address the argument that there is a clear line of "evolution" in these texts? What about those who believe the Jews believed in a physical resurrection from the dead, but that this was just a temporary thing, you got a chance to live again, to live out your 1000 year life span and that was it? that the "spiritual" stuff was all the influence of the Greeks? And so it goes.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfJnqWfpKuheLs

[@HeroQuestFans]

@@InspiringPhilosophy ah, thank you! Now all we need is some non-Christian scholar agreeing with it (if they don't trust Christians).

[@ToelJhute]

@@HeroQuestFans that’s unnecessary, if the argument is evidentially valid, that is all that is needed. You would not need scholars who have biased against one specific viewpoint due to their own presuppositions to validate the theory and explanation

[@nickstroligo5676]

​@@HeroQuestFansthis is a genetic fallacy to dismiss merely because you distrust the source but anyways if you are curious there are multiple scholars who deny the ressurection like Dale Allison who admit that the earliest image of ressurection by the Christians is the exact same image as we have in modern day that took little to no time to form as evidenced by 1 corinthians 15

[@MetalDeathEnigma]

Seems like a choice between evidence + 1 near-impossibility (resurrection), and a series of mundane rationalizations that fail to aggregate into a coherent story.

[@goldenalt3166]

The problem is that your "facts" are far from actual facts. A prime example is "the 500 at one time". IP is arguing that multimodal mass hallucinations don't occur when the "fact" is that Paul heard a story somewhere that some believed there was an appearance to 500. We've seen this happen recently, the miracle at Fatima. So we know it's possible to hear a story about a mass appearance and for people to believe that. Christians today hear stories of appearances of Jesus and believe those stories without evidence. Why would we assume they couldn't do it 2000 years ago?

[@MetalDeathEnigma]

​@@goldenalt3166 Yeah it seems impossible to really say anything conclusively about what happened to any specific person 2000 years ago, regardless of how famous they were.

[@HoneyBadger1184]

From what movie are these pictures??

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I am not sure, I think what you are referring to is what I found on freebibleimages.org.

[@theisticlogos2539]

HoneyBadger1184 “The Gospel of ____” movies on Netflix. There is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

[@MrRock725]

At one point in the video you criticize Lüderman for trying to psychoanalyze Paul, saying it's impossible to do given that we have very few sources of information on him and his mental state. Aren't you doing the same when you try to prove that he doesn't fit the profile of one who would convert to Christianity over grief?

[@jelloladyful]

+MrRock725 There's a subtle, yet significant difference between anachronistically offering a psychological portrait of someone from a collectivist society like Ludemann attempts to do in his work, and arguing what would motivate someone within that particular historical context to do something. The former attempts to examine a historical figure under the assumption that they possessed internal psychological states the way people in modern, Western societies do today. The problem with this being that people back then did not possess such psychological states and so any analysis along this route is futile and profoundly anachronistic. What the latter does is assess motivating factors relevant to that person's context such as honor, shame, or community approval in order to reconstruct why they may have did what they did. Please ask away if what I wrote is unclear to you.

[@MrRock725]

+Rolo Baez What makes you think people back then did not possess modern psychological states? Also wouldn't even a little bit of what you call "anachronistic" psychoanalysis be necessary in order to asses the motives of someone from the past?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+MrRock725 no, because we have Paul's actual words which says he was not grieving. Paul says he was zealous for the faith. I am just going off what is already there and what Paul says.

[@MrRock725]

+InspiringPhilosophy I see, thank you.

[@duckymomo7935]

MrRock725 Only if the behavior is deviant from standard psychology eg claiming Paul is autistic is very hard to convince Moreover, some people have hypothesized Paul was asexual, this is more plausible than claim autistic

[@adammiller2395]

Fair enough. I've watched the whole series with an open mind. Good argument. But doesn't this reasoning and historical method degrade what faith means? Look at Dostoevsky for example.

[@oliverzanier8202]

Adam Miller are u asking as a Christian or atheist? Just asking so I can answer in a suitable way :)

[@anneg1468]

Hi. I used to be a Catholic.I put my faith in it for almost five decades. If I didn't do some searching,, I wouldn't know the truth and the lies of religions.

[@xxxmmm3812]

no and s dostoevskiy in the cannon and I missed it somehow

[@amberslahlize7961]

According to Scripture, faith isn't blind reason. There would be no hope if that was the case. Just a simple explaining of the Scriptural definition of faith.

[@YellowScar2014]

Basically, Faith is another word for trust. And IP's method is good for knowing WHO to trust.

[@hewhositsuponfroggychair5722]

Hello internet, and welcome to skeptic theory!

[@a.t.6322]

4:46 to 4:56. This is a false statement. The Christian community that produced the Gospel of Matthew certainly thought many saints were resurrected after his resurrection. Matthew 27: 52-53.

[@gleasonparker1684]

The Jews seem to interpret three days and three nights as parts of three days and three nights. So the Sunday Resurrection is quite plausible. Indeed demanded.

[@P.H.888]

Any time after sun down Saturday night.

[@os4300]

Say, do any skeptics bring up the fact that the jews would remove the bones of the dead from their tombs and place them in ossuaries? And does this fact effect your theories in any way?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+OS No, why would it?

[@os4300]

+InspiringPhilosophy Oh, I would imagine that some might try to claim the reason the tomb was empty was because the bones were removed and placed in a ossuary, and the disciples then stole that. A sort of late conspiracy theory.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+OS The Sanhedrin had the bones though, and most scholars think it was found just 3 days later because of the use of women.

[@xxxmmm3812]

do you know much time it takes to decompose? by that tome christianity was spreading like wild fire

[@robindean5261]

advanced theory lol

[@mineblade1000]

Hey just wondering how many of my Reformed and/or Calvinist brothers watch IP?

[@taylorcanon8890]

I do.

[@mineblade1000]

Taylor Canon ***** welcome the minority club folks

[@P.H.888]

Why would you follow anyone but Christ? Calvin Luther Peter Paul?? .... no.

[@MrEman601]

the Bible say what he look like and it not that hoped you find the truth because that

[@easternmcg]

The Bible doesn't define what he likes like, The only description is in Isaiah 53:2 Which says: _"He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him"_ It hardly matters what Jesus looked like. What truly counts is what He accomplished for us on the cross in paying the price for our sins.

[@g-max2810]

Chris G now you and the 9 know that other versus says a A bit more.

[@ghelatissimo]

whats after life .. then !

[@JezusisHeer777]

InspiringPhilosophy what does HELIVES O mean??

[@jon250]

He Lives

[@UnratedAwesomeness]

It’s like He Olives but different

[@bobwhelan5636]

While I applaud the strength of your convictions for allowing comments and the presentation of your pieces is of a high standard, how is it that you don't seem to recognise that none of this stuff is real?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

The challenge is still open, offer a theory that explains all the data better than the resurrection hypothesis.

[@bobwhelan5636]

Better than an invisible sky fairy bringing it's son/itself back from the dead? That's easy, none of it ever happened and the council of Nicaea made up a story.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Wow, the council of Nicaea. So clearly you had no idea what the council was about, do you? You do realize we have manuscripts which pre-date the council, right? So did they use a time machine after they made it up?

[@bobwhelan5636]

You asked for a better theory, I gave you a better theory. Almost any theory that doesn't include the intervention of a non existent god is far better than this resurrection idiocy. Your presentation relies heavily on the bible accounts being evidence, and this is the major flaw in your that renders it no better than fanciful bible fan fiction, irrespective of the seemingly high production values of your work. The bible is not evidence of itself, and given that there are no contemporary mentions of this alleged event anywhere else, it follows that it is unlikely to have happened. That is even before one considers that there is no original bible; the storybook you call evidence is actually just a collection of stories put together with an agenda in mind, that had all been translated and mistranslated, edited, amended, and adapted, poorly copied and clumsily reconstructed for hundreds of years before being collected together. Yours is not a reliable source, and takes the meaning of the word "evidence" so far from its intended purpose that what you should be using instead is "Hearsay" or "ancient gossip". Unless you don't know that the bible was not written in English, of course. The time machine theory of yours is interesting and creative but most probably unworkable, but still more plausible than the sky fairy magic show nonsense you've put up here.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

That is assuming your worldview, which is arguing in a circle and I addressed this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4eogoqHfb6sbdU&app=desktop

[@unisoulja6227]

Bart "strawman-builder" Ehrman. Always good for a giggle

[@charlesrankin1190]

Dr. Erhman does realize bones can last millions of years, right?

[@nasasjanitor994]

Exactly, I think he forgot Dinosaur Fossils exist.

[@randomuser6306]

Fossils are rocks though. They become mineralized into rocks.

[@ToelJhute]

@@randomuser6306 after many years, many centuries not merely 40-70 years, even then, the bones are still intact and can be easily identifiable

[@onlyalexicon1]

@@randomuser6306 check out this article: Mid-Pliocene warm-period deposits in the High Arctic yield insight into camel evolution basically bones that aren't fossils are called subfossils, and they often still have significant collagen for analysis. bones can last for a long, long time

[@tommywatson4303]

@@nasasjanitor994 i used to believe in millions of years but then believing in the Bible changed that belief. I don’t know if you could give me some reason why millions of years is actually the truth? I’m genuinely curious because Ive heard both Can be correct it’s just a matter of how you look at the evidence.

[@chaosinorder9685]

I noticed how you put the evidence initials to spell "He lives"

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+The Logical Christian Yep!

[@chaosinorder9685]

I haven't made a video in awhile, but I was wondering if you could help me out. It's addressing the Problem of Pain.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

The Logical Christian That is a good topic. What do you need help with?

[@chaosinorder9685]

Making the video like this one.

[@chaosinorder9685]

And making my answer carefully.

[@mikea8908]

Love it IP. Great work and always praying for you and your ministry.

[@duckymomo7935]

to Bart Ehrman, sorry 2 Pet 1:16, 20 For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@mythbuster1483 And why would anyone trust Huffington post? It's a leftist site, did you know that? It's all propaganda. Dude, you should've learned from 5th grade to not use a subjective source when doing research...

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@mythbuster1483 what guy?

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@mythbuster1483 And when did I ever do that lol. I think you're seeing things man. For a "myth buster" you aren't really that good.

[@marvalice3455]

@@ea-tr1jh all sources have bias.

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

To Professor Lüdemann, what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Doubting Thomas debunks Hallucinations, as well as the Guards @ the tomb.

[@alanndrake2619]

UnexpectedWonder the guards don't debunk anything as they were most likely a literary invention to combat rumors of a stolen body and only appear in one gospel.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@@alanndrake2619 Literary invention. Any proof of that? 🤨🤨

[@alanndrake2619]

UnexpectedWonder perhaps not in the sense you're asking for but then I could ask for proof of Matthew 27:52-53 which you also could not provide.. . My rationale however on this subject is due to the fact that this pretty important detail isn't mentioned in ANY other gospel or the writings of Paul. The passage was most likely inserted to combat rumors of that specific time which had the body being stolen or moved by the disciples or anyone else. And in regards to Thomas ; he as a disciple and follower of Jesus already, could hardly be seen as a true skeptic or a strong piece of evidence in regards to any supposed resurrection.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@@alanndrake2619 Some claim that, but you do realize that each gospel had a different focus and different pieces of info? Paul also focused on doctrine and wasn't an eyewitness. Matthew and John were eyewitnesses. Mark got his info second and third hand. Luke interviewed primary and secondary sources.

[@alanndrake2619]

UnexpectedWonder Paul is the ONLY first hand source to the resurrection we have and his epistles state that he is passing on what he was given so obviously that story wasn't making the rounds then or even during Mark's account, which is rather strange . Matthew and John's accounts were oral tradition passed on many years after the fact, they weren't eyewitnesses who wrote their own gospels. Mark would be more reliable from strictly a time frame standpoint in that it's the first and simplest account lacking great embellishment. .I am also aware that different traditions existed which obviously influenced the various stories hence the fiction of dead saints wandering the town but the idea that the guards at the tomb story in it's entirety and implication would just be left out of every other major gospel and writing makes it look contrived to Matthew alone and it would make sense if rumors were circulating about the body being stolen around 85 CE

[@tadm123]

This hallucination explanation is very weak, they would had to be multi-sensory hallucinations. They believe to had saw him, touched his hands and wounds and even ate fish with him.

[@arthurmorgan3260]

Dee Bunker But we have evidence that the New Testament is reliable... it’s not fiction.

[@arthurmorgan3260]

Dee Bunker Nope. kzbin.info/aero/PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY

[@arthurmorgan3260]

Dee Bunker You can ignore the evidence. I was an atheist two days ago but I became Christian after watching those videos.

[@arthurmorgan3260]

Myth Buster You ignored my evidence... We can discuss faith healing later but you can’t just ignore all of my evidence buddy.

[@realityhits3022]

@@arthurmorgan3260 welcome to the Kingdom family

[@oolooo]

Ehrman started off with a belief that Jesus could not have risen and then made his argument based on what he believed .He did not base his belief on an argument and facts , he based his faulty argument on a belief .He presuposses that there was no Resurrection and then bends over backwards to support it .And he commits so many fallacies .SO MANY .

[@derezzed83]

Awesome video IP. Keep up the great work.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+derezzed83 Thanks man!

[@krltu]

Excellent video ! This series deals a lot with alternate theories, while building a cumulative case as well.

[@thegospelofthegraceofchris7005]

Dr Bart is really ignorant . Im surprised how he got his PHD

[@xxxmmm3812]

lol all sorts of clowns do

[@marvalice3455]

Getting a PhD doesn't mean you are smart, just that you have the stomach for hard work. Anyone with a decent work ethic can get a PhD, while plenty of really smart people can't because of the curse of ADHD

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

He might be a pretty smart guy. But the theory he has on the origin on the resurection is having to rely,and add on many many other presuppositions for it to work. Could it potentially have happened that way?. Sure I suppose so. But the theory isn't based on anything,but the idea that he couldn't have actually resurrected. So it takes that presupposition, and constructs a narrative for how the belief could have raised without it actually happening. Which we call those hypothetical situations. Not something to be touted as a fact, or even a serious theory.

[@JanoAnima]

​@@marvalice3455 True. I've known people from college who were, quite frankly, braindead. Their case is even worse because they used the covid lockdowns to their advantage (cheating on tests was easier). They are now pursuing a masters degree. God have mercy. As for Erthman, I think he's a smart but overrated scholar. He bashes Christianity because he doesn't like it. I used to do the same when I was an atheist. I didn't have good reasons to believe God isn't real, I just despised Christianity.

[@clarodelrosario139]

Ehrman's theory has no basis in scriptures or any independent writings. it'st nothing but a baseless theory. "maybe this happened" is the essence of it all. It flies when one reads the writing of Paul in 1 Cor. 15, "if Christ be not risen we are of all people to be pitied." They labored so much, suffered hardship, insults, persecution even death for the sake of the gospel of the resurrection of Christ. They preached Christ was risen from the dead bodily and literally and not spiritually. They preached Christ has an immortal body after he resurrected. If this is not true then they allow themselves to live a difficult life for the sake of a lie.

[@Dreammaster695]

If they was going to make it up why kill him in the first place? It seems to me a real story based on people searching for the truth and talking to eye witnesses thousands of years ago, obviously it’s not all 100% arcuate but it is as arcuate as any group of people trying to recall events also in Paul’s vision the people with him heard the voice of Jesus but could not see him, how can a group of people hear an hallucination?

[@r5zoeirabr651]

Do you have good reason to believe any of this happened?

[@Dreammaster695]

R5 Zoeira BR yeah I do, I can share some with you “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” Which means without Jesus Christ no one or nothing would exist not you not me not KZbin either it all started with him.. now you ask how I prove these things? By faith and faith alone

[@r5zoeirabr651]

@@Dreammaster695 That's some fluffy bible passages,but I'm interested in actual facts,please?

[@Dreammaster695]

R5 Zoeira BR facts about what? That Jesus is god that he was real? It’s writing in the scriptures he also had many witnesses of him rising from the dead once he died which he had predicted

[@Dreammaster695]

R5 Zoeira BR And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen

[@georgeplimpton9429]

You REALLY like the term - "ad hoc". But great video. Jesus is ALIVE!

[@midimusicforever]

All alternatives to Jesus actually rising from the dead hold up worse than really bad conspiracy theories.

[@easternmcg]

Awesome, IP. Another great video of yours.

[@danlowery8749]

I’m not sure who Ehrman is trying to convince? His audience or himself? His scholarship is terrible

[@P.H.888]

The Joseph Messiah, The Suffering Servant ✝️

[@MuhammadsMohel]

Bart Erhman is an audience plant for Christianity. He's a pro wrestling heel in a sense

[@avigoel321]

I’ve thought the same thing 🤣. His reward in the kingdom will be great, because his arguments have turned many people to the Lord.

[@risafey]

I agree with all that and adore these videos, but I think opponents would bring up that Paul did call himself the worst of sinners 1 Tim 1:15 and: "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Furthmore, Paul said that within him "dwells no good thing." "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord..." Like I said, though, I agree. I just can see opponents taking these Law VS Grace (Judaism VS Christianity) doctrinal statements as evidence of that certain psychological battle that had taken place within. But it still stands that he was "circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless..." - Philippians [ not necessary to continue reading my comment here, but I just like the rest of the Philippians quote (: ] "...But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead."

[@Eman1900O]

I don't understand your point? you're mistaking Paul talking about his past life (worst of sinners verse) and his extreme humility with the assumption that he really sinned like most of us Christians do today...Paul specifically said you must flee from some specific sins in order to be saved. You make him an minister of sin, so that you think grace will abound more.

[@risafey]

+Yipyo1986 I never indicated any of that. You missed the point of what I wrote. I did write, afterall: "I think *OPPONENTS* would bring up...this, this, and this." Where did I indicate that I was one of them or agreed with them? And then I also said: "Like I said, though, I agree. I just can see *OPPONENTS* taking these Law VS Grace (*Judaism VS Christianity*) doctrinal statements as evidence of that certain psychological battle that had taken place within." Where did I ever call him a minister of sin? I would be the first to point out: "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" I left a church because they taught grace borderline to that degree. I always like to anticipate attacks from opponents before they happen (it's how I was brought up to argue/debate), and *that* was the point of my post. Hope that clears things up.

[@risafey]

Joshua Holloway I know...again, I think the point of my comment was missed. x: That wouldn't stop an opponent from possibly trying to argue with it, since they would argue otherwise.

[@cheff007inthekitchen7]

In the island of crete there is a grave on the toom written lazarus dead twice friend of the savier. That is written evidence dead people do rise with the power of Yehovah.

[@saintbrush4398]

Wait. Jesus isn't the only person claimed to be resurrected by Christians. When Jesus resurrects in Matthew, apparently the graves were open and the bodies of the saints resurrected as well. I never hear anything on that part of the Gospels.

[@Elijah-pf9gi]

Is it okay if you can cite that? Haaha thank you. Saints came years after Christ... and Christ died before all the saints... so I dont know how He could ressurect with the saints...

[@saintbrush4398]

@@Elijah-pf9gi Matthew 27:52-53 NKJV 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

[@branver1172]

@@saintbrush4398it seems many of f the same arguments could be used for these resurrections? Is there a reason they couldn’t ?

[@davidclark5618]

Ehrman also fails to understand texts like 2 Maccabees 7. Many righteous people were wrongfully killed. However, that would lead them to believe they would be included in the corporate resurrection after the end of the world. At best, texts like Isaiah 53 would lead them to conclude that Jesus would be resurrected with all the righteous. And there is no connection between the messiah and judgment over living and the dead found in second temple judaism, so its really difficult to see how they would conclude exaltation without a physical resurrection. And no messianic movements around the time of Jesus made the same claim after the death of their would be messiah, and if it was as easy as "go check out Isaiah 53," we'd expect similar claims from those movements.

[@theunlearnedastronomer3205]

There is a 1st century paradigm for the Jesus story, no reason to allude to Greek or Roman stories, and it is in the Bible; this person preached repentance for the kingdom of heaven, was arrested and executed, and was rumored to have returned from the dead: John the Baptist. As Hitchens quipped, resurrection seems to have been a banality at the time.

[@robindean5261]

I'm supposed to listen to someone named"Bart"

[@adrianabonitaaziz7393]

He spended his life studying the bible , while you spend your time on you tube . A smart person , don't make such stupid outrageous comment . Belive me, the Talmud insults Jesus , Mr Bart is only telling the truth about Jesus . Trouble is most of you hates the truth .

[@ea-tr1jh]

I'm a Christian, but is just an ad hominem fallacy, hardly an argument.

[@christianf5131]

Curious what your thoughts are on Fatima, Lourdes?

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Bart erhaman is literally right there 🤦‍♂️ Ridiculous thats litterally the story of the apostles Peter denied him three times. I wonder if mary knew( i believe she proly did. ) But seriously 😐 😒 🙄 😑 😕 😂 bart on this it seems unr a fool. And then plane crash down. Thinking it didnt immediately get circulated. They didnt know before he was crucified

[@butterlesstoast97]

I thought you were a philosophy channel but you’re very biased.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

What a biased thing to say

[@diegotobaski9801]

@@InspiringPhilosophy 🤣🤣🤣

[@P.H.888]

Love of wisdom = YHVH. 🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏🏿 You can call that bias, but it’s A Family thing

[@ea-tr1jh]

This statement doesn't even make sense.

[@ob4161]

Do Carrier's theory.

[@adrianabonitaaziz7393]

He Is a genius , most people are stupid , how can they recognise a genius when they meet one ?? Because the genius can see what blind sheeple eyes can't .

[@fredsalfa]

I started laughing when I heard Ludemans theories. They sounded like nothing more than unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

[@r5zoeirabr651]

You presented false evidence for the martyrs,the bible is not a reliable source,the James Josephus mentions is the brother of the high priest!

[@ea-tr1jh]

He already made his case for why the Biblr is not a reluable source. And why woukd you think the James Josephus mentions is the brother of the High Priest?

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

Read HistoryForAtheists and Tektonics on Josephus’s reliability.

[@Silver77cyn]

There is nothing to theorize here, over something that isn’t possible in the first place.

[@danilogallardo6806]

Why must you read that fast?

[@MrEman601]

jesus does not look like that

[@thenopasslook]

Who cares? He still rose from the dead

[@thenopasslook]

No Fascist Ideologies Repent and believe the Gospel. You will regret it for an eternity if you don't.

[@davidtakyi14]

This question defeats Luderman's theory for good If Peter was hallucinating Jesus how did he convince Thomas?

[@bonnie43uk]

Hi IP, just clicking on your info bar, I noticed it says "If you are caught excessively commenting .. then your comment will be removed" ? I'm a little perplexed by that statement?, I've never come across a ban of people who make too many comments! surely if a person isn't being abusive and is merely having a healthy debate with another user then that's absolutely fine. To say "if you are caught", gives the impression it's some kind of crime? So if 2 Christians are having a healthy conversation concerning the issues raised in this video they will have their comments removed? The Tekton video you've linked doesn't address that issue.

[@NineZeroEightThree]

+bonnie43uk Maybe he means spamming? Some people do that

[@bonnie43uk]

FT Absolutely, but then why not just type 'no spamming' so we'd all be clear as to what he meant. "If you are caught excessively commenting" sounds quite authoritarian and gives the impression it's wrong to do so. What's the issue with people having a lengthy conversation in the comment section?, KZbin automatically condenses the replies within comments so a person doesn't have to scroll through lots of comments they don't want to read. Surely healthy dialogue is good.

[@jelloladyful]

+FT EVERYONE DON'T FEED THE TROLL

[@bonnie43uk]

Rolo Baez Rolo, if you think I'm a troll you need to look up the definition my friend.

[@bonnie43uk]

Sean Armstrong i'd like to think so Sean, it was just an unusual phrase to use.

[@NilceLima-s7d]

I and Casca De Bala

[@whitewind2557]

You may read the "Present," a short text for free on the Global Truth Project. The book is about the truth of life and it shows the full picture of life for the first time so that you may stop being deceived by the world and be able to follow the steps of Jesus.A life-changer!

[@HegelsOwl]

You haven't even done basic homework, IP. You forget the leading theory--Crossan's. This is the only actual resurrection hypothesis there is, because it answers the question of an actual anomaly for Science--Christianity's centuries-long suicide cult.

[@sergeysmirnov5986]

What does Crossan say?

[@lloydmunga4961]

Keep on with your good work .... why would you want to point something out to someone who has no eyes? They can't see what you're pointing at anyway ....

[@vchanlafah]

Thanks!

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Thank you for the donation.

[@toahordika6]

Who would have made up the belief that women found the empty tomb? Women might have.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+toahordika6 Too bad they were not the writers though.

[@toahordika6]

***** Women may have come up with the idea, it became an idea in the Christian community, and then "Mark" wrote it down because he thought it was true.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

toahordika6 Why would the men believe it without checking the tomb themselves?

[@toahordika6]

***** Because they wrote it far later. Also, there probably was no tomb. Crucifixion victims were usually refused burial.

[@toahordika6]

***** Also, Mark probably wasn't living in Judea and couldn't have checked the tomb.

[@chosenskeptic5319]

Mark is as close to the truth you will ever get about the empty tomb and resurrection of Jesus. Anything else is special pleading 🥺. As for the epistemology of the four Paul’s are witnesses to their own claims in Acts and the Pauline Epistles. Vision or dilution, I don’t know 🤔 and won’t pretend to know the answer.

[@xxxmmm3812]

good that youre not a measure of all things and that youre opinion means nothing

[@chosenskeptic5319]

Your completely wrong

[@zaceishen7974]

Issaiah 53 begs to differ, bart

[@kristoferkey3161]

The problem here is that there is not a lot to explain. The text of 1st Corinthians 15 discussed Jesus being resurrected into a spirit body. You have a claim of 500 people, you do not have 500 witnesses. The empty tomb has the wrong type of stone being used and therefore the account is not historical. Neither Roman or Jewish law would have allowed for Jesus to have an honorable burial The argument from the women visiting the empty tomb is simply not compelling as they would have been the ones who should have visited the tomb because women handled bodies. This was not considered embarrassing. Leon Festinger in his 1957 book When Prophecy Fails documents how when religious movements face failure and falsification the core leadership far from abandoning the movement becomes even more committed. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails) You can see examples of this in the Sevi Movement, Millerites, UFO movements and more recently the Branch Davidians. So we would expect the Apostles to become more fervent not less. At most you have an odd situation like Paul but in the end someone converted. Big deal.

[@anneg1468]

Hi. I am looking for an answer to this..What is that " strong delusion that many would believe the lie" mentioned in the Bible. What is that lie? Thanks in advance 😊

[@xxxmmm3812]

are you joking? nobody knows obviously lol

[@tinttiakka2028]

@@anahata3478 ?

[@johnny5cents281]

One question I have about the argument that there was nothing in Jewish culture that would have convinced the disciples to interpret their "visions" as a bodily resurrection is that it is possible that they interpreted their visions as such because Christ predicted he would be raised bodily 3 days after his death. It does say that the disciples were ultimately confused by these predictions but doesn't it open the door to the fact that they could have projected this framework received from Christ onto their visions since they were at least familiar with it?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

It seems an odd thing to project. Why not project he rose to heaven, or project a resuscitation? And why claim you did not see it coming and make yourself look stupid to the very people you are trying to convince you are a trustworthy witness?

[@nickstroligo5676]

Also another thing is that it just begs the question as to why they would suddenly understand his predictions after bereavement hallucinations as they in the ancient world serve as a confirmation of death and most commonly interpreted as nephesh or disembodied spirits of the dead Also due to their lack of understanding it would take a pretty strong vision (killing the prior probability and killing parsimony) to convince them somthing completely out of the range of orthodoxy as they seemed confused as to what he even ment by raised also what would be the reason for rejecting the fact that they had completely not understood his predictions

[@ghelatissimo]

i d e n t ii t y .. classified still ..

[@cmk5724]

Are you a preterist?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yes

[@cmk5724]

InspiringPhilosophy Okay.

[@tedbishop]

No one ever came back from death. The entire story is total BS.

[@ramoncales1210]

Ted Bishop The evidence says otherwise.

[@tedbishop]

@@ramoncales1210 The religious nut cases have fabricated all that evidence. Every word coming from any religion is a total lie.

[@pJ005-k9i]

@@tedbishop so, you got nothing other than lies?

[@tedbishop]

@Rebecca Clements Without the physical form there is no eyes, ears, vocal cords, limbs or brain, so no contact or communication with the living can occur. The entire story is a fairy tale.

[@tedbishop]

@Rebecca Clements They are all done by physical parts. Thoughts, feelings and emotions are all functions of living brain cells. When the brain cells die, everything stored in them disappears.

[@KTChamberlain]

Bart Erhman: the one Bart you'd probably imagine Homer Simpson strangling for spewing such shit.

[@deborahruthtrotter2154]

Ludemann sounds out to lunch.

[@alanndrake2619]

Deborah Ruth Trotter I guarantee that he's forgotten more about this topic than you will every know.🙄

[@deborahruthtrotter2154]

@@alanndrake2619 Or he is just plain out to lunch.

[@deborahruthtrotter2154]

@@alanndrake2619 He comes across as an arrogant individual who simply exalts his on speculations and claims them to be true. Just because someone imagines something doesn't make it so.

[@alanndrake2619]

Deborah Ruth Trotter I've watched Ludemman numerous times and never has he come across as arrogant and historians speculate. Craig does it, Licona, Habemas, Ehrman. ALL of them.

[@alanndrake2619]

Deborah Ruth Trotter the same could be said about William Lan Craig in nearly ALL his debates. Condescending almost if one doesn't reach a conclusion that it ( the resurrection)MUST be true or God MUST exist.

[@kylealandercivilianname2954]

IP what is your Christian denomination?

[@InspiringTheology14]

He's non denominational.

[@kylealandercivilianname2954]

+Inspiring Theology well that's good because I'm non denominational too :)

[@InspiringTheology14]

So am I. Denominational labels more than anything causes division So I avoid them.

[@kylealandercivilianname2954]

+Inspiring Theology same with me

[@the7thage576]

Amen. We are all sheep of one fold

[@MatrixMaster777]

The Problem Is Good Friday, Because If The Tomb Was Empty On Sunday Morning Then Wednesday = Three Days Earlier^^

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

That is misunderstanding the Jewish context: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGWagaZ3hLtqmNk

[@lease2coach170]

Resurrection? Okay, for discussion’s sake I’m willing to posit that JC died and returned to life. No tricks, no coma or catatonia: he was straight-up _dead_, then lived again. Hey, why not-according to the Bible, there was a lot of that going on then (Mat 27:52-53)! All of which proves…what? That JC was very special or very lucky? Yes, for sure! That there is a “god” that created the universe--a universe with _more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of Earth_? That JC was a son of that being? Oh, and somehow also that “deity” himself? No, there is no logical step by which those conclusions automatically follow. And in any case: If you want to convince people that there's a supernatural being operating in the universe nowadays--occasionally breaking the laws of physics (to work miracles), and requiring worship and obedience--you're going to have to give some _current_ evidence for it. JC's (alleged) resurrection, two thousand years ago, doesn't qualify.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+lease2coach1 First of all, no one is breaking the laws of physics: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJm0cpxmqpqFqZI Second, I gave plenty of of evidence in conjunction with this argument: www.inspiringphilosophy.org/arguments-for-gods-existence/

[@xxxmmm3812]

@Rebecca Clements you have got to be kidding right?

[@MrEman601]

ceaser borgia look it up

[@P.H.888]

😂

[@senorpoopEhead]

"It simply could not have come from their culture." 5:24 The idea of resurrection was unknown to ancient Hebrews or the Greek writers of the New Testament? Why do you only focus on the Old Testament as a source of information?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

+Gen Meow I do not, see part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpWsfmuHpKlri6c

[@senorpoopEhead]

***** How many other resurrections are in the Bible alone? And your look at resurrection in pagan religions seems limited at best. What about near-east religions and myth?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Gen Meow None. Again, see part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpWsfmuHpKlri6c People are only resuscitated. For ancient jews, resurrection meant coming back in a glorified body to never die again.

[@senorpoopEhead]

***** Your definition seems a convenience that all scholars do not share.

[@senorpoopEhead]

***** How is what the Jews believed, alone, convincing without considering other religions in the same area as well as prior and coinciding neighboring cultures?